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Pestilence
06-05-2007, 05:11 PM
Dolphins finally get Green

Jay Glazer / FOXSports.com
Posted: 2 minutes ago



Chiefs quarterback Trent Green has finally got his wish. He's now a former Chiefs quarterback.

The Miami Dolphins have agreed to trade a fifth-round pick in the 2008 draft which could become a fourth-rounder depending on how much action Green sees for Miami in 2007 in exchange for the veteran quarterback, FOXSports.com has learned.
The deal is contingent on Green passing a physical. He is scheduled to fly to Miami Tuesday evening to take that physical.

The Dolphins could have ended the protracted negotiations long before Tuesday, but had held out in the belief that the Chiefs would eventually cut Green.

The long-discussed deal finally got done when Chiefs brass informed the Dolphins a trade had to get done by today or else they would have kept Green on their roster for the 2007 season.
Green played in just eight games for the Chiefs in 2006 due to injury. He completed 61.1 percent of his passes for 1,342 yards, but threw for just seven touchdowns and nine interceptions.

VonneMarie
06-05-2007, 05:12 PM
BYE! BYE!

Anyong Bluth
06-05-2007, 05:12 PM
Carl wins.

JBucc
06-05-2007, 05:13 PM
Good luck Trent. Glad it's finally over.

Direckshun
06-05-2007, 05:14 PM
DOLPHINS BLINKED FIRST. HAHAHAHAHAHA

So long, Trent :) Go be a 16-game starter, buddy. I'll try to catch you when you come to Arrowhead.

88TG88
06-05-2007, 05:15 PM
w00t

Sam Hall
06-05-2007, 05:15 PM
It took long enough, eh Miami?

Direckshun
06-05-2007, 05:16 PM
Holy shit, Carl brought him within a breath of the 4th rounder he was actually asking for.

Carl played this one perfectly. Even though I'm pretty sure the Dolphins will try to plug in Beck midway through the season.

JBucc
06-05-2007, 05:17 PM
Now, let's get down to business, quit fooling ourselves, and give Brody at least 75% of the snaps.

DaFace
06-05-2007, 05:18 PM
Carl wins.

I wouldn't go THAT far. He wanted a 4th this year, and our best case scenario is that we get a 4th next year (value of a 5th this year). They finally met in the middle like they should have a long time ago IMO.

chiefbowe82
06-05-2007, 05:18 PM
No more Trent Green threads!

Count Zarth
06-05-2007, 05:19 PM
Cool.

SBK
06-05-2007, 05:19 PM
Not bad. Kinda sad to see him go though.

Nzoner
06-05-2007, 05:20 PM
Thanks for the memories Trent and good luck.

Direckshun
06-05-2007, 05:20 PM
http://trent-green-news.newslib.com/img/logo/7182.jpg

TinyEvel
06-05-2007, 05:22 PM
It must have been the Rand Article.

Well, Trent's been great. All my respect and wishes to him.
I'm just relieved to move on and see what BC's got.

chasedude
06-05-2007, 05:23 PM
No more Trent Green threads!

'Bout Damn Time!!!!

Direckshun
06-05-2007, 05:23 PM
Rep to the first person that posts that picture of Green and Vermeil embracing after LJ ran in a touchdown to beat the Raiders on the last play of the game in 2005.

homey
06-05-2007, 05:25 PM
This still fells like we're just giving away a pretty good qb.

Sure-Oz
06-05-2007, 05:27 PM
Excellent, the green era is over, and we likely get the 4th round pick barring injury.

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 05:28 PM
The holding patern had me almost hopefull he'd stay with us....

Glad the drama is over and we could still get a 4, Dammit Carl, you're not giving us much to complain about right now..... :cuss:

Count Zarth
06-05-2007, 05:28 PM
Rep to the first person that posts that picture of Green and Vermeil embracing after LJ ran in a touchdown to beat the Raiders on the last play of the game in 2005.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5831/87fojs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 05:29 PM
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5831/87fojs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



that was pretty darn fast!!!!!

Mecca
06-05-2007, 05:30 PM
We'll probably end up with a 5.....I expect Miami to be the last place team so about when they get to about 2-7 they don't have much reason to play Green at that point....

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 05:30 PM
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5831/87fojs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:bravo: That is class GoChiefs!

chief52
06-05-2007, 05:30 PM
I was against giving the Rams so much for Green, but I was wrong. He did everything the Chiefs could have wanted.

So long and good luck.

Eric
06-05-2007, 05:31 PM
Everyone that slammed Carl is now an idiot.

This could have been the last straw.
http://www.chiefscoalition.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=67575

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 05:31 PM
We'll probably end up with a 5.....I expect Miami to be the last place team so about when they get to about 2-7 they don't have much reason to play Green at that point....


Neither will we, I say we should try and sign Plummer or else start Casey Printers half way through the season, play for a draft pick or something...

Mecca
06-05-2007, 05:33 PM
Neither will we, I say we should try and sign Plummer or else start Casey Printers half way through the season, play for a draft pick or something...

Big difference in starting a 2nd year QB and a 37 year old QB so I don't see how Green and the Dolphins are remotely similiar to anything here....

journeyscarab
06-05-2007, 05:33 PM
Thanks for everything Trent! Good luck with the fins.

Kclee
06-05-2007, 05:33 PM
So we have 2 extra 7th round picks and 1 extra 5th, and if the players we traded play well enough it's a 4th and two 6's. Do I have that right?
Every trade was for a conditional?

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 05:33 PM
orgasmic relief.....good job Carl, you called their bluff


but you still get blamed for something anyways

and anyone who says a 5th/Conditional 4th isn't better than a 6th and wasn't worth waiting for is a punk ass loser hot dog eater yeeeaaaarrrgghhhh

Sure-Oz
06-05-2007, 05:33 PM
So is the end of the Daunte/Miami era? He said he would want to be released/traded if Green came.

Eric
06-05-2007, 05:34 PM
Atlanta was in on the action.
http://www.chiefscoalition.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=67575

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 05:34 PM
Carl wins.

say it louder

CARL WINS BEEEYOTCH!

Thig Lyfe
06-05-2007, 05:35 PM
IT'S CASEY PRINTERS TIME!

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 05:35 PM
say it louder

CARL WINS BEEEYOTCH!
CARL wins playoff games baby!

chief52
06-05-2007, 05:36 PM
So is the end of the Daunte/Miami era? He said he would want to be released/traded if Green came.


I would think so...

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 05:37 PM
We'll probably end up with a 5.....I expect Miami to be the last place team so about when they get to about 2-7 they don't have much reason to play Green at that point....


you're probably still pissed we didn't give Green away for a 7th?

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 05:38 PM
Big difference in starting a 2nd year QB and a 37 year old QB so I don't see how Green and the Dolphins are remotely similiar to anything here....


I'm just trying to say "we suck" and "we're going to lose" before you do....



:p

Direckshun
06-05-2007, 05:38 PM
So we have 2 extra 7th round picks and 1 extra 5th, and if the players we traded play well enough it's a 4th and two 6's. Do I have that right?
Every trade was for a conditional?
You're right on Green, but I don't know the details of the Sims or Tynes trade.

I think Tynes was a "future consideration" so who the hell knows.

Mecca
06-05-2007, 05:39 PM
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.

journeyscarab
06-05-2007, 05:39 PM
You're right on Green, but I don't know the details of the Sims or Tynes trade.

I think Tynes was a "future consideration" so who the hell knows.
TYNES!

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 05:43 PM
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.


No, if you were being honest you could say "I'm glad the trade got done, I wonder how he will do in Miami"

Being negative is different "he'll never play 10 games, they'll either be losing and put in thier rookie or Green will get injuried again"

Which one sounds more like Mecca?

bogie
06-05-2007, 05:43 PM
Good luck in Miami. I'm glad it's done. What if he fails the physical?

nychief
06-05-2007, 05:43 PM
tynes was traded for some new york pastrami.

Rain Man
06-05-2007, 05:44 PM
And the assault on Mt. Dawson ends.

Passing Yards as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 28,507
Trent Green - 21,459

TD passes as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 237
Trent Green - 118

Completions as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 2,115
Trent Green - 1,720

Attempts as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 3,696
Trent Green - 2,677

Interceptions:

Len Dawson - 178
Trent Green - 85

(Regular season stats only)

Fairplay
06-05-2007, 05:44 PM
Goodbye Trent and Goodluck.

He gave us many solid years. No one can expect anymore then what he provided us. We just didn't have the team especially on the defensive side of the ball to get us through the playoffs.

Luzap
06-05-2007, 05:44 PM
Carl wins.

Slight correction...

Luz
We Win... :)

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 05:44 PM
You will be missed Trent.... Thanks for all the memories, the crushing blocks and the true class...

We will watch alot of you in Miami this year. Best of luck to you and your family.

Mecca
06-05-2007, 05:45 PM
No, if you were being honest you could say "I'm glad the trade got done, I wonder how he will do in Miami"

Being negative is different "he'll never play 10 games, they'll either be losing and put in thier rookie or Green will get injuried again"

Which one sounds more like Mecca?

Cmon their team blows........

We all know what Trent looks like when he's not behind an all world line....

luv
06-05-2007, 05:45 PM
We're really gonna rack up the rookies in next year's draft.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 05:45 PM
And the assault on Mt. Dawson ends.

Passing Yards as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 28,507
Trent Green - 21,459

TD passes as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 237
Trent Green - 118

Completions as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 2,115
Trent Green - 1,720

Attempts as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 3,696
Trent Green - 2,677

Interceptions:

Len Dawson - 178
Trent Green - 85

(Regular season stats only)
Pretty sweet numbers for 6 years of service...

Thanks Trent!

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 05:46 PM
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.

so the fact that Carl, in your opinion, got more for Green than he is worth is just "fine"? ROFL

getting more than for a player than the player is worth pretty ****ing awesome, I think...

good job Carl...but like I said, you won't get any credit...

nychief
06-05-2007, 05:47 PM
Green will start all season for the Fins, barring injury. Their d alone will keep them in games -

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 05:48 PM
Cmon their team blows........

We all know what Trent looks like when he's not behind an all world line....


just funnin with that's all, be negative if you want, I'm getting used to it.

bogie
06-05-2007, 05:48 PM
We're really gonna rack up the rookies in next year's draft.

Yea, let's get younger.

Direckshun
06-05-2007, 05:48 PM
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.
Honestly, it's possible Green stays in -- as long as he stays healthy.

If Miami honestly starts out 2-7, you know who you send Beck in against over the next six games?

Nov 11th, Buffalo young & upcoming defense.

Nov 18, @Philadelphia who always has a solid to great D.

Nov 26, @Pittsburgh, likely top 10 defense.

Dec 2, N.Y. Jets young & upcoming defense.

Dec 9, @Buffalo young & upcoming.

Dec 16, Baltimore, top 5 defense.

Dec 23, @New England, top 5 defense.

Dolphins may decide to avoid Ryan Leaf-ing Beck and keep him off the field out for the year.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 05:49 PM
Green will start all season for the Fins, barring injury. Their d alone will keep them in games -

Sounds like of like the Chiefs...

Croyle will start, LJ and our D will keep us them in games...

siberian khatru
06-05-2007, 05:50 PM
Carl Rooolz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luv
06-05-2007, 05:50 PM
Yea, let's get younger.
I'm already excited.

Tribal Warfare
06-05-2007, 05:51 PM
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.


Green will be fine, and will do an admirable job for the Dolphins

Cochise
06-05-2007, 05:51 PM
Nice. I'll tell you guys if I see him.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 05:52 PM
Come on Croyle dont let us down!

shrek6849
06-05-2007, 05:54 PM
Any good press for Carl is great news for the division, I hope he sticks around for some time.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 05:55 PM
Any good press for Carl is great news for the division, I hope he sticks around for some time.


ROFL your serious?

I would say the majority would like him out of KC on the first flight tomorrow...

luv
06-05-2007, 05:57 PM
I hope that means they'll start selling Croyle jerseys down here sometime.

shrek6849
06-05-2007, 05:57 PM
ROFL your serious?

I would say the majority would like him out of KC on the first flight tomorrow...

I would guess most rival fans wouldn't mind seeing Carl stick around.

keg in kc
06-05-2007, 05:57 PM
Where's wackinpuss to tell me how stupid I am for thinking Green's worth a conditional fourth?

Rain Man
06-05-2007, 05:58 PM
ROFL your serious?

I would say the majority would like him out of KC on the first flight tomorrow...

Wait a minute. Here's the problem. Your sarcasm meter was unplugged.

http://www.3dmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/unplugged.jpg

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 05:59 PM
NFL network just talked about the trade rumors, Adam can't believe it's been to this week and he hasn't been traded yet.

Said this week is the "last window" to get it done and if it happens it should happen this week. I mark his words around three minutes after this article was posted. Kinda funny. I wonder if they'll have an update before the hour is up.

rad
06-05-2007, 06:00 PM
I'm glad that debacle is over.

HBO probably isn't though.......they may have been looking forward to some drama in camp....

"Bob" Dobbs
06-05-2007, 06:01 PM
And the assault on Mt. Dawson ends.

Passing Yards as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 28,507
Trent Green - 21,459

TD passes as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 237
Trent Green - 118

Completions as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 2,115
Trent Green - 1,720

Attempts as a Chief:

Len Dawson - 3,696
Trent Green - 2,677

Interceptions:

Len Dawson - 178
Trent Green - 85

(Regular season stats only)


Yeah, 'cuz those postseason numbers woulda really helped Trent's case.

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 06:01 PM
Where's wackinpuss to tell me how stupid I am for thinking Green's worth a conditional fourth?

according to wackenpuss, Miami didn't need Green because they were fine with Clemon Leonade starting....whoops

I know it kills people, but Carl did his job with this....and all the whining about him and how it was killing our team etc was just ridiculous...

Carl won.

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 06:01 PM
NFL network just talked about the trade rumors, Adam can't believe it's been to this week and he hasn't been traded yet.

Said this week is the "last window" to get it done and if it happens it should happen this week. I mark his words around three minutes after this article was posted. Kinda funny. I wonder if they'll have an update before the hour is up.


They came back after the next break and said they had the breaking news, just sharing....


They are talking about Daunte now...

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 06:03 PM
according to wackenpuss, Miami didn't need Green because they were fine with Clemon Leonade starting....whoops

I know it kills people, but Carl did his job with this....and all the whining about him and how it was killing our team etc was just ridiculous...

Carl won.


Toast to the few of us that said be patient, Carl knew what he was doing....

People want to hate CP so much, it's funny.


-side note, Adam thinks Brodie has the starting job to lose, basically.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:03 PM
Wait a minute. Here's the problem. Your sarcasm meter was unplugged.

http://www.3dmojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/unplugged.jpg


Dammit Carl :cuss:

digger
06-05-2007, 06:03 PM
Thanks Trent. Good Luck.

ChiefsCountry
06-05-2007, 06:04 PM
Fox Sports the only one reporting this? I cant find it anywhere else.

siberian khatru
06-05-2007, 06:04 PM
Toast to the few of us that said be patient, Carl knew what he was doing....



Gimme a sip of that shit.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:05 PM
Toast to the few of us that said be patient, Carl knew what he was doing....

People want to hate CP so much, it's funny.


-side note, Adam thinks Brodie has the starting job to lose, basically.


We dont hate him forsay, his act has worn thin and is tired.....

18+ years of .500 butts in the stands football is wore out its welcome...


thats all...

DMAC
06-05-2007, 06:06 PM
We dont hate him forsay, his act has worn thin and is tired.....

18+ years of .500 butts in the stands football is wore out its welcome...


thats all...
LMAO Here we go.

Crashride
06-05-2007, 06:08 PM
that will be some shit if trINT comes out and kills it

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 06:08 PM
We dont hate him forsay, his act has worn thin and is tired.....

18+ years of .500 butts in the stands football is wore out its welcome...


thats all...

we KNOW

everyone KNOWS

everyone KNEW before your dumb ass showed up

you don't need to post it on every ****ing thread

WE KNOW

it has nothing to do with this trade

for the ass eating love of Christ find something new to post

siberian khatru
06-05-2007, 06:09 PM
We dont hate him forsay, his act has worn thin and is tired.....



Oh, the irony ...

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:09 PM
we KNOW

everyone KNOWS

everyone KNEW before your dumb ass showed up

you don't need to post it on every ****ing thread

WE KNOW

it has nothing to do with this trade

for the ass eating love of Christ find something new to post

Your will be alright there big guy....

Here is a tissue for you baby tears!

http://www.counselingkevin.com/images/baby_crying.jpg

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:10 PM
Oh, the irony ...

Tell me about it, now we can stop all the whiney that goes on here about Trent and how he is losing class because he wants to be traded etc....

Irony = Bitching about Trent threads each day....

UTChief
06-05-2007, 06:11 PM
Fox Sports the only one reporting this? I cant find it anywhere else.
The redzone has it (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-605green,0,4518909.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 06:12 PM
Tell me about it, now we can stop all the whiney that goes on here about Trent and how he is losing class because he wants to be traded etc....

Irony = Bitching about Trent threads each day....

we'll have to invent a whole new word for "stupid"....you are a new species of dumb

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 06:12 PM
The redzone has it (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-605green,0,4518909.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)

liar!

nick athan broke the story! buy premium!

ROFL

Cochise
06-05-2007, 06:13 PM
Damnit Carl. I can't believe you destroyed the team like this.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:14 PM
we'll have to invent a whole new word for "stupid"....you are a new species of dumb

Thanks, Guys like you are what makes this so funny... It cracks me up that someone could get so bent out of a post on a message board...

Thanks for the amusement, I can always count on you getting all wound up on something I post...

:bravo:

Cochise
06-05-2007, 06:15 PM
liar!

nick athan broke the story! buy premium!

ROFL

Someone needs to dig up those threads about the 'surprising' compensation we were going to get for him... I think I heard 'surprising', and 'multiple picks'.

Predictions, hot off the anus once again...

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 06:16 PM
Thanks, Guys like you are what makes this so funny... It cracks me up that someone could get so bent out of a post on a message board...

Thanks for the amusement, I can always count on you getting all wound up on something I post...

:bravo:

it takes less time to notice that you are complete dumbass than redrum's mom getting picked up in the Mens Room at a gas station...

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:16 PM
Damnit Carl. I can't believe you destroyed the team like this.


How did Carl destory this team? He got a pick for Trent, He has let Herm gut this team for the better...

I think Carl did the right thing in letting Herm rebuild....

So far Herm is doing what he feels is right, now he can name Brodie the starter and work exclusively with him and preparing him for camp, pre-season and the opener....

Solid move IMO.....

the Talking Can
06-05-2007, 06:16 PM
Someone needs to dig up those threads about the 'surprising' compensation we were going to get for him... I think I heard 'surprising', and 'multiple picks'.

Predictions, hot off the anus once again...

yeah, weren't Nick Athan and gochiefs peddling a "first day pick" rumors?

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:17 PM
it takes less time to notice that you are complete dumbass than redrum's mom getting picked up in the Mens Room at a gas station...

ROFL... complete dumbass? Man I havent hit moron status yet? Well let me refill my wine glass and I will see what I can do...

KurtCobain
06-05-2007, 06:18 PM
finally, Printers will get the reps he deserves. There's another CP a brewing.[/sarcasm]

Cochise
06-05-2007, 06:18 PM
yeah, weren't Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan and gochiefs peddling a "first day pick" rumors?

Something like that.

I'm not sure Athan could get it right now, let alone in advance.

Splat420
06-05-2007, 06:19 PM
I must be dreaming the deal can't really be done.

Fairplay
06-05-2007, 06:22 PM
yeah, weren't Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan and gochiefs peddling a "first day pick" rumors?


Yeah. Gochiefs was also saying the first round pick will be a big surprise and stuff. You would've thought he was Carls b-buddy the way he was acting like he had the inside track to the information.

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 06:22 PM
Fox Sports the only one reporting this? I cant find it anywhere else.

I just saw it on NFL Network, they just showed Trent's headshot with the Dolphin's backdrop, the aqua blue/green and orange = sad sight. Good luck Trent.

Coach Jim Mora just said we would win more games than Miami. we're the better football team.....

Mr. Laz
06-05-2007, 06:23 PM
should of kept him longer ........ somebody is gonna hurt.

hurt on our team or hurt on somebody else's


just watch.



deal isn't bad though

Chieftain58
06-05-2007, 06:23 PM
Thanks for everything Green!

Count Zarth
06-05-2007, 06:23 PM
Nick dropped the ball on this one again.

In fact, Warpaint only beat the Planet by two minutes. WOOHOO!

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:24 PM
I just saw it on NFL Network, they just showed Trent's headshot with the Dolphin's backdrop, the aqua blue/green and orange = sad sight. Good luck Trent.

Coach Jim Mora just said we would win more games than Miami. we're the better football team.....


Just doesnt seem right for someone to give that much to a team and city to move on so easy...

But hey that is professional sports....

Croyle for President in 07!

The Bad Guy
06-05-2007, 06:26 PM
Nick dropped the ball on this one again.

In fact, Warpaint only beat the Planet by two minutes. WOOHOO!

**** that Human Penis.

Tuckdaddy
06-05-2007, 06:26 PM
FINALLY IT'S OVER! At least we got something for him. 4th would have been better but what the hell. Bring on Brodie!

kstater
06-05-2007, 06:28 PM
Nick dropped the ball on this one again.

In fact, Warpaint only beat the Planet by two minutes. WOOHOO!


Yeah but you would have to be a premium member to get that information at warpaint.

Valiant
06-05-2007, 06:32 PM
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.


For once just quit typing.. Nobody knows shit on how the season is going to play out... Quit acting you like you know Miami is going to suck.. There is a reason why there is a word called parity...

Just so Mecca understands, here are some reasons why Miami MIGHT do alright...

They have a all-star front seven on defense.. That alone will keep them in the majority of the games...

They play in the East, which outside of NE is anybodies game..

Chambers, Booker and Ginn Jr. to throw to now... Vast improvement on WR's then the ones we had...



---------------

Trent good luck, you were great while you were here.. Hopefully we do not meet in the playoffs if we get there because I will wish you bodily harm...

Anyong Bluth
06-05-2007, 06:32 PM
Funny thing is I had a voicemail from my dad that was about 10 minutes before it was posted on either site telling me that Trent was traded. Don't know who he talked to, but he scooped all your azz's

KCTitus
06-05-2007, 06:34 PM
Good Luck, Trent...I hope he doesnt get hurt like he did in KC, considering Miami's OL is even worse than KC's.

Sure was nice to have a stable QB for as many years as KC did..maybe one day they'll actually draft and develop a QB. heh...where have I heard that before? hmmm.... :D

Fairplay
06-05-2007, 06:34 PM
Just doesnt seem right for someone to give that much to a team and city to move on so easy...

But hey that is professional sports....



I agree 100 percent. The NFL is a business and players come and go from time to time. Try not to get to hot and bothered over any player because they could be wearing another teams uniform soon enough down the road. Then you'll be the one bitching because they left our glorious team and they were just looking out for their own.

shakesthecat
06-05-2007, 06:35 PM
Dammit Carl! :cuss:

Skip Towne
06-05-2007, 06:37 PM
We dont hate him forsay, his act has worn thin and is tired.....

18+ years of .500 butts in the stands football is wore out its welcome...


thats all...
Carl has you by at least 80 IQ points. Better he stay and you leave.

DaneMcCloud
06-05-2007, 06:43 PM
For once just quit typing.. Nobody knows shit on how the season is going to play out... Quit acting you like you know Miami is going to suck.. There is a reason why there is a word called parity...

Just so Mecca understands, here are some reasons why Miami MIGHT do alright...

They have a all-star front seven on defense.. That alone will keep them in the majority of the games...

They play in the East, which outside of NE is anybodies game..

Chambers, Booker and Ginn Jr. to throw to now... Vast improvement on WR's then the ones we had...

Miami's gonna suck, with or without Green. No running back depth, no QB depth, awful offensive line and a rapidly aging defense. Joey Porter at MLB? Give me a freakin' break.

Trent didn't play well behind the Chiefs O-line last year. He's not gonna have it much better in Miami.

Oh and BTW, New England (on paper) looks to be the best team in the NFL. The Jets went 10-6 WITH youth on the O-line, RB and defense - they're not going anywhere. Buffalo improved dramatically over the 2005. The Dolphins will probably be the only team in the AFC East to finish with a losing record.

Simply Red
06-05-2007, 06:47 PM
Congrats Trent. Thanks and you'll be missed.

Mr. Kotter
06-05-2007, 06:50 PM
Well, it's about time. Fair enough deal--good job, Carl. Time to move on. :thumb:

Congrats to Trent. You were a class act....at least until April or so. You'll be missed.

This year, could be a tough year on the patience of fans though...and LJ better be ready for another 400+ carry season. :(

Demonpenz
06-05-2007, 06:52 PM
better stock up the jet fuel for air huard

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 06:53 PM
Carl has you by at least 80 IQ points. Better he stay and you leave.


Keep dreaming....:)

Logical
06-05-2007, 06:53 PM
Truthfully more value than Trent is worth but a great deal for the Chiefs.

Got to say good job Carl. (that was tough and strange)

keg in kc
06-05-2007, 06:57 PM
Truthfully more value than Trent is worth but a great deal for the Chiefs.Kind of hard to argue that a player is worth less than the amount that the only team openly bidding for his services was willing to pay.

Reaper16
06-05-2007, 06:58 PM
Good work, Carl. :clap:

Cochise
06-05-2007, 07:16 PM
What we are doing with this team looks good, on paper. I have to say I'm kind of surprised. Who knows if it will translate to the field, but hey.

Reerun_KC
06-05-2007, 07:21 PM
What we are doing with this team looks good, on paper. I have to say I'm kind of surprised. Who knows if it will translate to the field, but hey.


I am very happy with the results Herm has gotten this offseason... He is totally rebuilding on the fly....

should be a solid ball club next year.. Very excited!

InChiefsHell
06-05-2007, 07:27 PM
Later Trent. We will miss you...I mean, not '06 you, but you in general...you know what I mean...

...see you back in KC in 09. Not playing, I mean, after your Dolphins thing...oh, you know...

...see ya 'round.

Frankie
06-05-2007, 07:31 PM
Truthfully more value than Trent is worth but a great deal for the Chiefs.

Got to say good job Carl. (that was tough and strange)
I actually think Miami bested us again. They forced us to pay more than Surtain was worth and we couldn't turn the table on them this time. I really think Trent was worth the '07 fourth. Now we are not only not getting that, we are getting their '08 fifth, which is like their '07 sixth.

Cochise
06-05-2007, 07:35 PM
Nick dropped the ball on this one again.

In fact, Warpaint only beat the Planet by two minutes. WOOHOO!

That's like a dollar a second.

tk13
06-05-2007, 07:35 PM
John Clayton weighs in on the trade, including the conditional details. If Trent plays 70% of this season's snaps, we get a 4th rounder.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2894631

With two weeks remaining in the offseason program and a minicamp ahead for the weekend, Mueller and Cameron decided on Tuesday to up the offer. If Green plays 70 percent of the offensive snaps, Peterson would get his No. 4. The Dolphins expect to pay it because they acquired a quarterback who knows Cameron's system from their days together in Washington. Green will become the leader of the offense.

Green's acquisition means Culpepper's stay with the Dolphins could end quickly. Once Green passes a physical, he is expected to sign a three-year contract worth between $4 million and $5 million a year. Unless Culpepper takes a major pay cut from his $5.6 million salary, he's not going to get the chance to compete against Green. In all likelihood, Culpepper will be shopped, and if the Dolphins can't make a quick deal, he will probably be released.

The Bad Guy
06-05-2007, 07:36 PM
I actually think Miami bested us again. They forced us to pay more than Surtain was worth and we couldn't turn the table on them this time. I really think Trent was worth the '07 fourth. Now we are not only not getting that, we are getting their '08 fifth, which is like their '07 sixth.
What universe do you live on?

If you really think the market for 37-year old QBs are worth more than a 5th or 4th rounder, then I don't know what sport you have been watching. He got his brain scrambled last year. He's a system QB that flourishes behind a stellar O-line (what QB wouldn't?). You couple all these things together and it's a miracle Carl even got that much.

We couldn't get their 07 5th today considering that draft is over.

Dr. Facebook Fever
06-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Nicely done Carl.


:clap:

unothadeal
06-05-2007, 07:38 PM
Hip Hip Hooray!
Hip Hip Hooray!
Hip Hip Hooray!

CoMoChief
06-05-2007, 07:40 PM
YIPPIE!!!!!!!

Chiefnj2
06-05-2007, 07:44 PM
Does this mean Casey Printers now gets 1/3 of the snaps?

Good job Carl. Good luck Trent.

Cochise
06-05-2007, 07:44 PM
Green is a competent QB who understands the offense well and provides a veteran presence at QB that Miami has been lacking for 10 years. He's worth a 5th or so to them. I think both teams helped themselves here.

Easy 6
06-05-2007, 07:46 PM
This drama can now be put to bed, thank God.


Best of luck to ya Trent.

big nasty kcnut
06-05-2007, 07:47 PM
Beeeyahh good job carl.

Frankie
06-05-2007, 07:47 PM
What universe do you live on?

If you really think the market for 37-year old QBs are worth more than a 5th or 4th rounder, then I don't know what sport you have been watching. He got his brain scrambled last year. He's a system QB that flourishes behind a stellar O-line (what QB wouldn't?). You couple all these things together and it's a miracle Carl even got that much.

We couldn't get their 07 5th today considering that draft is over.
We are talking about a starting QB for the next 2 years for them. The head injury would scare me a bit too, but otherwise his age does not translate to a lot of thread wear. Many QBs have gone on with their careers after several head injuries. As for Trent being a system QB et al, even Joe Montana was a system QB. Every successful QB is only successful in the "system" he fits in. But what Joe Montana and, yes even Trent Green, have that lesser QBs don't is their poise, heart and leadership. It is how they get locker room respect and teammates who play for them.

Buehler445
06-05-2007, 07:51 PM
The long-discussed deal finally got done when Chiefs brass informed the Dolphins a trade had to get done by today or else they would have kept Green on their roster for the 2007 season.

How come Carl couldn't pull this powerplay earlier?

Smed1065
06-05-2007, 07:54 PM
Thanks and good luck Trent!

See ya.

htismaqe
06-05-2007, 07:56 PM
The Talking Can was correct.

100% correct.

The Bad Guy
06-05-2007, 07:56 PM
We are talking about a starting QB for the next 2 years for them. The head injury would scare me a bit too, but otherwise his age does not translate to a lot of thread wear. Many QBs have gone on with their careers after several head injuries. As for Trent being a system QB et al, even Joe Montana was a system QB. Every successful QB is only successful in the "system" he fits in. But what Joe Montana and, yes even Trent Green, have that lesser QBs don't is their poise, heart and leadership. It is how they get locker room respect and teammates who play for them.

He's had horrible knee injuries as well. It's not like he's been a healthy guy his entire career.

Trent Green had an incredible offensive line. It's pretty easy to be poised and have the heart to stand back there for 10 seconds.

With their line, Trent Green will be lucky enough to start 10 games.

Rain Man
06-05-2007, 07:58 PM
If we're going with a youth movement, whatever. If we can't get much trade value out of a 37 year-old quarterback, whatever. However, I'll go on record saying that we traded away a good starting quarterback for a low- to mid-round draft pick. I would've rather kept him on the roster myself.

unothadeal
06-05-2007, 08:00 PM
I bet HBO is kicking themselves right now.

Logical
06-05-2007, 08:03 PM
Beeeyahh good job carl.

Someone have a TK decoder ring we can use on that?

Logical
06-05-2007, 08:05 PM
How come Carl couldn't pull this powerplay earlier?

Because that is self serving BS, you shouldn't believe it.

Simply Red
06-05-2007, 08:08 PM
The Talking Can was correct.

100% correct.
About what?

Cochise
06-05-2007, 08:09 PM
We are talking about a starting QB for the next 2 years for them. The head injury would scare me a bit too, but otherwise his age does not translate to a lot of thread wear. Many QBs have gone on with their careers after several head injuries. As for Trent being a system QB et al, even Joe Montana was a system QB. Every successful QB is only successful in the "system" he fits in. But what Joe Montana and, yes even Trent Green, have that lesser QBs don't is their poise, heart and leadership. It is how they get locker room respect and teammates who play for them.

Can you name a QB who was good at 37?

I'm the biggest Green fan on earth, but sheesh.

Deberg_1990
06-05-2007, 08:11 PM
We are talking about a starting QB for the next 2 years for them. The head injury would scare me a bit too, but otherwise his age does not translate to a lot of thread wear. Many QBs have gone on with their careers after several head injuries. As for Trent being a system QB et al, even Joe Montana was a system QB. Every successful QB is only successful in the "system" he fits in. But what Joe Montana and, yes even Trent Green, have that lesser QBs don't is their poise, heart and leadership. It is how they get locker room respect and teammates who play for them.

Your comparing Green to a 4 time Super Bowl champ??


hahahahahahah

CoMoChief
06-05-2007, 08:14 PM
Your comparing Green to a 4 time Super Bowl champ??


hahahahahahah


There's no question that Green had great leadership and was an excellent teammate in the locker room etc. This has nothing to do with Super Bowls. Trent was the trigger man of an offense that lit up the league. Can't fault him for playing for a team that had arguably some of the worst defenses this league has ever seen.

El Jefe
06-05-2007, 08:15 PM
Good job Carly.

Cochise
06-05-2007, 08:16 PM
Your comparing Green to a 4 time Super Bowl champ??


hahahahahahah

I meant to reply to that part.

If you're a good QB, you get respect. Performance commands it. If you are a dickhole but make all the throws, win the league MVP, take your team to the Super Bowl - you don't have locker room issues. Winning makes everyone happy. Even Randy Moss was happy when the Vikings were winning.

tk13
06-05-2007, 08:18 PM
If not for Rodney Harrison, Trent would probably have his Super Bowl ring, and be considered one of the best QB's of his era.

Deberg_1990
06-05-2007, 08:20 PM
Can't fault him for playing for a team that had arguably some of the worst defenses this league has ever seen.

Agreed....but Trent made his fare share of mistakes as well.

I liked Trent and all, and glad he brought stability to our QB position, but i dont think he "walked on water".


IM ready to see what Croyle brings to the table. Ive wanted a young, franchise QB for a loong loong time...

BWillie
06-05-2007, 08:20 PM
And you people doubt Carl Peterson. Bow down to the King's greatness. How on earth you get a 4th rounder for a 37 year old QB with injury problems is beyond me. Hat goes off to him

Deberg_1990
06-05-2007, 08:21 PM
If not for Rodney Harrison, Trent would probably have his Super Bowl ring, and be considered one of the best QB's of his era.

Oh brother.......

Logical
06-05-2007, 08:23 PM
There's no question that Green had great leadership and was an excellent teammate in the locker room etc. This has nothing to do with Super Bowls. Trent was the trigger man of an offense that lit up the league. Can't fault him for playing for a team that had arguably some of the worst defenses this league has ever seen.You still cannot reasonably compare Trent to Joe Montana.:rolleyes:

RINGLEADER
06-05-2007, 08:25 PM
Hey, Trent was great when the only thing that mattered to the coaching staff was the offense and he had All-Pro caliber talent at almost every position along the front line. When he lost both those things he became very average very quickly. He will fit Cam Cameron's offense well but just as we saw during his first year here (remember all those WR routes that the receivers didn't follow through on that led to INTs?) it will take the rest of the team a season to get up to speed and, because of that, I don't see the Dolphins doing much this year.

RINGLEADER
06-05-2007, 08:27 PM
And you people doubt Carl Peterson. Bow down to the King's greatness. How on earth you get a 4th rounder for a 37 year old QB with injury problems is beyond me. Hat goes off to him

That was kind of what I felt. Outside of a great half in Cleveland he played like utter and complete dog-poop last season (before and after the concussion). Not saying it was all his fault, but he seemed to need Vermeil and that incredible offense line to be anything more than average (two things I don't believe he'll have in Miami either).

But thanks for some exciting offensive football Trent! All the best in Miami!

tk13
06-05-2007, 08:27 PM
Oh brother.......
He would. I said that from the beginning. The few times he got to play with the Rams, he was in another universe. He was 28-32 in the preseason before getting hurt, and the next season he threw for over 2000 yards, 16 TD/5 INT in basically 6 and a half games. I think it's unfortunate we have to even have this discussion, it's like Priest Holmes, people forget just how insanely good they were at their best.

NewChief
06-05-2007, 08:31 PM
He would. I said that from the beginning. The few times he got to play with the Rams, he was in another universe. He was 28-32 in the preseason before getting hurt, and the next season he threw for over 2000 yards, 16 TD/5 INT in basically 6 and a half games. I think it's unfortunate we have to even have this discussion, it's like Priest Holmes, people forget just how insanely good they were at their best.

The supporting cast, for a QB, was even better in StL than it was in KC. The Chiefs did amazing things with a few key players during the DV era, but the Rams were absolutely stacked in the skill positions, specifically WR during their run.

People talk all the time about how Trent's dropoff was due to the poor Oline. It's definitely part of it, but I think it's as much due to a poor scheme and understanding of how to run the offense they were running (on the part of the coaching staff). We'll see how he does with someone who actually understands the offense. Like someone else said, the first year may be rough. I hope not, because he has a limited number of years.

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 08:32 PM
You still cannot reasonably compare Trent to Joe Montana.:rolleyes:


what draft pick did we give up for Joe?

mdstu
06-05-2007, 08:42 PM
The News
Jake Plummer expressed no interest in returning to football when he made a public appearance over the weekend. "Everything I would need to play again, I hung 'em all up in a box in storage," Plummer is quoted as saying in Tuesday's St. Petersburg Times. "I want to be able to play golf when I'm 55. Heck, I want to play when I'm 40." The Buccaneers acquired Plummer's rights from the Broncos in March.
Our View
The Bucs already have Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia competing for the starting job. The team actually had the option of pulling the trade once Plummer announced his plan to retire, but they followed through and acquired his rights. For whatever it's worth, Jake has yet to file official retirement papers.

I saw this on fanball.com. Does this mean the donx still get the draft pick for him?

KChiefs1
06-05-2007, 08:45 PM
It's Brodie Croyle time baby!!!!!!!!!

Sure-Oz
06-05-2007, 08:52 PM
Oh brother.......
Easily would've with that STL "O". Probably puts up better #'s than Warner. Trent's accuracy was dead on till his injury and he did pretty damn well the few games he played for them.

Logical
06-05-2007, 08:52 PM
what draft pick did we give up for Joe?Please don't be stupid. You honestly want to compare a HOF QB that most consider to be the greatest of all time to Trent Green?

NewChief
06-05-2007, 08:55 PM
Easily would've with that STL "O". Probably puts up better #'s than Warner. Trent's accuracy was dead on till his injury and he did pretty damn well the few games he played for them.

Trent's dad went to training camp that year with the Rams. He came back talking about how "there was something special" about the team. He kept saying they were going to be amazing that year. None of us really believed it. Then... well... you know the rest.

pikesome
06-05-2007, 08:55 PM
The News
Jake Plummer expressed no interest in returning to football when he made a public appearance over the weekend. "Everything I would need to play again, I hung 'em all up in a box in storage," Plummer is quoted as saying in Tuesday's St. Petersburg Times. "I want to be able to play golf when I'm 55. Heck, I want to play when I'm 40." The Buccaneers acquired Plummer's rights from the Broncos in March.
Our View
The Bucs already have Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia competing for the starting job. The team actually had the option of pulling the trade once Plummer announced his plan to retire, but they followed through and acquired his rights. For whatever it's worth, Jake has yet to file official retirement papers.

I saw this on fanball.com. Does this mean the donx still get the draft pick for him?

My understanding is that the Donks bought the draft pick. TB gets to recover part of Jake's bonus if he retires. So basically they traded that bonus money for the pick.

mdstu
06-05-2007, 09:03 PM
Thanks

Deberg_1990
06-05-2007, 09:03 PM
He would. I said that from the beginning. The few times he got to play with the Rams, he was in another universe. He was 28-32 in the preseason before getting hurt, and the next season he threw for over 2000 yards, 16 TD/5 INT in basically 6 and a half games. I think it's unfortunate we have to even have this discussion, it's like Priest Holmes, people forget just how insanely good they were at their best.

I lived in St Louis at the time and i saw all that pre-season and most of those Rams games.


Perhaps, he would have, perhaps not. I dont like to go back and rewite history like that. Its just impossible and pointless really.


But if you must, i doubt T Green would have hit a few of the clutch throws i witnessed Warner make that season. Warner had a much quicker release. Green would have folded against the Tampa Bay D in that playoff game as well....

We could do this all night.........LOL

Sure-Oz
06-05-2007, 09:05 PM
I lived in St Louis at the time and i saw all that pre-season and most of those Rams games.


Perhaps, he would have, perhaps not. I dont like to go back and rewite history like that. Its just impossible and pointless really.


But if you must, i doubt T Green would have hit a few of the clutch throws i witnessed Warner make that season. Warner had a much quicker release. Green would have folded against the Tampa Bay D in that playoff game as well....

We could do this all night.........LOL
Given the shitty WR's he had to work with in his time here and the accuracy and high QB ratings he had here, i beg to differ. I think he would've had plenty of success in STL with Faulk, Holt, Bruce, Hakim etc....his numbers would've been insane.

Cochise
06-05-2007, 09:06 PM
Hah... Trent Green just trumped Fidel Castro on the Miami evening news.

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 09:09 PM
Please don't be stupid. You honestly want to compare a HOF QB that most consider to be the greatest of all time to Trent Green?


I came into the "comparing Trent to Joe" conversation late, I was only curious if we even gave a pick for Joe..... I didn't think we did, but I honestly don't know.

I would never compare the two, apples to oranges, IMO. But in comparing the situations, can this not be more support to your earlier argument that we (carl) did a good job in this negotiations?

I'm more on your side, BTW.

Logical
06-05-2007, 09:25 PM
I came into the "comparing Trent to Joe" conversation late, I was only curious if we even gave a pick for Joe..... I didn't think we did, but I honestly don't know.

I would never compare the two, apples to oranges, IMO. But in comparing the situations, can this not be more support to your earlier argument that we (carl) did a good job in this negotiations?

I'm more on your side, BTW.No we gave a Number 1 for each of them. So in that regard Joe does not trump Trent.

KCinNY
06-05-2007, 09:25 PM
I came into the "comparing Trent to Joe" conversation late, I was only curious if we even gave a pick for Joe..... I didn't think we did, but I honestly don't know.

I would never compare the two, apples to oranges, IMO. But in comparing the situations, can this not be more support to your earlier argument that we (carl) did a good job in this negotiations?

I'm more on your side, BTW.

IIRC, Carl gave the Niners a 1st round pick that they used to take Dana Stubblefield.

Ebolapox
06-05-2007, 09:35 PM
IIRC, Carl gave the Niners a 1st round pick that they used to take Dana Stubblefield.

if my memory serves correctly, the trade was thus

niners: dante whitmore (safety), joe montana, and a third or fourth round pick

chiefs: first round pick (can't recall how high or low) and (possibly) second round pick as well

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 09:35 PM
I wish Trent well...but if Miami's line is anything like the Chiefs line...he's not going to do well. That's for sure.

Coach
06-05-2007, 09:38 PM
No we gave a Number 1 for each of them. So in that regard Joe does not trump Trent.

Joe has a thing called a "Playoff Win" whereas Trent doesn't have one.

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 09:39 PM
2004 we could've easily won 12 games if Trent was a 4th quarter QB...he choked a lot of games away IMHO...

I liked Trent, I really did...but he wasn't anything more than above average...wasn't great, above average.

Had a great system, great (offensive) coach...

crazycoffey
06-05-2007, 09:42 PM
Thanks for answering my question, a few of you took my request way too literal, again I was only asking to ask, for my own knowledge, not for comparision,
Loved Trent, sorry to see him go, glad we had him, Joe has a much longer success streak, I wasn't wanting to compare, that was someone else.

Amnorix
06-05-2007, 10:11 PM
I like Green. Thought/think he was a solid QB.

But on that offense, behind that offensive line, I can't say I'm fearful. But he buys time for Cameron to build up the offense before they go to their second round pick this year -- Beck or whatever his name is.

chiefsfan1963
06-05-2007, 10:16 PM
awesome! Next year's draft is looking great right now. I see Green taking at least 70% of the snaps for Miami so 2 4th's is awesome for us!

Also this year we can truly rebuild for the first time in a long time. Thank God!

We have all our picks plus at least 2 extra picks I am psyched!!!!!!!!

Now all we need to do is play Brodie now as soon as possible!!!

AND Please do not win more than 5 games PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE!

We are no where near a good team so please don't pretend to be anywhere near a playoff team. Just like last season we had no business being in the playoffs. Don't luck into going to the playoffs please do us a favor and allow us the best opportunity to get a TOp 10 draft choice.

WIth all our picks it will go a long way in helping this team rebuild!

DenverChief
06-05-2007, 10:21 PM
awesome! Next year's draft is looking great right now. I see Green taking at least 70% of the snaps for Miami so 2 4th's is awesome for us!

Also this year we can truly rebuild for the first time in a long time. Thank God!

We have all our picks plus at least 2 extra picks I am psyched!!!!!!!!

Now all we need to do is play Brodie now as soon as possible!!!

AND Please do not win more than 5 games PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE!

We are no where near a good team so please don't pretend to be anywhere near a playoff team. Just like last season we had no business being in the playoffs. Don't luck into going to the playoffs please do us a favor and allow us the best opportunity to get a TOp 10 draft choice.

WIth all our picks it will go a long way in helping this team rebuild!

:rolleyes: rochambeau :loser: :moon: %(/ :spank: :bong: :stupid:

booger
06-05-2007, 10:22 PM
if my memory serves correctly, the trade was thus

niners: dante whitmore (safety), joe montana, and a third or fourth round pick

chiefs: first round pick (can't recall how high or low) and (possibly) second round pick as well
David Whitmore

Deberg_1990
06-05-2007, 10:24 PM
Just like last season we had no business being in the playoffs.


Please tell me what other AFC deserved to go the playoffs ahead of us that wasnt already there??

patteeu
06-05-2007, 10:26 PM
I loved having Trent Green and think he was a fantastic QB for the offense the Chiefs had during the DV era.

I don't think his efforts to get himself traded this off season were his finest hour, but it doesn't change how I will remember him.

My hat's off to Carl Peterson for not caving in to the Dolphin's hard ball tactics although I'm disappointed we didn't get more for a guy with such a strong track record who is clearly going to be Miami's best QB in training camp this year. In the end though, I think he got the best deal the Dolphins were going to give him and I think the Chiefs are probably better off moving on at this point rather than clinging to the past.

beer bacon
06-05-2007, 10:37 PM
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.

I don't understand why you think Buffalo will be better then Miami this season.

splatbass
06-05-2007, 11:07 PM
AND Please do not win more than 5 games PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE!

We are no where near a good team so please don't pretend to be anywhere near a playoff team. Just like last season we had no business being in the playoffs. Don't luck into going to the playoffs please do us a favor and allow us the best opportunity to get a TOp 10 draft choice.

WIth all our picks it will go a long way in helping this team rebuild!

As Herm would say, "you play to win the game." You NEVER play to lose. EVER. That builds a culture of losing, and creates a team of losers. We can win a lot of games this year, and we should win as many as we can.

Ebolapox
06-05-2007, 11:11 PM
David Whitmore

yeah, I'm not 100% on whitmore's first name--might have even been barry :spock:

shyguyms
06-05-2007, 11:15 PM
Yeah Good Luck Trent , Thanks for the memories
and thank God i don't have to hear about how much you earned and how you feel disrespected anymore.
Now your kids can go to a new school just like you wanted! You earned the right to be a Dolphin and not a Chief anymore Good Riddance!!

Pushead2
06-05-2007, 11:15 PM
See ya Trent, thanks for the memories.

L.A. Chieffan
06-05-2007, 11:58 PM
What I miss?

Ugly Duck
06-06-2007, 12:13 AM
It's Brodie Croyle time baby!!!!!!!!!

Who's "Brodie Croyle?"

ClevelandBronco
06-06-2007, 12:16 AM
Yeah Good Luck Trent , Thanks for the memories
and thank God i don't have to hear about how much you earned and how you feel disrespected anymore.
Now your kids can go to a new school just like you wanted! You earned the right to be a Dolphin and not a Chief anymore Good Riddance!!

Harsh way to treat a guy who left it all out on the field for your team.

blueballs
06-06-2007, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca
Just being honest......I don't think Trent will play 16 games......if he gets 10 I'll be shocked.

Bad line, last place team, they'll probably stick Beck in there once they get to the 2-7 point. If Trent isn't injured before that.

It's a fine trade even a 5th is probably more than Trent is really worth right now so it's a fine deal.
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it's a opinion
how the hell you can attach honestly to it
boogles the mind -self important dipshit

The Bad Guy
06-06-2007, 04:32 AM
awesome! Next year's draft is looking great right now. I see Green taking at least 70% of the snaps for Miami so 2 4th's is awesome for us!

Also this year we can truly rebuild for the first time in a long time. Thank God!

We have all our picks plus at least 2 extra picks I am psyched!!!!!!!!

Now all we need to do is play Brodie now as soon as possible!!!

AND Please do not win more than 5 games PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE!

We are no where near a good team so please don't pretend to be anywhere near a playoff team. Just like last season we had no business being in the playoffs. Don't luck into going to the playoffs please do us a favor and allow us the best opportunity to get a TOp 10 draft choice.

WIth all our picks it will go a long way in helping this team rebuild!

This is the same genious that would suck off Vermeil and Saunders at the drop of a hat.

PlEASSSSSSSSSSSSSE leave this board and never come back.

chagrin
06-06-2007, 05:28 AM
Trent Green was a great KC QB for a few years, I am sorry to see him go, I really am. Good luck in Miami.

boogblaster
06-06-2007, 05:30 AM
Green had lots of help as a Chief..that said he was a decent QB..Hope our QBoF can put up the stats Green did ......

KCinNY
06-06-2007, 05:39 AM
And the cleaning out of coddled Vermeil favorites continues.

rad
06-06-2007, 05:58 AM
For once just quit typing.. Nobody knows shit on how the season is going to play out... Quit acting you like you know Miami is going to suck.. There is a reason why there is a word called parity...

Just so Mecca understands, here are some reasons why Miami MIGHT do alright...

They have a all-star front seven on defense.. That alone will keep them in the majority of the games...

They play in the East, which outside of NE is anybodies game..

Chambers, Booker and Ginn Jr. to throw to now... Vast improvement on WR's then the ones we had...

---------------

Trent good luck, you were great while you were here.. Hopefully we do not meet in the playoffs if we get there because I will wish you bodily harm...

They also have this guy named McMichael, or something, I hear he's a pretty good TE.....

I don't expect much from Buffalo either, Losman sucks, rookie RB, Lee Evans #1 WR, mediocre D, etc......

The Jets - I don't know. Last year they lost to teams with a decent defenses (shut-out TWICE)and they benefitted from a soft schedule. This year they have a tougher schedule with games against Dal, Cin, Bal, Phi, Pit, (and KC :D)

The Bad Guy
06-06-2007, 06:02 AM
They also have this guy named McMichael, or something, I hear he's a pretty good TE.....

I don't expect much from Buffalo either, Losman sucks, rookie RB, Lee Evans #1 WR, mediocre D, etc......



McMichael is in St. Louis.

rad
06-06-2007, 06:05 AM
McMichael is in St. Louis.

:doh!: I need to pay attention.

He'll be reunited with Hakim, though.

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 06:29 AM
Anyone know what the mood is like at FinHeaven? It is blocked here at work so I can't just cruise over and lurk.

kepp
06-06-2007, 06:43 AM
Anyone know what the mood is like at FinHeaven? It is blocked here at work so I can't just cruise over and lurk.
Just a couple I saw:

We gave to much for green IMO. a 5th and soon to be a 4th... ouch.
I suppose you wanted a starter for a 7th rounder? This isn't John Madden Football's franchise mode.

C'mon. Let's be realistic here. We has come valid points about not wanting to give anything, but the reality of it is we aquired a proven starter in this league and not just a caretaker. A first day pick would've been getting raped. We gave up fair market value.

...and then there's this thread:

Green Will Take The Fins Into the Playoffs!

FAX
06-06-2007, 06:52 AM
A grateful and forever fond farethewell to the greatest blocking quarterback in the history of the NFL.

I'm sorry it had to end like this. Godspeed Trent Green.

FAX

Ari Chi3fs
06-06-2007, 06:58 AM
Hahaha... **** you Midwest Gutter!

Glad TG finally got traded. He was being a crybaby. Nice job, Carl.

Chiefnj
06-06-2007, 07:11 AM
You can bet that HBO is a little upset that this drama won't be going on while they tape Hard Knocks.

rad
06-06-2007, 07:28 AM
I bet HBO is kicking themselves right now.


You can bet that HBO is a little upset that this drama won't be going on while they tape Hard Knocks.

Why do you copy me?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4006806&postcount=72

StcChief
06-06-2007, 07:41 AM
Good Luck Trent. Tear 'em up ... you still got it.
We could use the 4th round pick.

Brock
06-06-2007, 07:57 AM
If not for Rodney Harrison, Trent would probably have his Super Bowl ring, and be considered one of the best QB's of his era.

Hee!

Frankie
06-06-2007, 08:36 AM
Hey, Trent was great when the only thing that mattered to the coaching staff was the offense and he had All-Pro caliber talent at almost every position along the front line. When he lost both those things he became very average very quickly. He will fit Cam Cameron's offense well but just as we saw during his first year here (remember all those WR routes that the receivers didn't follow through on that led to INTs?) it will take the rest of the team a season to get up to speed and, because of that, I don't see the Dolphins doing much this year.
I just hope that won't lead to Trent being pulled in favor of Beck before 70% of the snaps.

Frankie
06-06-2007, 08:43 AM
The News
Jake Plummer expressed no interest in returning to football ....
The Bucs already have Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia competing for the starting job. The team actually had the option of pulling the trade once Plummer announced his plan to retire, but they followed through and acquired his rights....
F@%&ing Donks get easy trade preys again, while we get Miami who trades with us like Scrooge. :banghead:

Frankie
06-06-2007, 08:47 AM
Please don't be stupid. You honestly want to compare a HOF QB that most consider to be the greatest of all time to Trent Green?
But I still say even Montana would have disappeared in obscurity if we and not Bill Walsh had drafted him. Walsh's "Westcoast O" fit JM's skills like a glove.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 08:52 AM
But I still say even Montana would have disappeared in obscurity if we and not Bill Walsh had drafted him. Walsh's "Westcoast O" fit JM's skills like a glove.

Agreed. Montana was never, physically, a great QB but the things he did well meshed perfectly with the scheme and personnel. He also had all the intangibles you could ever hope for.

alpha_omega
06-06-2007, 08:53 AM
Best of luck to you Trent...as long as you are not playing us!

Frankie
06-06-2007, 08:57 AM
A grateful and forever fond farethewell to the greatest blocking quarterback in the history of the NFL.

I'm sorry it had to end like this. Godspeed Trent Green.

FAX
HEY WELCOME BACK MR. FAX!!!

Rep for coming back and posting one that hits it on the head. You are not rusty at all.

Pestilence
06-06-2007, 09:17 AM
And the cleaning out of coddled Vermeil favorites continues.

So who do we have left? Wesley? Holmes?

ct
06-06-2007, 09:17 AM
I just hope that won't lead to Trent being pulled in favor of Beck before 70% of the snaps.

I haven't had time to read the whole thread, is this the PT benchmark for the 4th round upgrade? 70% of total offensive snaps?

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:19 AM
I haven't had time to read the whole thread, is this the PT benchmark for the 4th round upgrade? 70% of total offensive snaps?

that's what has been reported

ct
06-06-2007, 10:24 AM
Finally got a breather at work to catch up on news. I saw the 70% on Rotoworld, thanks for the updates guys!

Also just saw pop up on Rotoworld, Trent passed his physical, the deal is official.

chiefsfan1963
06-06-2007, 10:28 AM
This is the same genious that would suck off Vermeil and Saunders at the drop of a hat.

PlEASSSSSSSSSSSSSE leave this board and never come back.

I knew if I set the trap you would come. :p

BigChiefFan
06-06-2007, 11:44 AM
While I think Green has had some very good years in Kansas City, I'm glad to see the drama end. It's a little unnnerving not knowing what we have in Brodie Croyle, but I'm glad to see us looking long-term. Green was the wiley veteran who could have helped the team, but it's nice to see the team has a direction they are wanting to go and it's showing some promise. I just hope Croyle lives up to the expectations.

Good luck, Green.

Inspector
06-06-2007, 12:15 PM
Good luck Trent.

I hope you can eventually stop flinching when you see a Bengal's jersey.

And stop that damn drooling.......

Sure-Oz
06-06-2007, 12:30 PM
While I think Green has had some very good years in Kansas City, I'm glad to see the drama end. It's a little unnnerving not knowing what we have in Brodie Croyle, but I'm glad to see us looking long-term. Green was the wiley veteran who could have helped the team, but it's nice to see the team has a direction they are wanting to go and it's showing some promise. I just hope Croyle lives up to the expectations.

Good luck, Green.
We've never developed a young QB, i think now is a good time as any, esp. with the rest of the west having youth at the QB pos.

milkman
06-06-2007, 08:08 PM
I've always felt that it's a mistake to give up draft picks for an aging QB that only has a couple of years left, even Joe Montana.

So getting a pick that could be as high as a fourth for Trent Green is a damn good job by Carl.

Cochise
06-06-2007, 08:16 PM
It is possible what someone said, that if not for Rodney Harrison, Green could have gone on to get his ring and be considered one of the best QBs of his generation.

You can't tell me there was anything all that special about Kurt Warner, and until he imploded, he was being talked about that way. When he was in St. Louis he was great - very accurate and efficient.

Green was pretty productive in Washington the year he got into the starter role. He was great in St. Louis as the backup the year after the Super Bowl. Then he had 5 more productive years. I think it's fair to assume that if he had been on that team and got his ring people would be considering him one of the better QB's of the mid 90s-mid 2000s. He had the numbers already, the ring would have cemented it in a lot of people's minds.

morphius
06-06-2007, 08:19 PM
I've always felt that it's a mistake to give up draft picks for an aging QB that only has a couple of years left, even Joe Montana.

So getting a pick that could be as high as a fourth for Trent Green is a damn good job by Carl.
If there was an abundance of good QB's in the NFL I think most everyone would agree, but it is damn hard to find a quality QB.

milkman
06-06-2007, 08:24 PM
If there was an abundance of good QB's in the NFL I think most everyone would agree, but it is damn hard to find a quality QB.

Oh, I know almost everyone disagrees with me on that.

morphius
06-06-2007, 08:33 PM
Oh, I know almost everyone disagrees with me on that.
If more of the first QB's taken in the draft were to pan out, then I would probably agree, but when those guys never seem to come around, well, you just know it is a crap shoot.

milkman
06-06-2007, 08:44 PM
If more of the first QB's taken in the draft were to pan out, then I would probably agree, but when those guys never seem to come around, well, you just know it is a crap shoot.

Yeah it is.

But my belief is that you just keep rolling the dice.

I'm sick and tired of everybody else's discards.

KCBOSS1
06-06-2007, 09:08 PM
Great teams are built from both draft picks and somebody else's discards. Probably most of the leagues best quarterbacks were somebody else's discards. Look at Favre, Warner when He came to St. Louis, Green was an 8th round draft and worked his way up from 4 deep to be exceptional. Dawson was with 2 teams prior to the Chiefs. Most 1st round quarterbacks turn out to be mediocre.

I have a hard time putting much stock in draft picks, but then again, how else can players come into the NFL. It's not a Vince Papali league.

milkman
06-06-2007, 09:14 PM
Great teams are built from both draft picks and somebody else's discards. Probably most of the leagues best quarterbacks were somebody else's discards. Look at Favre, Warner when He came to St. Louis, Green was an 8th round draft and worked his way up from 4 deep to be exceptional. Dawson was with 2 teams prior to the Chiefs. Most 1st round quarterbacks turn out to be mediocre.

I have a hard time putting much stock in draft picks, but then again, how else can players come into the NFL. It's not a Vince Papali league.

Let me clarify my post.

I'm tired of everyone's old broken down dicards.

I want a young QB that we can hang our hats on for 10-15 years.

I don't want to keep looking in the scrap heap for guys that only have 4-6 years, at most.

NewChief
06-06-2007, 09:15 PM
Yeah it is.

But my belief is that you just keep rolling the dice.

I'm sick and tired of everybody else's discards.

Interesting theory. I'd be interested to see how many of the better QBs playing today are with the team that originally drafted them. I think your chances of getting a good QB are much higher if you go with a proven commodity than if you just keep drafting QB after QB.

NewChief
06-06-2007, 09:16 PM
Let me clarify my post.

I'm tired of everyone's old broken down dicards.

I want a young QB that we can hang our hats on for 10-15 years.

I don't want to keep looking in the scrap heap for guys that only have 4-6 years, at most.

Disregard my post below, then. I see what you're saying now. I thought you were saying that the draft was the place to roll the dice. I disagree with that. I completely understand wanting to get a young QB that you can develop long term and hang your hat on for a good, long while. I just think your chances are better looking places other than the draft to find him.

KCBOSS1
06-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Well, for 90%, nobody can say that Trent didn't have a good tenor with the Chiefs. 6 years is a pretty good life span in the NFL. 10-15 years is wishful. But with the free agency, and fan impatience with "re-building years", except for the few Bradys and Favres, 10-15 year tenors just don't happen anymore.
Besides, there is nobody that the planet wouldn't crucify within 5. That's obvious. lol

KCBOSS1
06-06-2007, 09:43 PM
I do have to take my helping of crow. Carl played his hand perfectly in this deal. When He played the, "you've got until tomorrow or we're keeping Trent on our roster." It got them moving. Makes me realize why these guys, execs and players are where they are and I'm....well....not.

InChiefsHell
06-07-2007, 06:26 AM
Well, for 90%, nobody can say that Trent didn't have a good tenor with the Chiefs. 6 years is a pretty good life span in the NFL. 10-15 years is wishful. But with the free agency, and fan impatience with "re-building years", except for the few Bradys and Favres, 10-15 year tenors just don't happen anymore.
Besides, there is nobody that the planet wouldn't crucify within 5. That's obvious. lol

Indeed. The fact that we had Trent for 6 seasons is above average...who in recent history was our QB for more than 3?

I think the best we can hope for Croyle if he is a successful QB is 8-10 seasons and that would be phenomenal.

Tribal Warfare
06-07-2007, 07:02 AM
Yeah it is.

But my belief is that you just keep rolling the dice.

I'm sick and tired of everybody else's discards.



formula for failure if one reaches in the draft

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 10:54 AM
formula for failure if one reaches in the draft

It may be a formula for failure, but we don't really know because we've never tried it.

We know for a fact that the approach we've taken - the approach milkman doesn't like (using somebody else's retread QB) - doesn't work because we've seen it first hand.

It's about doing something DIFFERENT, knowing full-well that it might not be any better.

pikesome
06-07-2007, 11:00 AM
It may be a formula for failure, but we don't really know because we've never tried it.

We know for a fact that the approach we've taken - the approach milkman doesn't like (using somebody else's retread QB) - doesn't work because we've seen it first hand.

It's about doing something DIFFERENT, knowing full-well that it might not be any better.

It would also be nice to be in a position, player and pick wise, to trade up if Joe Manning Marino Jr. was coming out of college one year. High first round QBs are risky but we've hardly had the luxury of making moves if we wanted to. The few times we have hurt but the myriad of holes and trading picks away have also limited our options.

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 11:06 AM
It would also be nice to be in a position, player and pick wise, to trade up if Joe Manning Marino Jr. was coming out of college one year. High first round QBs are risky but we've hardly had the luxury of making moves if we wanted to. The few times we have hurt but the myriad of holes and trading picks away have also limited our options.

Bingo.

chiefsfan1963
06-07-2007, 11:28 AM
this played out nicely for the chiefs who truly are rebuilding. Those folks who wanted to dump Green for a much higher pick right away obviously did not have clue.

Interesting comments by Green yesterday that he nicely said that the offense strategy at KC had changed since the hiring of Edwards and Solari promoted to replaced AS. We all know what he means reading between the lines.

Many of our playmakers have all hinted to it incl. TG and LJ during various interviews last year. Ironic that LJ got what he wanted when DV retired and Herm came in to replace him. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I am very excited that we have all our picks plus extras in next year's draft. I know that many on this board could care less about a Top 10 pick, but it would be nice to see us in that position next year.

Although my expectations are low for this team as far as doing anything this upcoming season, I always leave hope that 3 or 4 players breakout and perform to miraculous levels and change the dynamics of the team despite the game time coaching philosophy.

If our D can continue to improve from last year, and the above happens on the offensive side then perhaps this could be a much more exciting year. We'll see.

No matter what happens it's nice to know that we will have something to look forward to in next year's draft.

NewChief
06-07-2007, 11:34 AM
It may be a formula for failure, but we don't really know because we've never tried it.

We know for a fact that the approach we've taken - the approach milkman doesn't like (using somebody else's retread QB) - doesn't work because we've seen it first hand.

It's about doing something DIFFERENT, knowing full-well that it might not be any better.

So you would categorize the Trent experiment as a failure because he only got you 5 years of quality production? You're wanting someone to take you 8-10 years, I assume? How many QBs are out there who have produced for one team at a high quality for 8-10 years?

Frankie
06-07-2007, 11:38 AM
It would also be nice to be in a position, player and pick wise, to trade up if Joe Manning Marino Jr. was coming out of college one year. High first round QBs are risky but we've hardly had the luxury of making moves if we wanted to. The few times we have hurt but the myriad of holes and trading picks away have also limited our options.
mediodrity is the hardest trap in the NFL to get out of. It puts you in the middle of the 1st round. Never close enough to trade up or good enough to trade down.

Frankie
06-07-2007, 11:45 AM
Those folks who wanted to dump Green for a much higher pick right away obviously did not have clue.
I guess I've been one of those folks. But I did have a clue. The very same Miami gave someone a 2nd for a mediocre QB with a very thin resume a couple of years ago. I don't remember his name, but save for age Green is Zeus next to that guy.

L.A. Chieffan
06-07-2007, 11:51 AM
I guess I've been one of those folks. But I did have a clue. The very same Miami gave someone a 2nd for a mediocre QB with a very thin resume a couple of years ago. I don't remember his name, but save for age Green is Zeus next to that guy.
A.J. Feeley

Frankie
06-07-2007, 11:57 AM
A.J. Feeley
Right you are. The touchy-feely guy.

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 12:04 PM
So you would categorize the Trent experiment as a failure because he only got you 5 years of quality production? You're wanting someone to take you 8-10 years, I assume? How many QBs are out there who have produced for one team at a high quality for 8-10 years?

I certainly wouldn't call it a success, and that's my point.

NewChief
06-07-2007, 12:07 PM
I certainly wouldn't call it a success, and that's my point.

Okay. I assume you say it's not a success because the Chiefs didn't contend for the Bowl or even win a playoff game (fair criticism). Do you maintain that this is due to the fact that the team had to mortgage the defense in order to supply the proper pieces to make Trent look good for as long as he did? Do you think that having a Brady or Manning at the QB would have changed things?

crazycoffey
06-07-2007, 12:12 PM
It may be a formula for failure, but we don't really know because we've never tried it.

We know for a fact that the approach we've taken - the approach milkman doesn't like (using somebody else's retread QB) - doesn't work because we've seen it first hand.

It's about doing something DIFFERENT, knowing full-well that it might not be any better.


I finally found something to disagree on with the great and powerfull Htismaqe.

how is this classified as a failure? There are failures involved with draft picks and with free agents, but there have been some darn good gems this way. Even Grbac had a few good days, Priest was someone's trash, No one wanted Dante, Eddie Kennison, Andre Rison - All trash FA's, among others.

Green = not a failure (very solid stats, the D was the weak link)
Montana = not a failure (we went to a AFC Title game under him)

I wish we could draft someone to have for 10 years, but that happens rarely anyway, and we can't be full of draft picks that stay with us their whole careers.

I'd be interested in seeing some stats comparing all the FA QBs (for now only QBs) and compare them side by side, cost to aquire, win/loss, stats for each then maybe we can say, you are right this process is a failure, or maybe we would have to say (gulp) Carl's doing alright....