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Bill Parcells
06-02-2007, 11:44 AM
BREAKING NEWS
WNBC-TV
Updated: 9 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Three people were arrested and one other was being sought Saturday in connection to a plan to set off explosives in a fuel line that feeds John F. Kennedy International Airport and runs through residential neighborhoods, officials close to the investigation said.

The plot, which never got past the planning stages, did not involve airplanes or passenger terminals, according to the two officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the arrests had not yet been announced.

Law enforcement officials said the plot may have involved a former airport worker, as well as a former Guyanese goverment official, according to WNBC-TV NewsChannel4’s Jonathan Dienst, who first reported the story.
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Details were to be given out at a 1 p.m. news conference.

The pipeline takes fuel from a facility in Linden, N.J., to the airport. Other lines service LaGuardia Airport and Newark Liberty International Airport.

The arrests mark the latest in a series of homegrown terrorism plots that targeted high-profile Amerian landmarks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18999503/

Bill Parcells
06-02-2007, 11:46 AM
Say what you want about Bush, but the feds have been doing a great job catching these scumbags.

greg63
06-02-2007, 11:52 AM
I'm glad they caught 'em. String 'em up I say; 'cause you're not going to rehabilitate these people, so just save the tax payers money.

bogie
06-02-2007, 11:53 AM
Say what you want about Bush, but the feds have been doing a great job catching these scumbags.

Bush is an asshole. There, I said what I wanted to say. That being said, I'm happy with the job being done catching these scumbags.

Bowser
06-02-2007, 12:02 PM
Say what you want about Bush, but the feds have been doing a great job catching these scumbags.

Bush is a moron, through and through. However, the gubment has done a fine job foiling plots.

HolmeZz
06-02-2007, 12:08 PM
Say what you want about Bush, but the feds have been doing a great job catching these scumbags.

Fightin'em over there so we won't have to fight'em here!

Bill Parcells
06-02-2007, 12:14 PM
Fightin'em over there so we won't have to fight'em here!
Yeah, you have your own agenda, mr.libtard.

siberian khatru
06-02-2007, 12:17 PM
Just another Rovian concoction to boost Bush's poll ratings into the upper-30s.

Bob Dole
06-02-2007, 12:22 PM
Bob Dole will take "How to turn a breaking news topic into a political trash heap" for $200, Alex.

Adept Havelock
06-02-2007, 12:32 PM
Good job by LEA.

Bob Dole will take "How to turn a breaking news topic into a political trash heap" for $200, Alex.

Yep. In honor of that:

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gblowfish
06-02-2007, 12:57 PM
Let's see...
even money on these names showing up in the perp group:

Ahkmed
Mohammad
Abu
Abbas
Assad
Abdul
Omar

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 12:59 PM
crap that was the only way were going to get serious about closing the borders.

Mr. Laz
06-02-2007, 01:22 PM
Say what you want about Bush, but the feds have been doing a great job catching these scumbags.
LMAO


i knew there would be a "yea bushie" somewhere



so if some kind of attack does work you gonna blame him too?

i didn't think so.

Bill Parcells
06-02-2007, 01:29 PM
LMAO


i knew there would be a "yea bushie" somewhere



so if some kind of attack does work you gonna blame him too?

i didn't think so.
Atta (the guy who lead the attacks on the WTC) was in prison in Israel, until your hero brokered a deal to get him released.

http://in.rediff.com/news/2003/dec/14atta.htm


It goes both ways Laz.

chagrin
06-02-2007, 01:34 PM
LMAO


i knew there would be a "yea bushie" somewhere



so if some kind of attack does work you gonna blame him too?

i didn't think so.


Laz, do youexpect everyone here hates Bush like you and others do?

Still a free country and God forbid we supposrt the President for cripe's sake. :shake:


Just enjoy that a plan was thwarted and leave the Government out of it, DAMN!

Donger
06-02-2007, 01:41 PM
Let's see...
even money on these names showing up in the perp group:

Ahkmed
Mohammad
Abu
Abbas
Assad
Abdul
Omar

One of the four was arrested in the United States: Former JFK cargo worker, Russell Defreitas, a U.S. citizen and native Guyanan, who was arrested in Brooklyn, New York, according to a written statement from the Department of Justice.

The other suspects were identified as Abdul Kadir of Guyana, Kareem Ibrahim of Trinidad, and Abdel Nur. The United States plans to seek extradition of the three men charged outside the United States.

kc hopeful
06-02-2007, 01:42 PM
Let's see...
even money on these names showing up in the perp group:

Ahkmed
Mohammad
Abu
Abbas
Assad
Abdul
Omar

Nailed it.


http://www.newsradio940.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=2211644

The four defendants were identified as Russell Defreitas, a U.S. citizen and native of Guyana who was arrested in Brooklyn. Authorities said Defreitas was the former airport employee.

They said two suspects were in custody in Trinidad and Tobago, and identified those two as Abdul Kadir, a citizen of Guyana and former member of its parliament, and Kareem Ibrahim, a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago.

The fourth was named as Abdel Nur, described as a citizen of Guyana. They provided no other immediate information on Nur's whereabouts, but said Kadir and Nur were associates of Jamaat Al Muslimeen, which was behind a deadly coup attempt in Trinidad in 1990.

DaneMcCloud
06-02-2007, 01:44 PM
Laz, do youexpect everyone here hates Bush like you and others do?

Still a free country and God forbid we supposrt the President for cripe's sake. :shake:


Just enjoy that a plan was thwarted and leave the Government out of it, DAMN!

It appears that the thread starter was a "Yay Bushie" before anyone else.

And you're right. Only 70% of US citizens dislike Bush's efforts :p

Bill Parcells
06-02-2007, 01:46 PM
It appears that the thread starter was a "Yay Bushie" before anyone else.

And you're right. Only 70% of US citizens dislike Bush's efforts :p
Boy, the lunatic leftist libtards are coming out of the woodwork now.

All I said was ''say what you want about Bush''

How is that made out to be YAY! BUSH IS MY HERO!

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 01:47 PM
whew i am just glad we got osama bil ladin in our hands

Donger
06-02-2007, 01:50 PM
whew i am just glad we got osama bil ladin in our hands

Have you considered the possibility that we have?

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 01:51 PM
Have you considered the possibility that we have?


Yeah I imagine he will probably show up around election times. Right in the Cheneyburton's hands the era of curuption deciet and price gouging continues.

Donger
06-02-2007, 01:51 PM
Yeah I imagine he will probably show up around election times. Right in the Cheneyburton's hands the era of curuption deciet and price gouging continues.

ROFL

DaneMcCloud
06-02-2007, 01:52 PM
Boy, the lunatic leftist libtards are coming out of the woodwork now.

All I said was ''say what you want about Bush''

How is that made out to be YAY! BUSH IS MY HERO!

So I'm a "Lunatic Leftist"? Even though I've only voted Democratic in ONE election in the past 23 years of eligibility?

I DID vote for Bush - but I guess in your world he can't be criticized - much like God or the Pope, Bush in infallible?

Oh, then you say "Say what you will" but when people do, do slam them?

Who's the lunatic?

KCBOSS1
06-02-2007, 01:52 PM
It appears that the thread starter was a "Yay Bushie" before anyone else.

And you're right. Only 70% of US citizens dislike Bush's efforts :p

Well, we voted him in.........twice. These polls target specific people groups. Not accurate.

HolmeZz
06-02-2007, 01:55 PM
Well, we voted him in.........twice. These polls target specific people groups. Not accurate.

Denial ain't just a river.

Bill Parcells
06-02-2007, 01:56 PM
So I'm a "Lunatic Leftist"? Even though I've only voted Democratic in ONE election in the past 23 years of eligibility?

I DID vote for Bush - but I guess in your world he can't be criticized - much like God or the Pope, Bush in infallible?

Oh, then you say "Say what you will" but when people do, do slam them?

Who's the lunatic?
Say what you will about Bush, not me. ;)

You did not criticize me, you put words in my mouth, why would you do that if you didn't have an agenda?

A lunatic leftist agenda.

:shake:

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 01:56 PM
haha i was watching porn and reading this thread. I saw one for from the 70's of some hairy beave. "yay bushie" !

KCBOSS1
06-02-2007, 02:00 PM
Denial ain't just a river.

Denial? Well, let's see....is this his second term? yep....we voted him in TWICE. That's a fact. I don't think that he handles everything right, I'm sure. But a lot of these decisions are above our heads. He definitely doesn't deserve all of the credit for our capturing of terrorists, nor does he deserve all of the blame for us being at war and how that progresses.

Donger
06-02-2007, 02:01 PM
nor does he deserve all of the blame for us being at war and how that progresses.

Errr, is he still CinC?

Cochise
06-02-2007, 02:01 PM
It's hard to attribute something like this to any one person. There were hundreds of people involved in catching them, maybe even thousands.

I think the overall government attitude though is that stopping terrorism is of the highest national importance and I hope that never changes.

Unfortunately, it's probably only a matter of time until someone succeeds in doing something, but between this and Fort Dix just in the past two weeks, it seems like we're doing a good job of stopping what we can.

HolmeZz
06-02-2007, 02:07 PM
He definitely doesn't deserve all of the credit for our capturing of terrorists.

I agree. Just like he doesn't deserve the blame for 9/11.

nor does he deserve all of the blame for us being at war and how that progresses.

Uh, he's the one that sent us to war and he's the one that's keeping us there. He's also responsible for the war plan and how it progresses.

Pitt Gorilla
06-02-2007, 02:12 PM
It's hard to attribute something like this to any one person. There were hundreds of people involved in catching them, maybe even thousands.

I think the overall government attitude though is that stopping terrorism is of the highest national importance and I hope that never changes.

Unfortunately, it's probably only a matter of time until someone succeeds in doing something, but between this and Fort Dix just in the past two weeks, it seems like we're doing a good job of stopping what we can.Good post.

DaneMcCloud
06-02-2007, 02:13 PM
Have you considered the possibility that we have?

He's in a holding cell just to the right to the Roswell Aliens in Area 51.

Donger
06-02-2007, 02:14 PM
He's in a holding cell just to the right to the Roswell Aliens in Area 51.

ROFL

Eastern Europe, I'd wager.

KCBOSS1
06-02-2007, 02:21 PM
We are in war from now on. Make no bones about it. The Islamic extremists have declared jihad for centuries and they took an intolerable initiative at 9/11. We will be tracking terrorists until the end. I do think that this Iraq thing is getting kinda old. The whole goal for terrorists is to wear out the resources and courage of their enemies. They have a history of this. The problem is that that if some fairly serious efforts are not maintained, they will increase on our own soil. What say ye? I'm interested.

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 02:22 PM
it took me 60 dollars to put a half a tank in the denali. I say I have been terrorized enough.

KCBOSS1
06-02-2007, 02:23 PM
it took me 60 dollars to put a half a tank in the denali. I say I have been terrorized enough.

I know, I've got a Z-71 and traded off my Suburban for a Honda Oddessy....brutal.

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 02:25 PM
I know, I've got a Z-71 and traded off my Suburban for a Honda Oddessy....brutal.


I need to do that too, unfortuantely with the little ones I don't feel safe with them in a car like that. I am a bigger dude too at 5'9 290 so i wouldn't exactly fit into a honda.

KCBOSS1
06-02-2007, 02:27 PM
I need to do that too, unfortuantely with the little ones I don't feel safe with them in a car like that. I am a bigger dude too at 5'9 290 so i wouldn't exactly fit into a honda.

I'm 6'3, 260 and have 4 little ones too. The honda has surrounding air bags and handles a lot better, but I do miss the "tank" feeling a little. But we really like our van.

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 02:28 PM
Thats cool we keep on keeping on go hogs!

Bill Parcells
06-02-2007, 02:37 PM
it took me 60 dollars to put a half a tank in the denali. I say I have been terrorized enough.
That's brutal.

el borracho
06-02-2007, 02:52 PM
Good old chiefsplanet: "Yay! Somebody in authority did something right! Let's fight about it!"

NewChief
06-02-2007, 03:22 PM
I need to do that too, unfortuantely with the little ones I don't feel safe with them in a car like that. I am a bigger dude too at 5'9 290 so i wouldn't exactly fit into a honda.

Do you ever tell the truth?

dirk digler
06-02-2007, 04:49 PM
It's hard to attribute something like this to any one person. There were hundreds of people involved in catching them, maybe even thousands.

I think the overall government attitude though is that stopping terrorism is of the highest national importance and I hope that never changes.

Unfortunately, it's probably only a matter of time until someone succeeds in doing something, but between this and Fort Dix just in the past two weeks, it seems like we're doing a good job of stopping what we can.

Great post and totally agree Cochise.

Now matter how people feel about Bush and his handling of the Iraq War IMVHO he has done an outstanding job in the GWOT as well as the entire government.

Demonpenz
06-02-2007, 05:02 PM
Do you ever tell the truth?

yes

Bwana
06-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Fu*k you assholes that turn something like this into a big political pissing contest and get it moved into the DC. Some useless pricks tried to blow up a gas line which would have killed a lot of people and likely put a big hit on the economy and all some of you can do is bitch about the President. Sorry guys, but to me that is just ****ed up. I swear to God, if they would have succeeded in blowing it up there would have been posts skewing the tragedy in a political direction and rejoicing about it with an “I told you so attitude.”. Unreal.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2007, 05:20 PM
Well this is good news that they got 'em on two counts:

1) Our security is working.

2) Evidence that if we weren't in Iraq they won't follow us home.

tiptap
06-02-2007, 07:11 PM
Atta (the guy who lead the attacks on the WTC) was in prison in Israel, until your hero brokered a deal to get him released.

http://in.rediff.com/news/2003/dec/14atta.htm


It goes both ways Laz.

It was a Palenstinian Mohammed ATTA that blew up a bus and was imprisoned in Israel. The document implicating the 9/11 Mohammed ATTA with Saddam was false because the FBI was able to establish the Mohammed was in the US at the time the meeting was suppose to have taken place.


I am so glad that Al Quaeda is being thrown out in Iraq and Lebanon (though it has been suggested that the US had a hand in moving the AL Quaeda associated group to Lebanon along with S. Arabia to counter the Hamas movement there.)

It doesn't translate to acceptance of an occupying power and certainly not for 50 years like Korea.

patteeu
06-02-2007, 08:38 PM
yes

Without additional information, it's impossible to know whether this is a lie or the truth. :p

patteeu
06-02-2007, 08:40 PM
2) Evidence that if we weren't in Iraq they won't follow us home.

That's a head scratcher. :hmmm:

patteeu
06-02-2007, 08:42 PM
It was a Palenstinian Mohammed ATTA that blew up a bus and was imprisoned in Israel. The document implicating the 9/11 Mohammed ATTA with Saddam was false because the FBI was able to establish the Mohammed was in the US at the time the meeting was suppose to have taken place.

This is false. The FBI was able to establish that Mohammed Atta's cell phone was in the United States at the time of the meeting, but that's all they established. BTW, his cell phone wouldn't work in Europe so there wouldn't be any reason for him to take it with him on a European trip.

mikey23545
06-02-2007, 10:32 PM
LMAO


i knew there would be a "yea bushie" somewhere



so if some kind of attack does work you gonna blame him too?

i didn't think so.

That's the spirit!

After all, we can foil 10,000 plots, but only one has to work for you to start your anti-Bush diatribe.

Your and idiot.

Mr. Laz
06-02-2007, 11:09 PM
Laz, do youexpect everyone here hates Bush like you and others do?

Still a free country and God forbid we supposrt the President for cripe's sake. :shake:


Just enjoy that a plan was thwarted and leave the Government out of it, DAMN!
i bet you didn't "support the president" when there was a dem in office.

Mr. Laz
06-02-2007, 11:11 PM
That's the spirit!

After all, we can foil 10,000 plots, but only one has to work for you to start your anti-Bush diatribe.

Your and idiot.
being called an idiot by a POS like yourself is hardly an insult.


so it's all good :thumb:

BucEyedPea
06-02-2007, 11:11 PM
That's a head scratcher. :hmmm:
Well, for you I'm sure! :p

Logical
06-03-2007, 12:56 AM
Fu*k you assholes that turn something like this into a big political pissing contest and get it moved into the DC. Some useless pricks tried to blow up a gas line which would have killed a lot of people and likely put a big hit on the economy and all some of you can do is bitch about the President. Sorry guys, but to me that is just ****ed up. I swear to God, if they would have succeeded in blowing it up there would have been posts skewing the tragedy in a political direction and rejoicing about it with an “I told you so attitude.”. Unreal.

Well according to the Bush people there was no real danger to many people and it would have only had a slight effect on the economy. Hey that is what their official spokesman was saying.:shrug:

tiptap
06-03-2007, 07:08 AM
This is false. The FBI was able to establish that Mohammed Atta's cell phone was in the United States at the time of the meeting, but that's all they established. BTW, his cell phone wouldn't work in Europe so there wouldn't be any reason for him to take it with him on a European trip.

The problem with this, say U.S. law enforcement officials, is that the FBI has compiled a highly detailed time line for Atta's movements throughout the spring and summer of 2001 based on a mountain of documentary evidence, including airline records, ATM withdrawals and hotel receipts. Those records show Atta crisscrossing the United States during this period—making only one overseas trip, an 11-day visit to Spain that didn't begin until six days after the date of the Iraqi memo.

One FBI document, labeled "Law Enforcement Sensitive," states that during the summer of 2001, Atta "conducted extensive travel" that included visits in Florida, Boston, New York, New Jersey and Las Vegas. Indeed, this and other FBI documents show that during the last few days in June—when the presumed Iraq trip would appear to have occurred—almost all of Atta's movements are accounted for: On June 27, 2001, Atta flew from Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., to Boston. On the morning of June 28, he traveled from Boston to San Francisco (flying first class) where he switched planes and landed in Las Vegas that afternoon at 2:41 p.m. That afternoon, he rented a Chevrolet Malibu from an Alamo rental-car office, set up an account at an Internet café called the Cyber Zone and checked into the EconoLodge motel on Las Vegas Boulevard, a cheap motel in a neighborhood of seedy strip joints that is located barely two blocks from the local FBI office.

The FBI records show Atta logged onto his Cyber Zone Internet account five times over the next two days and then checked out of the EconoLodge at 3:30 a.m. on the morning of July 1. He then returned his rental car and boarded a flight to Denver at 5:59 a.m., landing in Boston later that day. A week later, on July 7, Atta boarded a flight from Boston to Zurich—the first leg on his trip to Spain. He returned to the United States on July 19, 2001.

Much about Atta's movements is still unknown—and most likely will remain so. FBI officials believe, for example, that Atta flew to Las Vegas as part of a series of trips he took that summer to test security at U.S. airports in preparation for the September 11 attacks. But it is just a theory. The visit to Spain is believed to have been for a meeting with Ramzi bin al-Shibh, one of the planners of the September 11 attacks, who also was in Spain during the same time.

While all of Atta's movements cannot be accounted for, enough is known to make it "highly unlikely" that the September 11 ringleader could have flown off to Baghdad for a three-day work program with Iraqi intelligence, a FBI official told NEWSWEEK. For similar reasons, the bureau has long since discounted claims by Czech intelligence—and widely promoted by some Iraq hawks in the Bush administration—that Atta had flown to Prague to meet with an Iraqi intelligence agent around April 8, 2001.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3741646/


Isn't it fear mongering to let the slim possibility of Atta having an opportunity to visit Bagdad dominate your thinking about the connection between 9/11 and Iraq. This is contrast to the dominant involvement with known Al Qaeda members based outside of Iraq.

patteeu
06-03-2007, 08:46 AM
The problem with this, say U.S. law enforcement officials, is that the FBI has compiled a highly detailed time line for Atta's movements throughout the spring and summer of 2001 based on a mountain of documentary evidence, including airline records, ATM withdrawals and hotel receipts. Those records show Atta crisscrossing the United States during this period—making only one overseas trip, an 11-day visit to Spain that didn't begin until six days after the date of the Iraqi memo.

One FBI document, labeled "Law Enforcement Sensitive," states that during the summer of 2001, Atta "conducted extensive travel" that included visits in Florida, Boston, New York, New Jersey and Las Vegas. Indeed, this and other FBI documents show that during the last few days in June—when the presumed Iraq trip would appear to have occurred—almost all of Atta's movements are accounted for: On June 27, 2001, Atta flew from Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., to Boston. On the morning of June 28, he traveled from Boston to San Francisco (flying first class) where he switched planes and landed in Las Vegas that afternoon at 2:41 p.m. That afternoon, he rented a Chevrolet Malibu from an Alamo rental-car office, set up an account at an Internet café called the Cyber Zone and checked into the EconoLodge motel on Las Vegas Boulevard, a cheap motel in a neighborhood of seedy strip joints that is located barely two blocks from the local FBI office.

The FBI records show Atta logged onto his Cyber Zone Internet account five times over the next two days and then checked out of the EconoLodge at 3:30 a.m. on the morning of July 1. He then returned his rental car and boarded a flight to Denver at 5:59 a.m., landing in Boston later that day. A week later, on July 7, Atta boarded a flight from Boston to Zurich—the first leg on his trip to Spain. He returned to the United States on July 19, 2001.

Much about Atta's movements is still unknown—and most likely will remain so. FBI officials believe, for example, that Atta flew to Las Vegas as part of a series of trips he took that summer to test security at U.S. airports in preparation for the September 11 attacks. But it is just a theory. The visit to Spain is believed to have been for a meeting with Ramzi bin al-Shibh, one of the planners of the September 11 attacks, who also was in Spain during the same time.

While all of Atta's movements cannot be accounted for, enough is known to make it "highly unlikely" that the September 11 ringleader could have flown off to Baghdad for a three-day work program with Iraqi intelligence, a FBI official told NEWSWEEK. For similar reasons, the bureau has long since discounted claims by Czech intelligence—and widely promoted by some Iraq hawks in the Bush administration—that Atta had flown to Prague to meet with an Iraqi intelligence agent around April 8, 2001.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3741646/


Isn't it fear mongering to let the slim possibility of Atta having an opportunity to visit Bagdad dominate your thinking about the connection between 9/11 and Iraq. This is contrast to the dominant involvement with known Al Qaeda members based outside of Iraq.

It's not fearmongering to correct your inaccurate statements. The smokescreen above notwithstanding (it has nothing to do with the period during which Atta would have been in Prague), the fact is that the FBI's only evidence that Atta was in the US during the alleged Prague visit are records of cell phone calls.

I'd be the first to admit that in the midst of traveling all over the place under his real name, it's curious that he would travel to Prague without using it. Nonetheless, the possibility remains, even though the evidence is slim.

The bottom line is that the following is still false:

...the FBI was able to establish the Mohammed was in the US at the time the meeting was suppose to have taken place.

"[A]ble to establish" should have been "believes" even though it doesn't carry as much impact when you put it that way.

Bill Parcells
06-03-2007, 08:53 AM
Well according to the Bush people there was no real danger to many people and it would have only had a slight effect on the economy. Hey that is what their official spokesman was saying.:shrug:
Link? :shrug:

tiptap
06-03-2007, 09:19 AM
It's not fearmongering to correct your inaccurate statements. The smokescreen above notwithstanding (it has nothing to do with the period during which Atta would have been in Prague), the fact is that the FBI's only evidence that Atta was in the US during the alleged Prague visit are records of cell phone calls.

I'd be the first to admit that in the midst of traveling all over the place under his real name, it's curious that he would travel to Prague without using it. Nonetheless, the possibility remains, even though the evidence is slim.

The bottom line is that the following is still false:



"[A]ble to establish" should have been "believes" even though it doesn't carry as much impact when you put it that way.

Anything is possible if you want to be speculative including the twin towers destruction was an inside job. Here you have inserted this speculative position that is discounted by the FBI. Atta had no record to warrant investigating him before 9/11 and would not have been served traveling under an alias when all his funding for his mission was in his good name. A slip up in trying to be deceptive about his movements at some border could have been much more trouble because it would have MADE him warranted to be investigated. My dismissals of these meetings is much more substantiated than the distortion of your position which you give much more weight to than it deserves as this point. That same article talks about the Prague secret police talking points and how the FBI finds not just this but other information offered faulty.

patteeu
06-03-2007, 11:41 AM
Anything is possible if you want to be speculative including the twin towers destruction was an inside job. Here you have inserted this speculative position that is discounted by the FBI. Atta had no record to warrant investigating him before 9/11 and would not have been served traveling under an alias when all his funding for his mission was in his good name. A slip up in trying to be deceptive about his movements at some border could have been much more trouble because it would have MADE him warranted to be investigated. My dismissals of these meetings is much more substantiated than the distortion of your position which you give much more weight to than it deserves as this point. That same article talks about the Prague secret police talking points and how the FBI finds not just this but other information offered faulty.

Nonsense. Your attempt to overstate the case against the meeting in Prague is much *less* substantiated than my balanced description of the real case and my admission that the evidence for the meeting is slim. And if we want to speculate about reasons for or against traveling incognito on this particular occasion, I don't think it's unreasonable that Iraqi intelligence wouldn't want to be tied to a guy who is almost certainly going to be identified after he dies in the 9/11 attack. For this reason alone, an Iraqi intelligence contact might insist that Atta travel under a cover anytime the two were going to meet.

In my view, this is nothing like the "inside job" conspiracy which is out-of-this-world nuts. (BTW, I distinguish between the nuts who believe in an inside job and the somewhat less nutty people who simply question the official explanation, which is no doubt wrong in one way or another).

If you are so willing to overstate the confidence level in a case like this and then defend that exaggeration like you're doing here after you've been called on it, how can anyone take for granted that you aren't doing the same when you make the case for global warming?

penchief
06-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Have you considered the possibility that we have?

Yes, I don't trust this administration to be honest about anything.

penchief
06-03-2007, 11:56 AM
Well, we voted him in.........twice. These polls target specific people groups. Not accurate.

I'll give you 2004 for right now. But I think the its becoming pretty clear that the American people got jobbed big time in 2000. It took me a while to come to that conclusion but now I believe it is most likely so.

God, imagine how different things could be right now if the leader of the free world was not an extreme right-wing ideologue and corporate figurehead.

Ultra Peanut
06-03-2007, 12:00 PM
FBI DID KENNEDY ASSASSINATION

Chief Henry
06-03-2007, 01:14 PM
Fu*k you assholes that turn something like this into a big political pissing contest and get it moved into the DC. Some useless pricks tried to blow up a gas line which would have killed a lot of people and likely put a big hit on the economy and all some of you can do is bitch about the President. Sorry guys, but to me that is just ****ed up. I swear to God, if they would have succeeded in blowing it up there would have been posts skewing the tragedy in a political direction and rejoicing about it with an “I told you so attitude.”. Unreal.


Amen Bwana...rep heading your way.


We have been kept safe here in the USA since 9-11 by no accident.
The safety of the USA is job one of the US Gov't. Some people
bitch because this makes President Bush look good.

DaneMcCloud
06-03-2007, 01:33 PM
Amen Bwana...rep heading your way.


We have been kept safe here in the USA since 9-11 by no accident.
The safety of the USA is job one of the US Gov't. Some people
bitch because this makes President Bush look good.

Sorry, this a ridiculous statement. How many pocket knives, box cutters, and other dangerous weapons have NOT been caught by Airport Security since 9/11? Thousands? Tens of thousands? We hear about it weekly here in Los Angeles. How many illegals cross our southern borders EVERY day? IF a Terrorist organization with the proper funding and planning wanted to strike, it could easily happen again.

I'm friends with the head of SWAT/Counter-Terrorism in Los Angeles (kind of a Jack Bauer type guy) and believe me, their job is NOT politicized in any way, shape or form. They're doing their DUTY to protect and serve America, not protect and serve George Bush.

I'm happy that law enforcement agencies were able to thwart this potential disaster. But credit should not go to Bush. That's freakin' nonsense.

patteeu
06-03-2007, 01:56 PM
Sorry, this a ridiculous statement. How many pocket knives, box cutters, and other dangerous weapons have NOT been caught by Airport Security since 9/11? Thousands? Tens of thousands? We hear about it weekly here in Los Angeles. How many illegals cross our southern borders EVERY day? IF a Terrorist organization with the proper funding and planning wanted to strike, it could easily happen again.

I'm friends with the head of SWAT/Counter-Terrorism in Los Angeles (kind of a Jack Bauer type guy) and believe me, their job is NOT politicized in any way, shape or form. They're doing their DUTY to protect and serve America, not protect and serve George Bush.

I'm happy that law enforcement agencies were able to thwart this potential disaster. But credit should not go to Bush. That's freakin' nonsense.

Uh, Keifer Sutherland just plays that guy on TV. He's not really that guy. :p ;)

ChiefaRoo
06-03-2007, 02:34 PM
being called an idiot by a POS like yourself is hardly an insult.


so it's all good :thumb:

I want to cut the heads off of your infidel cats Laz.