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Mecca
04-30-2007, 08:58 AM
From Fox Sports

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Czar's breakdown: The Chiefs went for a physical receiver in LSU's Dwayne Bowe over the much faster Robert Meachem. Bowe disappeared during the Senior Bowl although he was JaMarcus Russell's favorite receiver. Tennessee DT Turk McBride only started 17 games in his four-year and seemed to be a reach with the 54th overall pick. McBride, though, can be used anywhere along the defensive line. They took UCLA PK Justin Medlock in the fifth round and he converted six field goals of 50 yards or more. Louisville RB Kolby Smith gained 5.7 yards a carry, starting for the injured Michael Bush. Smith appears to be a solid third-down back because he has great hands. The Chiefs took the best defensive tackle left on their board with the 82nd overall pick in North Carolina State's DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler. They didn't trade QB Trent Green and probably will be forced to release him prior to training camp.

Grade: C-

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6746812

The Fanhouse at AOL Sports

Kansas City Grade: B. The Chiefs had needs at wideout and offensive line. They were 1-for-2 ... and Larry Johnson should be very, very worried.

http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/04/29/20...west-afc-south/




Another AOL site
Kansas City : Grade B-minus – Dwayne Bowe, the Chiefs hope, will give them something they have been missing - a true, go-to wide receiver. The defensive players Kansas City had targeted all were gone when they picked in the first round, but the Chiefs still added a pair of defensive tackles after the first round, getting both quickness (Turk McBride) and bulk (DeMarcus Tyler). Bowe should be a good fit in Kansas City, diverting attention from tight end Tony Gonzalez and also opening some running room for Larry Johnson .

http://sports.aol.com/nfl/story/_a/browns-...429193709990001


This last one is kinda different you could say....

Chiefs’ Draft Report Card: Blah-Plus
By Jon Yoon | April 29th, 2007

Now comes that critical moment when every writer and blogger grades the Chiefs’ draft. Of course, my grade doesn’t mean anything. I don’t think Carl Peterson is going to go home and show this report card to his parents any time soon (or ever). Don’t worry, Carl. I’m pretty happy with your draft this year.

I gave the Chiefs a B+. More appropriately, it should be graded as “Blah-Plus.” The Chiefs didn’t do anything dazzling this year. Out of the entire draft, you’d expect two of the Chiefs to be starters on day 1: Dwayne Bowe and Justin Medlock. That’s not even fair, because Medlock is a kicker, which I don’t think can be graded by the same standards as other players (if you’re a punter or a kicker and you are drafted high, you will start right away). Arguably, Tank Tyler has potential to be a terrific starting tackle in this league, so he could represent a third starter to come from this draft.

The rest of the draft was “blah.” Maybe that’s a good thing. Why are people so obsessed with drafting players that are going to start right away? Or start at all? It’s amazing how many people think the Chiefs could have gone out and picked up a cornerback in the 2nd or 3rd round that was a guarantee to be the “cornerback of the future.” Folks, there is a lot of value in a player like Turk McBride, even if he contributes in a backup role. While I’m not wowed by the McBride pick, I look at this way: McBride will play. He will contribute. I don’t know if he has the upside to be a pro bowl starter, but I do believe he has the tools to be a productive rotational player, much like Chris Kelsay is for the Bills. He’s almost guaranteed to be a starting tackle in the nickel defense. He can wear a lot of hats for the team. He can be a situational run stuffer, perhaps taking Allen off the field on running downs. He will definitely be a guy who goes right after blockers and hits them in the mouth. I see him as a guy who comes in and brings his motor to wear down the offense. The hope is that he can make Hali and Allen look that much fresher.

Same deal with Kolby Smith. He’s obviously not going to be a starter over LJ. Few project him to even be a quality starter in this game. But he’ll be terrific as a rotational backup that can take some carries away from LJ and even serve as a valuable pass blocker or receiver. He reminds me a lot of Derrick Blaylock who may not have been good enough to be a starting running back, but man, I always thought he was extremely valuable to the Chiefs as a #2 back.

As for the other picks, I’ve already mentioned that I love the Dwayne Bowe pick. Justin Medlock is a surefire starter, but that was a pretty low-risk pick. Herb Taylor and Michael Allan are exactly what you would hope for in the very late rounds: they were the best available players on the board. They could turn out to be Jarrad Page but, more than likely, they’re camp fodder. Not a big deal if either of the two gets cut. As for Tank Tyler, he’s got tremendous upside, but the good news is, it’s hard for him to be any worse than the Chiefs’ current starting tackles and, at the very least, he can be a rotational guy. The great thing about defensive linemen is, even bad linemen can contribute to a team merely by being a body to rest a tired starter.

I know there will be experts and analysts out there who will grade the Chiefs poorly for this draft. They’ll rant and rave about how the Chiefs were stupid not to take an offensive linemen or a cornerback in the draft. Frankly, I don’t understand the logic. The Chiefs had needs all across the board. They couldn’t afford to be picky. This was a draft for the Chiefs where it made the most sense to pick the best available player at most positions. Can anyone really argue that the Chiefs need to improve their consistency in the pass rush? Can anyone really, truly say that the Chiefs were strong at the tackle position? I love it when analysts and experts harp on and on about one absolute need that a team must fill, and if a team doesn’t fill that need, it’s a lousy pick. Larry Johnson and Tamba Hali were lousy picks, in analysts’ minds, because they weren’t wide receivers. Funny, because the Chiefs probably aren’t regretting right now passing up on Rashaun Woods or Chad Jackson right now.

Nobody will talk about this draft, because it was very blah. But that doesn’t mean it was a bad draft. I’m glad to see the Chiefs are looking to add contributors to the team, rather than looking for the next big superstar with “upside” (ahem, Junior Siavii). I’m glad that the Chiefs are just as happy to add a valuable role contributor like McBride or, last year, Pollard, rather than attempting to find a starter with every first day pick (ahem, Eric Downing). Ever since Lynn Stiles left the Chiefs’ War Room and Bill Kuharich began taking a more leading role in personnel decisions, I’m seeing the Chiefs’ draft strategy shift their focus on adding quality contributors rather than superstars. That’s an approach Philly and New England usually take every year, and I think it’s worked out pretty good for them.

Every one of the Chiefs’ picks in the first five rounds is going to play a valuable role for the Chiefs in 2008. Fans don’t have to worry about them being developmental picks, or backups who may never see the field. They’ll play. They’ll contribute. Every one of them. And so, once you get past all the blah, you’ll come to realize that the Chiefs are a much better football team after the 2008 draft. For that, they deserve a B+.

TrickyNicky
04-30-2007, 09:05 AM
Sound logic on the last one.

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 09:06 AM
Jon Yoon, whoever he is, gets it.

Hit the nail right on the head with McBride.

Not fretting over not drafting a CB.

Good job.



Who's the idiot who said McBride was a reach? Czarnecki? C'mon. McBride was slotted exactly where he went, between 45-55. We didn't reach for a single player.....

boogblaster
04-30-2007, 09:14 AM
We needed the D help..LJ needed a back-up..A big WR is always good if the hands are there..Oline was pretty much neglected..As far as another PK that was a wasted pick .......

Chiefnj
04-30-2007, 09:18 AM
Who's the idiot who said McBride was a reach? Czarnecki? C'mon. McBride was slotted exactly where he went, between 45-55. We didn't reach for a single player.....

I don't think McBride was on Mayock's top 64 list. He was 66 at NFLDraftcountdown.

Mecca
04-30-2007, 09:20 AM
Here's one from Yahoo to add....

Kansas City Chiefs: For those who haven't seen Dwayne Bowe, he's really something to behold physically. You don't draw them up much better than Bowe when it comes to size-speed guys at wide receiver. In any year that didn't include Calvin Johnson, Bowe might have been the talk of the receiver group. The next two picks are straight needs and speak to Kansas City's failure to pick good defensive tackles in the past. Tank Tyler has some character issues, but he's amazingly strong (he did 42 reps at the combine on the 225-pound bench press). Kolby Smith is a good backup to Larry Johnson and should allow the Chiefs to reduce Johnson's NFL-record workload (416 carries) of last season.
Grade: B-

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 09:21 AM
I don't think McBride was on Mayock's top 64 list. He was 66 at NFLDraftcountdown.

I checked Scott Wright's final mock on Saturday morning, and he had McBride going 2 slots ahrad of us to the Rams.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockround2.html

Gosselin had him at 46. Also had Tank at 53. I'd say that's good value.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/042707dnspogoosetop100.24fc16d.html

Tribal Warfare
04-30-2007, 09:22 AM
As far as another PK that was a wasted pick .......


Like Colquitt?

Extra Point
04-30-2007, 09:29 AM
Two Left-Handed Complements:

Colquitt and Medlock.

Chiefnj
04-30-2007, 09:29 AM
I checked Scott Wright's final mock on Saturday morning, and he had McBride going 2 slots ahrad of us to the Rams.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockround2.html

Gosselin had him at 46. Also had Tank at 53. I'd say that's good value.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/042707dnspogoosetop100.24fc16d.html

I was looking at Wright's player ranking where he was 66.

Jm Jr. had him going in the 200's and called him a solid 2nd day pick that will be a good backup.

Opinions on him varied.

Mecca
04-30-2007, 09:31 AM
The guy from Gm Jr. was on the radio earlier.......

He said John Beck was better than Brady Quinn, and Quinn has flaws that are unfixable. Then he said he thought the Chiefs draft was good.

TrickyNicky
04-30-2007, 09:32 AM
Dr. Z's contribution

"CHIEFS -- C
I see a real good crack-blocker on the edge here, someone to give Larry Johnson a soft corner, and his name is Dwayne Bowe, the 6-2 1/2, 220-pound WR taken in the first round. "Will hunt up linebackers," is one report I saw on him. Hey, just give me a call. I know where they hang out."

He could have saved me five seconds and said, "Don't really care. Lets move on, shall we?

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 09:33 AM
The guy from Gm Jr. was on the radio earlier.......

He said John Beck was better than Brady Quinn, and Quinn has flaws that are unfixable. Then he said he thought the Chiefs draft was good.

So he was half right.

John Beck better than Brady Quinn?

Sounds like someone trying to get noticed by making some outlandish prediction.

eazyb81
04-30-2007, 09:36 AM
Not sure what "the Czar" is talking about. Everything I heard said Bowe was a stud during Senior Bowl week. Here is a quote from NFLDC's Senior Bowl Review in January:

"Without question one of the biggest stars of the week, regardless of position, was Dwayne Bowe of L.S.U., who was basically unstoppable all week long. In fact, the only guy who slowed Dwayne Bowe down was Dwayne Bowe as he battled a few drops at times. Still, Bowe is now the top senior wideout prospect available and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him go ahead of more highly-touted pass catchers like Dwayne Jarrett and Sidney Rice when all is said and done."

Mecca
04-30-2007, 09:36 AM
So he was half right.

John Beck better than Brady Quinn?

Sounds like someone trying to get noticed by making some outlandish prediction.

He said he rated them almost equal but Beck was with better coaches in a better spot so he would have the better career.

He basically said Russell was way better than all the other QB's and Quinn, Beck and all those 2nd level QB's are all about the same level players.

StcChief
04-30-2007, 09:36 AM
Good analysis on last one. Finally a fair assessment.

Not EC media hate.

chiefsfan1963
04-30-2007, 09:37 AM
as usual we pick way down on draft day and we are just out of reach from the really good available players during each round. Then we lose a crucial 4th round pick and our next pick is late in the 5th. As far as I'm concerned we get an A given what we had to work with position wise.

I totally agree about the change in philosophy during the draft as far as picking players. I'm looking forward to seeing us pick in the Top 15 next year with all our picks in all the rounds. That will give us a big leg up going into the 2008 season.

If we are not going to be good enough this year to compete in the playoffs which it looks like to be the case then I truly hope this is a rebuilding year for us. I really want a try at a Top 15 draft pick or better next year. I really would like to see what Chief's War Room can do for us with a better position in the draft.

Chiefnj
04-30-2007, 09:40 AM
Sounds like someone trying to get noticed by making some outlandish prediction.


He's the guy that wrote up all the draft picks for the 2006 draft at NFL.Com. He's also a former professional scout. He's been noticed.

Mecca
04-30-2007, 09:40 AM
Bowe is actually a really really good prospect, I thought he'd be gone before our pick.

I don't think we missed out on a whole lot honestly, unless we were gonna make that Quinn trade for the picks.

Chiefnj
04-30-2007, 09:41 AM
[QUOTE=eazyb81]Not sure what "the Czar" is talking about. Everything I heard said Bowe was a stud during Senior Bowl week. [QUOTE]

I think he was referring to the actual game itself where Bowe disappeared. To be fair the weather was horrible.

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 09:42 AM
He's the guy that wrote up all the draft picks for the 2006 draft at NFL.Com. He's also a former professional scout. He's been noticed.

Now I know why he's a former scout. Rating John Beck ahead of Brady Quinn would be career suicide.

Mecca
04-30-2007, 09:44 AM
Now I know why he's a former scout. Rating John Beck ahead of Brady Quinn would be career suicide.

There were alot of teams that felt that way too.........they didn't feel Quinn was much if at all better than the 2nd tier of QB's.

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 09:49 AM
There were alot of teams that felt that way too.........they didn't feel Quinn was much if at all better than the 2nd tier of QB's.

Maybe teams that had no intention of drafting a QB.

Cleveland obviously thought a lot more of him than Beck, Stanton, Edwards, and the like.

They could have saved a R1 in '08 and grabbed any of those guys in R2.

Pushead2
04-30-2007, 09:50 AM
There is alot of things with Quinn, ND's defense wasn't the greatest and it was shown especially in big games againest big teams. So alot of people feel that the defnese let him down in big games not him. But I ask, didn't ND have 4 or 5 offensive players drafted as well??? He had the weapons.... I think he will have the same deal at Cleveland ... No D , descent line and offensive weapons but now it's on the NFL level.

Mecca
04-30-2007, 09:52 AM
Maybe teams that had no intention of drafting a QB.

Cleveland obviously thought a lot more of him than Beck, Stanton, Edwards, and the like.

They could have saved a R1 in '08 and grabbed any of those guys in R2.

Hometown hero pick........although now he has huge huge pressure on him because of that.

It probably goes over better there moving next years pick to take the hometown guy than waiting for Brian Brohm.......will it work out I dunno. I never thought that highly of Quinn but we'll see.

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 09:59 AM
There is alot of things with Quinn, ND's defense wasn't the greatest and it was shown especially in big games againest big teams. So alot of people feel that the defnese let him down in big games not him. But I ask, didn't ND have 4 or 5 offensive players drafted as well??? He had the weapons.... I think he will have the same deal at Cleveland ... No D , descent line and offensive weapons but now it's on the NFL level.

None of Quinn's "weapons" were drafted.

Samardzija is playing baseball. Rhema McKnight and Darius Walker went undrafted.

I just think the Beck > Quinn talk is laughable.

Had Brady Quinn and JaMarcus Russell switched teams in that Sugar Bowl game that apparently set the bar for all parties involved, we'd be talking about Quinn in Oakland.

Russell had a shit-ton of talent on offense, and a defense that kept him in every game. He's also very talented. I'm not taking anything away from him.

Quinn had Samardzija and a below average OL, along with a defense that gave up 35 per in the big games that everyone said Quinn sucked in. Quinn had a fraction of the talent around him Russell had, and their defense couldn't stop anyone.

Ask Trent Green: When you're way behind, it sucks to have to throw every down when the defense knows it's coming.

Mecca
04-30-2007, 10:01 AM
I dunno, I still think Russell would have gone first, When workouts started rolling around it became really obvious how much more naturally gifted he is.

cdcox
04-30-2007, 10:03 AM
Jon Yoon is like a cool version of Rufus Dawes. He lucidly explains the thinking of the One Arrowhead Drive brain-trust without being condescending or annoying.

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 10:07 AM
I dunno, I still think Russell would have gone first, When workouts started rolling around it became really obvious how much more naturally gifted he is.

That's very possible.

I just find it odd that literally all year, Quinn was the consensus #1 guy. Then the Sugar Bowl rolls around, Quinn's OL didn't block a soul, ND's defense looked like the Keystone Kops, as usual, and all of a sudden Brady Quinn is a heaping pile of shit and JaMarcus Russell is God in shoulder pads.

Oh well, time will tell. I'm not saying he should have gone #1 BTW. I'm just saying he's getting shortchanged by a LOT of people.

I can't wait until the first time Cleveland plays Miami in the Pound.

Thig Lyfe
04-30-2007, 10:09 AM
Yoon is spot-on.

cmh6476
04-30-2007, 10:09 AM
kiper:


Kansas City Chiefs: GRADE: C Wide receiver Dwayne Bowe is a good player, and he filled a need for the Chiefs. Kansas City used its next two picks on defensive tackles: Turk McBride is versatile, and Tank Tyler needs to build on his strong senior season. Kolby Smith is a serviceable running back; Justin Medlock is a good place-kicker, but I would have taken Mason Crosby.

Iowanian
04-30-2007, 10:10 AM
Holtus is on 810 now.

Really likes 1st day of draft.
"all about the Bowe Pick" but wanted Ross. Thinks Tyler has "turned his personal life around" and loves the McBride upside. Said Chiefs "stayed with the board" when their guys didn't work out.

"war room was nuts for 2 picks before 23"....Thinks the Chiefs would have made the Quinn trade if Dallas hadn't". Cleveland didn't want to give a 1st pick to AFC team.

Herm will be on in 11'Ohr.

Iowanian
04-30-2007, 10:17 AM
Medlock was picked over Crosby due to accuracy.....Chiefs didn't forget Tyne's 23 yard miss in the playoffs.....Also says Bennett should not be discounted as a factor in the kicker battle that looms.

Holtus thinks Miami is/was playing chicken with the Chiefs. Miami's only QB for minicamp this weekend is Lemon, who hasn't signed his RFA tender....

cdcox
04-30-2007, 10:22 AM
Holtus thinks Miami is/was playing chicken with the Chiefs. Miami's only QB for minicamp this weekend is Lemon, who hasn't signed his RFA tender....

LMAO

Iowanian
04-30-2007, 10:24 AM
Holtus also likes the Smith Pick too.....says Chiefs comparision for him is Kimble Anders. A "compliment" back who runs hard. Thinks Michael Bennett has huge potential this year, if he can stay healthy, due to his explosiveness.

Thinks the Chiefs came out of the 1st day with 3 players who will contribute this year and make an impact. tyler has to behave, Bowe helps in many ways, helps deal with the 8-9 guys in the box....mcbride can allieviate problem with Allen beign suspened.

OnTheWarpath58
04-30-2007, 10:28 AM
Holtus also likes the Smith Pick too.....says Chiefs comparision for him is Kimble Anders. A "compliment" back who runs hard. Thinks Michael Bennett has huge potential this year, if he can stay healthy, due to his explosiveness.

Thinks the Chiefs came out of the 1st day with 3 players who will contribute this year and make an impact. tyler has to behave, Bowe helps in many ways, helps deal with the 8-9 guys in the box....mcbride can allieviate problem with Allen beign suspened.

I fully believe our first 5 picks will all see plenty of playing time and have an impact on the 2007 season.

When was the last time anyone could dream of saying that about one of our draft classes?

Sure-Oz
04-30-2007, 10:36 AM
I'm really excited about Bowe, can't wait to see this guy play.