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Chief Faithful
05-18-2007, 11:22 AM
Is there anyone here who really understands what the Democrats in Congress are trying to do by changing these voting rules? It appears they are frustrated by the Republicans ability to achieve "motion-to-recommit" on many Democrat sponsored bills.

Democrats to change House voting rules (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjlkMGM2YjJjMDZmMzlhMDA0YzdiM2E3ODMwZjA0NWU=)

Pelosi's Gambit [Jonah Goldberg]


Boehner's office just sent this out:

DEMOCRATS TO CHANGE 185 YEAR-OLD HOUSE RULE TO ALLOW TAX HIKES WITHOUT HAVING TO VOTE

May 16, 2007

In a stunning move, House Democrats today revealed they will attempt to rewrite House rules that have gone unchanged since 1822 in order to make it possible to increase taxes and government spending without having to vote and be held accountable. House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) today vowed Republicans will use every available means to fight this unprecedented change.

“This is an astonishing attempt by the majority leadership to duck accountability for tax-and-spend policies the American people do not want,” Boehner said. “The majority leadership is gutting House rules that have been in place for 185 years so they can raise taxes and increase government spending without a vote. House Republicans will use every tool available to fight this abuse of power.”

Last November, House Democratic leaders promised the most open, ethical Congress in history:

“[W]e promised the American people that we would have the most honest and most open government and we will.” (Nancy Pelosi press stakeout, December 6, 2006)


“We intend to have a Rules Committee ... that gives opposition voices and alternative proposals the ability to be heard and considered on the floor of the House.” (Steny Hoyer in CongressDaily PM, December 5, 2006)


The rules House Democrats are seeking to change have not been changed since 1822.

Republicans have already achieved significant legislative successes on the House floor with 11 consecutive “motion-to-recommit” victories that exposed flaws and substantively improved weaknesses in underlying Democrat bills. But rather than living by the same rules which have guided the House of Representatives for 185 years, Democrats are proposing to change the rules in order to game the system and raise taxes and increase spending without a House vote. What are House Democrats afraid of?

recxjake
05-18-2007, 11:25 AM
I think this sums it up... The Democrats won't hold the House or Senate very long...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/congress_ratings_improve_26_say_good_or_excellent

Chief Faithful
05-18-2007, 11:28 AM
Is this an example?

Murtha Accused of Rules Violations (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4068.html)

Murtha accused of rules violation
By: Patrick O'Connor
May 18, 2007 12:25 PM EST

Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) threatened to deny any further spending projects to a Republican who challenged him over an earmark last week, the GOP is charging – a potential violation of House rules that could cause a spike in partisan tensions.

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who questioned money that Murtha inserted into an intelligence bill last week, turned the tables Thursday night by saying he would call for Murtha to be reprimanded for violating House rules.

Rogers plans to insert a transcript of their exchange in the Congressional Record to document the potential violation. His resolution will also require a House vote to reprimand Murtha for his comments, according to a draft received by The Politico. Rogers is expected to file it on Monday.

It does not call for an investigation by the Ethics Committee.

'The way I do it'

According to the draft resolution, Murtha shouted at and chastised Rogers on the House floor Thursday for offering a motion last week to challenge $23 million Murtha requested in an intelligence bill.

Murtha had requested the money to prevent the administration from shuttering the National Drug Intelligence Center in Johnstown, Pa., which is part of Murtha’s district.

“I hope you don’t have any earmarks in the defense appropriations bills because they are gone, and you will not get any earmarks now and forever,” Murtha told Rogers, according to the draft transcript given to The Politico.

“This is not the way we do things here – and is that supposed to make me afraid of you?” Rogers replied.

“That’s the way I do it,” Murtha said.

The showdown occurred on the Republican side of the aisle, in the so-called Ohio Corner, in front of numerous GOP lawmakers who witnessed the episode, one member present said.

Murtha could not immediately be reached for comment.

If it took place as alleged, Murtha’s tirade could violate House rules, which forbid members from blocking earmarks based on how a colleague votes.



The Rogers resolution charges that “Mr. Murtha has been guilty of a violation of the Code of Official Conduct and merits the reprimand of the House for the same.”

This shouting match follows a similar outburst Murtha directed at Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.) last week.

Murtha yelled at Tiahrt on the House floor for voting in favor of Rogers’s motion, members and aides familiar with the incident said.

The overall controversy stems from a disagreement between Murtha and the Bush administration about closing the National Drug Intelligence Center, an intelligence gathering facility supervised by the Drug Enforcement Agency.

President Bush’s budget cut $23 million from the budget to force the agency to close the office, which has received repeated low marks from several federal review boards.

noa
05-18-2007, 11:28 AM
Looks like this won't happen, so its probably nothing to worry about.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-members-call-temporary-truce-on-procedural-battle-2007-05-16.html

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he and Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) met with Hoyer, who assured them
that the Democrats will make no changes to the rules in the next two weeks, and would not do so without consulting the minority thereafter

Chief Faithful
05-18-2007, 11:35 AM
Looks like this won't happen, so its probably nothing to worry about.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-members-call-temporary-truce-on-procedural-battle-2007-05-16.html

Thanks for the link. There is one interesting paragraph:

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he and Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) met with Hoyer, who assured them
that the Democrats will make no changes to the rules in the next two weeks, and would not do so without consulting the minority thereafter.

It seems the Democrats are working in a very partisan and unilateral mode, which is causing even more tension on 'The Hill' than usual.

noa
05-18-2007, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I would say just threatening to resort to such a tactic is a sign of the divisiveness in Congress right now.

bkkcoh
05-18-2007, 12:26 PM
That is really gonna tick a lot of people off if this goes through. It is bad enough that they pass tax increases late at night after the paper deadlines have passed. But to be able to raise taxes without a vote.

That just reeks....

jiveturkey
05-18-2007, 02:48 PM
It seems the Democrats are working in a very partisan and unilateral mode, which is causing even more tension on 'The Hill' than usual.The partisanship just started like 8 days ago. The last 6 years have been constant reach arounds and back rubs.

:rolleyes:

Amnorix
05-18-2007, 03:01 PM
It seems the Democrats are working in a very partisan and unilateral mode, which is causing even more tension on 'The Hill' than usual.


Unlike the Republicans who were bipartisan and always reached out to the minority Dems, especially int he House.


In the Senate, the minority has some power. In the House, they get shat upon. Live with it....just like we did for all those years. Sorry.

KC Dan
05-18-2007, 03:02 PM
The partisanship just started like 8 days ago. The last 6 years have been constant reach arounds and back rubs.

:rolleyes:
True but try and find any information about this latest maneuver anywhere on television. You won't until the righty wackos unveil it on O'Reilly or Beck. At least when the righties tried to change congressional rules, it was all over the media. Not one mention on air in the past 48 hours about this.

noa
05-18-2007, 03:21 PM
True but try and find any information about this latest maneuver anywhere on television. You won't until the righty wackos unveil it on O'Reilly or Beck. At least when the righties tried to change congressional rules, it was all over the media. Not one mention on air in the past 48 hours about this.


You won't see this story on the news because the issue has already been resolved.

Baby Lee
05-18-2007, 05:45 PM
You won't see this story on the news because the issue has already been resolved.
Whazzat? Valerie Plame wasn't an undercover agent?

;)