PDA

View Full Version : Cutler = MVP?


kc rush
06-07-2007, 02:03 PM
At least this dill hole thinks so -

4. Denver Broncos Denver picked up yet another weapon for their struggling defensive line by signing defensive tackle and all-around clog in the middle Sam Adams earlier this week. Adams joins a revamped line that has already added three draft picks in Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, and Marcus Thomas. In comes Travis Henry as well. A 1,500-yard rusher with Tennessee last season, Henry comes to Denver with a Pro Bowl-caliber 2006 season under his belt. But is that really enough to propel Denver to the fourth spot? A team that didn't even make the playoffs last year? No, not quite. It's the development of Jay Cutler that does the job. I see the second-year man out of Vanderbilt having a breakout season in 2007; the kind that puts him in the league's "superstar" discussion. Cutler really came on toward the end of last season. And with Jake Plummer gone, it's fully his team. Look for a Pro Bowl season, and quite possibly, an MVP year.

LINK (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6897650?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5)

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 02:05 PM
ROFL

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:07 PM
There are so many guys that will have spectacular years this season... I can't imagine Cutler being an MVP anytime soon. I think he'll do really well and I do like what they've done this off-season on both sides of the ball.

They have a nice balance of young and old... Cutler should do really well, but MVP? Please.

OnTheWarpath58
06-07-2007, 02:09 PM
I'm not sure what's funnier:

a) Cutler as a league MVP

b) Denver rated 4th in Power Rankings

c) Power Rankings in JUNE

d) all of the above

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:10 PM
I'll take "c".

FAX
06-07-2007, 02:11 PM
Just realized that, when you draw a blank, you don't need a pencil.

Who is Cutler's backup? I have a feeling the goats will need him/her this season.

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
06-07-2007, 02:14 PM
Just realized that, when you draw a blank, you don't need a pencil.

Who is Cutler's backup? I have a feeling the goats will need him/her this season.

FAX

Good question, Mr. FAX.

Is BVP still there?

Codered
06-07-2007, 02:16 PM
Patrick Ramsey... Former Redskins #1 pick.

HemiEd
06-07-2007, 02:17 PM
I think Peter Schrager posts on the Orange Mane. Last year they had a thread, with multple posters putting Cutler into the HOF already. Some even stated they wouldn't trade Cutler for any two other NFL players. ROFL

Ultra Peanut
06-07-2007, 02:17 PM
I'M COMIN'

chagrin
06-07-2007, 02:20 PM
1500 yards with Tennessee?

2006 Tennessee Titans 14 13 270 (1211) yards

I know it was a type-o but the dude must have just gotten thourgh blowing Jay and didn't quite git the goo out of his eye.

crazycoffey
06-07-2007, 02:22 PM
MVP of his offseason bowling league.....

FAX
06-07-2007, 02:23 PM
1500 yards with Tennessee?

2006 Tennessee Titans 14 13 270 (1211) yards

I know it was a type-o but the dude must have just gotten thourgh blowing Jay and didn't quite git the goo out of his eye.

Hmmm. This post just pushed my brain into the red on the confusion scale.

Please advise, Mr. chagrin. What does Cutler have to do with Tennessee other than having played at Vandy?

FAX

chagrin
06-07-2007, 02:25 PM
Hmmm. This post just pushed my brain into the red on the confusion scale.

Please advise, Mr. chagrin. What does Cutler have to do with Tennessee other than having played at Vandy?

FAX

About Travis Henry he said, "In comes Travis Henry as well. A 1,500-yard rusher with Tennessee last season..."


So I connected the Jay Cutler slobbering to his confusion - try to keep up Mr FAX, geesh dude!

HemiEd
06-07-2007, 02:26 PM
MVP of his offseason bowling league.....

Pinkfloyd will kick his ass!

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 02:27 PM
Hmmm. This post just pushed my brain into the red on the confusion scale.

Please advise, Mr. chagrin. What does Cutler have to do with Tennessee other than having played at Vandy?

FAX

In comes Travis Henry as well. A 1,500-yard rusher with Tennessee last season, Henry comes to Denver with a Pro Bowl-caliber 2006 season under his belt.

Travis Henry had 1211 yards and 7 TDs with Tennessee last year. He also missed 2 full games due to injury.

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 02:32 PM
About Travis Henry he said, "In comes Travis Henry as well. A 1,500-yard rusher with Tennessee last season..."


So I connected the Jay Cutler slobbering to his confusion - try to keep up Mr FAX, geesh dude!

You cut off the best part of his quote - the part where he said Henry was bring a pro-bowl caliber season to Denver.

Henry finished 5th in the AFC in yards, almost 600 yards behind #2 LJ. He finished 9th in the AFC in TD's. Ironically, Mike Bell finished 8th.

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:33 PM
I know it's the off-season ... but, let's not get too carried away with what this guy has to say.

I definitely think this team has made some serious upgrades and will be better. Denver should have been in the playoffs last year... but nothing you can do about that now.

I do believe that they have a great shot at winning the division this year, but at the least ... I do see them advancing to the playoffs. After that, who knows.

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 02:34 PM
I found something else interesting about "Pro Bowl RB" Travis Henry...

He's started all 16 games in a season only one time in his 6 year career. He's missed time in 18 games over that 6-year span.

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:36 PM
Henry had a fine season in 2006... without Travis, Vince isn't the ROY and they don't win 8 games after starting 0-5.

Vince and Titans' fans are going to miss both Henry and Drew Bennett... unless LenDale gets in shape or Chris Henry (rookie) steps up and rocks. They also have a gaggle of young guys behind Givens that need to step up. The potential is there in TN this year... but soooooo many IF's.

FAX
06-07-2007, 02:38 PM
Sincere and authentic, personal gratitude extended to Mr. chagrin and Mr. htismaqe for the clarification. Am I to assume, then, that Planeteers are supposed to actually read these posts including the thread starter and everything?

Does anybody know if there is actually a heaven for animals like cats and dogs and, maybe, opossums? If so, is spitting and snarling and biting acceptable in opossum heaven? I've checked with http://www.opossum.org and they have no information on the subject whatsoever.

FAX

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:40 PM
Henry missed 3 as a rookie (2001). Then only 1 game in 2003.
Henry didn't saw action in only 10 in 2004, but I can't recall if he was injured or if that's just when they said "screw it, play McGahee".

2005, he missed half the season to injury IIRC.

But, in 6 seasons... he's had 3 where he has topped 1200 yds. Not bad when you see the teams he was on. I'm not saying he's the next LT, but ... in Denver with their history of turning the Garys and Droughns of the world into stars... I like his chances.



+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2001 buf | 13 | 213 729 3.4 4 | 22 179 8.1 0 |
| 2002 buf | 16 | 325 1438 4.4 13 | 43 309 7.2 1 |
| 2003 buf | 15 | 331 1356 4.1 10 | 28 158 5.6 1 |
| 2004 buf | 10 | 94 326 3.5 0 | 10 45 4.5 0 |
| 2005 ten | 9 | 88 335 3.8 0 | 13 117 9.0 0 |
| 2006 ten | 14 | 270 1211 4.5 7 | 18 78 4.3 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 77 | 1321 5395 4.1 34 | 134 886 6.6 2 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:40 PM
Here is his injury history...

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=7051

2001: Selected in the second round (58th overall) by Buffalo in the 2001 NFL Draft, Henry played in 13 games
2002: Henry started all 16 games
2003: Henry started all 15 games he played in, missing one with torn rib cartilage
2004: Henry played in 10 games (5 starts) with Buffalo before missing the last five games with a fractured right leg.
2005: Played in 10 games, was inactive for 2 and suspended for 4
2006: Played 14 games, sat two with turf toe issue

So, 4 of those 18 were due to suspension... enjoy.

LOCOChief
06-07-2007, 02:41 PM
I know it's the off-season ... but, let's not get too carried away with what this guy has to say.

I definitely think this team has made some serious upgrades and will be better. Denver should have been in the playoffs last year... but nothing you can do about that now.

I do believe that they have a great shot at winning the division this year, but at the least ... I do see them advancing to the playoffs. After that, who knows.

Playoffs? Last year? Denver? ROFL Yeah that's funny. I don't see that happening for some time,, what I mean is:
Cutler doesn't make MVP for some if ever
Cutler doesn't make the pro bowl for some time, if ever
Denvers D will degress even further this year.
Denver doesn't make the 2008 post season, but some in Denver will think that they should have. Maybe the only thing better than a Chiefs win is a donk loss.

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 02:43 PM
Henry missed 3 as a rookie (2001). Then only 1 game in 2003.
Henry didn't saw action in only 10 in 2004, but I can't recall if he was injured or if that's just when they said "screw it, play McGahee".

2005, he missed half the season to injury IIRC.

But, in 6 seasons... he's had 3 where he has topped 1200 yds. Not bad when you see the teams he was on. I'm not saying he's the next LT, but ... in Denver with their history of turning the Garys and Droughns of the world into stars... I like his chances.



+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2001 buf | 13 | 213 729 3.4 4 | 22 179 8.1 0 |
| 2002 buf | 16 | 325 1438 4.4 13 | 43 309 7.2 1 |
| 2003 buf | 15 | 331 1356 4.1 10 | 28 158 5.6 1 |
| 2004 buf | 10 | 94 326 3.5 0 | 10 45 4.5 0 |
| 2005 ten | 9 | 88 335 3.8 0 | 13 117 9.0 0 |
| 2006 ten | 14 | 270 1211 4.5 7 | 18 78 4.3 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 77 | 1321 5395 4.1 34 | 134 886 6.6 2 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

He's a decent RB that should do well in Denver's system.

And he also has a history of small, nagging injuries.

He's not a world-beater by any stretch of the imagination.

bdeg
06-07-2007, 02:45 PM
I thought this, taken from the article, was pretty funny as well:

"first-round draft pick Craig "Buster" Davis will join the re-signed Malcolm Floyd to form one of the more promising 1-2 wideout combos in the league."

Especially compared to this:

"On offense, wide receiver Dwayne Bowe adds depth at one of KC's sorest spots"


Ya, Craig Davis, the commonly regarded 2nd round talent is going to be a star and Bowe is just a depth player... OK.

And how many yards did Floyd have last year to warrant this claim of a promising 1-2 combo, you ask?

210.

Bob Dole
06-07-2007, 02:48 PM
He came on like the second coming of Joe Montana the last 2 games of 2006.

33 of 55 for 409 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTS, 2 fumbles and 4 rushes for -2 yards, and a 1-1 record.

Wow. We're witnessing history, folks. It's not every day you see a QB average almost 205 yards passing a week.

kc rush
06-07-2007, 02:50 PM
I know it's the off-season ... but, let's not get too carried away with what this guy has to say.

I definitely think this team has made some serious upgrades and will be better. Denver should have been in the playoffs last year... but nothing you can do about that now.

I do believe that they have a great shot at winning the division this year, but at the least ... I do see them advancing to the playoffs. After that, who knows.

Yes it is the offseason, but his quotes were comical. I'm sure that Cutler will improve in his second season, but MVP?

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:50 PM
Playoffs? Last year? Denver? ROFL Yeah that's funny. I don't see that happening for some timeHello - commatard on the loose. what I mean is:
Cutler doesn't make MVP for some if ever
Cutler doesn't make the pro bowl for some time, if ever
Denvers D will degress even further this year.
Denver doesn't make the 2008 post season, but some in Denver will think that they should have. Maybe the only thing better than a Chiefs win is a donk loss.

You sound very intelligent...

Codered
06-07-2007, 02:52 PM
This would be funny if Croyle and Huard wasn't set to fight for the starting spot for the Chiefs. There is always offseason hype around Denver. There was also a ton of hype around Cutler before he was even drafted.

What do you really expect?

HemiEd
06-07-2007, 02:52 PM
He came on like the second coming of Joe Montana the last 2 games of 2006.

33 of 55 for 409 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTS, 2 fumbles and 4 rushes for -2 yards, and a 1-1 record.

Wow. We're witnessing history, folks. It's not every day you see a QB average almost 205 yards passing a week.

Yep, and he did all that at Invesco. Besides that, he almost beat the juggernaut 49ers, with the season on the line.

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 02:54 PM
He came on like the second coming of Joe Montana the last 2 games of 2006.

33 of 55 for 409 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTS, 2 fumbles and 4 rushes for -2 yards, and a 1-1 record.

Wow. We're witnessing history, folks. It's not every day you see a QB average almost 205 yards passing a week.

I know some of my predominantly orange and blue brethren are ready to put him in elite status, but not me... not for a while. Cutler was inserted into an impossible situation. Replace Plummer when the team is 7-4 (IIRC), coming off a loss at KC ... making your first start the last stretch of the season when you're defense is sliding and you're still alive for the playoffs.

Good lord. The guy played well, he did have typical rookie mistakes, but the offense did improve and they were one game away sadly ... the loss at home to SF from advancing.

Cutler has experience now... and a better cast on offense, so the learning curve will still be there, but he will be ready for the challenge thanks to what he went through to close out 2006.

Baby Lee
06-07-2007, 02:55 PM
Either way, it's up Herm Edwards. And whoever the choice, neither is a sure bet.
koala-tee.

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 03:01 PM
Yep, and he did all that at Invesco. Besides that, he almost beat the juggernaut 49ers, with the season on the line.

Again, I understand and expect nothing short of flaming the author of this li'l article and anything related to the Broncos. However, it wasn't just Cutler that lost at home to the 49ers. IIRC, the defense let Gore run wild... I didn't see Cutler out there trying to stop Gore. Who knows, maybe he should have done something on that side.
:p

Through the final 5 games... SEA / @ SD / @ AZ / Cin / SF ... he had the following stat lines. Cutler was pretty steady and didn't make any major mistakes, typical rookie crap. I like his upside.

Denver was 2-3 under Cutler to end the season. They were blown out @ SD thanks to LT going berzerko. They lost by 3 to SEA... by 3 to SF.

Overall, not too bad for the rookie.

+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| 13 sea | 10 21 143 2 2 | 4 10 0 |
| 14 sdg | 17 30 188 2 0 | 1 0 0 |
| 15 ari | 21 31 261 2 1 | 3 10 0 |
| 16 cin | 12 23 179 2 1 | 2 -1 0 |
| 17 sfo | 21 32 230 1 1 | 2 -1 0 |
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| TOTAL | 81 137 1001 9 5 | 12 18 0 |
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 03:05 PM
And, speaking of rookie QBs... Leinart is so much more loved and expected to do greater things than Cutler. However, in 12 games (7 more) and with what many would call a better offense than Denver in 2006... Leinart's numbers in 7 more games weren't much better at all than Cutler.

+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| 4 atl | 6 9 54 0 1 | 1 -7 0 |
| 5 kan | 22 35 253 2 1 | 1 4 0 |
| 6 chi | 24 42 232 2 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 7 oak | 13 32 203 0 2 | 3 5 0 |
| 8 gnb | 14 35 157 1 1 | 1 2 0 |
| 10 dal | 20 38 216 0 2 | 4 18 1 |
| 11 det | 19 29 233 1 0 | 6 7 1 |
| 12 min | 31 51 405 1 2 | 1 0 0 |
| 13 stl | 15 24 186 1 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 14 sea | 21 34 232 2 1 | 2 -3 0 |
| 15 den | 20 35 214 0 2 | 3 23 0 |
| 16 sfo | 9 13 162 1 0 | 0 0 0 |
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| TOTAL | 214 377 2547 11 12 | 22 49 2 |
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+

Baby Lee
06-07-2007, 03:06 PM
Denvers D will degress even further this year.
You mean they will be even more ungood?

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 03:10 PM
I don't think LOCOChief has watched much football...

chagrin
06-07-2007, 03:12 PM
Sincere and authentic, personal gratitude extended to Mr. chagrin and Mr. htismaqe for the clarification. Am I to assume, then, that Planeteers are supposed to actually read these posts including the thread starter and everything?
FAX

Absolutely not, 90% of the shit i post is without reading more than 3 senteces of thread topics, usually - LOL! Doesn't it show?

As for your second topic, it's debatable, Dispensationalists believe not, I do - and I assume your opossums would be included :)

StcChief
06-07-2007, 03:12 PM
Is the off-season over yet. When are the 2 a days. Jeez-Louise.

Slow day in the NFL...nothing to do, let make up some sh1t.

htismaqe
06-07-2007, 03:15 PM
This would be funny if Croyle and Huard wasn't set to fight for the starting spot for the Chiefs. There is always offseason hype around Denver. There was also a ton of hype around Cutler before he was even drafted.

What do you really expect?

There's no fight for the KC QB spot.

HemiEd
06-07-2007, 03:19 PM
Again, I understand and expect nothing short of flaming the author of this li'l article and anything related to the Broncos.

You got me. :D

HemiEd
06-07-2007, 03:20 PM
You mean they will be even more ungood?
ROFL Priceless!

Direckshun
06-07-2007, 03:24 PM
Who is Cutler's backup?
COVETED BACKUP PATRICK RAMSEY

Rain Man
06-07-2007, 06:24 PM
I really despise the pickup of Travis Henry by Denver. If anyone is likely to have an MVP year, it's him. However, in my humble opinion, it's more likely that he'll finish no higher than 54th after the 53-man Chiefs squad.

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 06:29 PM
I really despise the pickup of Travis Henry by Denver. If anyone is likely to have an MVP year, it's him. However, in my humble opinion, it's more likely that he'll finish no higher than 54th after the 53-man Chiefs squad.

Interesting... weird, yet interesting.

Rain Man
06-07-2007, 06:33 PM
Interesting... weird, yet interesting.

Okay, maybe he can squeak past the last four or five on the roster. I was probably too homeristic there.

Mile High Mania
06-07-2007, 07:02 PM
You know... WPI gave Denver an A for their offseason moves. How can you argue?