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BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 01:02 PM
Said by losers or someone like yourself?

StcChief
05-29-2007, 01:04 PM
Unforunately. Too much emphasis on the W. at too early an age in kids sports.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 01:06 PM
Unforunately. Too much emphasis on the W. at too early an age in kids sports.

I couldn't disagree more.

keg in kc
05-29-2007, 01:09 PM
It's a combination of both. People need to learn how to both win and lose gracefully.

I learned the win part. I never got a handle on losing, however. To this day, I hate to lose. I think it's hurt me in a lot of ways.

Sully
05-29-2007, 01:11 PM
I was at the in-laws house yesterday. My wife's sister and her husband have a 9-yo son who plays baseball, basketball and football.
For an hour and a half yesterday they all had to discuss his baseball team, the strategies the coach is using, the things they would have done, who should and should no tbe playing to help the team win, etc.
It was pretty disgusting to me, especially considering the fact that the kid wasn't even there. I love my in-laws, I really lucked out with them, but when my FIL mentioned that he couldn't sleep the other night thinking about a play where the kid should have run out a grounder to second better I nearly came unglued. Put this much friggin pressure on kids this age to win at all costs, including family losing sleep, and at the detriment of other kids who may not be as good not being able to even get playing time without whole families bitching and moaning, and he's gonna burn out really quick. Gonna turn into a little Todd Marinovich.
Thing is, I coach high school football, and at that point, it really does become all about winning, and that's fine. Winning is what makes it fun at that level. But a 9-yo shouldnt have to worry about his grandpa sleeping if he doesn't do the right thing on a given play, or his family heckling his buddy on the team who isn't quite as good as he is.

Planetman
05-29-2007, 01:11 PM
http://game-brains.com/images/feb14_2005/sly-deniro.jpg
Are you talkin' ta me?

Sully
05-29-2007, 01:13 PM
Bottom line is, until a certain age, teaching kids that win at all costs is the only reason to play is detrimental to their actual love of the sport.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 01:13 PM
It's a combination of both. People need to learn how to both win and lose gracefully.

I learned the win part. I never got a handle on losing, however. To this day, I hate to lose. I think it's hurt me in a lot of ways.

Nobody likes to lose but if you know you gave it everything it's easier to live with. The competetive spirit needs to be harnessed at a young age and nurtured along not pissed on for the convenience of parents who don't want to deal with it. It's our modern culture though. Little Johnny gets a little wound up give him some drugs. Whatever you do don't let Little Johnny keep track of the score of the game either. PC America at it's finest.

kepp
05-29-2007, 01:13 PM
I pretty much agree with keg. We're teaching our daughter to never give up once she starts something, but that it's okay if she doesn't always "win"...just as long as she gave it her best shot. Also teaching her to be a gracious winner. She picks up so much in preschool: "Ha, ha! I won and you lost!"

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 01:17 PM
I was at the in-laws house yesterday. My wife's sister and her husband have a 9-yo son who plays baseball, basketball and football.
For an hour and a half yesterday they all had to discuss his baseball team, the strategies the coach is using, the things they would have done, who should and should no tbe playing to help the team win, etc.
It was pretty disgusting to me, especially considering the fact that the kid wasn't even there. I love my in-laws, I really lucked out with them, but when my FIL mentioned that he couldn't sleep the other night thinking about a play where the kid should have run out a grounder to second better I nearly came unglued. Put this much friggin pressure on kids this age to win at all costs, including family losing sleep, and at the detriment of other kids who may not be as good not being able to even get playing time without whole families bitching and moaning, and he's gonna burn out really quick. Gonna turn into a little Todd Marinovich.
Thing is, I coach high school football, and at that point, it really does become all about winning, and that's fine. Winning is what makes it fun at that level. But a 9-yo shouldnt have to worry about his grandpa sleeping if he doesn't do the right thing on a given play, or his family heckling his buddy on the team who isn't quite as good as he is.

We were always competetive and won the little league championships. Everyone got to play but everyone didn't get equal time. At some point it becomes about finding a league that matches your kids level of play so he gets to as well. We didn't get where we were by rubbing our vagina's and playing PC. That's what the minors were for, keep your kid there.

Sully
05-29-2007, 01:18 PM
Yep. If your kid isn't coming out of the womb the best player on the team, relegate them to the "minors."

keg in kc
05-29-2007, 01:19 PM
Also teaching her to be a gracious winner. She picks up so much in preschool: "Ha, ha! I won and you lost!"Yeah, that's essentially what I was referring to. I've always been a gracious winner, I never put anything in anybody's face, I don't talk trash, I don't gloat, but, damn, when I lose...don't get within 20 miles of me.

Learning how to lose is important because it teaches you how to deal with failure. Because, like it or not, failure is a part of life.

As for being gracious winning, the thing to remember is that nomatter how good you are, there's always somebody better. It's about respect, too. Applying the golden rule generally works...

Sully
05-29-2007, 01:19 PM
Yeah, that's essentially what I was referring to. I've always been a gracious winner, I never put anything in anybody's face, I don't talk trash, I don't gloat, but, damn, when I lose...don't get within 20 miles of me.

Learning how to lose is important because it teaches you how to deal with failure. Because, like it or not, failure is a part of life.

As for being gracious winning, the thing to remember is that nomatter how good you are, there's always somebody better. It's about respect, too. Applying the golden rule generally works...
Rep.

Simplex3
05-29-2007, 01:21 PM
Unforunately. Too much emphasis on the W. at too early an age in kids sports.
What the hell? With all the "non-competitive" leagues you think there's TOO MUCH emphasis on winning and losing?

IMO kids need to learn that some people win and some people lose. Where is goes bad is when parents push the kids to win rather than instill a desire to win.

Sully
05-29-2007, 01:23 PM
Obviously sports is about winning, any competition is, and anyone playing should strive for the win. However, there are many other lessons to be learned from sports, other than simply winning at all costs, and some of those lessons are obscured by the parents who act as if their kid is playing in the world series every thursday night.

Saulbadguy
05-29-2007, 01:24 PM
If you don't play your hardest, you are always a loser. I'm a fatass with no athletic ability whatsoever but when I play any sort of game I always try my hardest.

keg in kc
05-29-2007, 01:27 PM
I've never had kids, so take this with a caveat, but I think you do have to keep in mind, particularly with really young kids, that (literally) teaching them how to play the game, the rules and basic techniques is a big part of the reason they're playing to begin with. And while some kids will get a grasp more quickly than others, I don't think we're necessarily talking about the difference between Joe DiMaggio and Joe Blow. It's a bunch of 4'ers who don't know which end is up half the time. When, rather than the midgets playing the game, it becomes about the parents and their egos (MY 7 year old's the best!) then I think we've lost focus on what it's really about.

Now, when they start talking about taking scoring out of middle school or even high school games, well, that's a whole different story. That destroys the whole concept of competitive sports.

htismaqe
05-29-2007, 01:29 PM
What the hell? With all the "non-competitive" leagues you think there's TOO MUCH emphasis on winning and losing?

IMO kids need to learn that some people win and some people lose. Where is goes bad is when parents push the kids to win rather than instill a desire to win.

You HAVE to walk a fine line.

Like BD said, at some point it becomes about finding a league that matches your kids level of play.

It doesn't do a kid any good to shelter them from the win/loss lesson of life. However, it also doesn't do them any good to allow them to experience loss SO MUCH that they finally give up on ever winning.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 01:30 PM
Yep. If your kid isn't coming out of the womb the best player on the team, relegate them to the "minors."

That's what the minor league is there for. You were a high school football coach my ass. Yea I was a friggen astronaut too. ROFL

kepp
05-29-2007, 01:31 PM
If you don't play your hardest, you are always a loser. I'm a fatass with no athletic ability whatsoever but when I play any sort of game I always try my hardest.
Yeah, pretty much (the "play your hardest" part...not the "fat@ss" part...I've never met you :)). That character trait wasn't really instilled in me and, during high school, I developed a habit of giving up on things once they started getting difficult. I kick myself looking back at that. If I would have stuck with it I think I could have played some college ball somewhere. Oh well...at least I can teach my kids what I wasn't taught.

RJ
05-29-2007, 01:31 PM
I couldn't disagree more.




Don't you think it kind of depends on the age of the kids?

htismaqe
05-29-2007, 01:33 PM
If you don't play your hardest, you are always a loser. I'm a fatass with no athletic ability whatsoever but when I play any sort of game I always try my hardest.

My 5-year old daughter isn't blessed with much athletic ability. God bless her, she wants to play soccer, and tee ball, and every other sport the municipal rec league offers.

She struggled with soccer through her whole first season, to the point where she wondered if she even wanted to play. I convinced her before the start of the current summer league that all she has to do is put forth maximum effort and she'll get better.

She's having more fun now than she ever did, and the highlight was her scoring 3 goals, out of her team's total of 4, two weekends ago.

The league doesn't officially keep score, but the kids do because I can hear them talking about it after the games.

Simplex3
05-29-2007, 01:34 PM
I've never had kids, so take this with a caveat, but I think you do have to keep in mind, particularly with really young kids, that (literally) teaching them how to play the game, the rules and basic techniques is a big part of the reason they're playing to begin with.
You'd be surprised how big a difference there is at that age. My 3yo son can kick my 5yo daughter's ass at any sport. He's just got MUCH better large motor control. He also headbutts walls, so go figure.

I think sports should be played in at least two levels. One level where they are on teams with one, maybe two backups and the kids are just out to learn the rules and the skills. They *should* keep score.

From there you go to a competitive league where it's not about kids getting playing time and the coach isn't teaching just fundamentals but is also teaching tactics, strategy, etc.

It would be interesting to see little league set up with drafts. We had that when I was little, it caused for much more dispersion of talent. Except for the Pepsi-sponsored team, which somehow got to pick their entire team before the draft began. They won every game they played every year. Go figure.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 01:36 PM
Don't you think it kind of depends on the age of the kids?


We could get silly and talk about toddlers but I was referring to kids who are at an age to compete on real teams.

kepp
05-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Yea I was a friggen astronaut too. ROFL
They just told you that you made it into the astronaut program so your feelings wouldn't be hurt. They actually stuck you in an old septic tank, shook it a little and parachuted you into the New Mexico desert. ...and you bought it

keg in kc
05-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Yeah, pretty much (the "play your hardest" part...not the "fat@ss" part...I've never met you :)). That character trait wasn't really instilled in me and, during high school, I developed a habit of giving up on things once they started getting difficult. I kick myself looking back at that. If I would have stuck with it I think I could have played some college ball somewhere. Oh well...at least I can do now is teach my kids what I wasn't taught.Same with me. I've always taken the path of least resistance. More about getting by than getting ahead. Although, in my case, I think it's part of my personality that I hate losing so much I refuse to play the game, so to speak. I coasted through school, coasted through college, here I am 33 years old and I still don't have any idea what I want to do with my life. I've finally come to realize that reality is that I never will do anything with my life. It's too late. And all because I never learned or even tried to do anything difficult the first half of my life, out of an irrational fear of failure.

There's a lot more to it, obivously, but I think that's a big part of it.

Sully
05-29-2007, 01:39 PM
That's what the minor league is there for. You were a high school football coach my ass. Yea I was a friggen astronaut too. ROFL
I AM a high school football coach. Right now, as we speak.

keg in kc
05-29-2007, 01:39 PM
We could get silly and talk about toddlers but I was referring to kids who are at an age to compete on real teams.Well, Troy, whoever it was that started this thread didn't exactly establish any sort of boundary in terms of ages involved. :p

cdcox
05-29-2007, 01:40 PM
If you breed the kids correctly, they'll be game by nature.

htismaqe
05-29-2007, 01:40 PM
Well, Troy, whoever it was that started this thread didn't exactly establish any sort of boundary in terms of ages involved. :p

That's because the thread starter is a loser. :D

Simplex3
05-29-2007, 01:42 PM
That's because the thread starter is a loser. :D
I say we kick his ass.

OctoberFart
05-29-2007, 01:43 PM
Ask George Steinbrenner this question.

kepp
05-29-2007, 01:47 PM
If you breed the kids correctly, they'll be game by nature.
Thanks Jimmy the Greek.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 01:47 PM
That's because the thread starter is a loser. :D
:sulk:

Sully
05-29-2007, 01:49 PM
If you breed the kids correctly, they'll be game by nature.
ROFL

cdcox
05-29-2007, 01:53 PM
Thanks Jimmy the Greek.

It was a play off of some of BD's dog threads, nothing more.

wilas101
05-29-2007, 01:59 PM
My story about winning and kids goes back to my post from last week about the coach that started yelling to his kids to take every pitch because my pitcher would walk in the winning run.


Thats the kind of horsesh*t that has hurt baseball in this area. If that guy is allowed to keep coaching he'll teach his kids to win a lot of 10 and under and maybe some 12 and under games but by the time they reach Legion or Junior Legion or high school they've been taught not to swing a bat and can no longer compete. Then it's a couple more years of coaching before they're useful again which means the teams aren't competitive which hurts the numbers of the program in turn.


My favorite moment from this summer so far was last thursday night. I had a 9 year old kid snag a line drive then turned and fired to first to double a kid up. He did it without prompting from the coaches or the stands and I like to think that he did it because we are teaching our kids to play the game correctly first and win second.

Thats the key in my opinion.

keg in kc
05-29-2007, 01:59 PM
Wait, doesn't this thread violate the terms of service?

Everyone is misspelling "loose" "looser" and "looses".

keg in kc
05-29-2007, 02:03 PM
we are teaching our kids to play the game correctly first and win second.

Thats the key in my opinion.Hmm, that's an interesting way of putting it. Teach kids that winning comes as a result of hard work and learning to play the game the right way.

Sully
05-29-2007, 02:06 PM
My story about winning and kids goes back to my post from last week about the coach that started yelling to his kids to take every pitch because my pitcher would walk in the winning run.


Thats the kind of horsesh*t that has hurt baseball in this area. If that guy is allowed to keep coaching he'll teach his kids to win a lot of 10 and under and maybe some 12 and under games but by the time they reach Legion or Junior Legion or high school they've been taught not to swing a bat and can no longer compete. Then it's a couple more years of coaching before they're useful again which means the teams aren't competitive which hurts the numbers of the program in turn.


My favorite moment from this summer so far was last thursday night. I had a 9 year old kid snag a line drive then turned and fired to first to double a kid up. He did it without prompting from the coaches or the stands and I like to think that he did it because we are teaching our kids to play the game correctly first and win second.

Thats the key in my opinion.
Yeah.
I believe that if you teach the right hings to the kids, the wins simply take care of themselves.

sedated
05-29-2007, 02:06 PM
losing is for losers

King_Chief_Fan
05-29-2007, 02:10 PM
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME

sedated
05-29-2007, 02:17 PM
And the first thing you gotta learn is that you don't listen to losers like your know-it-all teacher here.

it's the fastest who get paid and it's the fastest who get laid.

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BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 02:18 PM
If you breed the kids correctly, they'll be game by nature.

NICE!!!

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 02:28 PM
That's what the minor league is there for. You were a high school football coach my ass. Yea I was a friggen astronaut too. ROFL


Sully,
You neg repped me for this? ROFL You are officially the biggest pussy on the planet now dude. Football coach my ass, give me a friggen break. Honestly, who would want their kid to learn football from PC Sully, the douchebag with a whistle.

Sully
05-29-2007, 02:35 PM
Sully,
You neg repped me for this? ROFL You are officially the biggest pussy on the planet now dude. Football coach my ass, give me a friggen break. Honestly, who would want their kid to learn football from PC Sully, the douchebag with a whistle.
I neg repped you because you are such a joke, and you prove it time after time. You may disagree with my political lean, but to doubt I'm a coach because of them? LOL.
As far as the biggest pussy on the planet, you are at least close. You can't have a disagreement without turning it to cowardly name-calling and pissing matches, which shows how afraid you are of being shown for the dipshit you are. Any real man could handle the disagreement without crying as you do. Yeah, it's dressed up in tough words like "pussy," but it shows how insecure you really are.
The fact you are still questioning my truthfulness as to being a coach underlines this fact. What kind of person would lie about something like this? I've talked about it many times, and there are a select few on this site who know it as fact. Are you so small that that is the best you have? To pull that out? Well, you deserve the neg rep. It's not coming from a place of having my feelings hurt, it's coming from a place of laughing at you, and the false facade you put on every day. Again... you are a joke. You try to replace reasoned discussion with tough words, but all it is, really, is a show of what a coward you are.

kepp
05-29-2007, 02:38 PM
It was a play off of some of BD's dog threads, nothing more.
Just some sarcasm...meant no implications.

StcChief
05-29-2007, 02:41 PM
What the hell? With all the "non-competitive" leagues you think there's TOO MUCH emphasis on winning and losing?

IMO kids need to learn that some people win and some people lose. Where is goes bad is when parents push the kids to win rather than instill a desire to win.

well back when my kid played grade school/ymca/ youth sports programs. It seemed the coaches Kids got to pitch and play the best positions. (didn't matter if they were good) Learning the skills and Winning/Losing gracefully was taught to some degree....
But was an after thought as long their kids got to succeed and play whine when things didn't go their way.... It was truely sickening experience.

So best advise. You be the coach. Try and be fair to all. Has nothing to do with PC leagues (what are those????).

It's about developing SKILLS/ fundamentals. and learning to W/L as a team.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 02:47 PM
I neg repped you because you are such a joke, and you prove it time after time. You may disagree with my political lean, but to doubt I'm a coach because of them? LOL.
As far as the biggest pussy on the planet, you are at least close. You can't have a disagreement without turning it to cowardly name-calling and pissing matches, which shows how afraid you are of being shown for the dipshit you are. Any real man could handle the disagreement without crying as you do. Yeah, it's dressed up in tough words like "pussy," but it shows how insecure you really are.
The fact you are still questioning my truthfulness as to being a coach underlines this fact. What kind of person would lie about something like this? I've talked about it many times, and there are a select few on this site who know it as fact. Are you so small that that is the best you have? To pull that out? Well, you deserve the neg rep. It's not coming from a place of having my feelings hurt, it's coming from a place of laughing at you, and the false facade you put on every day. Again... you are a joke. You try to replace reasoned discussion with tough words, but all it is, really, is a show of what a coward you are.

ROFL Your mommy teach you how to talk like that? ROFL

"It shows how insecure you are." ? ROFL

Facts are you say it's not about winning or losing. This was the most classic post of all:

Yep. If your kid isn't coming out of the womb the best player on the team, relegate them to the "minors."

Isn't that what the minors are for coach? Come on coach. You don't sound like any coach I ever had. Then again I didn't have the new age metero PC coach either. Sure sounds like your agenda could effect your coaching. Then again I'm sure this is all about my false facade.

If you are a coach, which I doubt, I sure feel sorry for your boys. I guess anything is possible these days.

sedated
05-29-2007, 02:48 PM
You are officially the biggest pussy on the planet

you are such a joke, and you prove it time after time. shown for the dipshit you are. a show of what a coward you are.

would you two shut up and smoke this?

:bong:

...

"oh, sorry. I was taking life seriously"

Sully
05-29-2007, 02:50 PM
ROFL Your mommy teach you how to talk like that? ROFL

"It shows how insecure you are." ROFL

Facts are you say it's not about winning or losing. This was the most classic post of all:



Isn't that what the minors are for coach? Come on coach. You don't sound like any coach I ever had. Then again I didn't have the new age metero PC coach either. Sure sounds like your agenda could effect your coaching. Then again I'm sure this is all about my false facade.

If you are a coach, which I doubt, I sure feel sorry for your boys. I guess anything is possible though these days.
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

You are SUCH a joke.
First, it's little league. What little league has the "minors?"
Second, go back and read what I wrote about winning at the high school level, you dunce. Are you really this stupid, or do you just play this way on the intraweb?
Thirdly, I'll type it again... YOU ARE INSECURE. You come crying about rep... but then call someone else a pussy? The irony is hilarious.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-29-2007, 02:51 PM
I neg repped you because you are such a joke, and you prove it time after time. You may disagree with my political lean, but to doubt I'm a coach because of them? LOL.
As far as the biggest pussy on the planet, you are at least close. You can't have a disagreement without turning it to cowardly name-calling and pissing matches, which shows how afraid you are of being shown for the dipshit you are. Any real man could handle the disagreement without crying as you do. Yeah, it's dressed up in tough words like "pussy," but it shows how insecure you really are.
The fact you are still questioning my truthfulness as to being a coach underlines this fact. What kind of person would lie about something like this? I've talked about it many times, and there are a select few on this site who know it as fact. Are you so small that that is the best you have? To pull that out? Well, you deserve the neg rep. It's not coming from a place of having my feelings hurt, it's coming from a place of laughing at you, and the false facade you put on every day. Again... you are a joke. You try to replace reasoned discussion with tough words, but all it is, really, is a show of what a coward you are.

pwned.

Sully
05-29-2007, 02:51 PM
would you two shut up and smoke this?

:bong:

...

"oh, sorry. I was taking life seriously"
Yeah, I tried to keep it private, but someone got sand in his vag and had to whine about a little rep bubble.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 03:00 PM
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

You are SUCH a joke.
First, it's little league. What little league has the "minors?"
Second, go back and read what I wrote about winning at the high school level, you dunce. Are you really this stupid, or do you just play this way on the intraweb?
Thirdly, I'll type it again... YOU ARE INSECURE. You come crying about rep... but then call someone else a pussy? The irony is hilarious.

Yes little league has a minor league, the one's I have been around anyway. So tell me coach, how come your profile says you are a student if you're a coach?

For the record you are the one that started whining and handing out negative rep. Rep is a joke, I could care less about it I just find it funny that your box starts bleeding then you want to talk about everyone elses SV. I see your little commie buddy buddy Hamas has come to your side too. Cute.

For the record trying to win needs to take place before the high school level. Any coach would know that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-29-2007, 03:03 PM
Yes little league has a minor league, the one's I have been around anyway. So tell me coach, how come your profile says you are a student if you're a coach?

For the record you are the one that started whining and handing out negative rep. Rep is a joke, I could care less about it I just find it funny that your box starts bleeding then you want to talk about everyone elses SV. I see your little commie buddy buddy Hamas has come to your side too. Cute.

I didn't have to come to his side, he did a plenty good job of smacking your bitch ass down on his own. I just thought his complete textual evisceration of you was funny, and on the mark, hence the comment.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 03:07 PM
I didn't have to come to his side, he did a plenty good job of smacking your bitch ass down on his own. I just thought his complete textual evisceration of you was funny, and on the mark, hence the comment.


How cute, supported by Hamas. :)

Anybody here ever had a coach that sounded like Sully? Exactly.

Jenson71
05-29-2007, 03:13 PM
So tell me coach, how come your profile says you are a student if you're a coach?

Students can't be coaches where you live? I know plenty who are or have been.

Work hard, have fun, get better. That's what you focus on with kids. Winning will just come naturally when you're focusing on that.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 03:16 PM
Students can't be coaches where you live? I know plenty who are or have been.

Work hard, have fun, get better. That's what you focus on with kids. Winning will just come naturally when you're focusing on that.

So it's one of those situations where he couldn't make the team so they called him coach in exchange for carring their shit around for them or something? :hmmm:

NOW it's starting to make sense. More negative rep from coach too, NICE. I sent you some positive back Sully so you can call your girlfriend off now.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 03:19 PM
Sully,

So is Hamas like your assistant now?

Jenson71
05-29-2007, 03:19 PM
So it's one of those situations where he couldn't make the team so they called him coach in exchange for carring their shit around for them or something? :hmmm:

NOW it's starting to make sense. More negative rep from coach too, NICE. I sent you some positive back Sully so you can call your girlfriend off now.

More like college student makes $500 as middle school/high school freshmen baseball coach.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 03:21 PM
More like college student makes $500 as middle school/high school freshmen baseball coach.

That's interesting. I worked with high school coaches for years and none of them were students. The only ones I talk to now are football coaches at Riordan out here. Great bunch of guys, basically the polar opposite of Sully.

Jenson71
05-29-2007, 03:24 PM
That's interesting. I worked with high school coaches for years and none of them were students. The only ones I talk to now are football coaches at Riordan out here. Great bunch of guys, basically the polar opposite of Sully.

At my former high school, there's a college senior as assistant wrestling coach, a junior as a freshmen softball coach, another junior as freshmen baseball coach. That's all that I can think of off the top of my head. I always think of volunteering as a coach on the football team.

At my former grade school, I know two junior girls coach the 6-8th grade softball team.

BIG_DADDY
05-29-2007, 03:28 PM
At my former grade school, I know two junior girls coach the 6-8th grade softball team.

That seems more like Sully's speed right there.

MOhillbilly
05-29-2007, 03:29 PM
How cute, supported by Hamas. :)

Anybody here ever had a coach that sounded like Sully? Exactly.

noway. and ive been around a fair share.

Saulbadguy
05-29-2007, 04:18 PM
Are you going to let your son juice up on steroids, BIG_DADDY?

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-29-2007, 06:50 PM
That's interesting. I worked with high school coaches for years and none of them were students. The only ones I talk to now are football coaches at Riordan out here. Great bunch of guys, basically the polar opposite of Sully.

A good portion of student coaches are assistants at the high school level. Since you're a knuckle-dragging cluster f*ck of bent chromosomes in a chlorine-added gene pool, I wouldn't expect you to get it, but it's out there nonetheless.

RJ
05-29-2007, 06:56 PM
We could get silly and talk about toddlers but I was referring to kids who are at an age to compete on real teams.



Dude, they have kids in organized sports as early as five. A five year old is way more interested in what he'll get for a snack than he is in the score.

Skip Towne
05-29-2007, 06:59 PM
A good portion of high school assistant coaches are assistants at the high school level.
Huh?

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-29-2007, 07:00 PM
Huh?

Maddenism.

Demonpenz
05-29-2007, 07:29 PM
my dad used to get pissed at me for bowling of all sports. this was before i played football.. Like when i was 8. I finally got sick of it and rolled 8 gutterballs in a row on purpose. Now that was fun.

Dr. Facebook Fever
05-29-2007, 07:50 PM
So it's one of those situations where he couldn't make the team so they called him coach in exchange for carring their shit around for them or something? :hmmm:

NOW it's starting to make sense. More negative rep from coach too, NICE. I sent you some positive back Sully so you can call your girlfriend off now.
You are such a small man.

Now hurry and call me a derogatory name so you can look tough.

Demonpenz
05-29-2007, 07:55 PM
Some general comments. You are the only one that gets to call wiether you win or loose. If big daddy calls me a loser because I don't play to win or loose, big deal. I know I have won. In the game of life. I don't know what the big deal is putting some huge pressure on winning. Chances are you going to die a horrible death. Why make life that much more shitty by ruining what are supposed to be such a carefree time in your life. I think when it comes down to it. It's not win or loose it's competing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-29-2007, 08:16 PM
You are such a small man.

Now hurry and call me a derogatory name so you can look tough.

ROFL ROFL

Oh, the truth hurts.

RJ
05-29-2007, 08:17 PM
I doubt if, ultimately, anyone's success or failure in life is determined by the won/loss record of their little league team. In fact, the way I remember my little league days is that the kids that got upset over losing were the biggest whiners, crying because they struck out and thought the ump was cheating them or crying over getting robbed of a hit by a nice play. They all had "Danny Ainge" face. Usually acted like babies despite often being good athletes.

Being old enough to remember the days when kids could play sports that were "unorganized"......that is, no adults, I can say the the final score is definitely more important to the grown ups than the kids. Half the arguments were about what the score actually was, we'd all get too caught up in the games to keep track. "10-9 us....no way, it's 10-8 us!" If a consensus couldn't be reached the game reverted to a tie. The fun was in playing.

I've played in, coached or attended many youth sporting events in my life and I am firmly of the opinion that the worst part of them is the grown-ups.

Logical
05-29-2007, 08:37 PM
Nobody likes to lose but if you know you gave it everything it's easier to live with. The competetive spirit needs to be harnessed at a young age and nurtured along not pissed on for the convenience of parents who don't want to deal with it. It's our modern culture though. Little Johnny gets a little wound up give him some drugs. Whatever you do don't let Little Johnny keep track of the score of the game either. PC America at it's finest.

I hate to see so many people saying it is a saying for losers. I am sorry for their children as we all know not everyone can be on a championship team.

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-29-2007, 08:50 PM
I doubt if, ultimately, anyone's success or failure in life is determined by the won/loss record of their little league team. In fact, the way I remember my little league days is that the kids that got upset over losing were the biggest whiners, crying because they struck out and thought the ump was cheating them or crying over getting robbed of a hit by a nice play. They all had "Danny Ainge" face. Usually acted like babies despite often being good athletes.

Being old enough to remember the days when kids could play sports that were "unorganized"......that is, no adults, I can say the the final score is definitely more important to the grown ups than the kids. Half the arguments were about what the score actually was, we'd all get too caught up in the games to keep track. "10-9 us....no way, it's 10-8 us!" If a consensus couldn't be reached the game reverted to a tie. The fun was in playing.

I've played in, coached or attended many youth sporting events in my life and I am firmly of the opinion that the worst part of them is the grown-ups.


Another thing that the "Gym Class/Little League All-Stars" remind me of are the people whose lives peaked because they were mediocre athletes in high school, and held a superiority complex because of it. I go back home and those people still think that they're the shit, even though most of them are pathetic failures. It'd be angering if it weren't so funny.

Rep to you for helping out with youth sports and being a positive influence.

Sully
05-29-2007, 09:11 PM
So it's one of those situations where he couldn't make the team so they called him coach in exchange for carring their shit around for them or something? :hmmm:

NOW it's starting to make sense. More negative rep from coach too, NICE. I sent you some positive back Sully so you can call your girlfriend off now.
ROFL
LOL couldn't make the team. You really aren't faking being this dumb, huh? It's genuine. Pretending to know someone's athletic ability based off some posts on a board? Even pretending to know what kind of person I am so far as my coaching style?
Face it, BIGDUNCE, you don't know shit about me other than what I tell you on here. While my opinions are definitely mine, your small idea of the type of people who disagree with you is altered more than your internal chemistry and that is saying something, apparently. And talking shit on me for having Hamas backing me up is about as intelligent as me talking shit on having backwoods back you up. Just because I owned you on here...AGAIN, makes people agree. Although I like Hamas, I'm not sure we have ever exchanged posts.

Sully
05-29-2007, 09:13 PM
I doubt if, ultimately, anyone's success or failure in life is determined by the won/loss record of their little league team. In fact, the way I remember my little league days is that the kids that got upset over losing were the biggest whiners, crying because they struck out and thought the ump was cheating them or crying over getting robbed of a hit by a nice play. They all had "Danny Ainge" face. Usually acted like babies despite often being good athletes.

Being old enough to remember the days when kids could play sports that were "unorganized"......that is, no adults, I can say the the final score is definitely more important to the grown ups than the kids. Half the arguments were about what the score actually was, we'd all get too caught up in the games to keep track. "10-9 us....no way, it's 10-8 us!" If a consensus couldn't be reached the game reverted to a tie. The fun was in playing.

I've played in, coached or attended many youth sporting events in my life and I am firmly of the opinion that the worst part of them is the grown-ups.

/Thread.

Well said.

RJ
05-29-2007, 10:02 PM
Rep to you for helping out with youth sports and being a positive influence.



Well, I gotta admit that while I always tried to be a good influence and role model for the kids, I did slip a few times. One I remember in particular was when an ump called one of my kids out after a home run, said he missed second. "Bullshit!!!", I screamed at the 16 y/o umpire getting paid all of $5 a game for his trouble. As soon as it came out I felt like a complete idiot, couldn't apologize fast enough. I had lowered myself to cursing in front of my team of 11 and 12 y/o's, and the cursing was directed at another kid who wasn't much older. Basically, I had acted just like those coaches and parents that took all the fun out of the game.That was a low point for me, after that season I did less coaching and more spectating. And I rarely talked to any official other than to say "good job", those guys have a thankless task.

I now have a daughter who is four and I'm sure she'll also be active in sports. I'm older now (48) and I've learned my lessons over the years. I'll go to her games and offer encouragement but I'm not going to be arguing with coaches or officials. And if I'm doing any pushing it will be with academics, not sports. Sports will be for fun and if it becomes a chore for her then we'll move on to something else.

Bottom line, it's real easy to get caught up in the competitiveness of the situation and lose sight of all the good reasons to have our kids out there.

Guru
05-29-2007, 10:15 PM
I don't care if my kids win or lose as long as they have done their best. A good coach can take care of both.

I don't want to see him lose but I do want to see him lose graciously as well as win graciously. As long as he continuously tries to improve his play by giving his 110% effort, I will never complain.

Logical
05-29-2007, 10:33 PM
I don't care if my kids win or lose as long as they have done their best. A good coach can take care of both.

I don't want to see him lose but I do want to see him lose graciously as well as win graciously. As long as he continuously tries to improve his play by giving his 110% effort, I will never complain.


Amen brother, Amen.