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Infidel Goat
06-07-2007, 09:30 AM
The MLB draft starts at 2 pm ET and will be shown both on ESPN2 (for the first time) and on mlb.com.

I wish, of course, that Tampa Bay would pick someone other than David Price so that the Royals could snag him, but I don't think is likely to happen.

It sounds like the New Jersey high schooler, RHP Rick Porcello, might be asking for too much money, and that Matt Wieters, Georgia Tech's switch hitting catcher is another serious consideration for the Royals with the second pick of the draft.

I can only imagine the howls if we go after another third basemen and end up selecting Josh Vitters.

Ultimately, I think we pull the trigger on the Porcello. Regardless, it'll be years before we know if we made the right choice.


Any other thoughts or predictions?

--Infidel Goat

Codered
06-07-2007, 09:33 AM
I have warmed up to the idea of Josh Vitters. He has the athletic ability to play in LF easily in the majors unlike Billy Butler. His bat is way above where most high schoolers are when they are drafted. Outside Weiters who is just asking for an unreal contract he is the best hitter in the draft.

I've also heard they are strongly considering the #2 HS pitcher, Jarrod Parker.

Demonpenz
06-07-2007, 09:34 AM
it wouldn't be surprising if we took a 3rd basemen. Gordon is 5 years away from Free agency and it would take about 5 years to get that kid to the bigs.

Codered
06-07-2007, 09:39 AM
In baseball there is no reason what so ever to draft by position. With the failure rate, free agency, amount of trades, and position movement you have to go best player available.

Billy Butler was drafted as a 3B out of HS. Can you imagine him still trying to play there? Vitters is expected to play in the OF in the majors.

Codered
06-07-2007, 10:00 AM
For anyone interested here is Baseball America's final mock draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/features/264204.html

ChiefsCountry
06-07-2007, 10:08 AM
Please Dayton Moore take Ross Detwiler.

Infidel Goat
06-07-2007, 10:14 AM
It sounds like Mike Moustakas is also a possibility . . .

cmh6476
06-07-2007, 10:53 AM
it's today?

Infidel Goat
06-07-2007, 11:12 AM
it's today?

Yes. Today!

There are a couple of rule changes as well--that theoretically should help teams handle the Borass's of the world.

1--Players must now sign by August 15th--or they have to wait until next year. The poor Diamondbacks just signed their first round pick from last year about a week ago.

2--If a first or second round pick does not sign with his team, then that team essentially gets the same pick again next year. For example, if the Royals drafted Porcello, but couldn't sign him--they would receive pick 2B in the first round of next year's draft (as well as their standard top 5 first round pick).

With that change, I would always take the best player available regardless of signability issues.

--Infidel Goat

Sam Hall
06-07-2007, 11:16 AM
I'll take Vitters in the first and Nick Tepesch from Blue Springs High School in the third.

Chief Chief
06-07-2007, 12:03 PM
Since Dayton's arrived, it seems his focus has been on building up the pitching staff. While we still have some pitching issues, it's clear that the Royals lack an offensive punch. So I hope we get Vitters but won't be surprised if the pick is spent on yet another pitcher.

Pitt Gorilla
06-07-2007, 12:09 PM
I like Price and Weiters. Either would be fine.

Codered
06-07-2007, 12:12 PM
I like Price and Weiters. Either would be fine.


Price will go to Tampa and Weiters has a 10 Mil rumored price tag.

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 12:14 PM
WietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWietersWieters

Ceej
06-07-2007, 12:18 PM
Obviously the MLB draft is a big one. But, have any of you guys read anything about any local kids being taken?

I know a Campus graduate, Brandon Johnson from BCCC was selected last year.

Any Shockers supposed to be taken?

Just curious about local kids.

ChiefsCountry
06-07-2007, 12:38 PM
Detwiler please. Lefty, college pitcher. Perfect for the Royals.

Marlboro_Chief
06-07-2007, 12:47 PM
None of the posters in here know jack shit aboout the MLB Draft and they are better off not commenting about it.

Sure-Oz
06-07-2007, 12:48 PM
None of the posters in here know jack shit aboout the MLB Draft and they are better off not commenting about it.
I don't...

So who should we draft?

Eric
06-07-2007, 12:49 PM
If they slow it down for TV like they did for the nfl draft then they should scrap it.

Eric
06-07-2007, 12:51 PM
mlb draft= fake

What kind of draft allows a player to be drafted and then skip off to another team in a year.

JOKE. Owners are idiots for allowing all these opt outs.

Eric
06-07-2007, 12:52 PM
Vitters?

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=281#S=281&F=2054&T=599222

CoMoChief
06-07-2007, 12:53 PM
I'll take Vitters in the first and Nick Tepesch from Blue Springs High School in the third.

I played ball with Kris Johnson from Blue Springs who got selected I think at pick #42 in the 2nd round by the BoSox in last season's draft.

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 12:55 PM
None of the posters in here know jack shit aboout the MLB Draft and they are better off not commenting about it.BEBEBEBEBE

Infidel Goat
06-07-2007, 12:56 PM
Vitters?

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=281#S=281&F=2054&T=599222


Sounding like Moustakas to me.

We'll know shortly...

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:03 PM
None of the posters in here know jack shit aboout the MLB Draft and they are better off not commenting about it.

How about that Danny Harden?

ChiefsCountry
06-07-2007, 01:05 PM
mlb draft= fake

What kind of draft allows a player to be drafted and then skip off to another team in a year.

JOKE. Owners are idiots for allowing all these opt outs.

Umm maybe its bc you get 3 different chances to be drafted. And you have the minor league system to develop more players than any other sport.

Demonpenz
06-07-2007, 01:09 PM
the draft in baseball is useless until 7 or eight years down the road hell most peoples career in the nfl after drafted are done by then

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:16 PM
Ha. Price was like, "Devil Rays. AW DAMN."

cookster50
06-07-2007, 01:20 PM
This is dumb, they are slowing it down for tv. TB needed exactly 0 seconds to make that pick, not 5 freaking minutes.

Sure-Oz
06-07-2007, 01:21 PM
Ha. Price was like, "Devil Rays. AW DAMN."
He would've been like "Royals. AW SHIT!"

cmh6476
06-07-2007, 01:21 PM
moustakas

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:21 PM
MUSTAFA

Mr. Laz
06-07-2007, 01:21 PM
who?

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:22 PM
AWAKEN MUSTAKRAKISH

Mustakrakish,
Mustakrakish.

I call upon the ancient lords of the underworld to bring forth this beast and,

Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Take the land that must be taken.
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Devour worlds, smite, forsaken.

Rise up from your thousandth year of sleep,
Bring forth the decreed eternally.

I command you to rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise and,
Awaken.

KurtCobain
06-07-2007, 01:22 PM
God damnit another name I can't pronounce.

CoMoChief
06-07-2007, 01:22 PM
This guy is good.

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:22 PM
IT'S WIETERS TIME WOMAN

Mr. Laz
06-07-2007, 01:24 PM
apparently the guy we took doesn't really have a position?

Billy butler part 2??

Infidel Goat
06-07-2007, 01:24 PM
If Moustakas can actually play SS on the major league level, it could be a fantastic pick. It sounds like that's doubtful.

Signability could be an issue (Borass client), but that doesn't bother me because we'd get the third pick in next year's draft if he doesn't agree to terms.

Sure-Oz
06-07-2007, 01:24 PM
Who the hell did we get a SS?

Sully
06-07-2007, 01:24 PM
Mustafada...
...write it down...


...championship!...

ChiTown
06-07-2007, 01:25 PM
apparently the guy we took doesn't really have a position?

Billy butler part 2??

Not true.

He's a HS SS with limited range. He'll be a solid 3rd baseman.

cookster50
06-07-2007, 01:27 PM
3B or COF

Mr. Laz
06-07-2007, 01:27 PM
If Moustakas can actually play SS on the major league level, it could be a fantastic pick. It sounds like that's doubtful.

Signability could be an issue (Borass client), but that doesn't bother me because we'd get the third pick in next year's draft if he doesn't agree to terms.
really?

so we could actually have the 1st and 3rd pick next year if we can't sign him?


what happens to mustache-ia if he doesn't sign?

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:27 PM
Vitti Vidi Vicci.

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:27 PM
A Vitters is fine too

Mr. Laz
06-07-2007, 01:28 PM
Not true.

He's a HS SS with limited range. He'll be a solid 3rd baseman.
i believe i was asking 2 questions ...... not declaring anything


teahan move for gordon
gordon move for mustache-ia?


where's does gordon end up then?

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:31 PM
Ha ha, Luis Montanez.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:33 PM
Not much upside with Moskos. Porcello's definitely fallen because of Boras.

cmh6476
06-07-2007, 01:33 PM
i believe i was asking 2 questions ...... not declaring anything


teahan move for gordon
gordon move for mustache-ia?


where's does gordon end up then?


1st.

Shealy to 2nd

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:33 PM
Baltimore should grab Wieters.

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:34 PM
Poor-ass Pirates.

Sure-Oz
06-07-2007, 01:35 PM
1st.

Shealy to 2nd
Shealy to SS ala Troy Glaus

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:35 PM
Steroids can really damage your body...


Orrrrr they can help you have a great career. Your choice.

ChiTown
06-07-2007, 01:35 PM
i believe i was asking 2 questions ...... not declaring anything

where's does gordon end up then?

1st base, probably, but this kid won't be in the majors for at least 3-4 yrs - probably more.

Eric
06-07-2007, 01:42 PM
catcher?

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:43 PM
Missouri State represent.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:45 PM
IS THERE ANY BETTER SITUATION THAN THE WASHINGTON NATIONALS?

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 01:47 PM
IS THERE ANY BETTER SITUATION THAN THE WASHINGTON NATIONALS?Only 34, including minor league teams.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:48 PM
Mega reach with LaPorta.

siberian khatru
06-07-2007, 01:51 PM
Well, at least you can't say the Glasses told Dayton to draft the most signable guy.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 01:53 PM
Rockies take the closer.

Infidel Goat
06-07-2007, 02:04 PM
really?

so we could actually have the 1st and 3rd pick next year if we can't sign him?


what happens to mustache-ia if he doesn't sign?


That's right.

IMO, that really chops out the legs of a lot of Borass' clients.

Sure, they can go to college (if they are in high school) or hold out for another year. If they do so, though, they are risking an injury and throwing away some of their earning years. And don't forget--players who start college have to stay through their junior year...

Frankly, if next year's draft looks better--I can see why a team like the Royals might not even try to sign the player they picked.

Knowing almost nothing about these players, I would have preferred Vitters because they were comparably ranked and Vitters is nearly a full year younger.

Oh well....

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:12 PM
Mariners take le frenchy.

Infidel Goat
06-07-2007, 02:12 PM
SI story on Moustakas:

SI Story (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dave_krider/04/03/Mike.Moustakas/index.html)

ChiTown
06-07-2007, 02:16 PM
SI story on Moustakas:

SI Story (http://http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dave_krider/04/03/Mike.Moustakas/index.html)

FYL

Mouse (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dave_krider/04/03/Mike.Moustakas/index.html)

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:27 PM
Braves responding to the flack they've gotten for not having a black player on their major league roster. :p

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:37 PM
Porcello's dropped like a rock.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 02:38 PM
Porcello's dropped like a rock.

Wait till teams like Boston come up he'll go....

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 02:39 PM
Wait till teams like Boston come up he'll go....

They don't even pick until almost 50.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 02:40 PM
Mariners take le frenchy.

His interview could not have been more uncomfortable.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:41 PM
Wait till teams like Boston come up he'll go....

I don't think Boston has a 1st rounder. I know the Mets don't.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:42 PM
Rangers should take Beavan. Local guy.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 02:43 PM
Rangers should take Beavan. Local guy.

Do you have ESP?

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:44 PM
Do you have ESP?

That one was pretty easy to call.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 02:44 PM
They don't even pick until almost 50.

Ok well some big market team that spends money........that's pretty much what I meant.

The Angels don't seem to mind spending either.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 02:45 PM
The Cards have a good relationship with Boras. Look for him to go here.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 02:47 PM
The Cards have a good relationship with Boras. Look for him to go here.

Guess not....

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:48 PM
I think the Phillies should take Porcello here.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 02:48 PM
Well I didn't see that one coming. :banghead:

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 02:50 PM
I should have known better. The Cards are all about "pitching to contact".

tk13
06-07-2007, 02:50 PM
That's just what the Cardinals need, another gritty middle infielder! :)

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:52 PM
Maybe Bourbon here.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 02:53 PM
That's just what the Cardinals need, another gritty middle infielder! :)

Exactly what popped in my head: They're gonna compare him to Eckstein.

tk13
06-07-2007, 02:54 PM
Exactly what popped in my head: They're gonna compare him to Eckstein.
On MLB's draft tracker:

"Kozma is a prototypical middle infielder, a Mark Loretta type, but with more athleticism."

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:55 PM
Will the Dodgers avoid Boras?

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 02:55 PM
Did somebody mention David Eckstein? (http://firejoemorgan.com/thedraft.pdf)

pocket shortstop
rosary beads
ignited
little player who does big things
neither was a flashy play
workmanlike things that help teams win
core player
"He's the toughest guy I've ever seen in a uniform" (proving to be the most irresistable quote of 2006 for sportswriters)
5 feet 7 inches
baby faced
looks like he wandered into the lineup from an American Legion tournament
scrappers
feisty
broke his bat
two-out roller
"our club responds to how hard he plays"
walk-on at the University of Florida
puttering along
Granderson slipped

tk13
06-07-2007, 02:56 PM
That's just what the Dodgers need, more pitching depth.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 02:57 PM
I enjoy how they talk about Wichita State pitchers past problems as the Dodgers are on the clock.....

55 million dollar blunder.........d'oh

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:58 PM
I enjoy how they talk about Wichita State pitchers past problems as the Dodgers are on the clock.....

55 million dollar blunder.........d'oh

I thought they were talking about Rice.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 02:58 PM
Maybe the Yankees take Porcello, but teams seem to be frightened.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 02:59 PM
I thought they were talking about Rice.

They were but then he went on to compare it to Wichita State and how a bunch of their guys had flamed out in the past and now Rice is thought of like them.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 03:01 PM
I don't think Porcello goes past the Angels if he gets that far........this is the team that said **** it and picked Jered Weaver when other teams knew he was good and passed on him.

I personally dig the Angels but yea if he goes by the Yankees that's what I expect.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 03:02 PM
I'd like to see Porcello fall to the Mets. It'd make up for MLB screwing them out of Pedro Beato last year.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 03:07 PM
I'd like to see Porcello fall to the Mets. It'd make up for MLB screwing them out of Pedro Beato last year.

No way that happens. Good luck though :)

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 03:10 PM
The Giants are going to continue to blow if they continue to ignore the fact that their system is barren of position prospects. They've already got enough good young arms.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 03:11 PM
The Giants are going to continue to blow if they continue to ignore the fact that their system is barren of position prospects. They've already got enough good young arms.

They apparently think you can never have to many good arms......

If they hadn't made that jackass trade where they traded Liriano and Nathan for AJ Pierzynski of all people...

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 03:12 PM
They apparently think you can never have to many good arms......

If they hadn't made that jackass trade where they traded Liriano and Nathan for AJ Pierzynski of all people...
and Boof Bonser. Bonser alone was too much for Pierzynski.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 03:15 PM
And the Padres know where their bread is butter and get another pitcher.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 03:15 PM
Rangers love Boras. I suppose Porcello's a possibility here.

HolmeZz
06-07-2007, 03:36 PM
Friggin' Tigers reloading.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 03:36 PM
Porcello comes to our division, with the Tigers.

tk13
06-07-2007, 03:37 PM
Well that's just what the Tigers need, another flamethrower.

siberian khatru
06-07-2007, 03:38 PM
Porcello comes to our division, with the Tigers.

Just like a guy we passed on last year -- Andrew Miller.

Mecca
06-07-2007, 03:39 PM
The Tigers are building a wicked rotation with these draft picks.......

Then you throw in Maybin and that's a hell of a bright future.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 05:09 PM
The Tigers are building a wicked rotation with these draft picks.......

Then you throw in Maybin and that's a hell of a bright future.

Dombrowski is a great GM.

KevB
06-07-2007, 05:50 PM
Dombrowski is a great GM.

Not arguing this point, but it's easier to be a GM when your owner tells you to take the very best player available, regardless the amount of money it will take to sign him. Miller, Porcello and to a certain extent Maybin were all thought to be difficult signs, and certainly well above "slot".

Speaking of slot, there's a lot of talk about the Commish's office passing down the slot money for each pick, and that MLB will "put pressure" on teams who go above slot. Is it me, or is this just a way for MLB and it's teams to pacify fans frustrated with owners who won't spend big dollars? What's the consequence if you do go above slot? A tongue lashing? "Oh no, someone gave me a stern talking to, and in return I was able to take the 2nd best arm in the draft at #27, woe is me".

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-07-2007, 06:15 PM
Not arguing this point, but it's easier to be a GM when your owner tells you to take the very best player available, regardless the amount of money it will take to sign him. Miller, Porcello and to a certain extent Maybin were all thought to be difficult signs, and certainly well above "slot".

Speaking of slot, there's a lot of talk about the Commish's office passing down the slot money for each pick, and that MLB will "put pressure" on teams who go above slot. Is it me, or is this just a way for MLB and it's teams to pacify fans frustrated with owners who won't spend big dollars? What's the consequence if you do go above slot? A tongue lashing? "Oh no, someone gave me a stern talking to, and in return I was able to take the 2nd best arm in the draft at #27, woe is me".

Yeah, but he's built contenders wherever he's been, and Moore's pick wasn't necessarily the best choice, even with signability taken into account.