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Count Zarth
06-19-2007, 08:12 AM
http://chiefs.scout.com/2/652764.html

Now that Trent Green has found a new home in Miami, the Chiefs are attempting to do something the franchise has yet to achieve - develop a franchise quarterback.

Oh, they have tried, but from Pete Beathard, Steve Fuller and Todd Blackledge in the pre-Carl Peterson era to Mike Elkins, Matt Blundin and Pat Barnes, Kansas City's high-round investments in quarterbacks have been wasted picks. The most successful quarterbacks in team history have been retreads: Len Dawson, Joe Montana and Trent Green.

Given this history, how can Herm Edwards toss the keys to second-year quarterback Brodie Croyle?

He has a safety net. Eleven-year veteran Damon Huard can pick up the pieces in the event Croyle crashes and burns. Even so, the question remains: just what has Croyle done to make Edwards believe he has a budding franchise quarterback?

If I asked Edwards, I’m sure I would get a homily on character, hard work and young talent. Rah rah, sis-boom-bah! Edwards has admitted, however, that no one will really know if Croyle can play until he steps on the field.

For you stat-heads out there, David Lewin of footballoutsiders.com claims he can predict the NFL success of high-round quarterbacks by focusing on two key stats: number of college starts and completion percentage. His projection system evaluated first and second-round quarterbacks taken in the 10 years before the 2006 draft. Lewin predicted success for Matt Leinart, Vince Young and Jay Cutler. Croyle, with 29 college starts and a 56 percent completion rate, was projected as a bust.

But Lewin freely admits his system does not account for injury. In Croyle's case, he would have started over 35 games had he not torn his ACL in 2004. To get a read on Croyle, we need to look at WHY completion percentage and starts are so predictive of NFL success.

The first seems pretty simple. Accuracy has long been undervalued by scouts who drool over cannon-armed throwers such as Ryan Leaf and Kyle Boller. Some coaches think they can significantly improve completion percentage by improving a prospect's mechanics, but by the time a player is in the NFL, he's already thrown thousands of passes since childhood. If a guy struggles with accuracy after all that time, he's unlikely to improve by leaps and bounds against the best players in the world.

Croyle’s college completion percentage was brought down by his freshman year (48 percent). He improved each of the following two seasons (53 percent his sophomore year and an outstanding 66 percent before he tore his ACL his junior year). He completed 59 percent of his passes behind a porous offensive line as a senior. I believe this upward trend shows Croyle has the accuracy to be an NFL quarterback.

Collegiate starts are important because quarterbacks must make decisions in fractions of a second. Experience is critical in such a situation, especially for a high-round quarterback whose large contract is likely to force him onto the field early in his career. Yet we have cases like Kurt Warner and Brad Johnson, former collegiate backups who became successful NFL starters. If starts are so important, how could these college bench-warmers make the grade?

In the case of Warner and Johnson, the answer was the opportunity to hone their skills in lower-level leagues (Arena and NFL Europe for Warner, Europe for Johnson). Late bloomers like Tony Romo and Trent Green spent long apprenticeships before seeing the field. Croyle, however, has had no “extra” game experience or a long apprenticeship. These facts do not bode well for his future.

Given the track record for recent high-round quarterbacks with less than 30 collegiate starts (Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Alex Smith), it is unfortunate that the European season begins before the NFL draft. Otherwise, teams could give these high-dollar investments the experience they need to thrive in the NFL.

Of course, high dollar contracts and fan expectations for early-round picks make such a patient approach unlikely. But for Croyle, these pressures do not exist. He doesn’t need to start this season. I believe Croyle would have been better served playing in Europe this summer instead of competing for the starting job in Kansas City.

As Chiefs fans, all we can do is hope Herm and Brodie prove me wrong.

Simply Red
06-19-2007, 08:15 AM
QB Rankings (Stats combined from '05 and '06)
Rank Player Team Wins Playoff wins Yds/Att. Pct. Yards TD/INT Rush Yds. Intang. Age#
1. P. Manning Ind. 26 4 8.06 .660 8,144 +40 81 9 31
2. T. Brady NE 22 3 7.30 .624 7,639 +24 191 10 30
3. D. Brees NO 19 1 7.58 .644 7,994 +24 81 9 28
4. C. Palmer Cin. 19 0 7.65 .650 7,871 +35 78 8 27
5. M. Bulger St. L 10 0 7.54 .642 6,598 +21 73 6 30
6. M. Hasselbeck Sea. 20 3 7.20 .615 5,901 +18 234 8 31
7. V. Young* Tenn 8 0 6.16 .515 2,199 -1 552 7 24
8. P. Rivers* SD 14 0 7.27 .614 3,503 +12 48 7 25
9. J. Kitna * Det. 3 0 6.89 .622 4,307 -3 170 7 34
10. J. Cutler* Den. 2 0 7.31 .591 1,001 +4 18 5 24
11. T. Romo* Dall. 6 0 8.61 .653 2,903 +6 100 5 27
12. D. McNabb Phil. 9 0 7.66 .581 5,154 +19 267 7 30
13. S. McNair Bal. 17 0 6.58 .622 6,211 +9 258 5 34
14. B. Favre GB 12 0 6.37 .586 7,766 -9 91 8 37
15. C. Pennington Jets 11 0 6.83 .637 3,882 0 136 6 31
16. J. Delhomme Car. 19 2 7.19 .606 6,226 +14 43 8 32
17. B. Roethlisberger Pit. 16 4 8.00 .608 5,898 +3 167 5 25
18. M. Leinart* Ariz. 5 0 6.76 .568 2,547 -1 49 6 24
19. M. Schaub* Hou. 0 0 7.73 .560 703 +3 97 6 26
20. J.P. Losman* Buf. 8 0 6.68 .580 4,391 +5 294 6 26
21. M. Vick Atl. 15 0 6.30 .539 4,886 +9 1636 5 27
22. J. Garcia* TB 5 1 6.22 .604 2,246 +5 138 6 37
23. E. Manning Giants 19 0 6.49 .551 7,006 +13 101 4 26
24. T. Green Miami 14 0 7.60 .621 5,356 +5 141 8 37
25. A. Smith SF 9 0 6.20 .562 3,765 -10 250 6 23
26. J. Campbell* Wash 2 0 6.27 .531 1,297 +4 107 5 25
27. R. Grossman* Chi. 14 2 6.65 .543 3,452 +2 2 5 27
28. B. Leftwich Jax 11 0 6.77 .584 3,282 +12 108 5 27
29. J. McCown* Oak. 3 0 6.80 .604 1,836 -2 139 6 28
30. T. Jackson* Min. 0 0 5.86 .580 475 -2 77 4 24
31. C. Frye Cle. 6 0 6.20 .628 3,456 -8 275 5 26
32. B. Croyle* KC 0 0 3.29 .429 23 -2 -3 6 24

Reerun_KC
06-19-2007, 08:38 AM
Lets hope Brodie has IT, whatever IT is....

We know for Damn sure Huard never had IT....

nychief
06-19-2007, 08:55 AM
wow. another speculative bullshit article. gee, I don't know maybe he has IT - maybe he doesn't have IT?

Brock
06-19-2007, 09:00 AM
Herpes?

OnTheWarpath58
06-19-2007, 09:01 AM
Herpes?

You're thinking of Michael Vick......

Direckshun
06-19-2007, 09:02 AM
It's a tough case to make either way.

You know where Brett Favre's first season would have landed him on Simply Red's list? Exactly where Croyle landed. It's hysterical how bad Favre was with his original team (I think it was the Bucs or the Falcons) before he was given a season or two to iron things out and develop into a Hall of Famer.

So that brings us to Brodie Croyle. The guy doesn't break under pressure (though his body does, which is the primary problem), he's got the talent, and has proven at a big college school that he can carry a team.

What's he missing? Experience, sure, but more importantly he's missing that "I'm the Guy" aura. It may stem from the Trent Green episode, the fact that the real Guy stands 7 yards behind him in #27, or his own public personality, which at this point seems overly relaxed with zero intensity.

It's entirely possible this guy breaks out. I've seen it happen and I think he's got the tools. I think it's unreasonable to judge Croyle until we get to 8 games. At that point, he will have suffered through three of the best defenses the NFL has to offer, with a half-season of rookie mistakes behind him.

StcChief
06-19-2007, 09:19 AM
It's a tough case to make either way.

You know where Brett Favre's first season would have landed him on Simply Red's list? Exactly where Croyle landed. It's hysterical how bad Favre was with his original team (I think it was the Bucs or the Falcons) before he was given a season or two to iron things out and develop into a Hall of Famer.

So that brings us to Brodie Croyle. The guy doesn't break under pressure (though his body does, which is the primary problem), he's got the talent, and has proven at a big college school that he can carry a team.

What's he missing? Experience, sure, but more importantly he's missing that "I'm the Guy" aura. It may stem from the Trent Green episode, the fact that the real Guy stands 7 yards behind him in #27, or his own public personality, which at this point seems overly relaxed with zero intensity.

It's entirely possible this guy breaks out. I've seen it happen and I think he's got the tools. I think it's unreasonable to judge Croyle until we get to 8 games. At that point, he will have suffered through three of the best defenses the NFL has to offer, with a half-season of rookie mistakes behind him.

Likely some rookie mistakes. Bears,Vikings,Chargers will be a 'Welcome the NFL rookie' by their Ds.

Sanka
06-19-2007, 09:29 AM
Croyle will be the at the top of the class of the AFC West young QB's in less than 3 seasons.

FAX
06-19-2007, 09:35 AM
I would like to nominate Mr. Direckshun's post for "Best Post By A Dad Gum Poster On This Subject In A While".

FAX

King_Chief_Fan
06-19-2007, 09:39 AM
It would take an exceptional QB to show he has it the first year.
He isn't in his second year in my opinion. Mop up duty in Pittsburg showed right away that he was clueless lost and destined to be a back up at best.
He is yet to prove anything close to being an exceptional.
We saw Cutler in his first attempts to lead his team. He did about what we thought a rookie QB would do. I don't expect any better from Croyle.

Time will tell.

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-19-2007, 09:53 AM
This question is unanswerable at this point and utterly hopeless.

It would be like the very first human civilization of any type pondering about the existence of black holes in between trying to create a fire drill.

Wile_E_Coyote
06-19-2007, 09:58 AM
If Croyle fails, Huard will just be temporary. Then the "retread" will find his way back into KC's backfield. I just hope it isn't Pennington

TinyEvel
06-19-2007, 10:08 AM
Fair article. Though it could use ten, maybe eleven paragraphs up top of lengthy, run-on sentences about the socio-political historical implications of acceptance of a neophyte into a group of individuals whose goals are common. You know... to set up the idea of a rookie QB.

FAX
06-19-2007, 10:15 AM
This discussion has the potential to develop into something very interesting.

In the misty recesses of my fogged up memory, I seem to recall that some really good quarterbacks (Elway, Montana, Aikman, etc.) had very rough games in their early careers. Very rough. This leads me to believe that there's more to developing a quarterback than just "throwing him into the fire". Perhaps a lot more.

I'm wondering what you guys think are the methods and means involved in the development of a young quarterback.

FAX

Chris Meck
06-19-2007, 10:26 AM
Elway lined up to take the snap from a guard as a rookie.

It takes a while.

I don't think we'll know about Brodie in 8 games. We might be starting to get some ideas, but we won't know for sure. If we've bailed on him already, then WE get what WE deserve.

We've never developed a young QB in KC. We've not watched the process, week in and week out.

He's gonna throw picks that leave you scratching your head. He's gonna get excited and overthrow a wide open receiver way downfield. He's going to miss a swing pass to a back here and there.

What you hope is that he also occasionally makes a pass that makes you go 'wow'.

and that over the season, you get more of those than the other.

Chris

Anyong Bluth
06-19-2007, 10:57 AM
Herpes?


Lima time~~!!


http://blogging.la/archives/lima.jpg

crazycoffey
06-19-2007, 11:02 AM
This discussion has the potential to develop into something very interesting.

In the misty recesses of my fogged up memory, I seem to recall that some really good quarterbacks (Elway, Montana, Aikman, etc.) had very rough games in their early careers. Very rough. This leads me to believe that there's more to developing a quarterback than just "throwing him into the fire". Perhaps a lot more.

I'm wondering what you guys think are the methods and means involved in the development of a young quarterback.

FAX



Exactly. America's game yesterday on NFL network was the 81 Niners. Montana's coming out, so to speak. They weren't expected to do much and he wasn't rated so well before the season.

StcChief
06-19-2007, 11:14 AM
Herm will let him work just like Chad Pennington.

As long as he's healthy, confident and moving forward.

The real question will Carl have the nuts to allow this or will the fans get down on Brodie (ala Tr-INT), and Carl have him pulled.

Logical
06-19-2007, 11:25 AM
Who wrote this article? If it was GoChiefs I want to commend him it is one of his best articles. He really is improving.

Anyong Bluth
06-19-2007, 11:46 AM
Peyton- look at his picks, even up to his 5th year. It takes time, plain and simple. The ? is can you learn from you mistakes, or do you become Jake Plummer?

Year Team Cmp Att Pct Yds Yds/Att TD Int Sck Rtg
1998 IND 326 575 56.7 3739 6.5 26 28 22 71.2
1999 IND 331 533 62.1 4135 7.8 26 15 14 90.7
2000 IND 357 571 62.5 4413 7.7 33 15 20 94.7
2001 IND 343 547 62.7 4131 7.6 26 23 29 84.1
2002 IND 392 591 66.3 4200 7.1 27 19 23 88.8
2003 IND 379 566 67 4267 7.5 29 10 18 99
2004 IND 336 497 67.6 4557 9.2 49 10 13 121.1
2005 IND 305 453 67.3 3747 8.3 28 10 17 104.1
2006 IND 362 557 65 4397 7.9 31 9 14 101
Totals: 3131 4890 64 37586 7.7 275 139 170 94.4

HemiEd
06-19-2007, 11:47 AM
Fair article. Though it could use ten, maybe eleven paragraphs up top of lengthy, run-on sentences about the socio-political historical implications of acceptance of a neophyte into a group of individuals whose goals are common. You know... to set up the idea of a rookie QB.

I think you have developed a crush on her. :)

HemiEd
06-19-2007, 11:49 AM
Who wrote this article? If it was GoChiefs I want to commend him it is one of his best articles. He really is improving.

I agree, it has been a steady progression of improvement.

chiefsfan1963
06-19-2007, 11:57 AM
it's too bad b/c if he has it or could have it but we won't be able to bring out his potential b/c the lack of talent coaching wise on the offensive side of the ball right now. Farve had Holmgren and his staff to truly bring out the best from him. Croyle has HErm and Solari. :(

Mile High Mania
06-19-2007, 12:12 PM
Who wrote this article? If it was GoChiefs I want to commend him it is one of his best articles. He really is improving.

Well, unless he's using the name "john viril" ... don't get too impressed.

scott free
06-19-2007, 01:36 PM
We know 2 things about Brodie...

1) He was raised in a high character home, he's not likely to go in the tank when he struggles.

2) He has the arm to make every NFL throw.

Beyond that its a wild guess, but those 2 things are critical. I hope Solari is studying every single tape of Roethlisbergers rookie year, completely tailor the O to what he does best.

Take his 5 best throws, come up with a twist or two for each one & dont deviate from it at all. If its marginal, throw it out until he's proficient with it.

I cant WAIT to see the game where we've pounded the rock 5 or 6 times in a row with success, then go play-action & let him drop back & launch one 50 yards...preferably against denbeer.

htismaqe
06-19-2007, 01:40 PM
According to his teammates, including Trent Green, he has "IT". I'm not worried.

NewChief
06-19-2007, 01:41 PM
I just hope that Chief fans have the patience to actually give him a good and fair evaluation of his "Itness." More importantly than the fans, though, I hope the front office and coaching staff have the patience and will.

Phobia
06-19-2007, 01:43 PM
Well, unless he's using the name "john viril" ... don't get too impressed.

That's JohnnyV from here. He's a smart guy - writes really well.

Phobia
06-19-2007, 01:44 PM
We know 2 things about Brodie...

1) He was raised in a high character home, he's not likely to go in the tank when he struggles.

2) He has the arm to make every NFL throw.

Beyond that its a wild guess, but those 2 things are critical. I hope Solari is studying every single tape of Roethlisbergers rookie year, completely tailor the O to what he does best.

Take his 5 best throws, come up with a twist or two for each one & dont deviate from it at all. If its marginal, throw it out until he's proficient with it.

I cant WAIT to see the game where we've pounded the rock 5 or 6 times in a row with success, then go play-action & let him drop back & launch one 50 yards...preferably against denbeer.

This is probably your best post - that I've seen. Nice job.

scott free
06-19-2007, 01:57 PM
This is probably your best post - that I've seen. Nice job.

Thank yee kind sir.

Count Zarth
06-19-2007, 01:58 PM
That's JohnnyV from here. He's a smart guy - writes really well.

Sounds like he was a good hire.

Reerun_KC
06-19-2007, 01:58 PM
This is probably your best post - that I've seen. Nice job.


it was a solid post by Scott...

I for one am stoked about seeing the development of a QB in a Chiefs uniform....

Logical
06-19-2007, 02:30 PM
Sounds like he was a good hire.

Clayton,

Why not put the authors name with the thread post?

Phobia
06-19-2007, 02:57 PM
Sounds like he was a good hire.

Yeah, the people who evaluated him and made a decision were smart.

KC Kings
06-19-2007, 03:02 PM
wow. another speculative bullshit article. gee, I don't know maybe he has IT - maybe he doesn't have IT?

God forbid somebody posts a football article on a football buliten board. I am sure you are more entertained by the poop and masterbation threads, but some people here actually like to read football articles in the offseason.

htismaqe
06-19-2007, 03:23 PM
1) He was raised in a high character home, he's not likely to go in the tank when he struggles.

It's not just his upbringing.

He played at Alabama when the team wasn't very Bama-like. He's had the struggles, he's played through the rough times. He's played behind a revolving door offensive line and he's gotten beaten up physically.

If that didn't rattle him then, there's not much that will now.

scott free
06-19-2007, 03:30 PM
It's not just his upbringing.

He played at Alabama when the team wasn't very Bama-like. He's had the struggles, he's played through the rough times. He's played behind a revolving door offensive line and he's gotten beaten up physically.

If that didn't rattle him then, there's not much that will now.

Absolutely.

Homerism aside, i just have a great feeling about this guy...we're well past due for a homegrown stud QB & i think we've finally hit the mark with King Kong Brodie.

HemiEd
06-19-2007, 03:44 PM
It's not just his upbringing.

He played at Alabama when the team wasn't very Bama-like. He's had the struggles, he's played through the rough times. He's played behind a revolving door offensive line and he's gotten beaten up physically.

If that didn't rattle him then, there's not much that will now.

I am sold, bring on the season.

Ugly Duck
06-19-2007, 08:16 PM
Well, he doesn't have the arm, the talent, the mobility, or the potential of Jamarcus Russell, but at least he managed to get the same score as JamRuss on the combine IQ test. There's at least one category where he equals JamRuss.....

HemiEd
06-19-2007, 08:24 PM
Well, he doesn't have the arm, the talent, the mobility, or the potential of Jamarcus Russell, but at least he managed to get the same score as JamRuss on the combine IQ test. There's at least one category where he equals JamRuss.....

And then there is the fact his team didn't have to be a pathetic embarrassment, to get a chance to draft him.

Eight in a row and counting....

scott free
06-19-2007, 08:24 PM
Well, he doesn't have the arm, the talent, the mobility, or the potential of Jamarcus Russell, but at least he managed to get the same score as JamRuss on the combine IQ test. There's at least one category where he equals JamRuss.....

Cute nicknames like "JamRuss" arent gonna help a lick when Gallery & Sims whiff on Tamba or Jared.

the Talking Can
06-19-2007, 08:26 PM
I just hope that Chief fans have the patience to actually give him a good and fair evaluation of his "Itness." More importantly than the fans, though, I hope the front office and coaching staff have the patience and will.

big ditto


I'm afraid people aren't really prepared to deal with a terrible rookie year if it happens.

FAX
06-19-2007, 08:27 PM
ROFL

JamRuss.

That's pretty amusing right there, Mr. UgDu.

FAX

the Talking Can
06-19-2007, 08:28 PM
Elway lined up to take the snap from a guard as a rookie.

It takes a while.

I don't think we'll know about Brodie in 8 games. We might be starting to get some ideas, but we won't know for sure. If we've bailed on him already, then WE get what WE deserve.

We've never developed a young QB in KC. We've not watched the process, week in and week out.

He's gonna throw picks that leave you scratching your head. He's gonna get excited and overthrow a wide open receiver way downfield. He's going to miss a swing pass to a back here and there.

What you hope is that he also occasionally makes a pass that makes you go 'wow'.

and that over the season, you get more of those than the other.

Chris

yes

headsnap
06-19-2007, 08:40 PM
hopefully he won't have too many INTs before he learns and erases the 'N'...

KcMizzou
06-19-2007, 08:45 PM
big ditto


I'm afraid people aren't really prepared to deal with a terrible rookie year if it happens.Most aren't. Every INT will bring the Planet closer to meltdown mode, and we'll be ready to hang him by week 4.

I'm ready to take some lumps for a season. Let's see what we've got.

Ugly Duck
06-19-2007, 09:30 PM
I'm ready to take some lumps for a season. Let's see what we've got.At least he has the same IQ as Jamarcus.... he can't be that bad.....

Count Zarth
06-19-2007, 09:31 PM
JaMarcus loves weed.

kcfan82
06-19-2007, 09:34 PM
From the short preseason stint I saw last year I'd say no. Hopefully this buys carl enough time to sign Favre or Brunnell as a FA.

Ugly Duck
06-19-2007, 09:38 PM
JaMarcus loves weed.

And still scored the same as Brobie Coil on the IQ test!

Brock
06-19-2007, 09:38 PM
From the short preseason stint I saw last year I'd say no. Hopefully this buys carl enough time to sign Favre or Brunnell as a FA.

Way to take the long view.

kcfan82
06-19-2007, 09:41 PM
Way to take the long view.

I still wager we're drafting a QB next season......

KcMizzou
06-19-2007, 09:42 PM
From the short preseason stint I saw last year I'd say no. Hopefully this buys carl enough time to sign Favre or Brunnell as a FA.
That preseason stint amounts to nothing. And the thought of signing Farve or Brunell makes me cringe.

Carl's not that stupid.

Ugly Duck
06-19-2007, 09:44 PM
That preseason stint amounts to nothing.

Don't be so tough on the guy... at least some of his passes were not interceptions....

Brock
06-19-2007, 09:45 PM
I still wager we're drafting a QB next season......

I wouldn't be surprised by that either.

kcfan82
06-19-2007, 09:45 PM
That preseason stint amounts to nothing. And the thought of signing Farve or Brunell makes me cringe.

Carl's not that stupid.

It was a joke, but I don't see Croyle as a lifer here. When I saw him last season he looked tiny, although he had a nice arm.

Believe me, I hope he pans out but I think Huard is getting the call after week 2-3.

KcMizzou
06-19-2007, 09:46 PM
Don't be so tough on the guy... at least some of his passes were not interceptions....Meh, you know what I mean.

If we go with Croyle (and I hope we do), I can't wait to see your game thread cliff-notes for the up-coming season. Even after a bad game, they can give me a good laugh.

Direckshun
06-19-2007, 10:29 PM
You are just slobbin' all over his knob now, aren't you UD?

Direckshun
06-19-2007, 10:30 PM
It was a joke, but I don't see Croyle as a lifer here. When I saw him last season he looked tiny, although he had a nice arm.

Believe me, I hope he pans out but I think Huard is getting the call after week 2-3.
Zero chance that happens.

Herm will give Brodie an actual chance. He's not going to send him into Chicago on week 2 and tell him "you're playing for your job -- GO!"

kcfan82
06-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Zero chance that happens.

Herm will give Brodie an actual chance. He's not going to send him into Chicago on week 2 and tell him "you're playing for your job -- GO!"

Regardless of the circumstances, I don't know if Carl will allow it to happen. He seems more apt to keep us above mediocre to keeep people in the seats. I'm all about rebuilding/reloading, however I don't think Carl will ever let that happen.

Brock
06-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Zero chance that happens.

Herm will give Brodie an actual chance. He's not going to send him into Chicago on week 2 and tell him "you're playing for your job -- GO!"

If he turns the ball over a lot, he'd get benched.

Brock
06-19-2007, 10:34 PM
Regardless of the circumstances, I don't know if Carl will allow it to happen. He seems more apt to keep us above mediocre to keeep people in the seats. I'm all about rebuilding/reloading, however I don't think Carl will ever let that happen.

what is it you call what the team is doing right now?

FAX
06-19-2007, 10:34 PM
If he turns the ball over a lot, he'd get benched.

You don't think Herm would let him play through it, Mr. Brock?

FAX

scott free
06-19-2007, 10:35 PM
I'm all about rebuilding/reloading, however I don't think Carl will ever let that happen.

We are in the middle of that as you type, somehow i think Carl WILL let it happen.

Brock
06-19-2007, 10:38 PM
You don't think Herm would let him play through it, Mr. Brock?

FAX

Up to a point. What that point is, is what I'm saying.

Direckshun
06-19-2007, 10:39 PM
If he turns the ball over a lot, he'd get benched.
Disagree.

Trent got stepped on by Brian Waters in the playoff game and Herm didn't bench him.

Herm's going to let Brodie learn the way you should always let a young QB learn. You put his ass on the field, you tell him to attack every set of downs like a new day, and you see how well he pans out.

kcfan82
06-19-2007, 10:39 PM
what is it you call what the team is doing right now?

I know what they are doing, but they didn't resign Huard knowing that Croyle is the goto guiy no matter what. Huard is stable enough to keep this offense going if he fails.

The only other questionable trade I saw was Hall, I don't think he had the same help in the KR unit as he had in previous years. I don't think it was all on him.

Anyway, I fail to remember Carl trying to rebuild like this in previous years, it must be Herms doing which I am fine with.

KcMizzou
06-19-2007, 10:40 PM
We are in the middle of that as you type, somehow i think Carl WILL let it happen.Who'd have thunk it? At the end of his reign...

Yet, it's happening.

(That's a bit melodramatic, but my point stands)

Sully
06-19-2007, 10:41 PM
JamRuss?


Are you ****ing serious?

Brock
06-19-2007, 10:42 PM
I know what they are doing, but they didn't resign Huard knowing that Croyle is the goto guiy no matter what. Huard is stable enough to keep this offense going if he fails.

What is it you are advocating here? Going into next season with Printers as our backup to Croyle to prove that the Chiefs are serious about rebuilding?

Phobia
06-19-2007, 10:43 PM
You don't think Herm would let him play through it, Mr. Brock?

FAX

If Herm let Trent Green start the second half against the Colts, he'll let Croyle play through a 30 turnover season.

Direckshun
06-19-2007, 10:45 PM
If Herm let Trent Green start the second half against the Colts, he'll let Croyle play through a 30 turnover season.
Bing. Go.

KcMizzou
06-19-2007, 10:45 PM
If Herm let Trent Green start the second half against the Colts, he'll let Croyle play through a 30 turnover season.Heh.

Good point.

FAX
06-19-2007, 10:46 PM
Up to a point. What that point is, is what I'm saying.

Ah. Makes sense, Mr. Brock. Through my Hermviewerscope, it appears that he'll put up with quite a few growing pains as long as he thinks that progress is being made and he's not losing face. You're right, though. Eventually, he would probably pull anyone if things were getting out of control. I don't think Herm would allow any player to make him look bad.

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scott free
06-19-2007, 10:47 PM
Who'd have thunk it? At the end of his reign...

Yet, it's happening.

(That's a bit melodramatic, but my point stands)

Carls a ICEY HOT STUNTA.

I'll put together a week long rep barrage for anyone who can photoshop Carl into that group of morans.

FAX
06-19-2007, 10:50 PM
If Herm let Trent Green start the second half against the Colts, he'll let Croyle play through a 30 turnover season.

That's a little different, isn't it, Mr. Phobia? Trent's a seasoned vet and Brodie is, essentially, a rookie.

Besides, we can debate as to how much of that performance was actually on Trent. I didn't count the number of dropped balls, but there were quite a few. Plus, Trent's 75 handoffs to our RB driving up the center's anus were pristine.

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Phobia
06-19-2007, 10:56 PM
That's a little different, isn't it, Mr. Phobia? Trent's a seasoned vet and Brodie is, essentially, a rookie.

Besides, we can debate as to how much of that performance was actually on Trent. I didn't count the number of dropped balls, but there were quite a few. Plus, Trent's 75 handoffs to our RB driving up the center's anus were pristine.

FAX

Sure it's different. But Herm isn't - he's a stubborn guy who doesn't care what anybody else thinks. He's gonna run with his agenda until it's absolutely proven he was wrong. It appears his agenda is starting Croyle, no matter what he says about "fair competition". As long as Herm is the guy in charge, Croyle will get every opportunity to succeed.

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 07:51 AM
It was a joke, but I don't see Croyle as a lifer here. When I saw him last season he looked tiny, although he had a nice arm.

Believe me, I hope he pans out but I think Huard is getting the call after week 2-3.

When was the Sandy Eggo game at Arrowhead? October?

He was the SAME SIZE AS TRENT GREEN at that game, and he's had 6 months of conditioning since then.

The "tiny" accusation is downright laughable.

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 07:52 AM
but they didn't resign Huard knowing that Croyle is the goto guiy no matter what.

Yes they most certainly did.

3 years, $7.5M.

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 07:53 AM
Sure it's different. But Herm isn't - he's a stubborn guy who doesn't care what anybody else thinks. He's gonna run with his agenda until it's absolutely proven he was wrong. It appears his agenda is starting Croyle, no matter what he says about "fair competition". As long as Herm is the guy in charge, Croyle will get every opportunity to succeed.

Bingo.

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 07:57 AM
Holthus was on with Keitzman last night and the one thing he said about Croyle that stuck out was this:

He said the offense with Croyle will be MUCH different than with Huard in the passing game. He said there's some routes to the outside that Croyle can throw (he never said Huard CAN'T throw them, but he seemed to insinuate it) and that every pass the kid throws gets there "2 clicks" faster, which will be big, especially against zone defenses.

Demonpenz
06-20-2007, 08:02 AM
In any interviews with holthus I have the feeling he is trying to sell me a chief tickets. I remember a couple years ago it was Wait till you see samie parkers speed. Wow he is going to spread the defence. Then like when we got kendrell bell it was "this guy is going to win us a game or two with his sacks"

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 08:13 AM
In any interviews with holthus I have the feeling he is trying to sell me a chief tickets. I remember a couple years ago it was Wait till you see samie parkers speed. Wow he is going to spread the defense. Then like when we got kendrell bell it was "this guy is going to win us a game or two with his sacks"

You have to cut through alot of BS with Holthus. But he'll also give you morsels that nobody else will give you.

Demonpenz
06-20-2007, 08:14 AM
You have to cut through alot of BS with Holthus. But he'll also give you morsels that nobody else will give you.


with atleast some passion that will get you excited.

Wile_E_Coyote
06-20-2007, 08:25 AM
You too, can have Centaur fuel