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Mile High Mania
05-01-2007, 09:36 AM
Ok, I heard this on the radio about 40 minutes ago and figured someone may have posted it... my apologies if I missed another thread.

Brady Quinn was on ESPN (Mike & Mike) and he was discussing the wait during round 1. Quinn said that at some point when the Cowboys were on the clock that he received a call from the Ravens and they claimed they were going to select him thanks in part to a trade they had agreed with for the Chiefs' pick in R1.

Then, after getting off the phone... the Browns/Cowboys trade is announced and he is picked by Cleveland.

Quinn said he was surprised to get the call from the Ravens b/c he had not met with them about anything prior to that call on draft day.

I thought that was pretty interesting... so, I guess everyone that was pissed about the Browns/Cowboys trade can rest easy knowing that Peterson was trading out of that pick in R1 anyway.

There were no details of what the trade agreement was, obviously...

OnTheWarpath58
05-01-2007, 09:40 AM
Makes sense.

But Staley and Meachem would have been off the board.

Who would we have taken?

Grubbs?

Branch?

Sears?

Olsen?

el borracho
05-01-2007, 09:43 AM
**** the Browns. I hope they go 0-16.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-01-2007, 09:44 AM
**** the Browns. I hope they go 0-16.

Terrible idea. Then Dallas gets #1 overall.

Tribal Warfare
05-01-2007, 09:44 AM
Ok, day.

rest easy knowing that Peterson was trading out of that pick in R1 anyway.




I already knew this because Herm and Carl publicly stated after the season that Croyle will be the main man.

chagrin
05-01-2007, 09:45 AM
With all due respect MHM - I don't think this matters, does it? To anything? Just m opinion, i will leave now, no offense intended.

Mile High Mania
05-01-2007, 09:46 AM
Terrible idea. Then Dallas gets #1 overall.

I totally agree... I'd love to see the Browns win 10 games. Huge miracle would have to happen. I hate the idea of Dallas being in a position of drafting Darren McFadden (RB - Arkansas).

I wouldn't like to see him as a Raider either, but damn... the blue star would kill me.

Mile High Mania
05-01-2007, 09:47 AM
With all due respect MHM - I don't think this matters, does it? To anything? Just m opinion, i will leave now, no offense intended.

My bad... I tend to only post on sports related topics that I find interesting. I'll go find a topic on farts or something.

OnTheWarpath58
05-01-2007, 09:48 AM
I already knew this because Herm and Carl publicly stated after the season that Croyle will be the main man.

Yeah, and Peterson and Kuharich also stated publicly right before the draft that if Quinn was there, "we take him."

Common sense told me they'd take a deal instead of taking Quinn, but there was a sliver of doubt in my mind. It was an anxious couple of minutes at my draft party.....

You never know with Peterson.

bdeg
05-01-2007, 09:52 AM
A lot of us were just hoping Quinn would fall to us so that we would get the deal with the Browns or whoever instead of the Cowboys. This doesn't surprise me at all.

Mr. Plow
05-01-2007, 09:52 AM
Damn you Suzy. Damn you. This is all your fault.

Iowanian
05-01-2007, 09:56 AM
The Chiefs could have used 3 more 1st day picks.

Count Alex's Losses
05-01-2007, 09:57 AM
Alllllllmost a Raveeeeeeeeeeeen....not yet a Chieeeeeeeeeeeef...

Simply Red
05-01-2007, 10:03 AM
WTF is going on in here?

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:04 AM
FYI, if Baltimore would have traded up, we would have only gotten an extra 3rd... look at the value chart...

Browns were at pick #35, they need to move up 14 spots, they really didnt have the value without offering the 1st for next year, plus they said they would not offer the Chiefs a #1 for 2008 because they were a AFC team...

Baltimore was only 6 spots away... I thought this was going to happen anyway (the trade down) to get Staley... we would have picked up Jarrett or any other WR that was still available at that point...

So it would not have been for a #1 pick anyway...

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:07 AM
And for the record, Miami probably called Dallas and offered both #2's (2007) for Quinn (because the value was there), but Dallas would rather have the Brown #1 in 2008... and 1 #2 (2007)

Mile High Mania
05-01-2007, 10:08 AM
Not that it is necessarily a hard thing to do, but; you've managed to confuse the shit out of me.

Weird... ok, here's the short version.

Quinn fell to #22.
Dallas considered taking him and was talking to Cleveland about a trade.
Quinn is sitting in the green room during all of this when his cell rings.
Ravens call him and say "we have a trade with KC at #23 - we're taking you".
Quinn hangs up... the Dallas/CLE trade is announced.
Quinn is a Brown.
KC/Balt trade is no longer happening.

Simply Red
05-01-2007, 10:11 AM
Weird... ok, here's the short version.

Quinn fell to #22.
Dallas considered taking him and was talking to Cleveland about a trade.
Quinn is sitting in the green room during all of this when his cell rings.
Ravens call him and say "we have a trade with KC at #23 - we're taking you".
Quinn hangs up... the Dallas/CLE trade is announced.
Quinn is a Brown.
KC/Balt trade is no longer happening.
I misinterpreted the subject line. My bad. I've got it now. I thought when you said "Almost" you meant as in currently-almost. Trying to get my shit together over here. Thanks for the patience.

bdeg
05-01-2007, 10:12 AM
FYI, if Baltimore would have traded up, we would have only gotten an extra 3rd... look at the value chart...

Browns were at pick #35, they need to move up 14 spots, they really didnt have the value without offering the 1st for next year, plus they said they would not offer the Chiefs a #1 for 2008 because they were a AFC team...

Baltimore was only 6 spots away... I thought this was going to happen anyway (the trade down) to get Staley... we would have picked up Jarrett or any other WR that was still available at that point...

So it would not have been for a #1 pick anyway...

The value chart isn't always used. It's more of a guide I guess. Look at how much the Chargers gave up for Weddle.

Plus when you get a player like Quinn falling your pick is obviously worth more to the team trying to trade with you.

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:14 AM
The value chart isn't always used. It's more of a guide I guess. Look at how much the Chargers gave up for Weddle.

Plus when you get a player like Quinn falling your pick is obviously worth more to the team trying to trade with you.

They gave up more, because the other team didnt want to trade down, they made them an offer they couldnt refuse...

ROYC75
05-01-2007, 10:14 AM
Not that it is necessarily a hard thing to do, but; you've managed to confuse the shit out of me.


ROFL U B having bad day Red ?

Brad was very clear on his post........

bdeg
05-01-2007, 10:16 AM
They gave up more, because the other team didnt want to trade down, they made them an offer they couldnt refuse...
My point exactly.

There were multiple teams interested in Quinn, I'm sure we would've gotten a good deal(although maybe not as good as the Browns got).

It's almost like you're trading a top 10 pick because of who's on the board.

Simply Red
05-01-2007, 10:16 AM
ROFL U B having bad day Red ?

Brad was very clear on his post........

Actually yes. Murphy's Law kinda day. Hell I can't even interpret posts. I've got to meet this Murphy guy.

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:20 AM
I looked it up:

Chargers got #37, they traded 62, 93, 167

Value: 530 to 284 + 128 + 24.6 = 436.6

Any other picks i dont know about? Chargers got a great deal here...

bdeg
05-01-2007, 10:23 AM
I looked it up:

Chargers got #37, they traded 62, 93, 167

Value: 530 to 284 + 128 + 24.6 = 436.6

Any other picks i dont know about? Chargers got a great deal here...
Yes.

"They gave up their second round pick this year, third round pick this year, a third rounder next and a fifth rounder in 2007."

bdeg
05-01-2007, 10:23 AM
Maybe I was wrong. How about the Browns trade? That should be the most applicable.

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:24 AM
Oh and they traded next year's 3rd and 5th... valued from anywhere from 44-112 and 14.6-27 (Next years value is always a round behind...)

I think the value chart was used on this...

NJ Chief Fan
05-01-2007, 10:27 AM
**** and instead we get stuck with that bum Dwayne Bust.

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:28 AM
Maybe I was wrong. How about the Browns trade? That should be the most applicable.

value: #22 vs 35 and a #1 2008

780 vs 550 + 270-580...

You also need to realize that Brady was worth anywhere from 1,350 to 2,200 points to them, they got two guys worth over 3500+ points for a bargain in trade value...

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:30 AM
Yes.

"They gave up their second round pick this year, third round pick this year, a third rounder next and a fifth rounder in 2007."


I think it was 2,3,5 this year and a 3rd next year... value chart was used...

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:45 AM
Picks traded in 07' Value Chart was close in all of these:
http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/042807acq.html

1, Carolina traded its first and sixth-round picks (14 and 169) to the New York Jets for the Jets' first, second and sixth-round (25, 59, and 164) picks.
Value= 1124 vs 1056

2, Jacksonville traded its first-round (No. 17) pick to Denver for the Broncos' first- (No. 21), third- (No. 86) and sixth-round (No. 198)
Value: 950 vs 948

And so on...

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 10:46 AM
I guess this thread is over...

SithCeNtZ
05-01-2007, 10:54 AM
FYI, if Baltimore would have traded up, we would have only gotten an extra 3rd... look at the value chart...

Browns were at pick #35, they need to move up 14 spots, they really didnt have the value without offering the 1st for next year, plus they said they would not offer the Chiefs a #1 for 2008 because they were a AFC team...

Baltimore was only 6 spots away... I thought this was going to happen anyway (the trade down) to get Staley... we would have picked up Jarrett or any other WR that was still available at that point...

So it would not have been for a #1 pick anyway...

Where did you see the quote that says they would not give us a #1 because we were a AFC team?

Mr. Laz
05-01-2007, 11:09 AM
dam bastards in Cleveland fugged with us all draft long. :cuss:

SithCeNtZ
05-01-2007, 11:15 AM
And I'm just going to add this, because I'm kind of surprised no one else is dissappointed that we didn't try to go and bend the Browns over and raid their picks. I still don't see why we didn't trade like a fifth round pick this year or next year to the Jag's to move up a whole two spots and make everyone trade with us instead of the Cowboys. It would have been worth investing even a fourth rounder next year to upgrade to another couple of high picks in the coming years, if not in this draft.

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 11:18 AM
Here is one:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/browns/2007-04-29-war-room-cover_N.htm

Kansas City, at No. 23, seemed willing, with the Browns mulling whether to swap their second-, third- and fifth- round picks in this draft for the slot.

But under this scenario, while Cleveland would have kept its first-round pick in 2008, it wouldn't have had any more picks Saturday. Savage wasn't thrilled by that idea. The Browns have many needs, and Savage had several players in mind for the second and third rounds.

It was on here somewhere too, where it specifically said that.... I have to find it...

Frankie
05-01-2007, 12:59 PM
But Staley and Meachem would have been off the board.Between Staley, Meachem and Bowe I bet at least one would have been available at 29. :banghead:

I wonder what/who the Ravens agreed to give us for the swap?

CoMoChief
05-01-2007, 01:01 PM
Terrible idea. Then Dallas gets #1 overall.


So, they're not in our conference.

keg in kc
05-01-2007, 01:02 PM
Alas, what could have been.

Hopefully it worked out for the best and we got the right guys anyway.

CoMoChief
05-01-2007, 01:02 PM
dam bastards in Cleveland fugged with us all draft long. :cuss:


Picking Eric Wright before us REALLY pissed me off to no end.

Frankie
05-01-2007, 01:03 PM
FYI, if Baltimore would have traded up, we would have only gotten an extra 3rd... look at the value chart.....
I bet we were gonna get a bit more than just an extra 3rd. This would have been somewhat of a desperation trade for Baltimore.

bdeg
05-01-2007, 01:37 PM
You also need to realize that Brady was worth anywhere from 1,350 to 2,200 points to them, they got two guys worth over 3500+ points for a bargain in trade value...

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. We probably could have gotten more than the value chart.


Plus when you get a player like Quinn falling your pick is obviously worth more to the team trying to trade with you.

htismaqe
05-01-2007, 01:43 PM
Picking Eric Wright before us REALLY pissed me off to no end.

We wouldn't have picked Wright. The Chiefs have said they were considering trading up to get McBride.

Frankie
05-01-2007, 02:38 PM
We wouldn't have picked Wright. The Chiefs have said they were considering trading up to get McBride.
I think that's diplomatic talk on the Chiefs part.

htismaqe
05-01-2007, 03:03 PM
I think that's diplomatic talk on the Chiefs part.

And they gain what? What's the motive?

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 03:08 PM
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. We probably could have gotten more than the value chart.

They only got a few points more... like 100 more if that... I dont think we would have gotten more from the ravens, maybe a 3rd and a 5th... but definitely not next years number 1... again, the Ravens were only trading up 6 spots, the browns were moving up 14 spots and they could not swap 1st rounders...

Dicky McElephant
05-01-2007, 03:34 PM
Just saw this on the rumors.....take it for what it's worth.

The Green Bay Packers turned down a trade offer from the Cleveland Browns on Saturday that would have brought them another first-round draft choice in 2008. Green Bay was among about 10 teams that Browns general manager Phil Savage called in a concerted bid to trade up for a first-round pick and select quarterback Brady Quinn of Notre Dame.

The Packers look dumb as hell for not doing this.

Thig Lyfe
05-01-2007, 03:48 PM
But hey, at least they got Troy Smith.

**** and instead we get stuck with that bum Dwayne Bust.

Your are retarted.