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old_geezer
04-19-2001, 05:30 PM
Just now on Fox 41 the sports anchor reported that the Rams, Cardinals, and Green Bay were in the process of doing a 3-way trade that would leave the Chiefs out in the cold as far as Green goes. He went on to say that the Rams were worried that Warner might not be healthy after the concussion last year so they would like to keep Green as insurance.
I don't know about you but that brings a smile to my face. :D

keg in kc
04-19-2001, 05:32 PM
Where is fox 41 located?

Frazod
04-19-2001, 05:32 PM
Thank God. I hope this one's true. I would have liked to merely sign Green, but for a first rounder or more? Hell no. Screw St. Louis.

keg in kc
04-19-2001, 05:33 PM
I also wonder where this would leave us regarding Aeneas Williams.

old_geezer
04-19-2001, 05:37 PM
I guess that should be channel 4 (the Fox network.)
I can't believe I can't remember the anchor's name.
Anyway, Green Bay would end up with Arizona's #2 and pick Justin Smith, and the Rams would end up with CB Williams from the Cardinals plus the #10 pick, and the Cardinals would end up with two #1 picks.
I hope I got most of it straight. I was trying to listen and type at the same time.
Bottom line - the Rams want to keep Green as insurance for Warner.
I think the anchor's name is Kietzman (does that sound right?)

morphius
04-19-2001, 05:41 PM
I'm not sure how this kills all chances of the deal going through, but StL was not going to come down in their offer either way.

old_geezer
04-19-2001, 05:47 PM
What the sports anchor was saying was that the Rams wanted to keep Green as insurance in case Warner wasn't fully recovered and this trade would allow them to improve their defense and keep Green at the same time.

keg in kc
04-19-2001, 05:52 PM
Kietzman is a radio host on 810.

Frank Boal, maybe? He's the fox 4 sports director.

That trade doesn't make sense to me.

You have picks #2, #10, #20 and #29 involved.

Arizona ends up with picks #20 and #29 for pick #2 and Aeneas Williams? That's a drop of 18 picks...

The Rams get Aeneas Williams and #10, but trade only 20 and #29?

Green Bay ends up with #2 but gives up only #10?

There must be a lot more involved...

HC_Chief
04-19-2001, 05:55 PM
How often do these 'three-way' trades actually work out? You hear about them before the draft, but I cannot remember even <i>one</i> coming to fruition. Some help here... anyone remember one?

If it <i>did</i> happen, I sure as heck we either draft Tomlinson or McAllister @#12; or trade down with either NYJ or Philly.

old_geezer
04-19-2001, 05:58 PM
My bad.

Frank Boal is the announcer that gave the story. I don't know where I came up with Kietzman. :confused:

old_geezer
04-19-2001, 06:04 PM
Kyle

Reportedly Arizona was willing to trade Williams for less than a 1st rounder (there must be an untold story there).
Green Bay has the hots for Smith.
The Rams get the best of the deal but all three teams seem to get what they want. It just might happen.
On a less happy note, Boal went on to say that the Chiefs would probably sign the other Trent (Dilfer) now. I tried to put that thought out of my mind. :eek:

keg in kc
04-19-2001, 06:05 PM
HC, I'm about 99.999% convinced at this point that we're going to trade down with the Jets (if McAllister is not available).

keg in kc
04-19-2001, 06:16 PM
Donald, consider this:

What would it take for St. Louis to move from 20 to 10/2? Probably a combination of up to 4 picks, including at least one second and one third. Williams would cost a second and a third/fourth as well. That's at least #20, #42, #54, #83 and another pick (4th rounder) when you put those trades together, but Arizona will be happy with just #20 and #29? I find that hard to believe...

Also, what is Green Bay trading here? They're giving up only the #10 pick and moving up to #2? How is that possible...

There's just something that doesn't fit here. Either there's a Packer player involved that we don't know about, or this trade just doesn't cut it. It doesn't make sense to me. Why would Arizona agree to this? If this does happen, Green Bay will have made a major steal...

old_geezer
04-19-2001, 06:29 PM
Kyle

I just went to two other Chief's BB's plus KFFL, and found nothing on this possible trade. I know I heard it - maybe Frank Boal was just trying to generate a little pre-draft excitement. I don't really know how reliable he is.
I agree with you, it looks like something more is involved if it's true.
By the way, if you were talking to the old_geezer with your last reply my name is Ronald, not Donald. :D

The Bad Guy
04-19-2001, 07:32 PM
Boal is just about the only one reporting this possible three-way.

If it had any substance, Clayton, Mortensen, Don Banks, or Pasquarelli would be reporting it. Not an anchor who lives outside of any of those three cities.

From what I heard, the Chiefs haven't even talked again about Green.

Also, just a couple days ago, the Rams said that they weren't worried about Warners concussion problems. They feel he's healed from what plagued him last year, and that they feel he is no more suspect for a concussion than any other NFL player.

Your going to hear about 100 different senarios between now and before the 12 pick on Saturday.

1 of them will be true.

However, I agree with Kyle. You hear about three-way trades all the time, but I can't recall one ever coming true.

Also, in regards to Aeneas Williams, I heard today that talks have slowed with the Rams. His agent has had small conversations with the Rams F.O. but nothing has come out of it.

Trent Green talks won't be dead until I hear with the 12 pick, the Kansas City Chiefs select....

old_geezer
04-19-2001, 08:04 PM
NFLScoop

Thanks for the update. I was beginning to think I was the only one who heard it. It does seem very unlikely once the euphoria fades away.
I was excited by the fact that, if true, it meant KC would not be giving their pick to St. Louis for Green. That I am not in favor of. Sorry if I further confused an already confussing situation. :o

CanadaKC
04-19-2001, 08:44 PM
The Green deal is dead for two reasons...Vermeil vs.
Rams...and 2) Green's agent is Grbac's agent, Jim Steiner. Not only did he screw the Chiefs by not disclosing Grbac's plans to Carl until the midnight hour,
but now comes word he may want to "re-negotiate"
Green's contract should he become a starter, rather than a back-up. I can see the steam coming out of Carl's ears.

keg in kc
04-20-2001, 02:55 PM
The Green deal may not be dead:

Chiefs sign Bubby Brister as trade talks between Chiefs and Rams heat up

By ADAM TEICHER - The Kansas City Star
Date: 04/20/01 14:30

Trade negotiations between the Chiefs and St. Louis Rams for quarterback Trent Green resumed today, sparking hopes of making a deal before Saturday's draft.

"We're going through negotiations," Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. "We're trying to make a balanced deal that's best for both sides. There's things going back and forth. There's been counteroffers."

Both sides had apparently moved from their trade positions of last month, when the teams last attempted to strike a deal. The Rams had asked for first- and third-round picks for Green. The Chiefs offered to swap their first pick for one of the Rams' picks late in the first round or to give the first- and third-round picks, but receive Green and a second-round pick in return.

"(Those offers) won't get it done," Vermeil said.

Vermeil said, based on conversations with the Rams, that he envisioned no deal for Green without the Chiefs trading out of the first round.

"That's not a possibility," Vermeil said. "They don't want to swap, unless something changes.

"I never have traded a first-round pick. But if that's what it takes to get the job done, then that has to be part of it. But you'd like to get something back beyond the quarterback, too. Players, picks, whatever it might be. Something that balances (the trade).

"There's no way we're going to give a first and a third. It just wasn't going to happen. Now (Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson) is trying to determine what fits."

The Chiefs did acquire another veteran quarterback today, signing Bubby Brister to a one-year contract worth about $500,000. Brister, 38, is a 14-year NFL veteran who last season backed up Daunte Culpepper in Minnesota.

"He's got a lot of experience. He's a quality leader," Vermeil said. "He's been a great mentor for each quarterback he's competed with. I think he made a major contribution to the young quarterback in Minnesota (Culpepper) last year. He can still play. His workout was outstanding.

"He just brings us a little more experience at the position."

The Rams, meanwhile, matched the two-year offer sheet the Chiefs made this week to wide receiver/kick-return specialist Tony Horne.

"The offer we made on Tony Horne was not to steal a player they wanted," Vermeil said. "I don't have any intention of trying to hurt the Rams in any way. But if they didn't want him, then we'd take him at our contract level. We didn't try to write a contract they couldn't meet. If they didn't want him, we'd take him."

http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/chiefs.pat,sports/3acc9bd6.420,.html

Baby Lee
04-20-2001, 03:17 PM
now comes word he may want to "re-negotiate"
Green's contract should he become a starter, rather than a back-up.
Are you serious? Did he really say that? WTF was he supposed to be when the Rams signed him to THIS contract?
[best Silvio Dante voice] "Madon, the BALLS on this one"

Baby Lee
04-23-2001, 11:07 AM
Now that Green is a Chief, has anyone heard anything else on the intricacies of valuing a guy who SIGNED for starter money, LOST his starting job, got TRADED to another team, and is now reportedly seeking 'starter money?'

Verification of the statement?
Word on negotiations?
Positions of Parties?