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BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 10:02 AM
In your opinion will the Dems blow a sure thing in the next presidential election AGAIN? If their person is Hillary or Obama I say definately and Ithink it will be. Repubs have to have a dark horse though to do it.

FD
06-06-2007, 10:24 AM
Too far away to say, it'll depend on whats going on in Iraq next summer.

trndobrd
06-06-2007, 10:55 AM
There is no such thing as a "sure thing".

Presidential politics is largely about personality and less about specific policies. Until the candidates are determined, it is hard to say that one party has the advantage in the personality race.

The worst thing for the Democrat's presidential hopes was their success in the 2006 mid-term. With two years in control of Congress, they will no longer be able to credibly take the position as an agent of change. Now they are, for better or worse, part of the status-quo.

No doubt the Dems will attempt to run against Bush in 2008. It will be difficult since none of the leading Republican candidates seems to be closely tied to the Bush policies (Cheney is not running, for example).

StcChief
06-06-2007, 11:00 AM
Will the Democrats blow a sure thing in the next presidential election AGAIN?

Even without Monica to help them. Bill will be lining up new interns to help him in his duties.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 11:03 AM
I would also be worried (if I was rooting for the Dems) about the chance of Hillary getting the nomination. She's very polarizing and there isn't a whole lot she could do to change people's existing opinions of her. Her influence in the DNC means she has a very good chance of pushing a more electable candidate out (Barack for example) at the convention.

ChiefaRoo
06-06-2007, 11:08 AM
Barack is too young and inexperienced to be President. Hillary is a tough, calculting, harsh, mean, viscious ballbusting closet socialist. She'll likely get the nomination as guys like Edwards and Obama are lightweights by comparision.

Chiefnj
06-06-2007, 11:09 AM
Yes. Democrats are afraid to be Democrats. They are afraid of being called soft so they don't read NIE reports before voting for war and go along with the popular vote. They then only come out of the woodwork against the war when it is nice and safe. Have some damn convictions.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 11:12 AM
Barack is too young and inexperienced to be President. Hillary is a tough, calculting, harsh, mean, viscious ballbusing closet socialist. She'll likely get the nomination as guys like Edwards and Obama are lightweights by comparision.

Like I said, if I was rooting for a Dem President I wouldn't want Hilary to get the nom. She might make a better President than Barack but I don't think she has a snowball's chance of winning unless the Reps split. Which would be unlikely as most on that side of the fence would see her defeat as worth voting for a candidate they might not be 100% on.

Amnorix
06-06-2007, 11:17 AM
It's more possible than I like to think about. :(

ChiefaRoo
06-06-2007, 11:18 AM
Like I said, if I was rooting for a Dem President I wouldn't want Hilary to get the nom. She might make a better President than Barack but I don't think she has a snowball's chance of winning unless the Reps split. Which would be unlikely as most on that side of the fence would see her defeat as worth voting for a candidate they might not be 100% on.

That's how I would do it. I hate her politically with a visceral passion.

StcChief
06-06-2007, 11:23 AM
Yes. Democrats are afraid to be Democrats. They are afraid of being called soft so they don't read NIE reports before voting for war and go along with the popular vote. They then only come out of the woodwork against the war when it is nice and safe. Have some damn convictions.
Two more words that can't be used in the same sentence.

Democrats and convictions

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 11:23 AM
Like I said, if I was rooting for a Dem President I wouldn't want Hilary to get the nom. She might make a better President than Barack but I don't think she has a snowball's chance of winning unless the Reps split. Which would be unlikely as most on that side of the fence would see her defeat as worth voting for a candidate they might not be 100% on.

Hillary is the one person who could unite everyone on the right and moderates as well. I would take almost anyone else over her.

Dems need a dark horse to save this election, period. I think even Gore would win hands down if he could just lose some friggen weight. He looks like that Say Puft marshmellow man right now. He is so bad right now he won't even put his own image on his book. He looks like one of those albino lizards here.

Pitt Gorilla
06-06-2007, 11:35 AM
How is this Presidential election a "sure thing?" I would think Guiliani or McCain would beat anyone on the Dem side. Richardson would do well, but he won't get out of the primary. Gore would be the other one who could win.

Pitt Gorilla
06-06-2007, 11:36 AM
Dems need a dark horse to save this election, period. .You just answered my question; even you don't believe this election is a "sure thing" for the Dems. In fact, it appears you see it as a "sure thing" for the Reps, with which I would agree.

ChiefaRoo
06-06-2007, 11:40 AM
Hillary is the one person who could unite everyone on the right and moderates as well. I would take almost anyone else over her.

Dems need a dark horse to save this election, period. I think even Gore would win hands down if he could just lose some friggen weight. He looks like that Say Puft marshmellow man right now. He is so bad right now he won't even put his own image on his book. He looks like one of those albino lizards here.

Hah, hah, hah, Jabba not like global jedi warming, hah, hah, hah

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 11:44 AM
You just answered my question; even you don't believe this election is a "sure thing" for the Dems. In fact, it appears you see it as a "sure thing" for the Reps, with which I would agree.

It was said with tongue-in-cheek. It should be a sure thing for the Dems after 8 years of Bush. It never ceases to amaze me how the Dems find a way to lose. Talk about lack of leadership. If I were a Dem I would be begging Gore to join Weight Watchers and make a run.

noa
06-06-2007, 11:44 AM
I'm going to say yes based on recent history.

However it goes down, I hope we end up with a President from one party and a Congressional majority of the other party.

StcChief
06-06-2007, 11:45 AM
Dems could FU a one car parade.

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 11:47 AM
I'm going to say yes based on recent history.

However it goes down, I hope we end up with a President from one party and a Congressional majority of the other party.


I agree.

pikesome
06-06-2007, 11:48 AM
You just answered my question; even you don't believe this election is a "sure thing" for the Dems. In fact, it appears you see it as a "sure thing" for the Reps, with which I would agree.

Actually it almost seems like this election is going to be a bloody mess (both in the British fashion and figuratively). No one seems to be real strong and there is an awful lot of sparing a year and a half ahead of the elections. Probably something will happen to break it open but "morass" seems to be a good term right now.

SBK
06-06-2007, 11:56 AM
If they keep talking about raising taxes expect to see another Mondell showing........

bkkcoh
06-06-2007, 12:26 PM
You can count on the dems losing as much as the Raiders losing a close game late in the 4th quarter.

ClevelandBronco
06-06-2007, 12:52 PM
..."morass" seems to be a good term right now.

Gore certainly has "more ass" these days.

jAZ
06-06-2007, 01:41 PM
There is no sure thing when the electorate is divided 50/50.

jAZ
06-06-2007, 01:47 PM
It was said with tongue-in-cheek. It should be a sure thing for the Dems after 8 years of Bush. It never ceases to amaze me how the Dems find a way to lose. Talk about lack of leadership. If I were a Dem I would be begging Gore to join Weight Watchers and make a run.
I've heard this stat for a long time...

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.6957/pub_detail.asp
"By 2 to 1, voters self-identify as conservative over liberal (with a plurality of moderates)."

That the Dems keep it at 50/50 is a monumental victory in many ways.

That stat is a testament to the impact of Rush Limbaugh, Ronald Reagan, union busting and more recently the religious right.

Mr. Kotter
06-06-2007, 02:09 PM
I've heard this stat for a long time...

"By 2 to 1, voters self-identify as conservative over liberal (with a plurality of moderates)."

That the Dems keep it at 50/50 is a monumental victory in many ways.

That stat is a testament to the impact of Rush Limbaugh, Ronald Reagan, union busting and more recently the religious right.
LMAO

Or, more likely....that the political "left" has gone from representing pragmatic progressivism of TR, FDR, Truman, JFK, and even LBJ....to representing fringe moonbat extremist positions that alienate the vast majority of middle class moderate Americans.....who never left the party, but whom...the party left behind.

:)

jAZ
06-06-2007, 02:25 PM
LMAO

Or, more likely....that the political "left" has gone from representing pragmatic progressivism of TR, FDR, Truman, JFK, and even LBJ....to representing fringe moonbat extremist positions that alienate the vast majority of middle class moderate Americans.....who never left the party, but whom...the party left behind.

:)
ROFL

Mr. Kotter
06-06-2007, 02:27 PM
ROFLScoreboard:

Last 10 Presidential Elections...

3 Democrats
7 Republicans

* Includes a "gimme" in 1976 after Watergate....otherwise it'd probably be 8-2.

"Warm up the bus, warm up the bus, warm up the bus...." :)

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 03:56 PM
Scoreboard:

Last 10 Presidential Elections...

3 Democrats
7 Republicans

* Includes a "gimme" in 1976 after Watergate....otherwise it'd probably be 8-2.

"Warm up the bus, warm up the bus, warm up the bus...." :)

Political realignment, genius:

1932-1964: FDR, FDR, FDR, FDR, Truman, Ike, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ.

7-2 Dems.

It's poli sci 101.

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 04:19 PM
Political realignment, genius:

1932-1964: FDR, FDR, FDR, FDR, Truman, Ike, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ.

7-2 Dems.

It's poli sci 101.

You're are a big Rough Riders fan aren't you?

ClevelandBronco
06-06-2007, 04:29 PM
You're are a big Rough Riders fan aren't you?

Wrong Roosevelt.

SBK
06-06-2007, 04:38 PM
Political realignment, genius:

1932-1964: FDR, FDR, FDR, FDR, Truman, Ike, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ.

7-2 Dems.

It's poli sci 101.

Too bad for you that's a long time ago and doesn't seem to have much relevence today. :)

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 04:39 PM
Wrong Roosevelt.

Those weren't the rough riders I was referring too. Hamas is more into the bareback mountain type. :)

BTW, why do you live in Cleveland. I get depressed just visiting.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 04:41 PM
Too bad for you that's a long time ago and doesn't seem to have much relevence today. :)

McKinley realignment at the beginning of the 20th Century was succeeded by the Roosevelt/New Deal realignment which was then usurped by the Southern Republican/Reagan realignment of the 1970's.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Again, this is basic political science.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 04:42 PM
Those weren't the rough riders I was referring too. Hamas is more into the bareback mountain type. :)

BTW, why do you live in C-leveland. I get depressed just visiting.

You hit your homophobic retort quota for the hour now; although it was a pretty pathetic attempt at saving face since you didn't even know which Roosevelt I was referring to.

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 04:43 PM
You hit your homophobic retort quota for the hour now; although it was a pretty pathetic attempt at saving face since you didn't even know which Roosevelt I was referring to.

No, he didn't understand the rough riders I was referring to Mr. BB Terrorist. ROFL BB Terrorist, that's too friggen much dude. I just looked at your profile. You're a teacher. Good god, one more reason to privatize our schools immediately.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 04:48 PM
No, he didn't understand the rough riders I was referring to Mr. BB Terrorist. ROFL BB Terrorist, that's too friggen much dude. I just looked at your profile. You're a teacher. Good god, one more reason to privatize our schools immediately.

I don't teach high school, dumbass.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 04:49 PM
No, he didn't understand the rough riders I was referring to Mr. BB Terrorist. ROFL BB Terrorist, that's too friggen much dude. I just looked at your profile. You're a teacher. Good god, one more reason to privatize our schools immediately.

No, your joke made no sense because it didn't relate to anything other than the name Roosevelt, which was the wrong one. He obviously knew because he said "wrong Roosevelt".

Jesus, you're an idiot.

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 04:52 PM
I don't teach high school, dumbass.

Bombsrus? vest making perhaps?

BIG_DADDY
06-06-2007, 04:55 PM
No, your joke made no sense because it didn't relate to anything other than the name Roosevelt, which was the wrong one. He obviously knew because he said "wrong Roosevelt".

Jesus, you're an idiot.

Whatever dude. Hey I got a great video for you Mr. BB Terrorist. It's got all your home boys getting taken out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-IRB-386w&search=iraq%20war

"Die MF Die"

I don't need your forgiveness
I don't need your hate
I don't need your acceptance
So what should I do
I don't need your resistance
I don't need your prayers
I don't need your religion
I don't need a thing from you

I don't do what I've been told
Your so lame why don't you

Just go
Die mother ****er die mother ****er die

It's really ****ing cool man you'll get into it.

Chief Henry
06-06-2007, 05:28 PM
I don't teach high school, dumbass.


OMG.....your a school teacher..... :shake:

Chief Henry
06-06-2007, 05:35 PM
Yes. Democrats are afraid to be Democrats. They are afraid of being called soft so they don't read NIE reports before voting for war and go along with the popular vote. They then only come out of the woodwork against the war when it is nice and safe. Have some damn convictions.



Hell, the dems are afraid to go on Fox News to debate. If they're afraid of Fox News, what else are they afraid of ??? Will they be afraid of that crazy bastard from Iran ? Why should the USA expect the Dems to stand strong in the face of Terrorism when they can't even face questions from Brit Hume ?

Bill Parcells
06-06-2007, 05:45 PM
OMG.....your a school teacher..... :shake:
Worse, he's a twenty something left wing college professor! LMAO

Chief Henry
06-06-2007, 05:55 PM
Worse, he's a twenty something left wing college professor! LMAO


Are you serious ? Is he that wack faux Injun college professor in
Colorado ?

Bill Parcells
06-06-2007, 05:58 PM
Are you serious ? Is he that wack faux Injun college professor in
Colorado ?
Yes, I'm serious. Hamas has done several thesis on rocket propulsion, nuclear power facilities and splitting the atom.

He's too young to be that guy from Colorado.

Chief Henry
06-06-2007, 06:02 PM
Yes, I'm serious. Hamas has done several thesis on rocket propulsion, nuclear power facilities and splitting the atom.

He's too young to be that guy from Colorado.



Thanks...

|Zach|
06-06-2007, 06:14 PM
Worse, he's a twenty something left wing college professor! LMAO
People that like to learn stuff...look and laugh! Bwahahahahahah.

Fancy book leanrin weirdos.

Mr. Laz
06-06-2007, 06:18 PM
prolly ... they are so dam unfocused :banghead:

Pitt Gorilla
06-06-2007, 06:30 PM
your a school teacherIt appears you could use the services of a teacher.

|Zach|
06-06-2007, 06:32 PM
It appears you could use the services of a teacher.
You know how to write words?

Fag.

Bill Parcells
06-06-2007, 06:40 PM
People that like to learn stuff...look and laugh! Bwahahahahahah.

Fancy book leanrin weirdos.
I guess being the baby faced moderator that you are, you can't sense sarcasm?

I was just busting Hamas's balls. ;)

Mr. Laz
06-06-2007, 06:44 PM
I guess being the baby faced moderator that you are, you can't sense sarcasm?

I was just busting Hamas's balls. ;)


you'll get kicked out of the club for messing with another man's ballz






:p ;)

Bill Parcells
06-06-2007, 06:45 PM
you'll get kicked out of the club for messing with another man's ballz






:p ;)
Damnit Laz! :Bartee:






:D

ChiefaRoo
06-06-2007, 06:53 PM
One things for sure. Hillary will NEVER blow anything if you know what I'm saying. :)

Mr. Kotter
06-06-2007, 09:46 PM
Political realignment, genius:

1932-1964: FDR, FDR, FDR, FDR, Truman, Ike, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ.

7-2 Dems.

It's poli sci 101.

My point precisely.... :clap:

One might want to consider the last 40 years to be a bit more relevant than the preceding 40 years, but maybe that's just me....heh. ;)

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-06-2007, 11:38 PM
I guess being the baby faced moderator that you are, you can't sense sarcasm?

I was just busting Hamas's balls. ;)

I do my best to keep my classroom non-partisan, FWIW. Generally, I just make fun of all spectrums. They don't pay me for my political ideology, but I'm also not naive enough to think that it doesn't shine through at times.

Mr. Kotter
06-06-2007, 11:42 PM
I do my best to keep my classroom non-partisan, FWIW. Generally, I just make fun of all spectrums. They don't pay me for my political ideology, but I'm also not naive enough to think that it doesn't shine through at times.
Exactly right. Whenever clowns throw up the old...."I feel sorry for the kids in your classroom" crap, to me it just shows how petty, small and pathetic....THEY are. For someone to not appreciate that professional people can make a distinction between posting on a damn political forum within a football discussion board....and teaching students in one's professional role, makes such a person look like an ass.