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Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 10:30 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/129877.html

For Johnson, there’s a catch

Edwards plans for Chiefs’ tailback to have more balls thrown to him next season.

One year after setting an NFL record with 416 carries, Chiefs All-Pro Larry Johnson will likely become an ever bigger part of Kansas City’s offense in 2007.

So says head coach Herm Edwards, who on Wednesday expressed his intentions to get Johnson more touches not as a tailback — but as a receiver.

“That’s the next step in his development as a running back in this league: His ability to come out of the backfield running routes,” Edwards said. “We need to get the ball to our backs a little more than we did last year.”

Johnson caught a respectable 41 passes for 410 yards in 2006, but Edwards said that number should rise to at least 60 this season. He said Johnson’s bullish running style and 6-foot-1, 230-pound frame are ideal for a back who doubles as a receiver.

“If you’ve got athletic players like Larry who can catch the ball out of the backfield, they can make plays,” Edwards said. “If he catches 60 passes … to me it’s like an extended run. It’s almost like a toss play.

“He’s out of harm’s way and he’s in the secondary already when he gets the ball, so he doesn’t have to run through the defensive line. When you can do that with a guy who has some speed and is hard to tackle already in the open field because he’s so big and strong, it gives you another weapon.”

Of course, before he begins to worry about gaining yards, Johnson has to catch the ball first. Simple as the task may seem, it’s not always easy for running backs — especially those who haven’t been utilized in such a fashion before.

Johnson’s backup, Michael Bennett, said he caught just one pass during his collegiate career before becoming more of a receiving threat with the Minnesota Vikings, his former team.

“Hopefully they’ll use it a lot here, too,” Bennett said. “With the type of offense we have, everyone is looking for the run. It’d be a great thing to get the ball out of the backfield, that way we can keep the defense honest.

“It’s really just a matter of getting used to it,” Bennett said. “With catching, it’s just got to become a habit. I think we all catch the ball pretty well out of the backfield.”

That includes Johnson, who’s caught 74 passes the last two years. He also snared 41 passes as a senior at Penn State.

Edwards said it’s been obvious during the Chiefs’ organized team activities the last two weeks that Johnson is focused on enhancing his role as a receiver.

“He’s been the leader of the backs,” Edwards said. “He’s finishing all his plays. He’s very conscientious of coming out of the backfield and being a productive pass-catcher. He’s working on being more defined in his routes.”

Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 10:30 PM
Look at how cut Larry is.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5968/267chiefsme053007jpb095fe6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Short Leash Hootie
05-30-2007, 10:33 PM
GOOOOOOD!

Short Leash Hootie
05-30-2007, 10:35 PM
The absolute worst thing about Trent Green's return last year was he WOULDN'T (and couldn't) throw the ball to LJ...

Huard dumped the ball off to LJ at WILL and LJ made play after play after play (and a few drops on occasion)...

The dude is a GREAT open field runner...why not check down to Larry more and see what happens?

IT KILLED ME when Trent would force the ball to Samie Parker rather than check down to LJ...

Fairplay
05-30-2007, 10:38 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/129877.html


“He’s been the leader of the backs,” Edwards said.


I would hope hes the leader of the backfield. Hes the only one back there most of the time...lol

KcMizzou
05-30-2007, 10:39 PM
“He’s out of harm’s way and he’s in the secondary already when he gets the ball, so he doesn’t have to run through the defensive line. When you can do that with a guy who has some speed and is hard to tackle already in the open field because he’s so big and strong, it gives you another weapon.”

Yes.... Do it Herm. LJ's a monster in space. Eats DB's alive.

KcMizzou
05-30-2007, 10:41 PM
The absolute worst thing about Trent Green's return last year was he WOULDN'T (and couldn't) throw the ball to LJ...

Huard dumped the ball off to LJ at WILL and LJ made play after play after play (and a few drops on occasion)...

The dude is a GREAT open field runner...why not check down to Larry more and see what happens?

IT KILLED ME when Trent would force the ball to Samie Parker rather than check down to LJ...Hmmm...

I have to admit. I think Hootie's right.

Fairplay
05-30-2007, 10:45 PM
Look at how cut Larry is.




GoChiefs has one hand on his mouse and the other on... :eek:

Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 10:46 PM
GoChiefs has one hand on his mouse and the other on... :eek:

I'VE GOT MY HAND ON YOUR BUTT....AND I'M SQUEEEEEEZING.

Mile High Mania
05-30-2007, 10:47 PM
The absolute worst thing about Trent Green's return last year was he WOULDN'T (and couldn't) throw the ball to LJ...

Huard dumped the ball off to LJ at WILL and LJ made play after play after play (and a few drops on occasion)...

The dude is a GREAT open field runner...why not check down to Larry more and see what happens?

IT KILLED ME when Trent would force the ball to Samie Parker rather than check down to LJ...

It didn't just happen when Green returned...

LJ had nice catches per game through the first 4 games and then he wasn't a big factor catching the ball.

Huard started each game from W2 through 11/12... 8 games. LJ had 20 receptions in the first 4 games... and only 9 receptions in the final 5 starts for Huard.

So, it wasn't just Green.

Direckshun
05-30-2007, 10:47 PM
Look at how cut Larry is.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5968/267chiefsme053007jpb095fe6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Yes, if I didn't know any better I'd wager that he's a professional athlete.

milkman
05-30-2007, 10:48 PM
Hmmm...

I have to admit. I think Hootie's right.

He is right, to a point.

But think back to '05.

LJ was even more effective as a receiver then, with Green at QB, than last season.

Green never looked like the same QB after he came back last year.

He didn't make the same decisons, or utilize the weapons at his disposal as effectively as he had the previous 4 years.

Mile High Mania
05-30-2007, 10:50 PM
LJ has increased his # of receptions and total receiving yards each season, but his avg ypc is down each year and his TDs are nothing to light your world on fire.

Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 6 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0 0
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 10 3 22 278 12.6 40 2 3 1 13
2005 Kansas City Chiefs 16 9 33 343 10.4 36 1 4 0 13
2006 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 41 410 10.0 78 2 4 1 21
TOTAL 48 28 97 1033 10.6 78 5 11 2 47

chiefbowe82
05-30-2007, 10:51 PM
It would be great to see Larry get increased receptions out of the backfield, and setting up screens.

Direckshun
05-30-2007, 10:52 PM
Since we're talking about LJ blowing up the secondary, I'd just like to bring up my favorite LJ run of the year: that powerful 50 yard sprint up the middle against Baltimore.

He blasted through that hole so fast no DL or LB even touched him, and he didn't have contact until about twenty or thirty yards down the field -- and it was him, pushing a Ravens DB backwards five yards.

Just a great run. God damn it was fun to watch.

Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 10:53 PM
LJ has increased his # of receptions and total receiving yards each season, but his avg ypc is down each year and his TDs are nothing to light your world on fire.

Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 6 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0 0
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 10 3 22 278 12.6 40 2 3 1 13
2005 Kansas City Chiefs 16 9 33 343 10.4 36 1 4 0 13
2006 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 41 410 10.0 78 2 4 1 21
TOTAL 48 28 97 1033 10.6 78 5 11 2 47

Meh. As your receptions go up your yards per catch goes down. Pretty obvious.

Direckshun
05-30-2007, 10:54 PM
LJ has increased his # of receptions and total receiving yards each season, but his avg ypc is down each year and his TDs are nothing to light your world on fire.

Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 6 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0 0
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 10 3 22 278 12.6 40 2 3 1 13
2005 Kansas City Chiefs 16 9 33 343 10.4 36 1 4 0 13
2006 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 41 410 10.0 78 2 4 1 21
TOTAL 48 28 97 1033 10.6 78 5 11 2 47
It's an open field play, not a red zone play.

The first down statistic there is what's telling. About half of them go for first downs.

Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 10:54 PM
Since we're talking about LJ blowing up the secondary, I'd just like to bring up my favorite LJ run of the year: that powerful 50 yard sprint up the middle against Baltimore.

He blasted through that hole so fast no DL or LB even touched him, and he didn't have contact until about twenty or thirty yards down the field -- and it was him, pushing a Ravens DB backwards five yards.

Just a great run. God damn it was fun to watch.

Just think about how awesome it would be with Twisted Sister screaming in the background...

Mile High Mania
05-30-2007, 10:56 PM
Meh. As your receptions go up your yards per catch goes down. Pretty obvious.

And, if you're good... your TDs should go up, yeah?

Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 10:58 PM
And, if you're good... your TDs should go up, yeah?

When LJ gets the ball around the goal line, it's on handoffs. LT doesn't score that many receiving TDs either and neither did Priest.

Direckshun
05-30-2007, 11:01 PM
Just think about how awesome it would be with Twisted Sister screaming in the background...
I really shouldn't do this because people are bogging you down with requests all the time, but you wouldn't happen to have that run on a .gif or in that new highlight film, would you?

Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 11:02 PM
I really shouldn't do this because people are bogging you down with requests all the time, but you wouldn't happen to have that run on that .gif or in that new highlight film, would you?

MULTIPLE ANGLES, bitch.

Direckshun
05-30-2007, 11:06 PM
MULTIPLE ANGLES, bitch.
Aaaaahhhhhhh. :)

And an angel gets its wings.

Matter of fact I think that happens every time LJ springs for 20.

Count Zarth
05-30-2007, 11:16 PM
For Direckshun:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/LJstiff.gif

Direckshun
05-30-2007, 11:20 PM
hahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahh
hahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahaha

Samari Rolle, right? That is a ****ing blast.

Drags Dawan Landry about five, ten yards, too. That goes beyond being a "bruiser," that's a rare combination of speed, power, and nasty-ass attitude.

Unbelievable. No other back in the NFL even tries to smack down a CB in the middle of the field on a breakaway. Love it.

Rep.

Edit: That smack probably slowed him down, too. Landry gets there, another safety gathers, and a couple WRs get in on the action. All of a sudden, there's a rugby-esque push war 50 yards from the line of scrimmage. Only LJ, man. That's unreal.

Sure-Oz
05-30-2007, 11:25 PM
He should get 40-50 catches a year, easy. Dude is a beast in the open field.

Direckshun
05-30-2007, 11:26 PM
Looked up Rolle. 6'0, 175 lbs.

No wonder LJ tossed his salad downfield, he's got a fifty pound advantage on him. :D

el borracho
05-30-2007, 11:43 PM
“We need to get the ball to our backs a little more than we did last year.”

Kris Wilson, come on down!

MadMax
05-30-2007, 11:44 PM
Meh trade Larry, he's a malcontent
and losing value we speak. ROFL! Seriously I love the guy...I sure hope Brodie come through. It
s gonna be another tough season for Chiefs fans.

MadMax
05-30-2007, 11:46 PM
Damnit my post seems to highlight my alcoholism. :(

KcMizzou
05-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Damnit my post seems to highlight my alcoholism. :(LMAO

bringbackmarty
05-31-2007, 12:19 AM
It will work if the o-line gets back to doing what it used to do, along with bowe diving at the legs on denver's secondary. I wold love to see lynch go out with a dogleg mcl or acl.

Direckshun
05-31-2007, 12:24 AM
Bowe doesn't dive for the legs of CBs.

He plows through the torsos of linebackers.

SNR
05-31-2007, 01:12 AM
LJ has increased his # of receptions and total receiving yards each season, but his avg ypc is down each year and his TDs are nothing to light your world on fire.

Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 6 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0 0
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 10 3 22 278 12.6 40 2 3 1 13
2005 Kansas City Chiefs 16 9 33 343 10.4 36 1 4 0 13
2006 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 41 410 10.0 78 2 4 1 21
TOTAL 48 28 97 1033 10.6 78 5 11 2 47

Well, I blame playcalling and shitty Oline play to the mediocre ypc last season. It's not like his skills diminished this early in his career. Now that he's proved he can carry the rock for 16 games, his production should skyrocket.

jjjayb
05-31-2007, 05:38 AM
He is right, to a point.

But think back to '05.

LJ was even more effective as a receiver then, with Green at QB, than last season.

Green never looked like the same QB after he came back last year.

He didn't make the same decisons, or utilize the weapons at his disposal as effectively as he had the previous 4 years.

Everyone keeps saying "Green didn't look like the same QB after the concussion"

Do you guys ever stop to think maybe it wasn't the concussion? Maybe it was the piss poor offensive game plans? Run run pass, run run pass and the defense will get your ass. Green was running for his life in the first game before he even got the concussion. That's why he got the concussion. Do you think it's coincidence that Herm had so many QB's injured in New York? I'm surprised Huard didn't get injured as well with as many blind side shots as he took.

pikesome
05-31-2007, 05:46 AM
Everyone keeps saying "Green didn't look like the same QB after the concussion"

Do you guys ever stop to think maybe it wasn't the concussion? Maybe it was the piss poor offensive game plans? Run run pass, run run pass and the defense will get your ass. Green was running for his life in the first game before he even got the concussion. That's why he got the concussion. Do you think it's coincidence that Herm had so many QB's injured in New York? I'm surprised Huard didn't get injured as well with as many blind side shots as he took.

I'm pretty sure that the play book didn't call for LJ's shoelaces to catch passes. The play calling might not have been stellar but when your QB can't seem to throw a short, little pass to the RB it gets even worse.

chop
05-31-2007, 06:07 AM
I remember Green threw several under thrown balls to LJ last year. LJ would be wide open and Green would try to get him the ball but it would fall short of the mark. Most of those bad throws killed the drive.

Hog Farmer
05-31-2007, 06:33 AM
Everyone keeps saying "Green didn't look like the same QB after the concussion"

Do you guys ever stop to think maybe it wasn't the concussion? Maybe it was the piss poor offensive game plans? Run run pass, run run pass and the defense will get your ass. Green was running for his life in the first game before he even got the concussion. That's why he got the concussion. Do you think it's coincidence that Herm had so many QB's injured in New York? I'm surprised Huard didn't get injured as well with as many blind side shots as he took.

Green totally sucked after he returned. Your and idiot!

RedThat
05-31-2007, 06:56 AM
Passing the ball to LJ wouldn't be a bad idea, although, I don't think we have the O-line to effectively run screen plays the way we used to?

Sanka
05-31-2007, 07:21 AM
Yea, lets get LJ the ball 500 times this season, because apparently 420? touches were not enough.

pikesome
05-31-2007, 07:23 AM
Passing the ball to LJ wouldn't be a bad idea, although, I don't think we have the O-line to effectively run screen plays the way we used to?

With the changes this off-season I'm not sure anyone, Herm & Co included, knows what our Oline's going to be able to do at this moment. I'd just be happy if they can keep Brodie out of the ER for a season or two.

Reerun_KC
05-31-2007, 07:37 AM
With the changes this off-season I'm not sure anyone, Herm & Co included, knows what our Oline's going to be able to do at this moment. I'd just be happy if they can keep Brodie out of the ER for a season or two.


Good thing we have a coach that has a solid understanding of offense along with a history that his offense can protect his QB's from injuries...

I would hate for any of our QB's especially Brodie to get burried... AGIAN!

Reerun_KC
05-31-2007, 07:43 AM
I'm pretty sure that the play book didn't call for LJ's shoelaces to catch passes. The play calling might not have been stellar but when your QB can't seem to throw a short, little pass to the RB it gets even worse.


Pretty sure the playbook didnt call for Huard to do his best to try and get Tony G killed in the Miami game either...

This is why Brodie needs to be the QB, Trent time is done, Huards time never was...

We need to grow with a young QB and move forward...

RedThat
05-31-2007, 07:55 AM
With the changes this off-season I'm not sure anyone, Herm & Co included, knows what our Oline's going to be able to do at this moment. I'd just be happy if they can keep Brodie out of the ER for a season or two.

Sorry, trying to understand you, what does ER mean?

Reerun_KC
05-31-2007, 08:05 AM
Sorry, trying to understand you, what does ER mean?


emergency room?

COchief
05-31-2007, 08:26 AM
LJ has increased his # of receptions and total receiving yards each season, but his avg ypc is down each year and his TDs are nothing to light your world on fire.

Seriously, you're trying to bag on LJ? Are you retarded, he is without question the best running back in the NFL behind LT. Even though I loathe the Broncos, I'm not going to try and tear down Champ Bailey. Pick another player to trash on numbnuts, we have plenty of worthy candidates.

StcChief
05-31-2007, 08:45 AM
Agreed. LJ needs to catch outta backfield and blocking for QB/ or other player is his next skillset to master.

pikesome
05-31-2007, 08:47 AM
Sorry, trying to understand you, what does ER mean?

Emergency Room.

LOCOChief
05-31-2007, 09:25 AM
Pretty sure the playbook didnt call for Huard to do his best to try and get Tony G killed in the Miami game either...

This is why Brodie needs to be the QB, Trent time is done, Huards time never was...

We need to grow with a young QB and move forward...

Right on, right on. I have seen the future (being a KC native and relocated to Florida (SEC) Brodie is smart, tough, mobile and has an arm for sure. I did say tough didn't I? I can tell you that Florida was glad to see him move on. I know we haven't seen him yet, but I think we're going to have a reason to be happy with our QB situation by the end of the season.

I'm really ready for Trent to get the hell out of town, but not for free.

FD
05-31-2007, 09:34 AM
41 catches for 21 first downs, I'll take more of that.

htismaqe
05-31-2007, 09:36 AM
I would hope hes the leader of the backfield. Hes the only one back there most of the time...lol

He's not the only one back there.

Most of the opponent's defensive line is back there too...

Reerun_KC
05-31-2007, 09:38 AM
He's not the only one back there.

Most of the opponent's defensive line is back there too...

ROFL That is funny

Mile High Mania
05-31-2007, 09:49 AM
Seriously, you're trying to bag on LJ? Are you retarded, he is without question the best running back in the NFL behind LT. Even though I loathe the Broncos, I'm not going to try and tear down Champ Bailey. Pick another player to trash on numbnuts, we have plenty of worthy candidates.

Settle down, Beavis... you missed the point entirely. I wasn't "bagging" on LJ and while LT is the best RB in the NFL, LJ and Steven Jackson are 2a and 2b with Gore making a case for 2c if he's able to prove he can be consistent.

And, yes... you do have plenty of other worth candidates to bag on, but I wasn't doing that so I'll pass for now.

John_Wayne
05-31-2007, 10:01 AM
It would be great to see Larry get increased receptions out of the backfield, and setting up screens.

YES!! I agree. More screens. It seems that the offense has forgotten about screens since Priest left. Priest was the king of the screen pass.

Chief Henry
05-31-2007, 10:06 AM
LJ needs to learn to block better.

RedThat
05-31-2007, 11:02 AM
Emergency Room.

Oh ok. I think I see what you're saying now? You're hoping Brodie doesn't get hurt?

Well, that is the interesting part to see. We know Huard can possibly be a good backup, just waiting to see if Croyle starts, just to see what we have. If he gets hurt, we know what Huard is capable of doing off the bench. wouldn't be too uncomfortable if they put Huard in there, assuming Croyle is the starter and he gets hurt.

RedThat
05-31-2007, 11:03 AM
LJ needs to learn to block better.

I DEFINATELY agree with that.

pikesome
05-31-2007, 11:22 AM
Oh ok. I think I see what you're saying now? You're hoping Brodie doesn't get hurt?

Well, that is the interesting part to see. We know Huard can possibly be a good backup, just waiting to see if Croyle starts, just to see what we have. If he gets hurt, we know what Huard is capable of doing off the bench. wouldn't be too uncomfortable if they put Huard in there, assuming Croyle is the starter and he gets hurt.

Croyle not getting hurt would be great but, big picture, if the O line could keep Croyle from being Carred to death it would give our QB a chance to win some fans, LJ to run better/more, and maybe a playoff win, maybe.

Reerun_KC
05-31-2007, 11:39 AM
Croyle not getting hurt would be great but, big picture, if the O line could keep Croyle from being Carred to death it would give our QB a chance to win some fans, LJ to run better/more, and maybe a playoff win, maybe.


Can the Fans deal with a Rookie or Young QB? I dont ever recall in the last 20 years playing a QB this young.... As fast as they turned on Trent, Sucked off Huard, Elvis, Bono, Krieg, the list goes on and on.. Croyle better be ready for some harsh media and fans. As soon as Brodie throws his first pick, there will be a full blown Hootie/Huard love fest all over Chiefsplanet...

htismaqe
05-31-2007, 12:17 PM
Can the Fans deal with a Rookie or Young QB? I dont ever recall in the last 20 years playing a QB this young.... As fast as they turned on Trent, Sucked off Huard, Elvis, Bono, Krieg, the list goes on and on.. Croyle better be ready for some harsh media and fans. As soon as Brodie throws his first pick, there will be a full blown Hootie/Huard love fest all over Chiefsplanet...

Brodie played at one of the most storied programs in college football but on a team that was one of the worst the fans there had ever seen.

I think he can handle harsh fans.

Reerun_KC
05-31-2007, 12:18 PM
Brodie played at one of the most storied programs in college football but on a team that was one of the worst the fans there had ever seen.

I think he can handle harsh fans.


I hope so... Nothing is more sickening than the recycling of old QB's through Arrowhead...

Buehler445
05-31-2007, 12:27 PM
I hope so... Nothing is more sickening than the recycling of old QB's through Arrowhead...

Hopefully he was astute enough to look at how Trent Green handled himself with class. I think that went a long way with KC fans. Hopefully this young man can do the same.

RedThat
06-01-2007, 12:12 AM
Croyle not getting hurt would be great but, big picture, if the O line could keep Croyle from being Carred to death it would give our QB a chance to win some fans, LJ to run better/more, and maybe a playoff win, maybe.

Believe it or not. This may sound crazy when I say this but, I think LJ is going to suffer under this type of style of offense. And I think our O-line is half decent. I still like the middle of our O-line, although I have to admit the tackles are questionable. I can just see a change in attitude in LJ. I can see him not being happy in this offense. Thus, that may effect his play?

The Chiefs are a running team, and I can already see what is going to happen, teams are gonna stack the line against us most of the time, and LJ won't be able to run as effectively. We are going to be too predictable on offense yet again.

I know there some people on here who are excited to see Croyle play, but lets be real here, what do the fans expect from Croyle? Don't get me wrong, I, myself am excited to see some youth at the QB position, but, we also can't forget, Herm LOVES to run a boring, ball controlling, conservative style of offense.

That imo, is not necessarily a good thing when you have a young QB. The only difference I see from our QB's last year is that we got younger. But, I can see Croyle being restricted in terms of what the Chiefs are gonna ask him to do. He probably won't be able to open things up with the style of offense we are going to run. Not necessarily a good thing. I would like to see what my QB can do? I don't know about you guys, but that's just me.

So, what I say, I'd rather see a change in philosophy in offense, then rather get excited about playing a young QB. That makes no difference to me. But running a boring, conservative style offense concerns me more.

*I apologize for the pessimism. Im just trying to look at things from a realistic point of view.

Count Zarth
06-01-2007, 12:14 AM
The Chiefs are a running team, and I can already see what is going to happen, teams are gonna stack the line against us most of the time, and LJ won't be able to run as effectively. We are going to be too predictable on offense yet again.

Uh, all of that happened last year and he still broke the franchise rushing record.

RedThat
06-01-2007, 12:19 AM
Uh, all of that happened last year and he still broke the franchise rushing record.

Yeah and thats a great accomplishment. I won't take that away from him. But running a boring style of offense is a concern. That is a problem.

LJ can even break the rushing record again this year? Who knows? Only time will tell? But I still won't be satistfied if our offense is the same old boring running. And then we lose because of it.

Direckshun
06-01-2007, 12:21 AM
I can see Croyle being restricted in terms of what the Chiefs are gonna ask him to do. He probably won't be able to open things up with the style of offense we are going to run. Not necessarily a good thing. I would like to see what my QB can do? I don't know about you guys, but that's just me.
Herm will bring Croyle in just like he brought in Huard last year. Herm will open up the offense for Croyle, but it'll likely take a couple games before he does.

Count Zarth
06-01-2007, 12:25 AM
But I still won't be satistfied if our offense is the same old boring running. And then we lose because of it.

How many games do you think we lost last year because of the offensive playcalling?

Cincy - no
Denver - yes
Pittsburgh - no
Cleveland - no
Baltimore - no
San Diego - no
Miami - no

The common thread in most of our losses was completely awful offensive line play, REGARDLESS of playcalling.

Direckshun
06-01-2007, 12:26 AM
How many games do you think we lost last year because of the offensive playcalling?

Cincy - no
Denver - yes
Pittsburgh - no
Cleveland - no
Baltimore - no
San Diego - no
Miami - no

The common thread in most of our losses was completely awful offensive line play, REGARDLESS of playcalling.
To be fair, playcalling was a major problem last year.

It wasn't the sole reason we lost those games, but it was a major factor in just about every one.

Count Zarth
06-01-2007, 12:30 AM
To be fair, playcalling was a major problem last year.

It wasn't the sole reason we lost those games, but it was a major factor in just about every one.

I disagree. Denver was the only one because it was so close.

In Pittsburgh we just got ****ing destroyed.

Cleveland was obviously the defense's fault.

Baltimore the offensive line and Green gave us no chance, regardless of what plays were called.

In San Diego they actually tried to open it up and just got Green killed.

Miami was another cluster**** by the offensive line.

Direckshun
06-01-2007, 12:37 AM
I disagree. Denver was the only one because it was so close.

In Pittsburgh we just got ****ing destroyed.

Cleveland was obviously the defense's fault.

Baltimore the offensive line and Green gave us no chance, regardless of what plays were called.

In San Diego they actually tried to open it up and just got Green killed.

Miami was another cluster**** by the offensive line.
I won't blame Solari for Denver. We were bringing Huard in and everybody thought he'd blow.

Pittsburg we got destroyed everywhere. Playcalling was a part of that.

Baltimore, eh, I might give you that one. Playcalling wasn't great, but it wasn't critically bad. Same with San Diego.

It took us how long to get a first down against Miami? Blame for that falls squarely on the OC.

RadeAM
06-01-2007, 12:43 AM
Put him and Wendychili14 on ignore. It cuts most of the threads around here tonight in half.

RedThat
06-01-2007, 12:44 AM
How many games do you think we lost last year because of the offensive playcalling?

Cincy - no
Denver - yes
Pittsburgh - no
Cleveland - no
Baltimore - no
San Diego - no
Miami - no

The common thread in most of our losses was completely awful offensive line play, REGARDLESS of playcalling.

You forgot the most important game GoChiefs, the playoff game against Indy. Tell me the offensive playcalling wasn't terrible for that game?

Playcalling was a huge problem last year. And why was the O-line awful? First off, the line was banged up in and out for most of the year, a lot of shuffling going on there. and the poor Offensive line play is a resemblance of the playcalling. Wouldn't you agree?

If the Chiefs are gonna run, run, run...Then it's simple stack 8 guys in the box against the chiefs 5 O-lineman. And that is what happened a lot last year. Especially in the playoffs against Indy. Waaay too predictable. The offense has no creativity, no imagination. No smarts. And I was upset because the coaching staff shoulda at least had a half a brain to realize they should threw in a few extra blockers. Instead of having 5 guys block for you a lot of the time. Not much you could do as an O-line if the opposing defense sends more guys in than you can block?

That is 1 example why I could never understand why some people say the O-line sucks. What else more do people want them to do? We have talent on the O-line, but the offensive philosophy and lack of smarts on offense is going to kill those guys more than anything. If one thing, Blame the caoching because the coaching on offense sucks more than anything. And that is, I hate to say it, the downfall of this team.

Direckshun
06-01-2007, 12:48 AM
That's a very reasoned argument, RedBull.

Count Zarth
06-01-2007, 12:49 AM
I was upset because the coaching staff shoulda at least had a half a brain to realize they should threw in a few extra blockers.

Dude, how many games did you watch last year? Comments like these make me think about zero. The Chiefs utilized power formations ALL THE TIME.

The biggest problem with the offense was NOT playcalling. It was AWFUL play from the offensive line. We had two offensive tackles that aren't even starting caliber - one of them isn't even in the LEAGUE anymore.

I still stand by my statement that the Chiefs were forced to run the ball so much because they had NO CHOICE. The offensive line couldn't pass block consistently and asking Huard to drop back 30 times a game was out of the question.

Direckshun
06-01-2007, 12:51 AM
Hm, that's a pretty rational perspective, too.

Count Zarth
06-01-2007, 01:00 AM
BEEN STANDIN' AROUND SUCKING ON MY BIG OL' CHILIDOG!

A fair description of Jordan Black.