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jAZ
06-05-2007, 04:29 PM
http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/334.pdf

Few Know Giulianiís Abortion Stance
Which leading GOP candidate is pro-choice?

Among Republican voters, 43% are aware of Giulianiís (pro-choice) position, and there is little difference between conservatives and moderate or liberal Republicans. Moreover, just 44% of Republican voters who cite abortion as a very important issue can identify Giuliani as the candidate who supports a womanís right to choose. However, nearly twice as many Republican and Republican-leaning voters who rate abortion as very important say there is no chance they would vote for Giuliani, compared with those who view abortion as less important (27% vs. 15%).

Mr. Laz
06-05-2007, 04:35 PM
said this before when Guialani for flip-flopped on abortion.

the core base of the GOP is the religious right and they won't vote for anyone that isn't anti-abortion.

they would vote for David Duke(with an anti-abortion message) before they would vote for most quality candidate in the history of the world if he didn't at least pretend to be against abortion.

SBK
06-05-2007, 05:30 PM
said this before when Guialani for flip-flopped on abortion.

the core base of the GOP is the religious right and they won't vote for anyone that isn't anti-abortion.

they would vote for David Duke(with an anti-abortion message) before they would vote for most quality candidate in the history of the world if he didn't at least pretend to be against abortion.

Because of course all members of the GOP are backwoods, racist, homophobe idiots of course.

HolmeZz
06-05-2007, 06:26 PM
Because of course all members of the GOP are backwoods

Yes.

racist

No.

homophobe

Yes

idiots

Debatable. ;)

Mr. Laz
06-05-2007, 06:33 PM
Because of course all members of the GOP are backwoods, racist, homophobe idiots of course.
where did i say that?

i said for the religious right that Abortion IS the priority issue ..... they will bend on just about anything but Abortion and Guns.


it's the truth .... don't get mad because it's true

1. abortion
2. guns

followed later by

3. gays
4. taxes (aka anything resembling socialism)


these ARE the main points of core of the GOP :shrug:

mlyonsd
06-05-2007, 07:20 PM
Another "get the message out on Rudy" thread I see.

Baby Lee
06-05-2007, 07:29 PM
Another "get the message out on Rudy" thread I see.
Yes, jAZ must truly have a deep sense of civic responsibility, to so doggedly and painstakingly inform the rabid Christianist base of the shortcomings of these otherwise popular and viable candidates.
What else could it be?

The mind boggles at the depth of pure partisanship, sans principles, that would lead someone to think, "well that guy has some stuff I could be on board with, but he's popular and has the wrong letter after his name, best to so whatever I can to sow the seeds of destruction on the reasonable guy and hope like hell my guy can beat the nutjob they nominate instead."

mlyonsd
06-05-2007, 07:32 PM
Yes, jAZ must truly have a deep sense of civic responsibility, to so doggedly and painstakingly inform the rabid Christianist base of the shortcomings of these otherwise popular and viable candidates.
What else could it be?

The mind boggles at the depth of pure partisanship, sans principles, that would lead someone to think, "well that guy has some stuff I could be on board with, but he's popular and has the wrong letter after his name, best to sow the seeds of destruction on the reasonable guy and hope like hell my guy can beat the nutjob they nominate instead."

It wouldn't surprise me if we'll see a "Rudy hates dogs but loves cats" thread. jAZ would pounce on an article like that just to try and sway Big Daddy. Molding the minds of us stupid people on the internet must be a tedious thankless job.

recxjake
06-05-2007, 07:40 PM
He did great in the debate tonight....

noa
06-05-2007, 08:28 PM
He did great in the debate tonight....


I thought his first 9/11 reference was really forced.

recxjake
06-05-2007, 08:31 PM
I thought his first 9/11 reference was really forced.

He had great answers on Iraq and Health care. Took care of the abortion question again, and also did well on Immigration.

Nothing huge in the debate like the last one, but McCain and Rudy did the best.

recxjake
06-05-2007, 08:34 PM
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noa
06-05-2007, 08:57 PM
Rudy said, "We need to look at nation building as part of what we have to teach our military."

I think that speaks for itself.

Calcountry
06-05-2007, 09:35 PM
where did i say that?

i said for the religious right that Abortion IS the priority issue ..... they will bend on just about anything but Abortion and Guns.


it's the truth .... don't get mad because it's true

1. abortion
2. guns

followed later by

3. gays
4. taxes (aka anything resembling socialism)


these ARE the main points of core of the GOP :shrug:Borders language culture.

Logical
06-05-2007, 10:08 PM
Rudy's positions on rolling back civil liberties is scary and his support of the Iraq occupation is the deal breaker. I like his social issue positions for the most part.

Logical
06-05-2007, 10:13 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if we'll see a "Rudy hates dogs but loves cats" thread. jAZ would pounce on an article like that just to try and sway Big Daddy. Molding the minds of us stupid people on the internet must be a tedious thankless job.Why do you jump on jAZ but not recxjake?

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 02:22 AM
Why do you jump on jAZ but not recxjake?

Because mlyons is a partisan hack.

ClevelandBronco
06-06-2007, 03:22 AM
Why do you jump on jAZ but not recxjake?

Seriously? jAZ is an old fool. Jake is just a young fool. I'll forgive a young fool sooner than an old one.

jettio
06-06-2007, 07:30 AM
Yes, jAZ must truly have a deep sense of civic responsibility, to so doggedly and painstakingly inform the rabid Christianist base of the shortcomings of these otherwise popular and viable candidates.
What else could it be?

The mind boggles at the depth of pure partisanship, sans principles, that would lead someone to think, "well that guy has some stuff I could be on board with, but he's popular and has the wrong letter after his name, best to so whatever I can to sow the seeds of destruction on the reasonable guy and hope like hell my guy can beat the nutjob they nominate instead."

I think jAZ is quoting an article without adding any of his own editorial content, that is interesting information about anyone who is following the "horserace" in the opposite party.

I doubt that he has done anything at all to "inform the rabid Christianist base" by posting that in the DC forum.

As to Giuliani, he is being much more of a demagogue than a "reasonable guy" so far. Witness his attacks on Ron Paul, his clear use of focus group tested phrases and topic selection, and he is GWB, Jr. when it comes to trying to trick the stupid and easily afraid into voting for him.

oldandslow
06-06-2007, 08:03 AM
Again, Baby Lee and Mylon aside....

Rudy G is NOT going to win the republican nomination. Period.

Brock
06-06-2007, 08:05 AM
Probably because 57 percent don't care.

BucEyedPea
06-06-2007, 08:19 AM
As to Giuliani, he is being much more of a demagogue than a "reasonable guy" so far. Witness his attacks on Ron Paul, his clear use of focus group tested phrases and topic selection, and he is GWB, Jr. when it comes to trying to trick the stupid and easily afraid into voting for him.
Have you seen Rude-y's campaign bumper stickers?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2064/rudeysbumperstickerjs7.gif (http://imageshack.us) LMAO

StcChief
06-06-2007, 11:27 AM
Probably because 57 percent don't care.
:clap: no doubt. when it comes to sHillary/Obama and anyone else

The dumb,backward, silent majority will rise against Libs.


If for no other reason is they keep getting called 'dumb backward'.

Dems note to self. Don't bad mouth the 40% middle, who's vote you need.

HolmeZz
06-06-2007, 11:44 AM
Probably because 57 percent don't care.

Yeah, 57% of Republicans don't care about the issue of abortion.

Anyway, I think the point being made was that Giuliani's being supported despite most people not even knowing where he stands on the issues. And you really haven't been paying attention if you aren't aware of Rudy's abortion position.

Pitt Gorilla
06-06-2007, 11:46 AM
Another "get the message out on Rudy" thread I see.
It is disappointing to see information on a message board that should be hidden from the public eye.

SBK
06-06-2007, 11:53 AM
where did i say that?

i said for the religious right that Abortion IS the priority issue ..... they will bend on just about anything but Abortion and Guns.


it's the truth .... don't get mad because it's true

1. abortion
2. guns

followed later by

3. gays
4. taxes (aka anything resembling socialism)


these ARE the main points of core of the GOP :shrug:

You are totally wrong. I don't know if you had a monkey typing with a dart board you could have been more wrong.

The number 1 issue to the core of the Republican Party isn't abortion, it isn't guns, it isn't gays, it isn't taxes. It's NATIONAL DEFENSE. This is why Rudy is bashing that issue into the ground.

SBK
06-06-2007, 11:54 AM
Yes.



No.



Yes



Debatable. ;)

Coming from the "open minded" liberal type I see. :)

sportsman1
06-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Top issues in the election for me its..

1) Strong National Defense
2) Immigration ( I am the anti Mccain, Bush,Kennedy Bill)
3) Limiting social programs
( or as put by laz, anything resembling socialism.)

The fact that Rudy is prochoice is only one of many reason why I dont like him. It is not forefront but still important b/c that type of stance leads to other stances.

mlyonsd
06-06-2007, 06:56 PM
Why do you jump on jAZ but not recxjake?

Are you suggesting recxjake's and jAZ's post's are similar in intent?

jAZ
06-06-2007, 07:44 PM
Probably because 57 percent don't care.
:clap: no doubt.
Wow... Reading 101.
Moreover, just 44% of Republican voters who cite abortion as a very important issue can identify Giuliani as the candidate who supports a womanís right to choose.

Logical
06-06-2007, 09:26 PM
Are you suggesting recxjake's and jAZ's post's are similar in intent?

Absolutely, jAZ is trying to influence against Rudy and for a Democrat.

recxjake tries to influence people towards Hillary because he believes she cannot beat Rudy. That is when he is not pimping Rudy.

StcChief
06-07-2007, 10:47 AM
Wow... Reading 101.
Jiz take a hike. Don't you have diaper to change.

Brock
06-07-2007, 03:29 PM
Yeah, 57% of Republicans don't care about the issue of abortion.

Anyway, I think the point being made was that Giuliani's being supported despite most people not even knowing where he stands on the issues. And you really haven't been paying attention if you aren't aware of Rudy's abortion position.

I don't care about abortion. Nor do any of the people I talk to on a day to day basis. It's a fringe issue, plain and simple.

Baby Lee
06-07-2007, 04:33 PM
I don't care about abortion. Nor do any of the people I talk to on a day to day basis. It's a fringe issue, plain and simple.
And a good deal of those who are, are cognizant of a sense of stasis on the issue.

mlyonsd
06-07-2007, 07:45 PM
Absolutely, jAZ is trying to influence against Rudy and for a Democrat.

recxjake tries to influence people towards Hillary because he believes she cannot beat Rudy. That is when he is not pimping Rudy.

I've looked back at rec's last few threads and don't seem him leading anyone towards Hillary. If anything he bashes dems equally.

jAZ on the other hand is more calculating by honing in on Rudy. Taco does the same thing.

I'm pointing out the fact the liberal blogging group is out in full force early this election cycle. They know what they are doing too. Have you got a problem with that?

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 08:08 PM
I've looked back at rec's last few threads and don't seem him leading anyone towards Hillary. If anything he bashes dems equally.

Then you're blind. He's admitted to rooting for Hillary to get the nomination.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 09:47 PM
And a good deal of those who are, are cognizant of a sense of stasis on the issue.

Then why the constant invocation of the "culture of life" that surrounded the conservative argument against stem cell research??

Simple oversight? Moral relativism?