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actright6
05-01-2007, 06:59 PM
Topic was about Green still being a Chief.

Clayton talked about how the Dolphins are just waiting till June / July for Kansas City to cut him and basically is why deal did not happen. When asked if the lines of communication were still open he said with Green yes, but Miami has no desire to do any Business with Kansas City.



If I were KC I would seriously consider dealing him anywhere for anything but don't just cut him and allow Miami to walk as winners.

Tribal Warfare
05-01-2007, 07:00 PM
Chicago, they want to win a Superbowl now.

beer bacon
05-01-2007, 07:01 PM
We have to way, way under the cap after cutting Hicks and trading Sims. We can just wait for a while if the Dolphins are going to hardball us. I am feeling pretty spiteful towards Green and Miami right now. Carl must be fuming.

siberian khatru
05-01-2007, 07:02 PM
I'd hold him until the end of training camp.

noa
05-01-2007, 07:02 PM
I hope Carl is stubborn enough not to just let Green waltz over to Miami for free.

Fruit Ninja
05-01-2007, 07:02 PM
Hicks, Sims, Roaf, Shields. Knight, Wesley and a few others are all off the books i beleive, I think we are in great cap shape.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:03 PM
We can't trade him to another team because he can just tell them he's not willing to re-do his contract for them....

This sucks but we're gonna end up cutting him and getting nothing.

OnTheWarpath58
05-01-2007, 07:03 PM
If he's cut, I don't expect it to be in June or July.

More like the final cut day in Training camp.

If we're giving him away, might as well do it at the last minute.

I can't see Carl helping Mueller at this point. He lowered the demand down to a 4th, and Mueller still wouldn't budge from a 7th.

Screw him, and screw the Dolphins.

actright6
05-01-2007, 07:06 PM
Teams / Owners have to set the bar that teams cannot just stage out players and wait till their cut to acquire them. Miami was allowed open communication with Green ... now they should be forced to give up compensation if they wish to sign him. Otherwise it should be looked upon as tampering.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:07 PM
Teams / Owners have to set the bar that teams cannot just stage out players and wait till their cut to acquire them. Miami was allowed open communication with Green ... now they should be forced to give up compensation if they wish to sign him. Otherwise it should be looked upon as tampering.

The Chiefs allowed them to talk so it's not tampering.......

Iowanian
05-01-2007, 07:12 PM
Hold his ass until the end of training camp....or send it somewhere else.....anywhere but Miami.

John_Wayne
05-01-2007, 07:15 PM
I think we should hold him through training camp. Some team will lose their starting QB to injury and will be desperate to trade for Green.

bsp4444
05-01-2007, 07:16 PM
He'll have to be cut by June 1st or his salary will be on the books for next year. I'd still almost rather pay it than let those Miami f***s have him for nothing.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:16 PM
Adam "Donkey lover" Schefter said Green has told KC
he will only renegotiate his contract with the Dolphins
not KC or no other team....so **** TRENT GREEN

Tribal Warfare
05-01-2007, 07:17 PM
He'll have to be cut by June 1st or his salary will be on the books for next year. I'd still almost rather pay it than let those Miami f***s have him for nothing.


I'm tempted by that too

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:18 PM
I think we should hold him through training camp. Some team will lose their starting QB to injury and will be desperate to trade for Green.

No team is taking his 7 mill base......all he has to do is say he's not re-doing his deal for them and the deals dead just like that.

Easy 6
05-01-2007, 07:19 PM
I kinda figured this is what would happen, Trent knows the system so well that he could walk right in with virtually no prep time & go to work.

That said, i hope Carl really breaks out his shiniest pair of brass balls & makes it ugly as sin, FLUCK the fins & their lousy ass offer & while i'm at it Trent can take a shot as well.

He wants us to let him go for a 6 or 7 ??? get real...

Drag their asses through the deepest end of the muck pool Carl.

Direckshun
05-01-2007, 07:19 PM
Hicks, Sims, Roaf, Shields. Knight, Wesley and a few others are all off the books i beleive, I think we are in great cap shape.
Holmes.

We have to be crazy good in cap space right now.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:21 PM
***THe Official **** Trent Green thread****
is getting due

actright6
05-01-2007, 07:22 PM
Carl just needs to drive up interest.

Call up teams like Chicago, Washington, Cleveland etc.

There are a lot of teams in need of a QB, esp if only for a year or 2.

Make Miami feel the pressure ... they know perfectly well that they cannot go into training camp with the QB's they have.

tonyetony
05-01-2007, 07:22 PM
There is a Zero % chance Green is getting cut in June. His agent just screwed his client in a big big way. We held on to sims to long, we didn't cut priest either and if you think Carl will cut Green your a Miami fan.

Marcellus
05-01-2007, 07:24 PM
I say let the guy go, he did what could for us while he was here.

Cut bait and move on and wish him luck. No need for spite here.

Miami played hard ball and won. Big deal. :shrug:

Trent has a right to want and go be a starter after we told him we wished to go another direction.

Chances are he will struggle in Miami and I for one am not looking forward to seeing it.

He will always be one of my favorite Chiefs but his time to go has come.

Big deal we don't get a 4th or 5th rounder for him.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:24 PM
again
Green has informed KC he will only redo his contract
with Miami - NO team will pick him up for 7.2 this season

siberian khatru
05-01-2007, 07:24 PM
Adam "Donkey lover" Schefter said Green has told KC
he will only renegotiate his contract with the Dolphins
not KC or no other team....so **** TRENT GREEN

In that case I'd keep Green the whole season as the No. 3.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:25 PM
**** HIM

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:27 PM
In that case I'd keep Green the whole season as the No. 3.

Is spite worth 7.2 million dollars........when you have another player who wants a big bonus that it could go toward....

Mr. Laz
05-01-2007, 07:29 PM
Keep Green ..... if he refuses to play then he sits out and costs us nada.

gotta send a message that we won't be taken advantage of in trades.

actright6
05-01-2007, 07:30 PM
If we hold on to him and he just doesn't show up then that is his own issue. He is under contract and has little to no choice but to show up or get fined/suspended.

He is more valuable at this point a mentor to Croyle than a draft pick.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:30 PM
Trent Green just ****ed KC in the ass

siberian khatru
05-01-2007, 07:32 PM
Is spite worth 7.2 million dollars........when you have another player who wants a big bonus that it could go toward....

For me? Yes.

We'll see if Carl and Clark agree.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:32 PM
If we hold on to him and he just doesn't show up then that is his own issue. He is under contract and has little to no choice but to show up or get fined/suspended.

He is more valuable at this point a mentor to Croyle than a draft pick.

I'm sure a player that doesn't want to be here is going to be a mentor......

If he's here he'll sit on the end of the bench and do jack to help anyone.

the Talking Can
05-01-2007, 07:32 PM
Letting him go prior to training camp - when other QBs may go down - would be stupid.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:33 PM
For me? Yes.

We'll see if Carl and Clark agree.

I think I'd just cut him, I don't think it's worth the headache of having him around all year, especially with young impressionable players around.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:33 PM
Letting him go prior to training camp - when other QBs may go down - would be stupid.

Once again, if he isn't willing to change his contract for them he becomes a non option.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:34 PM
If he really told the Chiefs that
I'm surprised he hasn't been escorted out of the building

Cochise
05-01-2007, 07:38 PM
Miami knows we aren't going to keep him through the season. Why should they give us anything for him?

They might have picked Ted Ginn Jr., but they aren't that stupid.

This isn't about Green screwing us or about Carl screwing up. We didn't really have any leverage in the first place.

Zebedee DuBois
05-01-2007, 07:38 PM
If we could afford to keep Priest for a year for no play, I would think we could afford to do the same with Green. I don't think we should play anywhere else without the Chiefs getting compensation.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:40 PM
Miami knows we aren't going to keep him through the season. Why should they give us anything for him?

They might have picked Ted Ginn Jr., but they aren't that stupid.

This isn't about Green screwing us or about Carl screwing up. We didn't really have any leverage in the first place.

I said that awhile back..........

Hell I thought we were in some ways lucky anyone offered us anything for a 37 year old QB with a scrambled head most people thought we'd just cut anyway.....

We thought we could make demands in a no leverage spot so they told us to eat it and now we get nothin.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:40 PM
If we could afford to keep Priest for a year for no play, I would think we could afford to do the same with Green. I don't think we should play anywhere else without the Chiefs getting compensation.

Priest re-did his base to nothing to help us out.......Trent won't do that.

Frazod
05-01-2007, 07:43 PM
F#ck Miami. F#ck 'em right in the ass with a big rubber dick. I'd rather send Trent to Denver for a 7th round pick in 2050 at this point. We CANNOT LET THEM TAKE HIM FOR NOTHING. Cap space be damned.

Dolphin scum. 4321

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:44 PM
I don't think ego and spite is worth 7 million dollars......

Marcellus
05-01-2007, 07:44 PM
If we could afford to keep Priest for a year for no play, I would think we could afford to do the same with Green. I don't think we should play anywhere else without the Chiefs getting compensation.


Why? What has Trent ever done to punish him? We should punish him because we told him we wanted to trade him (= we don't want you) and he wants to go be a starter some where? (Miami is the only real starting option for him as far as teams that have shown any interest)


Or is it we should punish Trent because Miami played hardball with us?

What an ass he is. :rolleyes:

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:46 PM
Clark will have to help make this decision
this is to close to Carl's ego

Frazod
05-01-2007, 07:46 PM
I don't think ego and spite is worth 7 million dollars......

No, but not being Miami's bitch is. Capitulating on this issue would make us the laughing stock of the league.

In this instance, Carl's pride is a good thing. Those pricks should have taken the deal and coughed up a 4th rounder. That was a fair trade.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:49 PM
No, but not being Miami's bitch is. Capitulating on this issue would make us the laughing stock of the league.

In this instance, Carl's pride is a good thing. Those pricks should have taken the deal and coughed up a 4th rounder. That was a fair trade.

I think around the league there were alot of people that thought we were nuts to expect anything for Green.......

I know plenty of people who had no interest in the situation either way that were like "if you can get a 7th round for Green you should feel pretty good cause I don't see how he's worth much of anything right now"

We tried to trade him for his value 1-2 years ago and well it didn't work, his value is what you can get and it proved out that he doesn't have any.

Ultra Peanut
05-01-2007, 07:49 PM
He's so ****ing enamored with a team that doesn't even deem him worthy of a mid-round draft pick.

Marcellus
05-01-2007, 07:50 PM
No, but not being Miami's bitch is. Capitulating on this issue would make us the laughing stock of the league.

In this instance, Carl's pride is a good thing. Those pricks should have taken the deal and coughed up a 4th rounder. That was a fair trade.


Fair for us for sure. I think the fact they caughed up a 2nd rounder for a previously hurt QB last year who turned out to be worthless may have them thinking they need to be more careful.

It wouldn't look good (4th rounder) if Trent stinks it up next year.

I think they are looking out for them,which is what they should do.

We made the mistake of burning the bridge too early and not keeping it a situation we could take him back if neccesary.

the Talking Can
05-01-2007, 07:50 PM
I said that awhile back..........

Hell I thought we were in some ways lucky anyone offered us anything for a 37 year old QB with a scrambled head most people thought we'd just cut anyway.....

We thought we could make demands in a no leverage spot so they told us to eat it and now we get nothin.

right, you think we should give Miami their starting QB for a 7th just because they order you too....

I'll never understand why Chiefs fans are so horny for a 7th rounder...

mdstu
05-01-2007, 07:50 PM
Hurry up Blueballs.
Almost four posts went by without you cursing Trent.

Frazod
05-01-2007, 07:52 PM
I think around the league there were alot of people that thought we were nuts to expect anything for Green.......

I know plenty of people who had no interest in the situation either way that were like "if you can get a 7th round for Green you should feel pretty good cause I don't see how he's worth much of anything right now"

We tried to trade him for his value 1-2 years ago and well it didn't work, his value is what you can get and it proved out that he doesn't have any.

I disagree. They need him to be their STARTER. Sure, it's a stop gap measure. But if we hold firm, their options are Cleo Lemon or Culpepper hobbling around with a cane.

If I'm Carl, I make sure Trent never plays for those f#ckers.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:53 PM
right, you think we should give Miami their starting QB for a 7th just because they order you too....

I'll never understand why Chiefs fans are so horny for a 7th rounder...

We can just cut him for nothin same difference.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 07:54 PM
I disagree. They need him to be their STARTER. Sure, it's a stop gap measure. But if we hold firm, their options are Cleo Lemon or Culpepper hobbling around with a cane.

If I'm Carl, I make sure Trent never plays for those f#ckers.

We can turn into the Raiders with Marcus Allen........

I think this is getting dumb, cut him and move on, it's not like he's making Miami some bowl team. Hell he'll probably get decapitated behind their line.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:54 PM
I curse at my leisure
F.. y o u ..m d s t u

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:56 PM
they gave him an inch by letting him seek a trade
he turns around and inserts 8

mdstu
05-01-2007, 07:57 PM
I'm just messin with ya.

I just find it amusing that you take it so personally that Trent is doing what is best for himself and not what is best for the Chiefs.

jaxchiefsclub
05-01-2007, 07:58 PM
Geathers should have done a better job in week 1.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 07:59 PM
He's taking it further than doing what's just best for him

chiefsfan1963
05-01-2007, 08:00 PM
a lot of people on this board really believe everything the sports media says is true as far the potential trade to the fins. I still think Trent could be our starting QB this season or Miami could give up a 3rd or 4th rounder to get him. I don't believe any of these rumors. It's all a poker game, and I think KC has the upper hand not Miami.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:01 PM
a lot of people on this board really believe everything the sports media says is true as far the potential trade to the fins. I still think Trent could be our starting QB this season or Miami could give up a 3rd or 4th rounder to get him. I don't believe any of these rumors. It's all a poker game, and I think KC has the upper hand not Miami.

I can put my fingers in my ears and smile too.........

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:01 PM
when a reporter reports something a player said
it's more than just rumor -lawyers make major $$

Mojo Rising
05-01-2007, 08:08 PM
It should be worth the Phins to part withg a 4th Rounder to get Green in camp so he can learn the system and get timing with his WR's. The rift between McNair and the Titans was much worse last year but the Ravens still gave up a 4th.

Green's agent said that he won't return to the team so if he doesn't report we can fine him (like the Donks did to Lelie last year.)

I say we keep him. There are no other FA's out there. Have him back-up Croyle in case he doesn't play well or gets injured.

Brock
05-01-2007, 08:08 PM
We tried to trade him for his value 1-2 years ago and well it didn't work, his value is what you can get and it proved out that he doesn't have any.

Uh, what?

Pestilence
05-01-2007, 08:09 PM
You know what. I say cut him. Let him have his Dolphins....whatever. I'm tired of hearing about all this and dealing with it. I'd say that we should just hold onto him....but then we look like assholes...and it would cost us $7 million that could be used on someone that actually wants to play for this team. Let him have his team and be done with it.

Brock
05-01-2007, 08:09 PM
If they want to be assholes about it, they can wait until August to have him.

chop
05-01-2007, 08:09 PM
No way do the Chiefs give a team in the AFC a starting QB for nothing. I think it's the principle now.
The media was reporting a deal was but done at the draft time, I don't believe them when they say Trent refuses to take a pay cut for the Chiefs. Maybe he will refuse a pay cut who knows. I think Trent and CP are still on good terms.

svuba
05-01-2007, 08:10 PM
F*** Trint Green.
I say we keep him & make him wear a dolphins jersey, and sit on the bench all season long.

unothadeal
05-01-2007, 08:10 PM
No, but not being Miami's bitch is. Capitulating on this issue would make us the laughing stock of the league.

In this instance, Carl's pride is a good thing. Those pricks should have taken the deal and coughed up a 4th rounder. That was a fair trade.
Exactly. Giving up Trent for a 7th (or cutting him) is the definition of being owned.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:10 PM
Uh, what?

A guy's value is what you can get.....when you put him out there in a trade and the best offer you get is a 6th round pick......that's his value.

By the way the Ravens were and are a "win now" team Miami isn't so they are less willing to part with higher picks.

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:10 PM
Trent is the Chiefs starting QB.
Gets bashed in head.
Comes back and performs not so well.
Offseason, Carl says "Trent we're going in a different direction seek a trade if you want."
Trent says "Hmm I wouldn't mind playing for Miami."
Works a deal with Miami, but they don't cough up pick.
Now Trent decides he would rather not play at all than play for the Chiefs, who just months earlier said they were through with him.

He's telling the Chiefs to **** off and it sucks.

But I could see myself doing the same thing if I were in his shoes.

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:11 PM
I disagree. They need him to be their STARTER. Sure, it's a stop gap measure. But if we hold firm, their options are Cleo Lemon or Culpepper hobbling around with a cane.

If I'm Carl, I make sure Trent never plays for those f#ckers.

Well, they could play their second round pick Beck I guess.

I understand this sentiment... it could be that Carl is thinking we could send Green to another team. But we're probably not going to get anything from Miami, we overplayed our hand and they called our bluff.

I don't really blame Trent here, he wants to play, the team let him negotiate a trade in good faith and then didn't go through with one.

At some point we're going to have to be pragmatic, unless we feel the need to pay him all year. There isn't any principle here, it's just business.

Should we spend $7 or 8 million just to prove a point? I'd fire the guy working for me who did that.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:11 PM
He is reportedly going to meetings and working out at Arrowhead
they would pull a McNair on his ass -you would think

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:11 PM
No way do the Chiefs give a team in the AFC a starting QB for nothing. I think it's the principle now.
The media was reporting a deal was but done at the draft time, I don't believe them when they say Trent refuses to take a pay cut for the Chiefs. Maybe he will refuse a pay cut who knows. I think Trent and CP are still on good terms.

Refusing to take a paycut is Trent's leverage......if he takes one for the Chiefs he looks like he bent over for CP.

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:13 PM
It doesn't matter. If Trent wants to play anywhere this season, he'll restructure his contract. Otherwise, he sits out and costs us nothing. The Chiefs, Miami and Trent all have the same amount of leverage -- none.

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:13 PM
F*** Trint Green.
I say we keep him & make him wear a dolphins jersey, and sit on the bench all season long.

Doesn't sound like a bad gig for 7 mil.

Logical
05-01-2007, 08:14 PM
We can't trade him to another team because he can just tell them he's not willing to re-do his contract for them....

This sucks but we're gonna end up cutting him and getting nothing.

Big suprise

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:14 PM
It doesn't matter. If Trent wants to play anywhere this season, he'll restructure his contract. Otherwise, he sits out and costs us nothing. The Chiefs, Miami and Trent all have the same amount of leverage -- none.

He'll restructure for the team he wants to play for....which he already agreed to with Miami.....

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:15 PM
He could go through the motions and visit
or atleast agree to visit other teams
you telling me he didn't think Carl would repond
please

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:15 PM
I don't really blame Trent here, he wants to play, the team let him negotiate a trade in good faith and then didn't go through with one.


If he REALLY wants to play football, he'll restructure, no matter who is interested. If he doesn't, then he obviously doesn't want to play anywhere.

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:15 PM
Well, they could play their second round pick Beck I guess.

I understand this sentiment... it could be that Carl is thinking we could send Green to another team. But we're probably not going to get anything from Miami, we overplayed our hand and they called our bluff.

I don't really blame Trent here, he wants to play, the team let him negotiate a trade in good faith and then didn't go through with one.

At some point we're going to have to be pragmatic, unless we feel the need to pay him all year. There isn't any principle here, it's just business.

Should we spend $7 or 8 million just to prove a point? I'd fire the guy working for me who did that.

You summed up my feelings.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:15 PM
Doesn't sound like a bad gig for 7 mil.

i can't believe people want to pay a guy 7 mill to sit on the end of the bench out of spite......

We tried to force Miamis hand into giving us a 4th round pick, they called us on it and now we can't get anything and really shouldn't pay him that........

We played chicken, we lost, we should probably admit it and move on.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:15 PM
We can just cut him for nothin same difference.


Except we are not caving in to the dolphins... If we do that every team will try to **** us...

We lost out on trading Trent for a 4th, he is being a prick by not wanting to play for anybody else(Cleveland)... A 7th is worthless as is just cutting him, but what we get out of cutting him before the regular season is he is worthless to Miami for awhile...


option 1.Cut Trent tomorrow or your future 7th, he gets to train with them and learn their players and playbook and be set for the regular season and be a factor in the AFC...

option 2.Keep Trent signed until the last preseason game, make it known that Trent is off the table and any contact from here on out is tampering, when it is over cut him, do not let him participate in any training or practices.. Let him rot away training on his own... When the dolphins do sign him, Trent has less time to get ready, no preseason games to warm up and a playbook to learn.. Should **** the dolphins for the first month or more...(Hopefully Miami talks to Trent or gives him updates, and the Chiefs can claim tampering)

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:16 PM
He'll restructure for the team he wants to play for....which he already agreed to with Miami.....

And if there isn't an agreement worked out, he's not going anywhere, but he certainly won't be playing football for us. So, if he wants to play, he doesn't have a choice but to renegotiate.

Logical
05-01-2007, 08:17 PM
I say let the guy go, he did what could for us while he was here.

Cut bait and move on and wish him luck. No need for spite here.

Miami played hard ball and won. Big deal. :shrug:

Trent has a right to want and go be a starter after we told him we wished to go another direction.

Chances are he will struggle in Miami and I for one am not looking forward to seeing it.

He will always be one of my favorite Chiefs but his time to go has come.

Big deal we don't get a 4th or 5th rounder for him.

Mature attitude and realistic

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:18 PM
Except we are not caving in to the dolphins... If we do that every team will try to **** us...

We lost out on trading Trent for a 4th, he is being a prick by not wanting to play for anybody else(Cleveland)... A 7th is worthless as is just cutting him, but what we get out of cutting him before the regular season is he is worthless to Miami for awhile...


option 1.Cut Trent tomorrow or your future 7th, he gets to train with them and learn their players and playbook and be set for the regular season and be a factor in the AFC...

option 2.Keep Trent signed until the last preseason game, make it known that Trent is off the table and any contact from here on out is tampering, when it is over cut him, do not let him participate in any training or practices.. Let him rot away training on his own... When the dolphins do sign him, Trent has less time to get ready, no preseason games to warm up and a playbook to learn.. Should **** the dolphins for the first month or more...(Hopefully Miami talks to Trent or gives him updates, and the Chiefs can claim tampering)

You could put Jesus at QB in Miami and they wouldn't be a factor......they're the last place AFC East team.

Logical
05-01-2007, 08:19 PM
It doesn't matter. If Trent wants to play anywhere this season, he'll restructure his contract. Otherwise, he sits out and costs us nothing. The Chiefs, Miami and Trent all have the same amount of leverage -- none.

He still costs us the remainder of his signing bonus against the salary cap.

unothadeal
05-01-2007, 08:19 PM
Except we are not caving in to the dolphins... If we do that every team will try to **** us...

We lost out on trading Trent for a 4th, he is being a prick by not wanting to play for anybody else(Cleveland)... A 7th is worthless as is just cutting him, but what we get out of cutting him before the regular season is he is worthless to Miami for awhile...


option 1.Cut Trent tomorrow or your future 7th, he gets to train with them and learn their players and playbook and be set for the regular season and be a factor in the AFC...

option 2.Keep Trent signed until the last preseason game, make it known that Trent is off the table and any contact from here on out is tampering, when it is over cut him, do not let him participate in any training or practices.. Let him rot away training on his own... When the dolphins do sign him, Trent has less time to get ready, no preseason games to warm up and a playbook to learn.. Should **** the dolphins for the first month or more...(Hopefully Miami talks to Trent or gives him updates, and the Chiefs can claim tampering)

I think option 2 is more mature and reasonable. I like it.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:20 PM
i can't believe people want to pay a guy 7 mill to sit on the end of the bench out of spite......

We tried to force Miamis hand into giving us a 4th round pick, they called us on it and now we can't get anything and really shouldn't pay him that........

We played chicken, we lost, we should probably admit it and move on.


You are thinking like a normal person, not someone who runs a sports franchise and has to be competitive.. You do not give a rival organization a headstart with training their new starting QB in your conference...

We screwed up early by not wanting a worthless 7th round pick that would not make the team 95% of the time, big deal.. Why do we want to help Miami now by cutting him early???

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:20 PM
I enjoy how everyone went from liking Trent and thinking he was a class guy to wanting to sit him on the bench with a kick me sign taped to his back.........

It didn't work out in our favor, just cut him and move on with our team and what we need to do, Trent isn't a part of it so be it, you don't make organizational decisions out of spite.

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:20 PM
Except we are not caving in to the dolphins... If we do that every team will try to **** us...


Well, if we're going to look at this from a reputation standpoint, what is the next free agent we try to sign going to think when they look at us and say "Carl made Trent Green rot on the bench for a year over a 7th round pick, I'm not sure I want to do business with someone like that"

58-4ever
05-01-2007, 08:21 PM
Refusing to take a paycut is Trent's leverage......if he takes one for the Chiefs he looks like he bent over for CP.

On the other hand, if CP lets him walk for nothing, CP looks like he bent over for the Fins and Trent's agent.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:21 PM
You are thinking like a normal person, not someone who runs a sports franchise and has to be competitive.. You do not give a rival organization a headstart with training their new starting QB in your conference...

We screwed up early by not wanting a worthless 7th round pick that would not make the team 95% of the time, big deal.. Why do we want to help Miami now by cutting him early???

The Chiefs and the Dolphins neither one are playing for a Bowl......I'd be shocked if either made the playoffs.......hell I'd be shocked if Miami didn't finish last.

It's not like we're making a team a threat to our bowl run here.....

58-4ever
05-01-2007, 08:22 PM
Well, if we're going to look at this from a reputation standpoint, what is the next free agent we try to sign going to think when they look at us and say "Carl made Trent Green rot on the bench for a year over a 7th round pick, I'm not sure I want to do business with someone like that"

A lot of those guys don't think like that. They normally go to the team that is willing to pony up the dough.

Brock
05-01-2007, 08:22 PM
I enjoy how everyone went from liking Trent and thinking he was a class guy to wanting to sit him on the bench with a kick me sign taped to his back.........

It didn't work out in our favor, just cut him and move on with our team and what we need to do, Trent isn't a part of it so be it, you don't make organizational decisions out of spite.

I do like him. I like him a lot.

This is business. I don't do the friend thing in business, and neither should the Chiefs.

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:22 PM
He still costs us the remainder of his signing bonus against the salary cap.

Better than 7 mil.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:22 PM
Well, if we're going to look at this from a reputation standpoint, what is the next free agent we try to sign going to think when they look at us and say "Carl made Trent Green rot on the bench for a year over a 7th round pick, I'm not sure I want to do business with someone like that"

Now that's a huge factor.......

We could become an undesirable location from free agents due to how we treat Trent Green.........

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:23 PM
You could put Jesus at QB in Miami and they wouldn't be a factor......they're the last place AFC East team.


Oh Bullshit, you never know year to year who is going to be decent or not... Their defense is more then capable of keeping them in games to keep it close... Lets give them Trent early so he can prepare and get know his offense, players and playcalling..

Yeah that sounds real smart...

unothadeal
05-01-2007, 08:23 PM
The Chiefs and the Dolphins neither one are playing for a Bowl......I'd be shocked if either made the playoffs.......hell I'd be shocked if Miami didn't finish last.

It's not like we're making a team a threat to our bowl run here.....
I'm sure you said the same thing about the Saints 2 years ago.

Easy 6
05-01-2007, 08:24 PM
I enjoy how everyone went from liking Trent and thinking he was a class guy to wanting to sit him on the bench with a kick me sign taped to his back.........

It didn't work out in our favor, just cut him and move on with our team and what we need to do, Trent isn't a part of it so be it, you don't make organizational decisions out of spite.

You make a good point here, but isnt some of this spite coming from Trent himself???

Sure, he doesnt want to be a 5th wheel here, but how can he expect us to take basically nothing for him???

Something doesnt add up.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:24 PM
I'm sure you said the same thing about the Saints 2 years ago.

There's a huge difference in the AFC and NFC.......that team is in the division with the Pats......

Hell I'd think the Chiefs could make a run in the NFC.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:24 PM
Now that's a huge factor.......

We could become an undesirable location from free agents due to how we treat Trent Green.........



Every team does this, this is not fantasyland.. You make it seem like the Chiefs are the only team in the entire NFL to do this to a former player.. Do you have your Miami Dolphins Trent Green jersey already bought or something???

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:25 PM
You make a good point here, but isnt some of this spite coming from Trent himself???

Sure, he doesnt want to be a 5th wheel here, but how can he expect us to take basically nothing for him???

Something doesnt add up.

Trent just wants outta here I don't think he really cares. Since we didn't trade him like he thought we would now he has to play the leverage he has.

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:25 PM
Is it right that if he is on the roster after June 1, his 2007 salary goes against the cap even if he doesn't play and the Chiefs don't pay him?

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:25 PM
Now that's a huge factor.......

We could become an undesirable location from free agents due to how we treat Trent Green.........

And Trent Green somehow escapes any culpability for this? Refusing to renegotiate for any team but the one he wants to go to?

How is the Chiefs organization the bad guy here?

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Every team does this, this is not fantasyland.. You make it seem like the Chiefs are the only team in the entire NFL to do this to a former player.. Do you have your Miami Dolphins Trent Green jersey already bought or something???

Ok how many players have been sat on the bench out of spite after already working out a contract for another team when expecting a trade?

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:26 PM
the 10 post n00b got a 100 reply thread
somewhere an old man is grinding his false teeth

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:26 PM
I enjoy how everyone went from liking Trent and thinking he was a class guy to wanting to sit him on the bench with a kick me sign taped to his back.........

No kidding, I didn't want to get into this, but the dogs have really turned on Trent Green.

This is a guy who was one of the best QBs in the NFL for several years, gave us the best years of his career, and was continuously screwed over by our inability to assemble a defense. He could have went to any of 5 or 6 other teams and maybe gotten his super bowl instead of coming here. And all during that time, all he did was be a perfect teammate and a total professional. You never once heard him blame someone else, he conducted himself like one of the classiest guys ever to play the game.

Everyone thought that Al Davis was being ridiculous making Jerry Porter sit, when Porter was being an ahole through the whole deal, parking in the owner's parking space and everything else. How ridiculous would it be to give Trent Green that treatment?

The guy's not some dick or a cancer or someone who never gave us anything. He deserves a modicum of respect and equity from the team.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Well, if we're going to look at this from a reputation standpoint, what is the next free agent we try to sign going to think when they look at us and say "Carl made Trent Green rot on the bench for a year over a 7th round pick, I'm not sure I want to do business with someone like that"


First off, several teams have done this in the past...

Second off, I did not state to keep him all year.. Cut his ass after the last preseason game...

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Trent just wants outta here I don't think he really cares.

Which is why he'll renegotiate if he wants to play ANYWHERE this season. He doesn't have a choice.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:26 PM
And Trent Green somehow escapes any culpability for this? Refusing to renegotiate for any team but the one he wants to go to?

How is the Chiefs organization the bad guy here?

Players don't look at it that way.......such as Corey Dillon asked the Pats to cut him so they did.

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:27 PM
And Trent Green somehow escapes any culpability for this? Refusing to renegotiate for any team but the one he wants to go to?

How is the Chiefs organization the bad guy here?

Who are the other teams that are bidding on him?

CoMoChief
05-01-2007, 08:28 PM
Chicago, they want to win a Superbowl now.


Not so sure about that now at least with Terry Shea out of the picture there. He'd be off of our hands in a New York min if he was still there though.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:28 PM
Who are the other teams that are bidding on him?

This is the misconception, Trent Green has no value right now. That is why we can't get anything for him.

Brock
05-01-2007, 08:28 PM
No kidding, I didn't want to get into this, but the dogs have really turned on Trent Green.

Hey, this is nothing personal. The dolphins are our competition, there is no reason whatsoever to help them.

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:28 PM
Valiant, did you get my PM?

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:29 PM
I can't believe that I'm alone on an issue with Mecca.

We're not going to get anything for him. We gain nothing by keeping him until the end of training camp and then cutting him. The only reason for Carl to do that is just to be an asshole.

That isn't going to work to our advantage in the end, and Green deserves better than that.

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:29 PM
Players don't look at it that way.......such as Corey Dillon asked the Pats to cut him so they did.

From what I know, the players look at it as a business, too.

How much was Corey Dillon scheduled to make?

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:30 PM
Who are the other teams that are bidding on him?

If he's willing to restructure, I'm sure there are a lot of teams that would be willing to take him.

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:30 PM
Hey, this is nothing personal. The dolphins are our competition, there is no reason whatsoever to help them.

It's not like we're doing them a favor, we either cut him now or later. Later is no advantage to us, so why not just move on?

Alphaman
05-01-2007, 08:30 PM
He'll have to be cut by June 1st or his salary will be on the books for next year. I'd still almost rather pay it than let those Miami f***s have him for nothing.

I keep hearing this and it is simply not true. His salary in on the books if he is on the roster the first game of the season. June 1st is the day we can spread his cap hit over 2 seasons if he is cut or traded. We can hold him until the last cutdown with cap ramifications.

Please provide a link for proof it is otherwise.

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:31 PM
I do like him. I like him a lot.

This is business. I don't do the friend thing in business, and neither should the Chiefs.

I agree.

I'm not mad at Trent for looking out for #1.
And I expect the Chiefs to hold him as long as possible before cutting him to make him a less viable option for another team, as long as it doesn't make our cap suffer.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:31 PM
Ok how many players have been sat on the bench out of spite after already working out a contract for another team when expecting a trade?


Are you stupid??? Do you just make shit up in your head???

Where did I say we are going to keep Trent the whole year???

------------------------------

Franchised Players who are pissed they got franchised will not play in the first ten games, and then comeback just so they can complete their season with the team...

This shit happens all the time, you are just deluded when it comes to negotiations...


Trent is a class guy, but this is a business move...

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:31 PM
If he's willing to restructure, I'm sure there are a lot of teams that would be willing to take him.

If he's willing to look at other teams, then the hell with Miami and lets get that deal done.

But if he's got no suitors, then what's the point in drawing this out?

Brock
05-01-2007, 08:31 PM
It's not like we're doing them a favor, we either cut him now or later. Later is no advantage to us, so why not just move on?

Later is a disadvantage to them. A big disadvantage.

Silock
05-01-2007, 08:32 PM
We're not going to get anything for him. We gain nothing by keeping him until the end of training camp and then cutting him. The only reason for Carl to do that is just to be an asshole.

That isn't going to work to our advantage in the end, and Green deserves better than that.

No, he doesn't. He'd deserve better than that if he were willing to negotiate with any team in order to play football. He's the one putting us in a tough spot by forcing us to trade him where he wants to go. That's putting Trent Green ahead of the Chiefs organization, and that's not a wise business decision.

In business terms, he "deserves" nothing.

Easy 6
05-01-2007, 08:32 PM
the 10 post n00b got a 100 reply thread
somewhere an old man is grinding his false teeth

... LMAO ...

siberian khatru
05-01-2007, 08:32 PM
He could have went to any of 5 or 6 other teams and maybe gotten his super bowl instead of coming here.

Are you implying he was a FA? We traded a No. 1 pick for him.

Alphaman
05-01-2007, 08:32 PM
It's not like we're doing them a favor, we either cut him now or later. Later is no advantage to us, so why not just move on?

Why help out an AFC foe? Cut him too late for him to develop any timing with their receivers or really click in the offense.

If his agent wants to keep spouting off and trying to force the issue, dig in deeper. His agent should have been working the Miami side as well to get a deal done.

The Bad Guy
05-01-2007, 08:33 PM
As I said in another thread...

Trent Green can **** off.

This organization paid him tons of money. They gave up a #1 pick for his services when he couldn't even walk.

He never would have made the coin he made here elsewhere because he wouldn't have had 10 years to throw behind anyone elses offensive line.

Now he wants to dictate things? He wants to declare where he will go and he won't?

He's a bastard. Instead of working with the organization who gave him a real shot at anything, he decides to be a dick.

**** Miami too.

Brock
05-01-2007, 08:33 PM
I keep hearing this and it is simply not true. His salary in on the books if he is on the roster the first game of the season. June 1st is the day we can spread his cap hit over 2 seasons if he is cut or traded. We can hold him until the last cutdown with cap ramifications.

Please provide a link for proof it is otherwise.

This is correct.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:34 PM
I can't believe that I'm alone on an issue with Mecca.

We're not going to get anything for him. We gain nothing by keeping him until the end of training camp and then cutting him. The only reason for Carl to do that is just to be an asshole.

That isn't going to work to our advantage in the end, and Green deserves better than that.


We gain the fact that Miami will not have a quality QB that knows their system for the first month...

All this BS that Mecca spews about knowing Miami will not be a factor is laughable..

None of us know if Miami will be a factor next year... Why give them chance to be by cutting Trent early???

Brock
05-01-2007, 08:34 PM
As I said in another thread...

Trent Green can **** off.

This organization paid him tons of money. They gave up a #1 pick for his services when he couldn't even walk.

He never would have made the coin he made here elsewhere because he wouldn't have had 10 years to throw behind anyone elses offensive line.

Now he wants to dictate things? He wants to declare where he will go and he won't?

He's a bastard. Instead of working with the organization who gave him a real shot at anything, he decides to be a dick.

**** Miami too.

I agree with the **** miami part. Strongly.

siberian khatru
05-01-2007, 08:34 PM
If he's willing to look at other teams, then the hell with Miami and lets get that deal done.

But if he's got no suitors, then what's the point in drawing this out?

Is Miami the only suitor because they're the only team interested -- or has every other team been told by Green and his agent that they're not interested in negotiating a new contract with them?

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:34 PM
Are you implying he was a FA? We traded a No. 1 pick for him.

I realize that, I'm being over simplistic, but he could have ended up somewhere else. He had trade value at that time.

suds79
05-01-2007, 08:34 PM
Ah just let Miami go through all their workouts without Trent then. Hold him until the last minute.

If they're going to be like that, then we'll screw them. :hump:

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:35 PM
You do know Herm Edwards was a Jet
left the Jets in good standing
why would he want to help the Fins

siberian khatru
05-01-2007, 08:37 PM
I realize that, I'm being over simplistic, but he could have ended up somewhere else. He had trade value at that time.

Could he?

He was rehabbing a knee. We offered a No. 1, primarily because our new coach had full personal faith in Green.

Were other teams offering a No. 1? How many teams were offering anything at all? Does anyone remember?

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:38 PM
Is Miami the only suitor because they're the only team interested -- or has every other team been told by Green and his agent that they're not interested in negotiating a new contract with them?

That is the key. If he would be willing to go to Cleveland or Detroit or wherever, then that changes everything.

It doesn't sound like that though... I don't remember the last time I read anything about another team being in the mix.

My guess is that Carl will try to do that, and then cut him when they've explored all options. I don't think he'll just give Green the stiff one-eye for fun. Bad PR.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:38 PM
Players don't look at it that way.......such as Corey Dillon asked the Pats to cut him so they did.


No team wants Dillon and I believe no team has signed him to be their starter or wants him to be their starter...

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:39 PM
You do know Herm Edwards was a Jet
left the Jets in good standing
why would he want to help the Fins

Define good standing.

I don't remember it that way.

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:39 PM
Could he?

He was rehabbing a knee. We offered a No. 1, primarily because our new coach had full personal faith in Green.

Were other teams offering a No. 1? How many teams were offering anything at all? Does anyone remember?

But couldn't he have said 'I don't want to play in Kansas City' and that would have effectively nixed the deal?

We gave up compensation but he still chose to come here, more or less.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:41 PM
I agree with the **** miami part. Strongly.


No I would not say **** Green, Trent is just playing his part...

Carl is playing his part also for the Chiefs...

Guess what I am going to keep being a Chiefs fan after Trent leaves.. I wish the guy well, but I do not want to see CP help another team get better just because he was a nice guy...

Frankie
05-01-2007, 08:41 PM
Topic was about Green still being a Chief.

Clayton talked about how the Dolphins are just waiting till June / July for Kansas City to cut him and basically is why deal did not happen.
I call bullshit. Miami needs to bring him into the program asap. By July, he won't be ready for their first 6 games.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:43 PM
They traded him for a fourth round draft pick
he was not fired -how was he in bad standing

siberian khatru
05-01-2007, 08:43 PM
But couldn't he have said 'I don't want to play in Kansas City' and that would have effectively nixed the deal?

We gave up compensation but he still chose to come here, more or less.

I guess he could've refused to play for St. Louis. But he was under contract. Did he redo the deal with us? Or did we absorb the existing contract? Again, I don't recall.

I think the circumstances were much different. I don't think he had permission to shop himself. He was under contract with the Rams. Luckily for the Rams, we just hired DV, who loved Green.

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:47 PM
They traded him for a fourth round draft pick
he was not fired -how was he in bad standing

They were openly complaining that Herm and the Chiefs tampered.
It wasn't very pretty.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:49 PM
so Herm wants to help the fins
by trading Green to them
just to **** with the Jets' org

Valiant
05-01-2007, 08:49 PM
I would trade Trent tomorrow if it were a conditional pick...

7th for just signing
6th for making the team
5 playing 4 games
4 playing 8 games
3 playing 12 games
2 making playoffs
1 making probowl

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:51 PM
2 1sts if he is
Come Back Player of the Year

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:51 PM
so Herm wants to help the fins
by trading Green to them
just to **** with the Jets' org

No, I was just pointing out that it wasn't a very pleasant split.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 08:52 PM
no, you were spinning your wheels

Cochise
05-01-2007, 08:52 PM
anyway, I think everyone has made their point... I don't think we should keep him past the day when we have anything to gain by doing so. If there are other trade opportunities then ok, hang onto him and explore those.

Mecca
05-01-2007, 08:52 PM
Ok this is my total view.....

In Trent's entire time here I've viewed him as a good face for our organization and a class guy who I have alot of respect for.

After last season, the Chiefs tell the guy they're looking to go in a different direction, they let him talk to Miami and negotiate a deal with them. Then as an organization we play chicken with Miami in a trade offer. That's fine get what you can, Miami calls our bluff and leaves us holding the bag.

Now Trent is understandably upset thinking he was going to be traded as he was told, and we actually have posters acting like he's a dick for, how would you react in this spot?

I think the only amicable thing here to do is basically admit it didn't work out and let Trent go and wish him the best in his future endeavors.

I'd like to remember the good things about Trent Green not a year of him sitting on the bench and everyone ragging him........

mdstu
05-01-2007, 08:57 PM
no, you were spinning your wheels

That could be true, too.
It happens sometimes.

Buehler445
05-01-2007, 09:02 PM
I think if Trent really wants to continue to play, and it becomes fairly obvious that a Miami deal is not in the cards, he will open himself up for other teams, be a backup for us, or retire. I don't think it has to be a blood and guts war over the deal. Sometimes trades don't work out

Brock
05-01-2007, 09:04 PM
That could be true, too.
It happens sometimes.

Please ignore blueballs. He's an idiot.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 09:04 PM
go **** a goat
Brock of shit

beer bacon
05-01-2007, 09:09 PM
I enjoy how everyone went from liking Trent and thinking he was a class guy to wanting to sit him on the bench with a kick me sign taped to his back.........

It didn't work out in our favor, just cut him and move on with our team and what we need to do, Trent isn't a part of it so be it, you don't make organizational decisions out of spite.

Funny how that works. Trent and his agent start acting like pricks, and people start calling them pricks. Crazy eh?

Tribal Warfare
05-01-2007, 09:13 PM
Keep Green ..... if he refuses to play then he sits out and costs us nada.

gotta send a message that we won't be taken advantage of in trades.


I totally agree it's about honor now. I'm willing to take the cap hit too

blueballs
05-01-2007, 09:17 PM
I have been a hardend hearted fool
all Green wants is to have a porpose
on his head, with a helmet on it

mdstu
05-01-2007, 09:18 PM
Funny how that works. Trent and his agent start acting like pricks, and people start calling them pricks. Funny eh?

Trent the new T.O.

Carl strokes his ego, gives special treatment.
Ignores his crazy antics.

Oh wait no. I must have been thinking of someone else. Trent was ready to come to work this year and honor his contract, but we didn't want him anymore. Funny how this gets left out of all the Trent is a cock sucker discussions.

This is a two way street. Neither side is to blame. They both have the right to look after themselves.

ROYC75
05-01-2007, 09:19 PM
How will Trent ever make the ROF at Arrowhead if this keeps going on ?

ChiefaRoo
05-01-2007, 09:19 PM
go **** a goat
Brock of shit


Hey, hey, hey. Skip is the only goat fu**er on this message board. Lets just get that straight right now.

Brock
05-01-2007, 09:20 PM
go **** a goat
Brock of shit

Thanks for proving my point.

blueballs
05-01-2007, 09:21 PM
then he can skip ****ing the goat
and **** Skip while he is ****ing the goat

blueballs
05-01-2007, 09:22 PM
piss off you
tampon licking baboon

kc-nd
05-01-2007, 09:25 PM
To me this is simple.

Peterson allowed Trent to test the market. Trent held up his end of the deal, and worked out a contract agreement with Miami (indicating that Miami indeed did want him).

However, where this deal failed, is that when the gut check came, Miami did not come through with a draft compromise.

If Trent Green or his agent come to talk to Peterson, Carl can lay that scenario out. Miami is the one that balked, not the Chiefs.

In the meantime, if nothing happens, Carl would be wise to not release Trent Green - or he is going to look weak and others are not going to respect him.

Valiant
05-01-2007, 09:30 PM
Ok this is my total view.....

In Trent's entire time here I've viewed him as a good face for our organization and a class guy who I have alot of respect for.

After last season, the Chiefs tell the guy they're looking to go in a different direction, they let him talk to Miami and negotiate a deal with them. Then as an organization we play chicken with Miami in a trade offer. That's fine get what you can, Miami calls our bluff and leaves us holding the bag.

Now Trent is understandably upset thinking he was going to be traded as he was told, and we actually have posters acting like he's a dick for, how would you react in this spot?

I think the only amicable thing here to do is basically admit it didn't work out and let Trent go and wish him the best in his future endeavors.

I'd like to remember the good things about Trent Green not a year of him sitting on the bench and everyone ragging him........


Trent did nothing wrong, he is a classy guy.. The bottom line is you are either a Trent guy, or an organization guy...

I love Trent and he will be in the ROF after he retires for us, but I am sticking by the organization on this one... For the sole fact I do not want to give the Fins a chance to get better early on... We can debate about whether they might be good or not, but the bottom line is we do not want to help out another AFC team..

If Trent had the deal in place with a NFC team the trade/release might have already have happened...

penchief
05-01-2007, 09:30 PM
I haven't read this whole thread so I hope I don't repeat somebody else's sentiment exactly. But.....

Let's keep him even during the season if we have to. Trent earned his money for past performance alone. I don't begrudge him what he has already earned in my mind. If we don't need the money to further better our team this year, then keep him. He just might come in damn handy.

He thinks he's the one calling the shots but if Carl is willing to pay him his 7.2 mil for past performance and as an insurance policy while Brodie gets his feet wet, what is Trent going to do? Piss in his own Cheerios?

If we take him into the season without submitting to Miami's insulting offer, then Trent may reconsider his stance about dealing with other teams. And we might be a better team for it. Or maybe if Trent and Cam want each other bad enough, Miami will cough up a 4th and a conditonal pick in '08.

If not, let the bidding begin after the season starts. We'll see if Trent wants to wallow away his last couple productive years as a backup. All I know is that Miami has been low class throughout this entire episode. And Trent's silence has dimmed my view of him as a Chief. He appears to be willing to overlook his legacy with his KC fans in order to give his friend leverage against the team that handed him the keys to his first car.

Kudos to Carl Peterson.

cdcox
05-01-2007, 09:32 PM
I'd hold him until the end of training camp.

Then take out his knee.

(complete and total joke)

dtebbe
05-01-2007, 09:38 PM
To me this is simple.

Peterson allowed Trent to test the market. Trent held up his end of the deal, and worked out a contract agreement with Miami (indicating that Miami indeed did want him).

However, where this deal failed, is that when the gut check came, Miami did not come through with a draft compromise.

If Trent Green or his agent come to talk to Peterson, Carl can lay that scenario out. Miami is the one that balked, not the Chiefs.

In the meantime, if nothing happens, Carl would be wise to not release Trent Green - or he is going to look weak and others are not going to respect him.

I totally agree. If Dante Hall is worth a 5th, Trent is worth at least a 4th. The 6th round pick was an insult.

DT

OnTheWarpath58
05-01-2007, 09:45 PM
I haven't read this whole thread so I hope I don't repeat somebody else's sentiment exactly. But.....

Let's keep him even during the season if we have to. Trent earned his money for past performance alone. I don't begrudge him what he has already earned in my mind. If we don't need the money to further better our team this year, then keep him. He just might come in damn handy.

He thinks he's the one calling the shots but if Carl is willing to pay him his 7.2 mil for past performance and as an insurance policy while Brodie gets his feet wet, what is Trent going to do? Piss in his own Cheerios?

If we take him into the season without submitting to Miami's insulting offer, then Trent may reconsider his stance about dealing with other teams. And we might be a better team for it. Or maybe if Trent and Cam want each other bad enough, Miami will cough up a 4th and a conditonal pick in '08.

If not, let the bidding begin after the season starts. We'll see if Trent wants to wallow away his last couple productive years as a backup. All I know is that Miami has been low class throughout this entire episode. And Trent's silence has dimmed my view of him as a Chief. He appears to be willing to overlook his legacy with his KC fans in order to give his friend leverage against the team that handed him the keys to his first car.

Kudos to Carl Peterson.

Exactly.

How exactly are the Chiefs the "bad guys" in this?

They allowed Trent to speak with other teams. It's not KC's fault the only place he's willing to play is Miami. That would be like telling my boss that I'm willing to relocate, but only to Hawaii. It's gonna be hard for him to fulfill that request when I've only given him 1 option.

They also were willing to actually negotiate trade terms. Miami clearly was not. Negotiation started at a 2nd and a 7th as our asking price and Miami counter-offering a 7th.

Carl lowered that asking price down to a 4th, Miami was still stuck on a 7th. What else was Carl to do, give him away?

I really like Trent, but this is a business. And even Trent is smart enough to know that it is bad business to just cave in and help your competition. If he wants to play in Miami that bad, and Miami TRULY wants him as badly as they claim, (which I'm really starting to wonder) he and his agent should be begging the Dolphins to make a reasonable offer for the services of a STARTING QB.

Otherwise, be prepared to deal with the consequences of being cut in late August, and being worthless to your new team for the first 6 weeks of the season.

The ball is in Trent's court, as far as I'm concerned. How bad does he want out of KC? How bad does he want to play in Miami? Carl has done his job to perfection, IMO.

This so-called game of chicken is far from over.

SDChief
05-01-2007, 10:07 PM
not only would holding on to Trent hurt his progress this year, but imagine going to training camp with a bunch of QBs that you know are not going to be your starters this year. how would you feel as a coach knowing you don't have a starting caliber qb on your roster at the beginning of training camp. If they start training camp with no QB that is basically telling their fans, and the vets on their team that this is a wasted year. The fans are already overjoyed about their draft. They will have to hold on to a gimpy Culpepper who already knows he isn't wanted. We can keep trent as a camp arm and he can throw to the practice squad players. I think that Carl thinks the chiefs still have a little leverage because of this. If Miami sticks to their guns and go to training camp with the qbs they have fine you can have trent at the last possible minute, and good luck trent and good luck miami. I don't feel sorry for trent, he should be telling his agent to work miami to get a deal done, not just having him run it up kc's rear in the press every day. I'm sure the talk radio in miami is all a buzz about how many games they are going to win with a new coach, system, and no qb.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-01-2007, 10:25 PM
Why? What has Trent ever done to punish him? We should punish him because we told him we wanted to trade him (= we don't want you) and he wants to go be a starter some where? (Miami is the only real starting option for him as far as teams that have shown any interest)


Or is it we should punish Trent because Miami played hardball with us?

What an ass he is. :rolleyes:


Maybe you're misinformed. Let's clarify the situation. Trent Green refused to renegotiate with any team other than the Dolphins, that includes the Chiefs. Cleveland wanted him, he refused to talk to them. He may have affected not only how many draft picks we had, but also our entire draft since Cleveland moved in front of us to get Brady Quinn. I've said this before and I'm gonna say it again.

If we really believe that Brodie Croyle is going to be our long term solution to QB for the Chiefs then he needs to play. Not this year though. We need to continue rebuilding our line and not put him in the position of a David Carr. You know, where he can't succeed because it's hard to throw downfield from your back. Trent's salary is accounted for. Pay the man, he's earned it. If he gets Geathered again during his swan song and big payday so be it.

Hey it's business. He should understand that all too well since he blackballed us in the first place. Let's put Croyle in a position to succeed. Throwing him to the wolves this year with the line we have isn't going to cut it. It could vary well ruin him with the injury history he has.

Let it be clear to LJ his payday is coming at the end of the year. We'll give Miami Trent for free next year. Not this year. Let's watch Cleo Lemon lead the Dolphins to a really high draft pick, and protect our QBOTF in the process.

orange
05-01-2007, 10:31 PM
Passing
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
Cleo Lemon
2006 Dolphins 4 1 68 38 55.9 412 6.06 38 2 1 5/24 5 0 77.6

Trent Green
2006 Chiefs 8 8 198 121 61.1 1342 6.78 39 7 9 24/127 13 0 74.1


Where's the big upgrade?

penchief
05-01-2007, 10:37 PM
Passing
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
Cleo Lemon
2006 Dolphins 4 1 68 38 55.9 412 6.06 38 2 1 5/24 5 0 77.6

Trent Green
2006 Chiefs 8 8 198 121 61.1 1342 6.78 39 7 9 24/127 13 0 74.1


Where's the big upgrade?

Go for it, then. Why are you here trying to convince us that Trent isn't worth more than a sixth? It shouldn't be any concern to you unless you really do want him.

I'd rather keep Trent for insurance anyway. We have the one quarterback that knows your new system in his sleep like the back of his hand. Plus, (regardless of his age) he's low mileage.

We hold all the cards at this point. The fish's low rent tactics didn't work. The bottom line is that we have three quarterbacks on our roster that surpass any one quarterback on your roster.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-01-2007, 10:37 PM
Passing
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
Cleo Lemon
2006 Dolphins 4 1 68 38 55.9 412 6.06 38 2 1 5/24 5 0 77.6

Trent Green
2006 Chiefs 8 8 198 121 61.1 1342 6.78 39 7 9 24/127 13 0 74.1


Where's the big upgrade?


Right. Your and idiot. Go pull career stats instead of an injury plagued year for Green and answer your own question. Putting manipulative spin on the subject just makes you sound like a dumbass.

noa
05-01-2007, 10:39 PM
Passing
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
Cleo Lemon
2006 Dolphins 4 1 68 38 55.9 412 6.06 38 2 1 5/24 5 0 77.6

Trent Green
2006 Chiefs 8 8 198 121 61.1 1342 6.78 39 7 9 24/127 13 0 74.1


Where's the big upgrade?


Statistics don't lie. Clearly Cleo Lemon is the better QB. :rolleyes:

Soupnazi
05-01-2007, 10:40 PM
I gotta say that I can't feel the whole "**** Trent" part of this. I think that a lot of you guys forget that he restructured his contract like 3 times while he was here, and took a relatively light pay structure for a guy that was a 4000 yard passer for 3 straight years. He still thinks he can play. He's been a rock-solid QB, a good leader, and was under a fairly good understanding that he'd retire here. Then he takes a nasty head-shot, and people are throwing him under the bus immediately.

Look, I understand better than anyone the need to get younger and build this team for the future. But, I think that all of us would be screaming foul if we were in Trent's position. I don't really think he's screwing us if all that Miami's willing to give is a 7th round pick. We'd probably end up drafting some backup from the arena league with it anyway. I can't fault a guy who's been the best QB the organization has had since Len Dawson. Hell, I love Priest Holmes, but he's getting paid and won't step onto the field. Trent just wanted to get onto the field and keep his job.

That being said, Miami is totally being a bunch of vaginas. The way they've handled themselves in this deal has been back-door and shameless. If we're resigned to cutting Trent, I hope we wait until after the final pre-season game.

penchief
05-01-2007, 10:43 PM
I gotta say that I can't feel the whole "**** Trent" part of this. I think that a lot of you guys forget that he restructured his contract like 3 times while he was here, and took a relatively light pay structure for a guy that was a 4000 yard passer for 3 straight years. He still thinks he can play. He's been a rock-solid QB, a good leader, and was under a fairly good understanding that he'd retire here. Then he takes a nasty head-shot, and people are throwing him under the bus immediately.

Look, I understand better than anyone the need to get younger and build this team for the future. But, I think that all of us would be screaming foul if we were in Trent's position. I don't really think he's screwing us if all that Miami's willing to give is a 7th round pick. We'd probably end up drafting some backup from the arena league with it anyway. I can't fault a guy who's been the best QB the organization has had since Len Dawson. Hell, I love Priest Holmes, but he's getting paid and won't step onto the field. Trent just wanted to get onto the field and keep his job.

That being said, Miami is totally being a bunch of vaginas. The way they've handled themselves in this deal has been back-door and shameless. If we're resigned to cutting Trent, I hope we wait until after the final pre-season game.

I'm not saying, "screw Trent." I'm saying to go ahead and pay him. I'm saying, "screw the dolphins." Trent has earned his money as far as I'm concerned. He does us more good than a 6th round pick. And if he's worth more than a 6th to us, he's damned sure worth more than a 6th to Miami.

Soupnazi
05-01-2007, 10:44 PM
Passing
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
Cleo Lemon
2006 Dolphins 4 1 68 38 55.9 412 6.06 38 2 1 5/24 5 0 77.6

Trent Green
2006 Chiefs 8 8 198 121 61.1 1342 6.78 39 7 9 24/127 13 0 74.1


Where's the big upgrade?

You're f***ing kidding, right?

orange
05-01-2007, 10:46 PM
Statistics don't lie. Clearly Cleo Lemon is the better QB. :rolleyes:

Today, yes he is.

Trent Green's Currrent Value = 7th Round Draft Pick

Soupnazi
05-01-2007, 10:50 PM
I'm not saying, "screw Trent." I'm saying to go ahead and pay him. I'm saying, "screw the dolphins." Trent has earned his money as far as I'm concerned. He does us more good than a 6th round pick. And if he's worth more than a 6th to us, he's damned sure worth more than a 6th to Miami.

Wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. There are people around here that definitely have that attitude, and I just don't think it's fair. The NFL is filled with players that are screwups, self-indulged, and lazy. Trent has been a consumate team guy who gave on his end every time the organization asked him to, and now the organization will give him back none of that good will that I think he's earned.

penchief
05-01-2007, 10:50 PM
Today, yes he is.

Trent Green's Currrent Value = 7th Round Draft Pick

This is the first time I have ever uttered these words but here goes....You must be a troll because you really can't believe that.

And if you do. Just move on. You don't need Green and you sure aren't going to convince us he's worth nothing.

Soupnazi
05-01-2007, 10:52 PM
Today, yes he is.

Trent Green's Currrent Value = 7th Round Draft Pick

What was it that the dolphins just gave up for a freaking punt returner again?

You're trying to sell a refrigerator to an eskimo, a-hole.

orange
05-01-2007, 10:55 PM
What was it that the dolphins just gave up for a freaking punt returner again?

You're trying to sell a refrigerator to an eskimo, a-hole.

Who cares what they gave up for anyone else? Theres's EXACTLY ONE offer for Trent Green - 7th Round Draft Pick.

Except, it's gone now, so there are NO offers for Trent Green.


[Edit] 2005 Trent Green is not available anymore. Only 2006 Trent Green - the guy coming off a terrible injury, the guy who basically sucked. If you trade for him at all, you're betting on him making a big comeback at age 37. So, it's a question of how much you're willing to risk.

Soupnazi
05-01-2007, 11:00 PM
Who cares what they gave up for anyone else? Theres's EXACTLY ONE offer for Trent Green - 7th Round Draft Pick.

Except, it's gone now, so there are NO offers for Trent Green.

OK, jackass. Have fun with another season of the Culpepper experiment. Maybe he can be the bridge between today and yet another quarterback who'll never get close to washing Marino's jock.

orange
05-01-2007, 11:01 PM
OK, jackass. Have fun with another season of the Culpepper experiment. Maybe he can be the bridge between today and yet another quarterback who'll never get close to washing Marino's jock.

Actually, I'm a Bronco fan (as in "predominantly orange").

Rausch
05-01-2007, 11:06 PM
I totally agree it's about honor now. I'm willing to take the cap hit too

Soupnazi
05-01-2007, 11:06 PM
Actually, I'm a Bronco fan (as in "predominantly orange").

Oh, I thought that was the case. Never the less, that is their option. I'm sure both fans in Miami will be really thrilled with another season of that debacle.

orange
05-01-2007, 11:11 PM
Oh, I thought that was the case. Never the less, that is their option. I'm sure both fans in Miami will be really thrilled with another season of that debacle.

I think, really, having read many Dolphins forums over the last 6 weeks, that their fans are fully expecting a debacle anyway. They are in "let's get a top 10 draft pick and rebuild" mode.

The Dolphins were 6-10, they haven't been to the playoffs in five years, and they're on their third coaching staff in that time. I think they've already cleared out something like twenty players from last year. The idea that they are in the hunt for 2007 is a myth found only on ChiefsPlanet.

Ari Chi3fs
05-01-2007, 11:11 PM
CLAYTON WENDLER WAS ON THE ESPN????!!!1111ONE

Tribal Warfare
05-01-2007, 11:16 PM
If they want to F*CK us then make them suffer by not cutting Trent

Soupnazi
05-01-2007, 11:18 PM
The idea that they are in the hunt for 2007 is a myth found only on ChiefsPlanet.

I don't think anyone here is expecting them to compete in a division with the Patriots, but we're just thinking it might be nice to have Miami actually pay something to get him instead of using these burn-the-village, pillage-the-houses, ****-your mother in the rear while we're forced to watch tactics that they're using right now.

orange
05-01-2007, 11:19 PM
They made an actual offer for a guy they're sure you're going to cut. How is that f*cking KC?

carlos3652
05-01-2007, 11:20 PM
My take on this is...

Keep Green as long as we can to not help Miami... I dont care if Miami gets him for free, but if he doesnt attend tc and play in the preseason games, he will not be good for game 1, he is a slow starter anyway...

I love trent , I love the chiefs, but no reason to hold him all year, but no reason to let him go early anyway...

**** Miami...

Mecca
05-01-2007, 11:23 PM
I actually agree with that guys take.......

Other trades don't matter regardless of what you think is dumb or not they do not reflect on any other....

If you offer Trent Green and the only offer you get is a 7th round pick.......that's what his value is.

bigbucks24
05-01-2007, 11:29 PM
I gotta say that I can't feel the whole "**** Trent" part of this. I think that a lot of you guys forget that he restructured his contract like 3 times while he was here, and took a relatively light pay structure for a guy that was a 4000 yard passer for 3 straight years. He still thinks he can play. He's been a rock-solid QB, a good leader, and was under a fairly good understanding that he'd retire here. Then he takes a nasty head-shot, and people are throwing him under the bus immediately.

Look, I understand better than anyone the need to get younger and build this team for the future. But, I think that all of us would be screaming foul if we were in Trent's position. I don't really think he's screwing us if all that Miami's willing to give is a 7th round pick. We'd probably end up drafting some backup from the arena league with it anyway. I can't fault a guy who's been the best QB the organization has had since Len Dawson. Hell, I love Priest Holmes, but he's getting paid and won't step onto the field. Trent just wanted to get onto the field and keep his job.

That being said, Miami is totally being a bunch of vaginas. The way they've handled themselves in this deal has been back-door and shameless. If we're resigned to cutting Trent, I hope we wait until after the final pre-season game.
How have the Dolphins been shameless in this? I might have missed something, but as far as I know, the offered a 7th round choice. Then the offered a 6th round choice. I don't remember them saying anything else about the matter. It seems to me that the only thing they didn't do is give you what you wanted. I know that isn't popular with people (not getting what they wanted) but it is their right to offer only what they think is fair compensation. And yes, it is your right to hold onto Trent until the last possible second or to keep Trent and make him play or sit this year. I understand that. I just don't understand how Miami is underhanded.

bigbucks24
05-01-2007, 11:41 PM
I think, really, having read many Dolphins forums over the last 6 weeks, that their fans are fully expecting a debacle anyway. They are in "let's get a top 10 draft pick and rebuild" mode.

The Dolphins were 6-10, they haven't been to the playoffs in five years, and they're on their third coaching staff in that time. I think they've already cleared out something like twenty players from last year. The idea that they are in the hunt for 2007 is a myth found only on ChiefsPlanet.
As an avid poster on Finheaven.com, I haven't seen anyone that thinks we have a prayer of making the playoffs. Yes, worst to first has happened--I just don't see it. Most of the people that I read would like to have Trent, but very few (if any) are willing to give up draft picks for him. Why? Because we are rebuilding--just like the Chiefs. Have the Chiefs traded away any draft picks this year? No. In fact, they are having a yard sale to trade just about anyone o the roster. And what do you want in return? Good players? Old players? Ex-pro bowlers? No. You want draft picks. Because you are rebuilding. So why do you think it is so assanine that we don't want to trade draft picks either? What would you think if the Chiefs were trying to trade draft picks for Edgerrin James to back up LJ? Would you take him on the cheap? Probably. But to trade for him? Doubt anyone on here would be happy about that. My take, keep him. Let's both teams move on. Let's see what Cleo has. Let's see if Dante can heal and give us anything. Let's see what Beck has. We're going nowhere with any of them or Trent. Let's all keep our draft picks and move on. We deal with roulette QB's and you can deal with the Trent fallout.

Edit: Screw Miami (I forgot the mandatory screw Miami for this thread)

Mr. Kotter
05-02-2007, 12:04 AM
How have the Dolphins been shameless in this? I might have missed something, but as far as I know, the offered a 7th round choice. Then the offered a 6th round choice. I don't remember them saying anything else about the matter. It seems to me that the only thing they didn't do is give you what you wanted. I know that isn't popular with people (not getting what they wanted) but it is their right to offer only what they think is fair compensation. And yes, it is your right to hold onto Trent until the last possible second or to keep Trent and make him play or sit this year. I understand that. I just don't understand how Miami is underhanded.
Purely and simply, Miami wants something for nothing. It's really that simple.

As a starting caliber quarterback, who'll do a good job mentoring the youngsters in THE system....if that's not worth a 4th Rounder, then take a friggin' hike.

If I were the Chiefs, I'd do whatever it takes to make sure Green doesn't land in Miami. Period. End of story.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-02-2007, 12:06 AM
As an avid poster on Finheaven.com, I haven't seen anyone that thinks we have a prayer of making the playoffs. Yes, worst to first has happened--I just don't see it. Most of the people that I read would like to have Trent, but very few (if any) are willing to give up draft picks for him. Why? Because we are rebuilding--just like the Chiefs. Have the Chiefs traded away any draft picks this year? No. In fact, they are having a yard sale to trade just about anyone o the roster. And what do you want in return? Good players? Old players? Ex-pro bowlers? No. You want draft picks. Because you are rebuilding. So why do you think it is so assanine that we don't want to trade draft picks either? What would you think if the Chiefs were trying to trade draft picks for Edgerrin James to back up LJ? Would you take him on the cheap? Probably. But to trade for him? Doubt anyone on here would be happy about that. My take, keep him. Let's both teams move on. Let's see what Cleo has. Let's see if Dante can heal and give us anything. Let's see what Beck has. We're going nowhere with any of them or Trent. Let's all keep our draft picks and move on. We deal with roulette QB's and you can deal with the Trent fallout.

Edit: Screw Miami (I forgot the mandatory screw Miami for this thread)


I don't blame Mueller at all for this. I blame Trent Green. He's the one that put KC in this situation with his refusal to negotiate with any other team than the one Terry Shea works for. That's fine. I think Randy is doing what he should be doing. I just think it's going to backfire in everyone's face. I think the only winner out of this will be Brodie Croyle who won't be the one eaten alive this year with a subpar line. Trent and Cleo will.

penchief
05-02-2007, 12:08 AM
As an avid poster on Finheaven.com, I haven't seen anyone that thinks we have a prayer of making the playoffs. Yes, worst to first has happened--I just don't see it. Most of the people that I read would like to have Trent, but very few (if any) are willing to give up draft picks for him. Why? Because we are rebuilding--just like the Chiefs. Have the Chiefs traded away any draft picks this year? No. In fact, they are having a yard sale to trade just about anyone o the roster. And what do you want in return? Good players? Old players? Ex-pro bowlers? No. You want draft picks. Because you are rebuilding. So why do you think it is so assanine that we don't want to trade draft picks either? What would you think if the Chiefs were trying to trade draft picks for Edgerrin James to back up LJ? Would you take him on the cheap? Probably. But to trade for him? Doubt anyone on here would be happy about that. My take, keep him. Let's both teams move on. Let's see what Cleo has. Let's see if Dante can heal and give us anything. Let's see what Beck has. We're going nowhere with any of them or Trent. Let's all keep our draft picks and move on. We deal with roulette QB's and you can deal with the Trent fallout.

Edit: Screw Miami (I forgot the mandatory screw Miami for this thread)

I don't disagree with anything you say but why are the dolphins and Trent Green's agent going out of their way to make a big deal out of it? The chiefs haven't deserved the bad rap they've been getting in the media. They just don't want to trade Trent Green for less than what they think he's worth. That's all. Screw anybody that thinks different. That includes Miami. I don't think the dolphins have negotiated in good faith.

Why should we be criticized for keeping our own player? Why should Trent Green be able to demand a trade to a particular team when he's under contract? And why would Miami condone it?

I think the way the dolphins organization has conducted itself in these negotiations has been petty and unprofessional. I think the dolphins, Green, and Green's agent are doing all they can to pressure the chiefs into conceding to their wishes.

huskerdooz
05-02-2007, 12:11 AM
He still costs us the remainder of his signing bonus against the salary cap.

He's going to cost us the remainder of his signing bonus whether we trade him or cut him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if we cut him before June 1, we take the entire cap hit this season. If we cut him after June 1, we can split it between this season and next season. If we cut him with the final cuts after training camp and obviously before the season starts, we will only be on the hook for his signing bonus but not his salary.

There may also be some sort of roster bonus that will come into play at a particular time during the off season and since he is a vested veteran, there may also be a certain date that his entire salary is guaranteed if he is on the roster at that point.

Silock
05-02-2007, 12:11 AM
I actually agree with that guys take.......

Other trades don't matter regardless of what you think is dumb or not they do not reflect on any other....

If you offer Trent Green and the only offer you get is a 7th round pick.......that's what his value is.

That's the only offer because of Trent, not because of Miami or KC. Trent is the one that's unwilling to restructure unless he goes to Miami. So, he's the one being unreasonable here, followed by Miami in a close second. KC isn't being unreasonable. They're going to eat his salary and keep him on the bench. If Trent doesn't like that option, he restructures with another team besides Miami. It's pretty simple.

Frazod
05-02-2007, 12:11 AM
God I hope Trent just RETIRES. No cap issues, no draft pick, no us getting boned by Miami, and more importantly, no Trent getting turned into a vegetable the next time he gets Geathered.

He's already a multi-millionaire, and has a bright future ahead of him as a broadcaster. I wish he'd just do that.

Silock
05-02-2007, 12:15 AM
I don't disagree with anything you say but why are the dolphins and Trent Green's agent going out of their way to make a big deal out of it? The chiefs haven't deserved the bad rap they've been getting in the media. They just don't want to trade Trent Green for less than what they think he's worth. That's all. Screw anybody that thinks different. That includes Miami. I don't think the dolphins have negotiated in good faith.

Why should we be criticized for keeping our own player? Why should Trent Green be able to demand a trade to a particular team when he's under contract? And why would Miami condone it?

I think the way the dolphins organization has conducted itself in these negotiations has been petty and unprofessional. I think the dolphins, Green, and Green's agent are doing all they can to pressure the chiefs into conceding to their wishes.


Exactly. We traded Dante Hall for a 5th. A starting QB is certainly worth more than that. For ****'s sake, we traded RYAN ****ING SIMS for a draft pick -- surely Trent is worth more than RYAN ****ING SIMS.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-02-2007, 12:19 AM
Exactly. We traded Dante Hall for a 5th. A starting QB is certainly worth more than that. For ****'s sake, we traded RYAN ****ING SIMS for a draft pick -- surely Trent is worth more than RYAN ****ING SIMS.


Game. Set. Match. Any questions?

JohnnyV13
05-02-2007, 12:47 AM
He's going to cost us the remainder of his signing bonus whether we trade him or cut him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if we cut him before June 1, we take the entire cap hit this season. If we cut him after June 1, we can split it between this season and next season. If we cut him with the final cuts after training camp and obviously before the season starts, we will only be on the hook for his signing bonus but not his salary.

There may also be some sort of roster bonus that will come into play at a particular time during the off season and since he is a vested veteran, there may also be a certain date that his entire salary is guaranteed if he is on the roster at that point.


Actually, the collective bargaining agreement has changed. A team may designate up to two players to have a "post june 1 cut" affect, even if cut before June 1.

KChiefer
05-02-2007, 01:00 AM
Exactly. We traded Dante Hall for a 5th. A starting QB is certainly worth more than that. For ****'s sake, we traded RYAN ****ING SIMS for a draft pick -- surely Trent is worth more than RYAN ****ING SIMS.

Agreed!
Game!
Over!

RedThat
05-02-2007, 01:14 AM
First off, anyone that thinks Miami had leverage on us, needs to think again. Just because Green and his agent dictate the way they want things done, doesn't mean the Chiefs have to listen to them? The Chiefs can just turn around and say, "we have to do what's right for the Chiefs." So keep him, and don't release him? The Chiefs own his rights, they have just as much, if not more power than Green, his agent, and the Dolphins. So that right there speaks high volumes. And if the Chiefs are smart, they don't let him walk away for free. Don't let the Dolphins outsmarten you. Be SMART Kansas City. Hold onto him, and don't let other teams take advantage of you in trades or any other transaction.

The Chiefs can still play hardball with Miami all the way. But, I think the most appropriate thing to do for the Chiefs to do is retain Trent's services, and if the Dolphins are still interested they can call the Chiefs.

What I would do, is trade him, but try to get possibly an undisclosed draft pick for next year? If Green turns out to be a probowler for them, we can possibly demand a lot of value in return? If he ends up being a bust for them, then maybe that 6th round draft pick they offered didn't look so bad? Hey this is possibly the most fairest thing that could happen imo. if the Dolphins reject that, then screw them. Just keep Green, let him sit on the bench, or holdout, whatever. But I don't want to see other teams take advantage of us, or possibly laugh at us.

*The Chiefs need to make a statement here, and send their message across that they're not stupid.

Joe Seahawk
05-02-2007, 01:18 AM
The clayton show from today..

(I have noot heard it yet)

http://www.softycentral.com/ssnds2007/070501.clayton.ram

KILLER_CLOWN
05-02-2007, 01:29 AM
Every member of Chiefs Planet that is a Chiefs Fan needs to email the sound clip of Carl saying "I'm A Tough SOB negotiator" to the phin front office. This is the exact reason that we get little to no respect, I say let him Mentor Croyle next year and F*** the phinz, and Oh a big **** YOU to the espn minidix that claim they have the upperhand and we should just cut him now.

patteeu
05-02-2007, 01:43 AM
Encourage Trent to explore other trade options. If he doesn't or if he can't work anything out, keep him until the last minute before his salary becomes guaranteed and then release him.

Silock
05-02-2007, 02:04 AM
Don't let the Dolphins outsmarten you.

Would you be extremely pissed at me if I put that in my sig? ROFL

Fruit Ninja
05-02-2007, 02:09 AM
Exactly. We traded Dante Hall for a 5th. A starting QB is certainly worth more than that. For ****'s sake, we traded RYAN ****ING SIMS for a draft pick -- surely Trent is worth more than RYAN ****ING SIMS.
Silock wins this thread. Gratz winner. lol

RedThat
05-02-2007, 04:02 AM
Would you be extremely pissed at me if I put that in my sig? ROFL

No not all.

ChiefGator
05-02-2007, 04:57 AM
Without all the anger at Miami and Trent, and with the Chiefs best interest in mind, I think you have to keep Trent through training camp and preseason. Make it quite public it is open competition for the QB position. So, Trent is in just as good a position here as Miami (alright.. almost).

If Huard stays healthy and Croyle looks good, then you can cut Trent before the first game. If Huard gets injured and Croyle looks awful, we still have Trent.

He is a great insurance policy for the Chiefs... who MAY do something good this year. You never really know where your team is going to end up. We made the playoffs last year with Damon. With Green and our offseason improvements (and hopefully a couple more), we may challenge for the AFC Championship.

Crazy to cut Green now, when we may lose both our QB's.

And look at Herm's terrible (recent) history with QB injuries. I think he would argue to keep as many decent arms in the stable as long as possible.

htismaqe
05-02-2007, 08:27 AM
Actually, the collective bargaining agreement has changed. A team may designate up to two players to have a "post june 1 cut" affect, even if cut before June 1.

We may have already used those two slots. For sure, Eric Hicks is using one of them.

Frankie
05-02-2007, 09:38 AM
I would trade Trent tomorrow if it were a conditional pick...

7th for just signing
6th for making the team
5 playing 4 games
4 playing 8 games
3 playing 12 games
2 making playoffs
1 making probowl
I call that a good idea. :thumb: