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Mr. Laz
04-29-2007, 11:35 AM
we have no intentions of releasing Trent Green. He's healthy and ready to go.

~Carl Peterson
just now on ESPN

"If Randy Moss is worth a 4th then Trent Green is worth more than that. Miami needs to suck it up and get the deal done"

~Mark May


"Miami and KC have not talked in two days"

~sal palanatonio

Count Alex's Losses
04-29-2007, 11:36 AM
REPOST

Mr. Laz
04-29-2007, 11:37 AM
REPOST
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Mr. Laz
04-29-2007, 11:37 AM
"Miami and KC have not talked in two days"

~sal palanatonio

percysnow
04-29-2007, 11:38 AM
good I think we need to have trent this year. . it will make it a competive atmosphere for QB spot. . .and we'll get the best of whichever of our guy decides to step up

chagrin
04-29-2007, 11:38 AM
So far you are the only one who has posted anything other than "he's on espn" I appreciate it.

melbar
04-29-2007, 11:39 AM
Trent has attended every offseason meeting and is ready to be the QB per CP.

Mr. Laz
04-29-2007, 11:41 AM
"If Randy Moss is worth a 4th then Trent Green is worth more than that. Miami needs to suck it up and get the deal done"

~Mark May

Direckshun
04-29-2007, 11:41 AM
If we start Trent this season, we stunt Croyle and hurt our chances in 2008 and 2009.

beer bacon
04-29-2007, 11:43 AM
"If Randy Moss is worth a 4th then Trent Green is worth more than that. Miami needs to suck it up and get the deal done"

~Mark May

If Trent was worth a 4th in this year's draft, then he is worth a third in next year's.

luv
04-29-2007, 11:44 AM
If Trent was worth a 4th in this year's draft, then he is worth a third in next year's.
How do you figure? He'll be another year older?

beer bacon
04-29-2007, 11:46 AM
How do you figure? He'll be another year older?

I don't mean if we trade him next year. I mean if we traded him today, but for a pick in next year's draft.

Mecca
04-29-2007, 11:46 AM
"If Randy Moss is worth a 4th then Trent Green is worth more than that. Miami needs to suck it up and get the deal done"

~Mark May

Mark May also said Amobi Okoye sucks.......

luv
04-29-2007, 11:46 AM
I don't mean if we trade him next year. I mean if we traded him today, but for a pick in next year's draft.
Ah. Gotcha.

Mr. Laz
04-29-2007, 11:48 AM
How do you figure? He'll be another year older?
i think he means the value a trade pick declines by 1 round each year that team is delayed in receiving the pick.

ie

if we trade Green for a 4th this year has the same value is if we trade Green now for a 3rd pick we'll get next year.

chiefsfan1963
04-29-2007, 12:56 PM
I saw this as well, and I tend to agree. We should get a minimum of a 3rd next year for Trent. Perhaps CP is bluffing here, but if we have cap room and Trent is performing like he did before his injury then I say he should start, damon backs him up, and Croyle is our third qb. In fact as I write this a 2nd next year is looking more like it for Trent.

BWillie
04-29-2007, 01:00 PM
At this point, I would be thrilled if we got a 7th round out of Trent Green. Why would we re-sign Huard for good money, and keep Trent Green? It just doesn't make since if we have Croyle, Green, and Huard on the roster the first day.

milkman
04-29-2007, 01:22 PM
At this point, I would be thrilled if we got a 7th round out of Trent Green. Why would we re-sign Huard for good money, and keep Trent Green? It just doesn't make since if we have Croyle, Green, and Huard on the roster the first day.

I don't remember the numbers, but Huard signed a contract that pays him exactly what you would expect for an experienced backup.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 01:26 PM
At this point, I would be thrilled if we got a 7th round out of Trent Green. Why would we re-sign Huard for good money, and keep Trent Green? It just doesn't make since if we have Croyle, Green, and Huard on the roster the first day.

We re-signed Huard for $7.5M over 3 years. That's not good money, that's backup money.

keg in kc
04-29-2007, 01:28 PM
Good. We're not a charity. It's not about helping Miami or Green. If they want him, make them pay. If they don't, let him compete for the job.

Mojo Rising
04-29-2007, 01:32 PM
At this point, I would be thrilled if we got a 7th round out of Trent Green. Why would we re-sign Huard for good money, and keep Trent Green? It just doesn't make since if we have Croyle, Green, and Huard on the roster the first day.

Croyle was plagued with injuries in college and was was horrible in his appearance last year.

Huard has had 2 successful short-term fill-in performances in his long journeyman career.

Why wouldn't you want to keep Green? We have a bad line so the QB is likely to go down at some point. We have the cap room and I have not heard of a free agent DT, WR or RT that we are targeting with that cash.

If we cut Green then Carl and the Hunt family has a better profit margin. How are us fans better off?

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 01:42 PM
Croyle was plagued with injuries in college and was was horrible in his appearance last year.

Huard has had 2 successful short-term fill-in performances in his long journeyman career.

Why wouldn't you want to keep Green? We have a bad line so the QB is likely to go down at some point. We have the cap room and I have not heard of a free agent DT, WR or RT that we are targeting with that cash.

If we cut Green then Carl and the Hunt family has a better profit margin. How are us fans better off?

Un-****ing-believable.

If we keep Green, Carl is band-aiding and only interested in filling the seats.

If we cut Green, Carl is doing it to save money.

This place has lost it's burst.

Mojo Rising
04-29-2007, 02:01 PM
I never said that Carl is keeping Green to fill seats.

Would you rather roll into River Falls at the cap with Green in case Croyle isn't the answer or gets injured again?

Or, go into camp $7m under the cap with Croyle, Huard and (insert QB name here that can't get a job elsewhere)?

CupidStunt
04-29-2007, 02:03 PM
Good job it doesn't.

KCBOSS1
04-29-2007, 02:14 PM
Un-****ing-believable.

If we keep Green, Carl is band-aiding and only interested in filling the seats.

If we cut Green, Carl is doing it to save money.

This place has lost it's burst.


Oh, that's right...forget the fact that over the last 5 years, Trent has been the second most prolific passer in the NFL. Come on. He still has failed in a healthy year, even if he is 37. Brodie Croyle could use his mentoring, in fact, there's not a better mentor. It could be a really good situation. But I think that we have burned our bridge with Trent and I certainly don't blame him.

:banghead:

KCBOSS1
04-29-2007, 02:15 PM
sorry, mistype. He still has NOT failed in a healthy year.

el borracho
04-29-2007, 02:18 PM
Why would Trent be unhappy with the Chiefs? Carl spoke with Trent and told him he could seek a trade if he wanted. Carl actually gave him a choice: seek a trade or compete for the job. Trent chose to seek a trade and it didn't work out. How does that make Carl a bad guy?

suds79
04-29-2007, 02:19 PM
we have no intentions of releasing Trent Green. He's healthy and ready to go.

~Carl Peterson
just now on ESPN

"If Randy Moss is worth a 4th then Trent Green is worth more than that. Miami needs to suck it up and get the deal done"

~Mark May


"Miami and KC have not talked in two days"

~sal palanatonio

Yeah I'm calling Bulls#!t on that one.

No buying that he'll be on this team for one second... That's just some gamesmanship by Carl.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 02:24 PM
Oh, that's right...forget the fact that over the last 5 years, Trent has been the second most prolific passer in the NFL. Come on. He still has failed in a healthy year, even if he is 37. Brodie Croyle could use his mentoring, in fact, there's not a better mentor. It could be a really good situation. But I think that we have burned our bridge with Trent and I certainly don't blame him.

:banghead:

You missed my point.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 02:25 PM
I never said that Carl is keeping Green to fill seats.

Would you rather roll into River Falls at the cap with Green in case Croyle isn't the answer or gets injured again?

Or, go into camp $7m under the cap with Croyle, Huard and (insert QB name here that can't get a job elsewhere)?

If it isn't a move to fill the seats, what is it?

This team isn't a contender. There's ALOT of building yet to do.

If we start Green or Huard, Carl is basically admitting that he's not willing to do what it takes. Instead he'd rather prop up ticket sales with another 8-8 campaign.

Mojo Rising
04-29-2007, 02:52 PM
They are not going to keep him. I wish they would. I agree that we are in a rebuilding mode. How is reducing the payroll helping us rebuild?

Is there a RT, DT or WR that we will go for? Are we bidding against the Niners for Darrell Jackson? Joe Horn?

If they will reduce beer prices and Sunday Ticket by 7.5% then I am all for cutting him. However, they wont.

So, what do I have to gain by hoping they cut him? Nothing.

Do you remember '03 when we spread Trent and Priests signing bonuses over 2 years so we couldn't get the defensive help we needed in '04?

Why do we complain that Denver is always cheating the cap by spending too much money? Why don't we?

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 02:56 PM
So, what do I have to gain by hoping they cut him?

Are you going to have him be the backup? We already signed Huard for that.

This is the year, when we still have a few holes, to let Croyle get the kinks out.

This team is about a run in 2008, and Trent Green isn't going to be part of that.

Mecca
04-29-2007, 02:58 PM
Are you going to have him be the backup? We already signed Huard for that.

This is the year, when we still have a few holes, to let Croyle get the kinks out.

This team is about a run in 2008, and Trent Green isn't going to be part of that.

That's how I feel. I'd much rather see what Croyle is than watch Trent trot out there for another year.

Mojo Rising
04-29-2007, 03:01 PM
So is Croyle going to better by beating Green for the job or being handed it?

We do have holes to fill. I have not seen one report that indicated that we are going to use the $7.5 m fill them. How are we going to use the $7.5 m to fill them?

Count Alex's Losses
04-29-2007, 03:01 PM
You folks are vastly underestimating Trent Green. With an improved offensive line and a new WR I think he could do some great things - especially with what looks to be a very good defense.

RedThat
04-29-2007, 03:02 PM
Well, I am not exactly sure what to think of this?

But I will say that in the end, Miami had all the leverage on us.

Now if we cut Trent, I really don't know what to say?

*Because the way I look at it is, Why trade Trent for a 6th when he is worth more than a 6th? Also, why let him go for free knowing you could of got the least amount for him? Now if you cut him you get nothing in return for him.

We were stuck in a no-win situation and Miami got us where they wanted us.

Mecca
04-29-2007, 03:03 PM
Lets run Green back out there and a year later.....be in the exact same spot.

Count Alex's Losses
04-29-2007, 03:03 PM
That's a friggin joke, RedBull. Miami is shooting themselves in the foot.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 03:05 PM
So is Croyle going to better by beating Green for the job or being handed it?

We do have holes to fill. I have not seen one report that indicated that we are going to use the $7.5 m fill them. How are we going to use the $7.5 m to fill them?

Croyle will get better by beating either Huard or Green for the job. We can't afford to spend $7.5M worth of cap for that.

el borracho
04-29-2007, 03:08 PM
Well, I wouldn't be so quick to congratulate Miami. They passed on Brady Quinn to get Ginn, Jr. (who they easily could have picked 10 spots later). They now have a broken Culpepper, Cleo Lemon who excites noone and John Beck. They are really going to struggle this year.

Mecca
04-29-2007, 03:08 PM
Green isn't worth 7 million dollars.........not now not after last year.

tonyetony
04-29-2007, 03:12 PM
We're not going to cut him. Miami will end up coughing up some decent 2008 picks sometime in the next month or so. Does anyone know the date for Miami's offseason or mini that Culpepper won't attend?

RedThat
04-29-2007, 03:17 PM
That's a friggin joke, RedBull. Miami is shooting themselves in the foot.

How do you figure?

They never budged. They drafted a QB in the 2nd round and also have another QB in Cleo Lemon. That's 2 young guys right there. Say one of those guys becomes good? Say we release Green for nothing and they get him? Are you gonna say they shot themselves in the foot?

OnTheWarpath58
04-29-2007, 03:18 PM
We're not going to cut him. Miami will end up coughing up some decent 2008 picks sometime in the next month or so. Does anyone know the date for Miami's offseason or mini that Culpepper won't attend?

Late next week, IIRC.

KCBOSS1
04-29-2007, 03:22 PM
You folks are vastly underestimating Trent Green. With an improved offensive line and a new WR I think he could do some great things - especially with what looks to be a very good defense.


Point of the Day! VG

KCBOSS1
04-29-2007, 03:24 PM
Everybody is talking about rebuilding as if there is no chance that we could have a great year. Think about the Saints last year.

A friend of mine that is also on the planet was reminding me the other day of a year when like 17 of our starters were new and we went to the playoffs that year. Like I said, It won't hurt Brodie to sit another year and learn. Trent is still our best quarterback in my opinion.

Count Alex's Losses
04-29-2007, 03:24 PM
How do you figure?

They never budged. They drafted a QB in the 2nd round and also have another QB in Cleo Lemon. That's 2 young guys right there. Say one of those guys becomes good? Say we release Green for nothing and they get him? Are you gonna say they shot themselves in the foot?

Haha. Start one of those guys and go 1-15 then.

Mecca
04-29-2007, 03:26 PM
Yea I'm sure we're on par with those top AFC teams...

mdstu
04-29-2007, 03:28 PM
Are you going to have him be the backup? We already signed Huard for that.

This is the year, when we still have a few holes, to let Croyle get the kinks out.

This team is about a run in 2008, and Trent Green isn't going to be part of that.

Are you saying that we will get 2008 picks for him or that we will just cut him and get nothing. And if the latter, Why didn't we take the 6th rounder from Miami?

KCBOSS1
04-29-2007, 03:43 PM
I will always contend for Trent and I know that I'm biased. But I do have to say that if in Trent and Carl's mind, this is totally over, we should at least get something out of it. If that is the case, Carl really did crap in his hat in this whole deal.

RedThat
04-29-2007, 03:44 PM
Haha. Start one of those guys and go 1-15 then.

Man you're talking like a homer. Call me when Miami goes 1-15 :rolleyes:

chiefsfan1963
04-29-2007, 04:06 PM
We're not going to cut him. Miami will end up coughing up some decent 2008 picks sometime in the next month or so. Does anyone know the date for Miami's offseason or mini that Culpepper won't attend?

I think so as well. A 3rd rounder next year at least. If not I hope Trent starts here in KC.

mcan
04-29-2007, 04:08 PM
I think so as well. A 3rd rounder next year at least. If not I hope Trent starts here in KC.


I would be BESIDE myself if Trent came back and kept playing. I think he's heads and shoulders above any quarterback on our roster and deserves to play his career out right here, for better or worse.


He's the best QB we've had since Joe Montana and frankly he deserves better than to be shipped off.

Mr. Laz
04-29-2007, 04:11 PM
keep Green unless somebody makes a legit offer.


and i mean keep him for the entire year


let him compete for the starting spot.

Mojo Rising
04-29-2007, 05:28 PM
Croyle will get better by beating either Huard or Green for the job. We can't afford to spend $7.5M worth of cap for that.

I would agree with you if we would spend the money elsewhere but we won't. So, it comes down to the Hunts having an extra $7m or the Chiefs contending this year.

If we have holes to fill a 6th round pick isn't going to do the trick.

Is there an FA out there that you have your eyes on that we could sign instead of keeping Green?

Fruit Ninja
04-29-2007, 05:30 PM
Yea I'm sure we're on par with those top AFC teams...
Dont have to be on Par not always the best team wins it all. We just have to get hot at the right time. Not saying the Chiefs will win it all. I know they wont, but anything can happen if your defense shows up.

Fruit Ninja
04-29-2007, 05:31 PM
keep Green unless somebody makes a legit offer.


and i mean keep him for the entire year


let him compete for the starting spot.I agree with you. **** Miami, let them start Cleo Lemon or a rookie reach.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 05:36 PM
I would agree with you if we would spend the money elsewhere but we won't. So, it comes down to the Hunts having an extra $7m or the Chiefs contending this year.

If we have holes to fill a 6th round pick isn't going to do the trick.

Is there an FA out there that you have your eyes on that we could sign instead of keeping Green?

I still can't believe people are hanging onto this.

The Chiefs aren't going to contend, with or without Green.

BigRock
04-29-2007, 05:46 PM
I still can't believe people are hanging onto this.

The Chiefs aren't going to contend, with or without Green.
Why are you so sour on this season? The defense should only be getting better and we have one of the best running backs in the league. I'm cautiously upbeat about the WR core for the first time in forever. If the offensive line can hold up and protect whoever's back there, barring Croyle being a bust if he's the starter, we could be in the wildcard mix.

baitism
04-29-2007, 06:13 PM
I still can't believe people are hanging onto this.

The Chiefs aren't going to contend, with or without Green.


Agreed, not with a couple of geriatric starting CB's

el borracho
04-29-2007, 06:18 PM
He's the best QB we've had since Joe Montana and frankly he deserves better than to be shipped off.
The Chiefs did not ship him off. They told him that there would be competition for the job in 2007 and allowed him to seek a trade. Trent's choice to seek a trade; Carl has said all along that he wasn't eager to get rid of Trent.

Sure-Oz
04-29-2007, 06:19 PM
Anyone think we will actually ship Trent off for a player or picks next year? Or ge cut

el borracho
04-29-2007, 06:20 PM
Why are you so sour on this season? The defense should only be getting better and we have one of the best running backs in the league. I'm cautiously upbeat about the WR core for the first time in forever. If the offensive line can hold up and protect whoever's back there, barring Croyle being a bust if he's the starter, we could be in the wildcard mix.
Well, I don't want to piss on your parade but our Oline is terrible. No matter what system you run it is hard to win games with a subpar Oline. The Chiefs will struggle this year.

BigMeatballDave
04-29-2007, 06:40 PM
If we keep Trent after all this shit, I will be furious! I want Croyle to start. I want to see what this kid has. For once in my life I would like to see a young QB under center for the Chiefs. Carl is a ****ing assbag if he goes through with this...

BigMeatballDave
04-29-2007, 06:45 PM
Croyle was horrible in his appearance last year.

WTF do you expect? He was a rookie. When he plays this season, he will suck, too. Rome wasn't built in a day, dipshit. You know nothing. Go follow soccer...

Mojo Rising
04-29-2007, 06:59 PM
I expect him to not hit the Steeler CB between the numbers. The expectation of how a rookie QB should perform was on the Steeler sideline, dipshit.

Brittle Croyle is injury prone. Plus, his performance is an unknown at this point.

Why are you so concerned about the profit margin at 1 Arrowhead?

BigMeatballDave
04-29-2007, 07:20 PM
I still can't believe people are hanging onto this.

The Chiefs aren't going to contend, with or without Green.These folks need to stop watching football, 'cause they just don't get it...
:shake:

BigMeatballDave
04-29-2007, 07:24 PM
Why are you so concerned about the profit margin at 1 Arrowhead?Why do you wanna keep playing old players? I want this team to get much younger, yesterday.

Mojo Rising
04-29-2007, 08:07 PM
I posted earlier that Croyle would be better by winning the job from Green. I think the job should be open for the best man to win.

You are the one who should be watching Soccer this season. It seems like you think our only chance to win is after next years draft.

2 choices

A. Green, Croyle, Huard (-$7m for the Hunts)
B. Croyle, Huard, Aaron Brooks (who else is out there? +$7m for the Hunts...none for me.)

Isn't there a Soccer team in Colombus?