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Douche Baggins
06-05-2007, 09:46 PM
I'll be on at 8 AM to discuss the Michael Vick situation with Jay Pace and Chad Barnett on "The Starting Lineup."

http://www.1490wana.com/showdj.asp?DJID=34054

|Zach|
06-05-2007, 10:05 PM
Awesome, ha...

Good luck!

KCFalcon59
06-05-2007, 10:11 PM
Don't stay up late.

patteeu
06-05-2007, 10:12 PM
Great job! Don't forget to mention ChiefsPlanet.

Phobia
06-05-2007, 10:14 PM
This is going to be awesome. I hope a lot of people listen. Thicken up that skin, dude.

BWillie
06-05-2007, 10:23 PM
I imagine you can only listen to it on the internet? BTW, congrats, you must be doing something right.

Rain Man
06-05-2007, 10:27 PM
Be sure to mention that Vick has a short attention spaniel and that the coaches won't let him make his own collies in the huddle, and that he has a marijuana problem and can't whippet.

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 10:33 PM
what inside information do you have on the Mike Vick situation?

Just curious why'd they'd interview for something pertaining Mike Vick rather than the KC Chiefs...

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 10:34 PM
I used to be a regular caller on 670 the Score in Chicago...

Deberg_1990
06-05-2007, 10:34 PM
what inside information do you have on the Mike Vick situation?

Just curious why'd they'd interview for something pertaining Mike Vick rather than the KC Chiefs...

my thoughts exactly....

Did you work on his dog farm GoChiefs??

Phobia
06-05-2007, 10:35 PM
what inside information do you have on the Mike Vick situation?

Just curious why'd they'd interview for something pertaining Mike Vick rather than the KC Chiefs...
He wrote a Vick-centric column recently.

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 10:36 PM
He wrote a Vick-centric column recently.
I saw his column...

But what are the dudes going to ask Clayton that they don't already know?

I mean, I thought he wrote a good column and all but it was all opinion and nothing factual...

Why are the listeners going to want to listen to a Chiefs columnists' opinion on the Michael Vick situation?

Just doesn't make sense...

Phobia
06-05-2007, 10:39 PM
Sports talk radio is the most oversaturated radio in the country, IMO. There's only so much one can talk about and only so many guests you can get on. Why not have him on? Maybe it will make for interesting radio.... Maybe it won't.

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 10:41 PM
Sports talk radio is the most oversaturated radio in the country, IMO. There's only so much one can talk about and only so many guests you can get on. Why not have him on? Maybe it will make for interesting radio.... Maybe it won't.
I'm not criticizing...I like Clayton...I think he's a smart guy...

I'm just thinking that radio station can't be too popular if they are interviewing a Chiefs guy with no inside information to anything in the Vick saga...

Phobia
06-05-2007, 10:42 PM
Maybe they think he has a unique take on the situation.

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 10:43 PM
Maybe they think he has a unique take on the situation.
according to his column, or at least what I remember, all he says is that Goodell should suspend him immediately...that isn't a unique take...the common fan thinks the same thing...

Phobia
06-05-2007, 10:45 PM
Maybe they're uninformed. Maybe they need to fill space. Maybe they're offering both sides of the Vick argument and putting it into one segment. Maybe the price was right. I have no idea.

Buehler445
06-05-2007, 10:46 PM
Congrats GoChiefs. Lord knows my fat butt isn't getting on the radio. Just do your thang man.

Short Leash Hootie
06-05-2007, 10:48 PM
I wouldn't mind hearing Clayton on the radio...I might tune in...

Phobia
06-05-2007, 11:08 PM
I wouldn't mind hearing Clayton on the radio...I might tune in...
It will be amusing, IMO. I probably won't tune in but I'm looking forward to hearing it.

Best of luck, Clayton.

booger
06-05-2007, 11:47 PM
Congrats.

Don't let them tease you about being a virgin.

Silock
06-05-2007, 11:52 PM
I'm totally going to call in and tell them all your dirty secrets :)

Phobia
06-05-2007, 11:53 PM
Congrats.

Don't let them tease you about being a virgin.

Brutal.

booger
06-05-2007, 11:56 PM
Brutal.

He would have a good angle on the subject. Vick is being sued for allegedly giving some chick Herpes.

Rain Man
06-05-2007, 11:58 PM
Be sure to mention that Vick is a good ball terrier and that the media should stop hounding him.

Phobia
06-06-2007, 12:03 AM
This thread is pittiful.

booger
06-06-2007, 12:04 AM
Be sure to mention that Vick is a good ball terrier and that the media should stop hounding him.

that's just bad to the bone dawg. ROFL

el borracho
06-06-2007, 12:06 AM
How did GoChiefs get in the WNBA? Is this a lost episode of Bosom Buddies?

booger
06-06-2007, 12:12 AM
let's not get this twisted.

mikey23545
06-06-2007, 12:31 AM
Congratulations, GoChiefs!

Pants
06-06-2007, 12:33 AM
I used to be a regular caller on 670 the Score in Chicago...

Wow, you're special...

GoChiefs > You.

lol

Valiant
06-06-2007, 12:42 AM
Maybe they think he has a unique take on the situation.


What??? The fact he used some Dukes of Hazzards context in his article about Vick.. Or the fact that he really didn't say anything new in his article, just rehashed information like it was his own..

Props to the guy on writing a article but it served no point, he did not do any investigating. It was all his opinion which he tried stating as fact...

Short Leash Hootie
06-06-2007, 01:19 AM
Wow, you're special...

GoChiefs > You.

lol
ok?

Silock
06-06-2007, 02:11 AM
What??? The fact he used some Dukes of Hazzards context in his article about Vick.. Or the fact that he really didn't say anything new in his article, just rehashed information like it was his own..

Props to the guy on writing a article but it served no point, he did not do any investigating. It was all his opinion which he tried stating as fact...

Yet, he's got an interview and I don't.

Of course, I didn't write an article, either.

Coincidence? I think not!

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 02:19 AM
I used to be a regular caller on 670 the Score in Chicago...

I've never heard 670, but ESPN 1000 in Chicago sucks a goat's ass.

Silock
06-06-2007, 02:21 AM
ESPN sucks a goat's ass.

Fixed!

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 02:28 AM
Good luck GoChiefs.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 05:16 AM
It's always good to get air time and ... this should be comical.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 05:24 AM
I just noticed the "listen live" link is on their front page:

http://www.1490wana.com/default.asp

Great thread, BTW. :)

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 05:27 AM
Kidding aside... if you try not to be too cute or clever with wise cracks or one liners, you might do ok. I'm still unclear what type of take you may have that is different from the average guy that calls in to the talk show, but give it a whirl.

Donger
06-06-2007, 05:29 AM
Good luck, GoChiefs. I'm happy for you. At least your horrendous use of apostrophes will not be noticed verbally.

Silock
06-06-2007, 05:30 AM
Kidding aside... if you try not to be too cute or clever with wise cracks or one liners, you might do ok. I'm still unclear what type of take you may have that is different from the average guy that calls in to the talk show, but give it a whirl.

10:1 he mentions LJ somehow.

Donger
06-06-2007, 05:31 AM
WTF? Did someone turn on spell check?

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 05:31 AM
10:1 he mentions LJ somehow.

Oh, there's no question that LJ love and the Green trade will find it's way into the Vick conversation...

Pushead2
06-06-2007, 05:40 AM
Oh, there's no question that LJ love and the Green trade will find it's way into the Vick conversation...

Or sexy men that he desires???

Silock
06-06-2007, 05:52 AM
WTF? Did someone turn on spell check?

I' do'n't k'now' wh'at y'ou'r'e ta'lkin'g ' ab'out. '

Donger
06-06-2007, 05:57 AM
I' do'n't k'now' wh'at y'ou'r'e ta'lkin'g ' ab'out. '

Firefox 2.0 must have a built-in spell check. I just upgraded yesterday.

chagrin
06-06-2007, 06:02 AM
my listen now link doesn't work Media player is stuck on "connecting"

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 06:15 AM
my listen now link doesn't work Media player is stuck on "connecting"

Use Winamp.

Stewie
06-06-2007, 06:26 AM
I'm in the same boat as Chagrin and I'm at work, so downloading winamp isn't an option. Could someone record the interview and post later? I'd like to listen when I get home.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 06:31 AM
Their entire site needs an overhaul... it was slow as hell in my browser (firefox) and the only site that has given me issues.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 06:34 AM
GC - you should read this... just so you're on the up and up.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/fantasy/story/10185939/rss

Fire Me Boy!
06-06-2007, 07:00 AM
I'd be much more interested in this if I hadn't read GoChiefs' comments regarding his writing vs. Rain Man's.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4002191&postcount=1069

Made me think, "What a dick" and now I don't care about what he does. That comment sounds very egotistical and like he's trying to prove something. Like Phil said in that thread, major turn off.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 07:04 AM
GC thinks he's special now b/c he gets to write for a site... and, he wasn't contacted by ESPN Radio. GC was contacted by some spare internet only sports station with a bad site that airs some ESPN Radio content.

Small station... small time, airing ESPN Radio content for validation. It's a perfect match.

And, if 4 of you log on to listen ... you'll triple their audience average.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:04 AM
GC was contacted by some spare internet only sports station .

Uh, no. What part of of 1490 don't you understand?

Anyong Bluth
06-06-2007, 07:06 AM
Same boat here, clicked on the link- can't get a connect ion, and its jackin up Firefox- which as was said before, the only site I've really ever seen this happen with?

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 07:06 AM
It's 8:06am .... shouldn't you be sparing their listener to death?

crazycoffey
06-06-2007, 07:07 AM
congrats man, good luck. Give us the play by play when you get back....

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:08 AM
Listen live takes me to some other station....

I'm on now.

crazycoffey
06-06-2007, 07:08 AM
Same boat here, clicked on the link- can't get a connect ion, and its jackin up Firefox- which as was said before, the only site I've really ever seen this happen with?



worked fine for me, Microsoft, wireless, yahoo DSL

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 07:11 AM
Listen live takes me to some other station....

I'm on now.

Heh ... that's probably good for the listener.

crazycoffey
06-06-2007, 07:13 AM
now the site is messing up for me too, freeze up. But I generated a report to Microsoft, so they are in trouble now.....

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 07:13 AM
I tried in with Firefox and IE... same issues and I'm using FiOS...

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 07:21 AM
Dammit! Sandbox didn't allow it either. I'm sure he'll have a recorded link.

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 07:21 AM
Uh, no. What part of of 1490 don't you understand?

Idon't understand why this CRAPPY station website keeps locking up my browser.

Tell them that thier website SUCKS ASS!

:cuss:

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 07:22 AM
It sounds like a top notch organization.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:23 AM
Interview is over. It went pretty well. Warpaint was plugged.

Short Leash Hootie
06-06-2007, 07:24 AM
link

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:25 AM
We also talked about Brodie Croyle.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 07:26 AM
Interview is over. It went pretty well. Warpaint was plugged.

Why is that not a shock...

crazycoffey
06-06-2007, 07:26 AM
well, as long as warpaint was plugged :rolleyes:

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:26 AM
Why is that not a shock...

Hell, I wasn't even the one doing the plugging. :)

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 07:27 AM
My guess is the call was a whole lot of nothing.

"So, you wrote an article blasting Vick and the commish"
"Yes.. did I mention WarPaint Illustrated and that I'd love to fluff Larry Johnson"
"Well... that's great... I guess, so what about Vick?"
"Vick? Bah - that was filler, I don't care about ATL"
"Ok, so that wraps it up"

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:29 AM
Actually it was pretty good banter. We talked about if he should be suspended, how his case relates to Pacman Jones, if Roger Goodell is doing the right thing and Vick's future. Then Croyle.

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 07:30 AM
Hell, I wasn't even the one doing the plugging. :)

You owe us a captured feed. Do it for the planet!

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 07:30 AM
My guess is the call was a whole lot of nothing.

"So, you wrote an article blasting Vick and the commish"
"Yes.. did I mention WarPaint Illustrated and that I'd love to fluff Larry Johnson"
"Well... that's great... I guess, so what about Vick?"
"Vick? Bah - that was filler, I don't care about ATL"
"Ok, so that wraps it up"
:LOL:

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:30 AM
BTW...I need something to calm my nerves now...lol

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 07:32 AM
antifreeze?

crazycoffey
06-06-2007, 07:38 AM
that was funny, Simply Red!

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 07:38 AM
GoChiefs I am still not understanding your stance on VICKS suspension???

Pacman Jones was in a STRIP BAR with patrons in the public spotlight on him and EVERYONE there saw him and the distraction he caused and the eventual AFTERMATH of his actions.

Mike "Ron Cujo" Vick is being 'INVESTIGATED" for his involvement in Dog Fighting that he is DENYING being a part of. The prosecution has the burden of PROOF that he WAS part of this. They have to DIRECTLY link him to a PRIVATE and very tightknit group of people that do this on private property.

Comparing him to PACMAN JONES is assnine as far as putting the clamps on him and suspending him RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for the investigation to pan out. THEY HAVE NOT linked him enough to indict him on this so the league has NOTHING to go on since Vick is claiming innocent to all allegations.

Pushead2
06-06-2007, 07:40 AM
GoChiefs I am still not understanding your stance on VICKS suspension???

Pacman Jones was in a STRIP BAR with patrons in the public spotlight on him and EVERYONE there saw him and the distraction he caused and the eventual AFTERMATH of his actions.

Mike "Ron Cujo" Vick is being 'INVESTIGATED" for his involvement in Dog Fighting that he is DENYING being a part of. The prosecution has the burden of PROOF that he WAS part of this. They have to DIRECTLY link him to a PRIVATE and very tightknit group of people that do this on private property.

Comparing him to PACMAN JONES is assnine as far as putting the clamps on him and suspending him RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for the investigation to pan out. THEY HAVE NOT linked him enough to indict him on this so the league has NOTHING to go on since Vick is claiming innocent to all allegations.

He thinks Pacman is hotter and prob knows he has a bigger peeish.....Simple as that.

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 07:42 AM
GoChiefs I am still not understanding your stance on VICKS suspention???

Pacman Jones was in a STRIP BAR with patrons in the public spotlight on him and EVERYONE there saw him and the distraction he caused and the eventual AFTERMATH of his actions.

Mike "Ron Cujo" Vick is being 'INVESTIGATED" for his involvement in Dog Fighting that he is DENYING being a part of. The prosecution has the burden of PROOF that he WAS part of this. They have to DIRECTLY link him to a PRIVATE and very tightknit group of people that do this on private property.

Comparing him to PACMAN JONES is assnine as far as putting the clamps on him and suspending him RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for the investigation to pan out. THEY HAVE NOT linked him enough to indict him on this so the league has NOTHING to go on since Vick is claiming innocent to all allegations.

Additionally:

Michael Vick is/was the "Franchise-Face," Pacman is a CB. Vick has to maintain a clean bill. Doesn't make either acts right, just makes Vick more of an idiot.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 07:57 AM
I'm not suggesting they suspend Vick for a year. Six games oughta be enough to get him to sell all his dogfighting paraphernalia.

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 08:05 AM
I'm not suggesting they suspend Vick for a year. Six games oughta be enough to get him to sell all his dogfighting paraphernalia.
Guilty until proven innocent?

BCD
06-06-2007, 08:12 AM
Interview is over. It went pretty well. Warpaint was plugged.And not the Planet? Traitor...

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 08:14 AM
Guilty until proven innocent?
EXACTLY!

I'm not suggesting they suspend Vick for a year. Six games oughta be enough to get him to sell all his dogfighting paraphernalia.
That is the POINT to my whole question.......

Suspend him for WHAT?

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING has been proven yet.

Roger Goodell would look like a pretty big bafoon if, without proof, they suspends him for 1 day more or less for 8 games. IMHO

:shake:

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 08:16 AM
Again... whole lotta nothing, the average "caller" type of thing.

OnTheWarpath58
06-06-2007, 08:20 AM
EXACTLY!




That is the POINT to my whole question.......

Suspend him for WHAT?

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING has been proven yet.

Roger Goodell would look like a pretty big bafoon if they don't link Vick directly and he suspends him for 1 day more or less for 8 games without proof.

:shake:

I don't think anyone is advocating suspending him today.

I think most people just assume that Vick will be indicted sooner or later. It takes time to pull all of this together, conduct interviews with informants, etc.

Plus, Goodell has proven he doesn't need "proof" to suspend a player.

Pacman STILL hasn't been charged, to my knowledge.

These guys are being suspended for drawing negative attention to the league. Whether they are guilty in a court of law is another issue. Goodell has the right to suspend anyone he believes has participated in conduct detrimental to the league, and he's set the precedent that he's going to.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 08:22 AM
It took them some time to suspend Tank Johnson and he actually went to jail... so, there's no dire need to do something now based on the investigation with Vick. But, he is right near the front of the line for the next to be sitting down.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 08:23 AM
Pacman had more infractions with the law than he had games played in the NFL...

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 08:27 AM
I don't think anyone is advocating suspending him today.

I think most people just assume that Vick will be indicted sooner or later. It takes time to pull all of this together, conduct interviews with informants, etc.

Plus, Goodell has proven he doesn't need "proof" to suspend a player.

Pacman STILL hasn't been charged, to my knowledge.

These guys are being suspended for drawing negative attention to the league. Whether they are guilty in a court of law is another issue. Goodell has the right to suspend anyone he believes has participated in conduct detrimental to the league, and he's set the precedent that he's going to.
Goodell isn't above the law. One of these guys is going to sue his ass off.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 08:29 AM
EXACTLY!


That is the POINT to my whole question.......

Suspend him for WHAT?

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING has been proven yet.

Roger Goodell would look like a pretty big bafoon if, without proof, they suspends him for 1 day more or less for 8 games. IMHO

:shake:

NOTHING was PROVEN with Jones either. Goodell said he wasn't waiting for convictions.

Furthermore, the incident with the water bottle DID happen.

Goodell has already suspended other players without "proof". Time to pay the piper...

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 08:36 AM
NOTHING was PROVEN with Jones either. Goodell said he wasn't waiting for convictions.

Furthermore, the incident with the water bottle DID happen.

Goodell has already suspended other players without "proof". Time to pay the piper...
I totally agree. People get suspended from work all of the time. Owning the house was enough of a violation. Clearly he was an influencer (at a minimum)

pikesome
06-06-2007, 08:38 AM
EXACTLY!


That is the POINT to my whole question.......

Suspend him for WHAT?

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING has been proven yet.

Roger Goodell would look like a pretty big bafoon if, without proof, they suspends him for 1 day more or less for 8 games. IMHO

:shake:

It doesn't need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt like a criminal case. I was watching a documentary on the Lufthansa heist and the police knew two days after it happened who did it but they were never able to put a case together. Nixon was never convicted either. Proving it and knowing it are two different things in the Justice System. Which has nothing to do with Vick and the NFL. The NFL is trying to protect their image just like any high-profile employer might. They don't have to prove anything to the same level as the Justice System. Even the NFLPA seems to be behind Goodell. If you don't like the way the NFL is run, don't watch.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 08:41 AM
The commish doesn't need proof ... guys like Pacman, Chris Henry, Tank Johnson... these aren't your Tier 1 players when it comes to who NFL fans come to see on Sunday. The thing those 3 have in common... they are high profile and they have either had multiple issues that have attracted lots of bad press or jail time.

Vick is really the first "face of a team" and highly marketable player that the commish has had to deal with, so he's taking his time. There's no need to make a rash judgement... I have no doubts something will happen and Vick will miss time.

Is it a bit of a double standard, possibly... but, why would that shock anyone?

Phobia
06-06-2007, 08:41 AM
Conduct unbecoming doesn't require proof.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 08:41 AM
I totally agree. People get suspended from work all of the time. Owning the house was enough of a violation. Clearly he was an influencer (at a minimum)

MOhillbilly has mentioned it several times.

It's only a matter of time before the name of Vick's kennel shows up in the logs of one of these matches.

And then it's all over.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 08:43 AM
Some of the folks speaking up against Vick aren't really what you might call your most reliable or desirable people... so, as was just mentioned... until some hard evidence sticks to Vick or someone in rather good standing testifies, he's ok.

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 08:47 AM
The commish doesn't need proof ... guys like Pacman, Chris Henry, Tank Johnson... these aren't your Tier 1 players when it comes to who NFL fans come to see on Sunday. The thing those 3 have in common... they are high profile and they have either had multiple issues that have attracted lots of bad press or jail time.

Vick is really the first "face of a team" and highly marketable player that the commish has had to deal with, so he's taking his time. There's no need to make a rash judgement... I have no doubts something will happen and Vick will miss time.

Is it a bit of a double standard, possibly... but, why would that shock anyone?


The biggest reason to NOT be a dumbass.

Well said, MHM.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 08:47 AM
Some of the folks speaking up against Vick aren't really what you might call your most reliable or desirable people... so, as was just mentioned... until some hard evidence sticks to Vick or someone in rather good standing testifies, he's ok.

This is the problem in a lot of criminal cases, the only witnesses are all crooks. One agrees to testify and the defense attacks his or her creditability based on their being a crook. Plenty of people are convicted this way, I don't see why Vick should escape couch time because of it.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 08:51 AM
This is the problem in a lot of criminal cases, the only witnesses are all crooks. One agrees to testify and the defense attacks his or her creditability based on their being a crook. Plenty of people are convicted this way, I don't see why Vick should escape couch time because of it.

I agree... but again, you're comparing what is going on in the NFL with the new commish and an actual court of law.

Give it time and I think we'll hear that Vick misses games. If not, hell... GC has another filler article to spare us to death with down the road.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 08:53 AM
No they were not convicted and still got suspended but the PUBLIC perception is there. If Vick is being WRONGLY accused of something then no action can be taken leagally without the league being sued. A water bottle with a hidden compartment is bad but he was not arrested for it.

We can agree to disagree on this but I see the pacman thing and Ron Cujo thing as apples and oranges.

We didn't need proof for pacman jones he did it to himself by inciting a riot that people saw him do. Someone was SHOT and paralyzed because of an altercation that HE started. Again apples and oranges to dog fighting accusation.

A water bottle with a hidden compartment is ALL IT TAKES, according to Roger Goodell.

Unless you're superstar Michael Vick, and then you get special treatment.

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 08:54 AM
A water bottle with a hidden compartment is ALL IT TAKES, according to Roger Goodell.

Unless you're superstar Michael Vick, and then you get special treatment.
ROFL

pikesome
06-06-2007, 08:56 AM
I agree... but again, you're comparing what is going on in the NFL with the new commish and an actual court of law.

Give it time and I think we'll hear that Vick misses games. If not, hell... GC has another filler article to spare us to death with down the road.

I'm trying to say that if it's good enough for our criminal justice system with it's built in obstacles for the prosecutors it is more than good enough for the NFL.

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 08:57 AM
A water bottle with a hidden compartment is ALL IT TAKES, according to Roger Goodell.

Unless you're superstar Michael Vick, and then you get special treatment.

I guess that beats having the "Whizzinator" in your bag but don't see it as a huge deal in comparrison to pacman or chris henry.

Vick will lose some time because I think they WILL find some proof somewhere but my whole point was GoChiefs other article asking for QUICK and FAST punishment and suspension of Vick and my question was for WHAT?

I really don't think they can suspend him for more than a game for the water bottle thing and it would be int thier best interest to WAIT until they find out what comes out of the Dog Fighting investigation.

OnTheWarpath58
06-06-2007, 08:58 AM
A water bottle with a hidden compartment is ALL IT TAKES, according to Roger Goodell.

Unless you're superstar Michael Vick, and then you get special treatment.

As well as your name being on the deed of a house being used for dogfighting/illegal activities.

FACT: He owns the house/property where this was taking place.

FACT: There is more than enough evidence that dogfighting was taking place on the property.

At this point, the level of Vick's involvement is the only thing in question, and that is being investigated.

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 08:58 AM
Maybe one of our lawyers on here can help us out. What is the extent of Goodell's legal liability the first time he suspends someone who is later acquitted?

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:01 AM
I guess that beats having the "Whizzinator" in your bag but don't see it as a huge deal in comparrison to pacman or chris henry.

Vick will lose some time because I think they WILL find some proof somewhere but my whole point was GoChiefs other article asking for QUICK and FAST punishment and suspension of Vick and my question was for WHAT?

I really don't think they can suspend him for more than a game for the water bottle thing and it would be int thier best interest to WAIT until they find out what comes out of the Dog Fighting investigation.

You're talking about moral relativism. A system of consequence and justice isn't relative, it's absolute.

If Goodell REALLY wants to implement HIS system, he has to have the respect of everyone involved. And it's impossible for him to garner respect if he applies his justice with an uneven hand.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:02 AM
Maybe one of our lawyers on here can help us out. What is the extent of Goodell's legal liability the first time he suspends someone who is later acquitted?

Does the NFL have anti-trust status like baseball?

I'm guessing the NFL can do whatever it wants, as long as it has the blessing of the NFLPA.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 09:07 AM
You're talking about moral relativism. A system of consequence and justice isn't relative, it's absolute.

If Goodell REALLY wants to implement HIS system, he has to have the respect of everyone involved. And it's impossible for him to garner respect if he applies his justice with an uneven hand.

Right, but when was Tank Johnson sentenced to Jail?
How long was he in Jail?
Once released from Jail, how long until he was suspended?

If anything should have been a slam dunk, it was that guy... why wait until AFTER he's released from jail to announce the suspension?

If Goodell waited on Tank, then why the fury over waiting on Vick... who is under investigation? I don't think anything is uneven here.

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 09:08 AM
Does the NFL have anti-trust status like baseball?

I'm guessing the NFL can do whatever it wants, as long as it has the blessing of the NFLPA.
Especially if you look at it the way it should be viewed: A JOB.

Deberg_1990
06-06-2007, 09:08 AM
BTW...I need something to calm my nerves now...lol


How about a woman? That might help...

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 09:08 AM
You're talking about moral relativism. A system of consequence and justice isn't relative, it's absolute.

If Goodell REALLY wants to implement HIS system, he has to have the respect of everyone involved. And it's impossible for him to garner respect if he applies his justice with an uneven hand.
How are you going to hand down punishment for something he claims that he is innocent of at this time and there is NO PROOF that he is involved?

I am inclined to think the commish' hands are tied on this till he finds some proof of involvement. Suspend him now and he is Exonerated later what happens then? It may be bad PRESS towards the league but he is claiming innocent. How can you suspend him if he has no ties to the allogations beyond owning property that he did NOT live on.

Pacman was involved in his case because he is linked directly. Vick is NOT. Or at least NOT YET.

I am not a lawyer as you can tell so I don't know all the ins and outs of how shit really works. It just doesn't make sense to me.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 09:09 AM
Maybe one of our lawyers on here can help us out. What is the extent of Goodell's legal liability the first time he suspends someone who is later acquitted?

I'm not a lawyer but I'm guessing the NFL just needs enough evidence to defend something like a wrongful termination civil suit (even though it wouldn't really be "wrongful termination"). It would also depend on the language in the contract Vick signed and the NFL's deal with the NFLPA. If it had provisions about misconduct that would have bearing. The only legal recourse Vick would have is the mentioned civil suit and that could turn out bad for Vick if he really did have involvement, evidence from that investigation could be introduced in the civil suit.

Simply Red
06-06-2007, 09:09 AM
Especially if you look at it the way it should be viewed: A JOB.

with that being said, I'm certain there are factions and variables I don't know about not to mention protocol.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:10 AM
Right, but when was Tank Johnson sentenced to Jail?
How long was he in Jail?
Once released from Jail, how long until he was suspended?

If anything should have been a slam dunk, it was that guy... why wait until AFTER he's released from jail to announce the suspension?

If Goodell waited on Tank, then why the fury over waiting on Vick... who is under investigation? I don't think anything is uneven here.

Actually, the Tank situation is even MORE uneven.

Goodell has an issue, with or without Vick.

No clear precedent has been established. He's ALREADY applying suspensions unevenly, without even considering what's going on with Vick.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:12 AM
How are you going to hand down punishment for something he claims that he is innocent of at this time and there is NO PROOF that he is involved?

I am inclined to think the commish' hands are tied on this till he finds some proof of involvement. Suspend him now and he is Exonerated later what happens then? It may be bad PRESS towards the league but he is claiming innocent. How can you suspend him if he has no ties to the allogations beyond owning property that he did NOT live on.

Pacman was involved in his case because he is linked directly. Vick is NOT. Or at least NOT YET.

I am not a lawyer as you can tell so I don't know all the ins and outs of how shit really works. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It's simple and Phobia already mentioned it.

This isn't a "court of law".

It's an employment contract.

"Detrimental conduct" doesn't require PROOF. It only requires reasonable suspiscion.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 09:13 AM
Actually, the Tank situation is even MORE uneven.

Goodell has an issue, with or without Vick.

No clear precedent has been established. He's ALREADY applying suspensions unevenly, without even considering what's going on with Vick.

Ok - I can agree with that statement. There doesn't appear to be a consistent model being used at all. And, just for the record... Tank was sentenced to 120 days in mid March. He served only 60 days and was released in mid May, then suspended a few weeks later (early June).

So, what I think was the most obvious case for suspension took the longest and he didn't even get as much time off as Pacman... and Tank served 2 months in jail.

Very inconsistent across the board, which is why it shouldn't be shocking that he's taking time with Vick. Goodell took time with each of the previous items.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 09:14 AM
How are you going to hand down punishment for something he claims that he is innocent of at this time and there is NO PROOF that he is involved?

I am inclined to think the commish' hands are tied on this till he finds some proof of involvement. Suspend him now and he is Exonerated later what happens then? It may be bad PRESS towards the league but he is claiming innocent. How can you suspend him if he has no ties to the allogations beyond owning property that he did NOT live on.

Pacman was involved in his case because he is linked directly. Vick is NOT. Or at least NOT YET.

But there is proof. Like has been mentioned he owned the house. If they had found drug distribution gear or the books for a prostitution ring it would be the same. How could he not have known? That's even barring the reports that he did, in fact, participate in the dog fighting. Vick's never going to be "exonerated", he might escape prosecution but it'll never go to trail unless it's iron-clad.

OnTheWarpath58
06-06-2007, 09:14 AM
It's simple and Phobia already mentioned it.

This isn't a "court of law".

It's an employment contract.

"Detrimental conduct" doesn't require PROOF. It only requires reasonable suspiscion.

Exactly. For the eleventy billionth time. Maybe this time it sinks in.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 09:17 AM
Ok - I can agree with that statement. There doesn't appear to be a consistent model being used at all. And, just for the record... Tank was sentenced to 120 days in mid March. He served only 60 days and was released in mid May, then suspended a few weeks later (early June).

So, what I think was the most obvious case for suspension took the longest and he didn't even get as much time off as Pacman... and Tank served 2 months in jail.

Very inconsistent across the board, which is why it shouldn't be shocking that he's taking time with Vick. Goodell took time with each of the previous items.

Tank has been a bit more contrite, Pacman's trip to the strip joint right before the meet would make you think he has no intention to reform. Maybe the longer suspension was intended to slap some sense into him.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:18 AM
But there is proof. Like has been mentioned he owned the house. If they had found drug distribution gear or the books for a prostitution ring it would be the same. How could he not have known? That's even barring the reports that he did, in fact, participate in the dog fighting. Vick's never going to be "exonerated", he might escape prosecution but it'll never go to trail unless it's iron-clad.

Actually, if drugs and/or distribution paraphenelia were found on the property, most states would criminal prosecute the OWNER of the house along with the actual participants.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 09:18 AM
But there is proof. Like has been mentioned he owned the house. If they had found drug distribution gear or the books for a prostitution ring it would be the same. How could he not have known?

I think he's guilty, but your statement means that my parents should have known I hid pot in my closet in high school. I mean, it was their house and their room was just down the hall. How did they not know?

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:19 AM
I think he's guilty, but your statement means that my parents should have known I hid pot in my closet in high school. I mean, it was their house and their room was just down the hall. How did they not know?

In alot of states, the home owner would be held equally responsible.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 09:21 AM
I think he's guilty, but your statement means that my parents should have known I hid pot in my closet in high school. I mean, it was their house and they're room was just down the hall. How did they not know?

Pot in your sock drawer is a bit different than running a dog fighting operation. Buildings were built, equipment acquired, animals trained then the building all painted black. Even if someone did all this stuff without his knowledge the first time he saw it Vick should have gone "WTF? Why is all this stuff here?"

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 09:21 AM
Goodell isn't above the law. One of these guys is going to sue his ass off.

For what? The NFL is like a private club.

JBucc
06-06-2007, 09:22 AM
He should be suspended for 8 right now just for having that stuff on his property, and if convicted I'd say 2 seasons. It's his property, it's his responsibility. If they had fights there, or prepared dogs for fights there, he's an enabler. That's not even talking about this guy who says he's a "heavyweight" and is actually directly involved in dogfighting.

OnTheWarpath58
06-06-2007, 09:23 AM
One of my favorite quotes regarding this situation:

"I'm never there. I'm never at the house," Vick said before the NFL draft April 28. "I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven't been doing the right thing. The issue will get resolved. It's unfortunate I have to take the heat behind it. If I'm not there, I don't know what's going on."

He's never at the house, doesn't know what's going on, yet claims the family members he left the house with "just haven't been doing the right thing."

Which is it Mike?

You don't know what's going on at the house, but know enough to know they aren't "doing the right thing?"

Ultimately, the home owner is responsible for illegal actions taking place on the property.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 09:24 AM
Vick is lying. Several people in town say he's there all the time.

Vick basically set up his own dogfighting stadium.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 09:26 AM
He should be suspended for 8 right now just for having that stuff on his property, and if convicted I'd say 2 seasons. It's his property, it's his responsibility. If they had fights there, or prepared dogs for fights there, he's an enabler. That's not even talking about this guy who says he's a "heavyweight" and is actually directly involved in dogfighting.

If he's convicted it ought to be "goodbye, don't let the door hit ya in the ass". There is just too much circumstantial evidence that a full blown dogfighting operation was going on. Even if they don't convict him of large involvement any conviction will convince most that he was, indeed, guilty and that bad press is what the NFL cares about. It also might get Blank out of that stupid big contract with Vick.

Pushead2
06-06-2007, 09:28 AM
Vick basically set up his own dogfighting stadium.
sweeeettttttttt

crazycoffey
06-06-2007, 09:31 AM
Vick is lying. Several people in town say he's there all the time.

Vick basically set up his own dogfighting stadium.




He did? That's great, and you can prove this, right? Oh, I forgot, you were sick the day they taught law at law school.

OnTheWarpath58
06-06-2007, 09:32 AM
From KissingSuzyKolber:

ROFL ROFL





Letís see. Pacman Jones. Chris Henry. Tank Johnson. Odell Thurman. Michael VickÖ

Oh, man. **** me.

Weíre not gonna have any players left.

I really should have thought this through. If Iím consistent in suspending all these retards equally, weíre gonna be fresh out of players by October. Iím gonna have to suspend all of them. ****!

Jesus, one bachelor party could wipe out an entire team. Itís okay. Itís okay, Rog. The whole point of this thing was to send a message out to all the players. Itís a deterrent. Yeah, thatís it. If I suspend them for being idiots, then theyíll top being idiots, right?

Right?

Secretary: Mr. Commissioner, itís Ben Roethlisberger on Line 1. He said he set fire to a middle school by accident and that heís really sorry.

Oh, ****.

Secretary: Mr. Commissioner, itís Terrence Kiel on Line 2. He said he beat his wife to death with a tire iron and wanted to know what to do with the body.

Tell him to hold!

Secretary: I also got a message from Ray Lewis. All he said was, ďIt happened again. But Jesus still loves me.Ē

Oh God, this is not happening.

Okay, okay. Itís time to plan. Just make a plan, Rog. Iím sure we can get some highly qualified replacements for those guys. If you put XFL players in an NFL uniform, that makes them legitimate! It could work! It has to work.

Secretary: Sir, Shawne Merriman is on Line 3. He said heís been injecting cougar semen directly into his urethra and wanted to know if that was bad.

Tell him itís bad. Everything is bad.

I really, really should have given this more careful consideration. Maybe Iíll quit and become commissioner of the Junior League. Those bitches seem well behaved.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 09:35 AM
He did? That's great, and you can prove this, right? Oh, I forgot, you were sick the day they taught law at law school.

Read the thread, it doesn't need to be "proved". The NFL isn't convicting Vick of a crime, they don't have the same standards of proof as the criminal system.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 09:51 AM
Everybody needs to go and read this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=164113

Then we can resume the discussion.

Fish
06-06-2007, 10:09 AM
From KissingSuzyKolber:

ROFL ROFL




Secretary: Sir, Shawne Merriman is on Line 3. He said heís been injecting cougar semen directly into his urethra and wanted to know if that was bad.

Tell him itís bad. Everything is bad.

LMAO

I love KSK.....

pikesome
06-06-2007, 10:12 AM
Everybody needs to go and read this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=164113

Then we can resume the discussion.

It pretty much kills this discussion. The argument becomes whether or not the NFLPA gave up too much instead of if Goodell suspending Vick without a conviction is kosher.

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 10:13 AM
For what? The NFL is like a private club.
Monetary damages and defamation of character. Or has the NFL declared themselves immune to the laws of the United States.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 10:16 AM
Monetary damages and defamation of character. Or has the NFL declared themselves immune to the laws of the United States.

It would take Vick declaring himself immune for this to happen, see the above link. Also a defamation suit wouldn't be a good idea, most likely, because all that evidence collected for a criminal case could be used in the civil suit and the burden of proof is much lower there.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Monetary damages and defamation of character. Or has the NFL declared themselves immune to the laws of the United States.

Haha. Monetary damages. What a crock. He's defamed his own character by flipping off 60,000 fans with 15 TV cameras focused on him. The judge would laugh this out of the court.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:19 AM
The league needs to shit or get off the pot. Like I said on the radio, they're not only doing a disservice to themselves, they're doing a disservice to the Falcons, who need to know if they have to get Joey Harrington ready to be the starting quarterback.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 10:24 AM
The league needs to shit or get off the pot. Like I said on the radio, they're not only doing a disservice to themselves, they're doing a disservice to the Falcons, who need to know if they have to get Joey Harrington ready to be the starting quarterback.

My question is what happens if week 7 the Grand Jury indites? Does the Comish wait till after the season to start Vick's suspension (you know he's getting one if they indite)?

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:26 AM
My question is what happens if week 7 the Grand Jury indites? Does the Comish wait till after the season to start Vick's suspension (you know he's getting one if they indite)?

"Indicts."

And yeah, I think it would go down that way.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:27 AM
Like I said on the radio,

Oh lord... your 5 minutes of call-in radio fame.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 10:27 AM
"Indicts."

And yeah, I think it would go down that way.

I need to hit Dictionary.com before I hit submit. :)

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:28 AM
Oh lord... your 5 minutes of call-in radio fame.

I didn't call in.

By the way, I have prior radio experience. This wasn't my first time.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:29 AM
The league needs to shit or get off the pot. Like I said on the radio, they're not only doing a disservice to themselves, they're doing a disservice to the Falcons, who need to know if they have to get Joey Harrington ready to be the starting quarterback.

The job of the #2 QB is to be ready to play now anyway... it's not the league's job to ensure that for ATL.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:32 AM
I didn't call in.

By the way, I have prior radio experience. This wasn't my first time.

I know you didn't call in, but by your own account of the call ... it was nothing more than what your average listener provides when calling in to a show. And, I'm glad you're a veteran of the airwaves.

Congrats Radio!

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/radio_2.jpg

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:34 AM
it was nothing more than what your average listener provides when calling in to a show.
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The average listener is the one asking the questions, not answering them.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:34 AM
The average listener is the one asking the questions, not answering them.

Uh huh... recap the enlightening answers provided again...

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 10:34 AM
I know you didn't call in, but by your own account of the call ... it was nothing more than what your average listener provides when calling in to a show. And, I'm glad you're a veteran of the airwaves.

Congrats Radio!


http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/radio_2.jpgROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL:LOL::LOL:

Now that was funny right there I don't care who ya are!

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:36 AM
"We talked about if Vick should be suspended, how his case relates to Pacman Jones, if Roger Goodell is doing the right thing and Vick's future. Then Brodie Croyle - they wanted to know if he was going to wind up starting."

I mean, you covered all of that in what... 7 minutes? Please, enlighten us all... or is this just premium goodies for the WPI masses.

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 10:38 AM
"We talked about if Vick should be suspended, how his case relates to Pacman Jones, if Roger Goodell is doing the right thing and Vick's future. Then Brodie Croyle - they wanted to know if he was going to wind up starting."

I mean, you covered all of that in what... 7 minutes? Please, enlighten us all... or is this just premium goodies for the WPI masses.
You didn't pay your $99.95?

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:39 AM
Uh huh... recap the enlightening answers provided again...

Why? You'll just continue criticising me.

Redrum_69
06-06-2007, 10:39 AM
I didn't call in. By the way, I have prior radio experience. This wasn't my first time.



Talking to your mom over the cb radio does not count

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:42 AM
Talking to your mom over the cb radio does not count

http://www.khyi.com/

Redrum_69
06-06-2007, 10:42 AM
Why? You'll just continue criticising me.



The national enquirer called and wants to run an article on you. They werent sure what to write about, but I'm sure you can give them plenty of tips concerning copy/paste.

Reerun_KC
06-06-2007, 10:45 AM
I know you didn't call in, but by your own account of the call ... it was nothing more than what your average listener provides when calling in to a show. And, I'm glad you're a veteran of the airwaves.

Congrats Radio!

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/radio_2.jpg


Holy Crap! ROFL... Much REP! That was funny as hell!

Phobia
06-06-2007, 10:46 AM
http://www.khyi.com/

Nobody there has ever heard of you.

Reerun_KC
06-06-2007, 10:46 AM
The national enquirer called and wants to run an article on you. They werent sure what to write about, but I'm sure you can give them plenty of tips concerning copy/paste.


Damn guys, The kid is trying hard, cut him a little slack?

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:47 AM
Why? You'll just continue criticising me.

If you weren't so pompous with some of this, you wouldn't catch half the hell thrown your way... just provide the answers and I'll shut up. Otherwise, I'll just continue to point at all this "look at me" crap and mock you.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:49 AM
http://www.khyi.com/

Calling into a country radio station in Texas and jizzing on air about Carrie Underwood doesn't really qualify as much.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:50 AM
Nobody there has ever heard of you.

I used to do a morning sports rundown for KHYI. But you're right, they dumped the guy who knew me.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:50 AM
Calling into a country radio station in Texas and jizzing on air about Carrie Underwood doesn't really qualify as much.

This is a lovely testament to your ignorance.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:51 AM
I used to do a morning sports rundown for KHYI. But you're right, they dumped the guy who knew me.

career killer, eh

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:51 AM
If you weren't so pompous with some of this, you wouldn't catch half the hell thrown your way... just provide the answers and I'll shut up. Otherwise, I'll just continue to point at all this "look at me" crap and mock you.

You'll continue to mock me regardless. Your act is old and tired. Kiss my ass, dipshit. I'm done with you.

Redrum_69
06-06-2007, 10:53 AM
Damn guys, The kid is trying hard, cut him a little slack?


Why dont you read a few GoVirgins articles...hes improved alot since the first I'm sure. Athan has proofread everything, gave him some buzzwords to use, flood the article with punctuation and various other advice concerning one sentence paragraphs.

All of Darth Stickypants articles are refurbished from all sources. He has yet to write anything remotely interesting.

At best...Gochiefs is the Rhonda Moss when it comes to articles.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:53 AM
Damn guys, The kid is trying hard, cut him a little slack?

It's a load of bullshit. I can't help it if someone enjoys something I write and asks me to appear as a guest on their radio show. I wasn't even "trying hard," I just sent a few e-mails.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:54 AM
I used to do a morning sports rundown for KHYI. But you're right, they dumped the guy who knew me.

"...she lives in Niagra Falls, you wouldn't know her..."

http://img.timeinc.net/popsci/images/2006/12/19-Breakfast-Club.jpg

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:55 AM
Athan has proofread everything

Hahahahaha. You're an ignorant little ****er, aren't you? Athan doesn't proofread jack shit. I, on the other hand, proofread everything that goes up on Warpaint's website and in the magazine. That's why it now bears almost no resemblance to the old Warpaint.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:56 AM
It's a load of bullshit. I can't help it if someone enjoys something I write and asks me to appear as a guest on their radio show. I wasn't even "trying hard," I just sent a few e-mails.

Sooo... you emailed them asking for air time. They didn't just call you up as you suggested in the comment about Rainman.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 10:56 AM
Hahahahaha. You're an ignorant little ****er, aren't you? Athan doesn't proofread jack shit. I, on the other hand, proofread everything that goes up on Warpaint's website and in the magazine. That's why it now bears almost no resemblance to the old Warpaint.

That's too funny. What was the li'l fiasco earlier this year with the cover of the magazine? That was on your watch, yeah?

Phobia
06-06-2007, 10:58 AM
Hahahahaha. You're an ignorant little ****er, aren't you? Athan doesn't proofread jack shit. I, on the other hand, proofread everything that goes up on Warpaint's website and in the magazine. That's why it now bears almost no resemblance to the old Warpaint.

This is true, actually. I'll vouch for that.

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Haha. Monetary damages. What a crock. He's defamed his own character by flipping off 60,000 fans with 15 TV cameras focused on him. The judge would laugh this out of the court.
I'm talking about Goodell taking action against someone who is later acquitted. Isn't it you that wants him to go after Vick right now? And you have no idea what a judge will do. Have you ever been to court? Or just spouting more BS like you do with football?

Phobia
06-06-2007, 10:59 AM
That's too funny. What was the li'l fiasco earlier this year with the cover of the magazine? That was on your watch, yeah?

He doesn't proof the cover to my knowledge. Scout does all that crap.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Sooo... you emailed them asking for air time. They didn't just call you up as you suggested in the comment about Rainman.

I didn't e-mail anyone. They read my column and e-mailed the guy who runs our site (not Nick). He passed on the e-mail to me and I replied to their request for an appearance.

That's too funny. What was the li'l fiasco earlier this year with the cover of the magazine? That was on your watch, yeah?

There was no cover fiasco. Did we run some covers featuring players who are no longer on the team? Yeah. Nobody's perfect. And I don't decide the coverboy.

Now I'm done with you.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 11:02 AM
He doesn't proof the cover to my knowledge. Scout does all that crap.

Well, by his own words ... he says he does.

Phobia
06-06-2007, 11:09 AM
I'm sure some things have changed since I left 6 months ago. I actually received a check yesterday so I'm not gonna crap on Warpaint today.

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 11:09 AM
Well, by his own words ... he says he does.

Your Brutal man. Funny, but Brutal.

:thumb:

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 11:12 AM
I'm sure some things have changed since I left 6 months ago. I actually received a check yesterday so I'm not gonna crap on Warpaint today.
So "knot" plus "knot" minus the "knot" makes Nick owe you HOW MUCH MORE NOW?

A KNOT of cash I am guessing!

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 11:12 AM
I'm sure some things have changed since I left 6 months ago. I actually received a check yesterday so I'm not gonna crap on Warpaint today.
You take bribes?

Kerberos
06-06-2007, 11:13 AM
You take bribes?

His real name is Judas

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 11:16 AM
I'm sure some things have changed since I left 6 months ago. I actually received a check yesterday so I'm not gonna crap on Warpaint today.

Whore... :p

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 11:17 AM
I actually received a check yesterday so I'm not gonna crap on Warpaint today.

That makes one of us.

Redrum_69
06-06-2007, 11:20 AM
That makes one of us.



Its too bad you save your best work for private messages and reps.


The daily barrage of "**** you" is by far some of your best work.


Did you have to copy/paste that from your mom or was that from the memo Athan sent you?

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 11:24 AM
Redrum, you are the planet's unfunniest bastard. All you do is repeat the same lame, stupid jokes that were never even funny to begin with. You were mildly amusing when you left mom joke reps in the background, but you completely lost that edge when you started posting stupid stuff regularly. I suggest you register a new account because you're completely worthless around here at the moment. You're like a tick on my ass that can't be burned out no matter how many matches I use.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 11:26 AM
Redrum, you are the planet's unfunniest bastard. All you do is repeat the same lame, stupid jokes that were never even funny to begin with. You were mildly amusing when you left mom joke reps in the background, but you completely lost that edge when you started posting stupid stuff regularly. I suggest you register a new account because you're completely worthless around here at the moment.

I can't say that I disagree with this comment ... and the final remarks are coming from a guy with lots of experience in the area.

Redrum_69
06-06-2007, 11:58 AM
Redrum, you are the planet's unfunniest bastard. All you do is repeat the same lame, stupid jokes that were never even funny to begin with. You were mildly amusing when you left mom joke reps in the background, but you completely lost that edge when you started posting stupid stuff regularly. I suggest you register a new account because you're completely worthless around here at the moment. You're like a tick on my ass that can't be burned out no matter how many matches I use.


Do you speak for everyone? Should I just leave? Maybe make a "Ban Redrum" thread and see who all thinks I should go and if majority say yes then leave?

Ok, I'll start working on a thread then

Pushead2
06-06-2007, 11:59 AM
Redrum, you are the planet's unfunniest bastard. All you do is repeat the same lame, stupid jokes that were never even funny to begin with. You were mildly amusing when you left mom joke reps in the background, but you completely lost that edge when you started posting stupid stuff regularly. I suggest you register a new account because you're completely worthless around here at the moment. You're like a tick on my ass that can't be burned out no matter how many matches I use.

Ouch

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 12:04 PM
Do you speak for everyone? Should I just leave? Maybe make a "Ban Redrum" thread and see who all thinks I should go and if majority say yes then leave?

Ok, I'll start working on a thread then

Or, you could just let it die and move on.

Fruit Ninja
06-06-2007, 12:07 PM
Reading through this thread, it sounds like Mile High is a either Jealous, and a hater, or both. Wow. He seriously goes out of his way to knock down Go Chiefs.

Anyways, Gratz for getting on man. I give you shit, but i am not a jealous hater.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 12:14 PM
Reading through this thread, it sounds like Mile High is a either Jealous, and a hater, or both. Wow. He seriously goes out of his way to knock down Go Chiefs.

Anyways, Gratz for getting on man. I give you shit, but i am not a jealous hater.

You've been here for just over 2 years.

You have no idea what GoChiefs used to be like.

And this new "I'm better than you" persona of his is rather insulting, given that past.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 12:22 PM
Yeah, I'm far from jealous of the guy and deep down I don't hate him. He annoys me to the deep core of my soul and it shows. And, it's hard to "go out of my way" when the post whore does what he does.

The "new" GoChiefs would be a lot more tolerable if I hadn't been around the "old" GoChiefs. And, as just mentioned... his new persona of media greatness is a bit over the top.

GoChiefs was a man without a country for a long time, Phobia took him under his wing when they ran off to WPI and it's been FrankenGoChiefs ever since...

So, do I unfairly at times repeatedly kick the guy in the cyber groin? Yeah, but I'll get over it.

Fruit Ninja
06-06-2007, 12:22 PM
You've been here for just over 2 years.

You have no idea what GoChiefs used to be like.

And this new "I'm better than you" persona of his is rather insulting, given that past.
I was actually reading alot longer then 2 years. i just didnt register til 2005. I know how Go Chiefs is, and i have seen him be a douche. I really dont care for the guy 1 bit. The my mom is dead thing sealed the deal for me. I still feel that Bronco Boy is completely going out of his way on this.

Phobia
06-06-2007, 12:39 PM
You take bribes?

We have an understanding. He knows he's paying me for services rendered last year and not for me to endorse his product. At the same time, I want the checks to keep rolling in. If they stop, I'll continue to speak frankly about how I feel. If they come regularly, I'll bite my tongue. It's the least I can do. It's no secret that I'm not fond of the guy's business practices and the treatment he gave me. I don't have to talk about it all the time.

Valiant
06-06-2007, 12:40 PM
I'm talking about Goodell taking action against someone who is later acquitted. Isn't it you that wants him to go after Vick right now? And you have no idea what a judge will do. Have you ever been to court? Or just spouting more BS like you do with football?


God I hate when I agree with Skip...

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 12:42 PM
God I hate when I agree with Skip...

You should know better than to agree with Skip.

The CBA gives the NFL practical immunity from such lawsuits.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=164113

Valiant
06-06-2007, 12:45 PM
I was actually reading alot longer then 2 years. i just didnt register til 2005. I know how Go Chiefs is, and i have seen him be a douche. I really dont care for the guy 1 bit. The my mom is dead thing sealed the deal for me. I still feel that Bronco Boy is completely going out of his way on this.


Were you around while he talked about staring at guys junk while at the stalls??? What about the time he got banned numerous times but kept coming back circumventing the system, but yet calls for others to be banned for the same stuff...

I do not think you truly understand how much drama this kid(sad that he is an adult now) has unleashed on here...

Fruit Ninja
06-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Were you around while he talked about staring at guys junk while at the stalls??? What about the time he got banned numerous times but kept coming back circumventing the system, but yet calls for others to be banned for the same stuff...

I do not think you truly understand how much drama this kid(sad that he is an adult now) has unleashed on here...
I didnt pay attention to him til i visited more frequently, back then i was just here for reading up on the Chiefs not to listen to a drama whore, which we all know he is.


I probably dont truly understand. I can see him to this day act quite childish. I am talking about the age 6-8 range. lol

Pushead2
06-06-2007, 12:52 PM
This thread is about to explode!!!

Valiant
06-06-2007, 12:58 PM
You should know better than to agree with Skip.

The CBA gives the NFL practical immunity from such lawsuits.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=164113


After reading that, seems to me IF Vick is acquitted and actually had nothing to do with it(which I doubt) he would just get the players union to challenge.. All they had to say is Goodell overstepped his power and went on a witch hunt to convict Vick...


One thing I know about law/deals there is a way to get around all of them...

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 01:02 PM
After reading that, seems to me IF Vick is acquitted and actually had nothing to do with it(which I doubt) he would just get the players union to challenge.. All they had to say is Goodell overstepped his power and went on a witch hunt to convict Vick...


One thing I know about law/deals there is a way to get around all of them...

The NFLPA could appeal to the Commissioner, but it's highly unlikely he could sue the NFL, as Skip suggested.

chagrin
06-06-2007, 02:24 PM
Did anyone get to hear this?

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 02:30 PM
The NFLPA could appeal to the Commissioner, but it's highly unlikely he could sue the NFL, as Skip suggested.
I'd like to see what our resident lawyers think. If Goodell suspended Vick (or anybody) and cost him several game checks and Vick was then exonerated, Vick would seem to have a whopper of a tort suit. Against both the NFL and Goodell. They are not above the law. I'd like to see what the lawyers think.

Mile High Mania
06-06-2007, 02:34 PM
Did anyone get to hear this?

I had a funny reply, but kcxiv would call me a jealous hater... :)

Fruit Ninja
06-06-2007, 02:39 PM
I had a funny reply, but kcxiv would call me a jealous hater... :)
Naw, i just need to say it once. I dont like repeating the same shit over and over again. Some people do, not me though.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 03:11 PM
I'd like to see what our resident lawyers think. If Goodell suspended Vick (or anybody) and cost him several game checks and Vick was then exonerated, Vick would seem to have a whopper of a tort suit. Against both the NFL and Goodell. They are not above the law. I'd like to see what the lawyers think.

First, it wouldn't come to that. Goodell would just re-instate him and he'd get the money he was owed.

Second, there's a collective bargaining agreement in place. It would be EXTREMELY difficult for Vick to sue the NFL when his representatives agreed to it.

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 03:13 PM
First, it wouldn't come to that. Goodell would just re-instate him and he'd get the money he was owed.

Second, there's a collective bargaining agreement in place. It would be EXTREMELY difficult for Vick to sue the NFL when his representatives agreed to it.
Anybody can sue anybody for anything the way I understand it.

Chiefnj
06-06-2007, 03:15 PM
It would seem to me that the attack would have to be on the CBA provision itself as having violated some major federal law.

My guess is that some day the race card is dealt and the big name activists get in the act. Jesse Jackson will declare Goodell is only suspending black players like Jones and Vick while he lets white players like Allen go without additional penalty.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 03:16 PM
Anybody can sue anybody for anything the way I understand it.

Well sure, he can sue anybody he wants.

And the judge can throw it out, too.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 03:17 PM
It would seem to me that the attack would have to be on the CBA provision itself as having violated some major federal law.

My guess is that some day the race card is dealt and the big name activists get in the act. Jesse Jackson will declare Goodell is only suspending black players like Jones and Vick while he lets white players like Allen go without additional penalty.

Very, very astute observation.

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 03:19 PM
Well sure, he can sue anybody he wants.

And the judge can throw it out, too.
And Vick might want triple damages too. That happens in some cases. All I'm saying is Goodell is treading on thin ice when he walks around with his chest puffed out saying he doesn't need evidence to suspend a player. Maybe that is why he has backed off of Vick for the moment.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 03:32 PM
And Vick might want triple damages too. That happens in some cases. All I'm saying is Goodell is treading on thin ice when he walks around with his chest puffed out saying he doesn't need evidence to suspend a player. Maybe that is why he has backed off of Vick for the moment.

He's not walking on thin ice at all. He's operating with the power given to him by the CBA.

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 03:38 PM
What's amazing is the player's union signing off on that CBA and then whining about Pacman's suspension. I really dislike the player's union, especially since Gene Upshaw took over leadership. I think it has ganglike qualities.

Skip Towne
06-06-2007, 03:40 PM
He's not walking on thin ice at all. He's operating with the power given to him by the CBA.
They don't have the power to place him above the law. Both he and the NFL can be sued and probably will be some day.

htismaqe
06-06-2007, 03:44 PM
They don't have the power to place him above the law. Both he and the NFL can be sued and probably will be some day.

They can't successfully sue him individually if he's operating within the parameters of the collective bargaining agreement.

Like ChiefNJ said, what they will be forced to do is attack the CBA itself, which means going after the NFLPA as well.

chagrin
06-06-2007, 03:49 PM
I had a funny reply, but kcxiv would call me a jealous hater... :)

I wanted to hear it, was it a full on interview?

Douche Baggins
06-06-2007, 04:30 PM
I wanted to hear it, was it a full on interview?

It lasted about 15 minutes.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 04:48 PM
They don't have the power to place him above the law. Both he and the NFL can be sued and probably will be some day.

You're missing the point, the CBA puts Goodell well within the law. This idea that "innocent until proven guilty" applies outside criminal law is wrong. Civil suits in this country are 50/50 affairs, whoever proves their case better wins. Throw in the fact that Vick has already agreed to giving Goodell this power (the CBA is between the players, ultimately, and the NFL) and it would be damn hard to, in a court of law, win. Any judge is going to toss the case unless you can get damn creative on the attack. And it probably still won't be successful at trial.

Miles
06-07-2007, 05:01 AM
Anybody can sue anybody for anything the way I understand it.

In theory you can but you need to have at least a reasonable argument and legal theory to go along with it. The specifics vary by state, but in general, if you make a completely groundless accusation you risk having to pay attorney fees and costs for the other side.

Miles
06-07-2007, 05:07 AM
Many of you may scoff at the slightest reference to the site but profootballtalk.com has been doing a pretty solid job of covering this story.

Miles
06-07-2007, 05:09 AM
GoChiefs - do you have an audio archive link for this?