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Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 06:35 PM
So I'm working with a writer on script... long story short, one of the characters is very Shakespearian -- not in looks or what he says, but the character is VERY based in a Shakespearian character, even has the same character name.

Knowing it was a Shakespearian character, would it enhance or detract from the character if he spoke normally, but in iambic pentameter?

milkman
05-12-2007, 06:43 PM
I think that's entirely dependent on the kind of movie.

luv
05-12-2007, 06:46 PM
So I'm working with a writer on script... long story short, one of the characters is very Shakespearian -- not in looks or what he says, but the character is VERY based in a Shakespearian character, even has the same character name.

Knowing it was a Shakespearian character, would it enhance or detract from the character if he spoke normally, but in iambic pentameter?
As long as the character was not associated with any of the writings that he would normally be associated with, I don't see why it would detract from anything.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 06:48 PM
I think that's entirely dependent on the kind of movie.
It's a comedy. The character is the fool in both Shakespeare's work and this one.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 06:49 PM
As long as the character was not associated with any of the writings that he would normally be associated with, I don't see why it would detract from anything.
Shakespeare is never mentioned. It wouldn't be a conscious choice for the character. It would be more of a joke for the smarter audiences.

Count Zarth
05-12-2007, 06:50 PM
Detract.

keg in kc
05-12-2007, 06:51 PM
My gut says 'bad idea', but I hate agreeing with gc.

luv
05-12-2007, 06:51 PM
Shakespeare is never mentioned. It wouldn't be a conscious choice for the character. It would be more of a joke for the smarter audiences.
Well, if the story is intentionally written that way, then of course it wouldn't detract from anything.

luv
05-12-2007, 06:54 PM
It's obvious that it depends on the viewer, as does anything. I'd say go with whatever is going to appeal to the type of viewer you're trying to please.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 06:55 PM
Detract.
Even if the lines used normal language?

Count Zarth
05-12-2007, 06:55 PM
Even if the lines used normal language?

I'd need examples.

keg in kc
05-12-2007, 06:56 PM
Even if the lines used normal language?Seems like you want to do it, so...

do it.

milkman
05-12-2007, 06:57 PM
It's a comedy. The character is the fool in both Shakespeare's work and this one.

The next question would be how big a role does this character playin the movie?

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 06:58 PM
I'd need examples.
I can't do that, the lines haven't been written. But what I mean is he doesn't use Shakespearian language. Think dialogue from any movie set in 2006. Just worded to the rhythm of iambic pentameter (10 syllables, emphasis on the second syllable = da DUM, da DUM, da DUM, da DUM, da DUM).

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 06:59 PM
The next question would be how big a role does this character playin the movie?
He's the fool. Significant, but not major.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 06:59 PM
Seems like you want to do it, so...

do it.
I do, but I don't want it to be a detriment to the film.

unothadeal
05-12-2007, 07:00 PM
Is it a common name, or something like. "Sir Gillgood Millenbottle"?

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 07:02 PM
Is it a common name, or something like. "Sir Gillgood Millenbottle"?
The character is rooted in Feste from 12th Night, also his namesake.

luv
05-12-2007, 07:03 PM
The character is rooted in Feste from 12th Night, also his namesake.
That is one of my favorites!

keg in kc
05-12-2007, 07:04 PM
I do, but I don't want it to be a detriment to the film.I don't see how it could be if it's normal english. Wouldn't be nearly as smarmy as having him talk in a bad pseudo shakespearean dialect. Doesn't exactly strike me as something that would slap people in the face. You could even make it a point to try and mask it, make it as subtle as possible.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 07:05 PM
The story also has roots in Waiting for Godot (Beckett) and The Sun Also Rises (Hemingway).

Count Zarth
05-12-2007, 07:05 PM
You elitist bastard.

unothadeal
05-12-2007, 07:05 PM
If it was a mafia crime drama you could have called him Willy Shakes

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 07:07 PM
I don't see how it could be if it's normal english. Wouldn't be nearly as smarmy as having him talk in a bad pseudo shakespearean dialect. Doesn't exactly strike me as something that would slap people in the face. You could even make it a point to try and mask it, make it as subtle as possible.
That's it, I want it to be a subtle joke. I don't think anyone would catch it if they don't catch the Shakespearian references.

This is a smart comedy, and we're working on making some subtle, smart jokes for the people that pay attention. Self-indulgent, maybe. But it will be fun.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 07:07 PM
You elitist bastard.
ROFL

luv
05-12-2007, 07:11 PM
That's it, I want it to be a subtle joke. I don't think anyone would catch it if they don't catch the Shakespearian references.

This is a smart comedy, and we're working on making some subtle, smart jokes for the people that pay attention. Self-indulgent, maybe. But it will be fun.
If he didn't have the same name, people probably wouldn't even notice. Sounds good to me.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 07:14 PM
If he didn't have the same name, people probably wouldn't even notice. Sounds good to me.
We want a big hint to be there. But a LOT of people don't know Shakespeare at all, so the name will just be weird to them.

Braincase
05-12-2007, 07:24 PM
i THINK i WANT to GO and SHOOT mySELF.

keg in kc
05-12-2007, 07:25 PM
i THINK i WANT to GO and SHOOT mySELF.Alas my friend I've heard your gun fires blanks.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 07:26 PM
i THINK i WANT to GO and SHOOT mySELF.
How long did it take you to come up with that one?

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 07:27 PM
Alas my friend I've heard your gun fires blanks.
ROFL

milkman
05-12-2007, 09:10 PM
He's the fool. Significant, but not major.

Then probably wouldn't be detracting.
Most people who don't know Shakespeare (like myself), would just consider him an eccentric.

Donger
05-12-2007, 09:12 PM
I don't know what iambic pentameter is.

Rain Man
05-12-2007, 09:25 PM
I don't know what iambic pentameter is.

All I know is that it's 25 percent better than iambic quadramater.

KcMizzou
05-12-2007, 09:27 PM
I don't know what iambic pentameter is.There are five somethings in every.... something... I think.

Glad I could help.

Donger
05-12-2007, 09:27 PM
All I know is that it's 25 percent better than iambic quadramater.

"What a piece of work is Rain Man! How noble in reason! How infinite in faculties!"

Donger
05-12-2007, 09:29 PM
There are five somethings in every.... something... I think.

Glad I could help.

Actually, I used to be able to do a bitchin' Henry V. Made the high school girls drop their panties by the end.

Too bad it wasn't for me.

Rain Man
05-12-2007, 09:32 PM
This style, it's not a thing that I could do.

Fire Me Boy!
05-12-2007, 10:25 PM
Rain Man... ROFL


Iambic pentameter is 10 syllables in a line alternating the emphasis... as explained earlier, the rhythm would be non-emphasized, emphasized for sets of ten. Like: da DUM da DUM da DUM da DUM da DUM .