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Logical
06-20-2007, 12:57 AM
They then proceed to lose 3 close fought games in a row. Do you support sticking with Croyle or changing back to Huard?

Hootie you don't need to vote.:p

Der Flöprer
06-20-2007, 12:59 AM
If the Chiefs start off 4-2 with all of those games to start the season on the road, I don't think any changes will be made unless injuries occur. If however, that was the case, No. I wouldn't change back to Huard. At 4-5 playoffs would be pretty slim, and at that point you let the kid play the rest of the year to evaluate whether he is a long term solution to the position.

Guru
06-20-2007, 01:00 AM
Would not change in that scenario.

CoMoChief
06-20-2007, 01:01 AM
No way would any coach in the league make a QB change if they were 4-2 unless they were forced because of an injury.

Der Flöprer
06-20-2007, 01:02 AM
No way would any coach in the league make a QB change if they were 4-2 unless they were forced because of an injury.


Are you the neck guy? I don't have any shit to talk, I'm just curious.

CosmicPal
06-20-2007, 01:04 AM
I think we should start an all-Muslim team.

Guru
06-20-2007, 01:06 AM
I think we should start an all-Muslim team.
NTTAWWT

luv
06-20-2007, 01:09 AM
You can't change to Brodie Croyle after 4-2 if he's the one already starting. :)

Guru
06-20-2007, 01:10 AM
You can't change to Brodie Croyle after 4-2 if he's the one already starting. :)
Bout time you said something.

luv
06-20-2007, 01:12 AM
Bout time you said something.
I'll bet that's the only time I see that written to me in a football related thread.

Logical
06-20-2007, 01:12 AM
You can't change to Brodie Croyle after 4-2 if he's the one already starting. :)

That is not consistent with the scenario I had in mind, but I get your point.

Guru
06-20-2007, 01:13 AM
I'll bet that's the only time I see that written to me in a football related thread.
Bout time you said something.

patteeu
06-20-2007, 01:14 AM
Like others who have already posted, I'd be shocked if the Chiefs made a non-injury-related QB change if they were 4-2. If they made the change because of injury, I'd favor going back to Huard. If they made the change just because they wanted Croyle to show them what he could do then I'd want to stick with Croyle and play it out.

SPchief
06-20-2007, 01:23 AM
Why would we switch to Croyle at 4-2?


And it won't matter because Croyle will be starting on opening day.

Buck
06-20-2007, 01:29 AM
LMAO

ClevelandBronco
06-20-2007, 01:30 AM
If you start with Huard and move to Croyle, there's no going back, IMO. If Croyle gets yanked at that point, no matter what his record is, you stand the chance of wrecking the confidence of the guy who is currently your best option for QOTF.

Once you go to Croyle you've made a commitment to his development, and you have to stick with what he brings you for the rest of this coming season and one more at the very least.

Sitting a 4-2 Huard would be a sketchy decision, but Plummer got yanked with a winning record.

Guru
06-20-2007, 01:32 AM
Sitting a 4-2 Huard would be a sketchy decision, but Plummer got yanked with a winning record.

Which seems impossible.

Buck
06-20-2007, 01:34 AM
What are the Chiefs first 6 games this year?

Buck
06-20-2007, 01:39 AM
Fine, I'll look it up myself.

Buck
06-20-2007, 01:42 AM
09/09/07 at Houston Texans 12:00 PM CBS Win
09/16/07 at Chicago Bears 3:15 PM CBS Loss
09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 PM FOX Win
09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS Loss
10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars 12:00 PM CBS Loss
10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS Loss

I see 2-4

ClevelandBronco
06-20-2007, 01:47 AM
09/09/07 at Houston Texans 12:00 PM CBS Win
09/16/07 at Chicago Bears 3:15 PM CBS Loss
09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 PM FOX Win
09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS Loss
10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars 12:00 PM CBS Loss
10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS Loss

I see 2-4

Jacksonville? Win.

Buck
06-20-2007, 01:48 AM
Jacksonville? Win.
I don't think so.

CoMoChief
06-20-2007, 02:33 AM
Are you the neck guy? I don't have any shit to talk, I'm just curious.

Who's the "neck" guy? I think that may be Direkshun's avatar.

booger
06-20-2007, 02:51 AM
I always thought the neck guy was Jon McGraw

ClevelandBronco
06-20-2007, 02:53 AM
Who's the "neck" guy? I think that may be Direkshun's avatar.

Direckshun thinks he's being clever. I think he's being the kind of asshole that we used to be allowed to beat up on the playground.

RedThat
06-20-2007, 03:38 AM
First off, if the Chiefs started off 4-2 with Huard then why change? That would make zero sense. Unless, Huard got hurt? then okay you have no choice.

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 07:07 AM
They then proceed to lose 3 close fought games in a row. Do you support sticking with Croyle or changing back to Huard?

Hootie you don't need to vote.:p
I think people have me confused...

I'm not a Damon Huard fan...

I just thought we had a pretty competitive team last year, and we could've made some noise HAD we benched Green.

Green didn't work with our team last year...our line wasn't good enough to enable Green to be effective.

Huard was doing fine with our shitty line because when he had any doubt he'd dump it to Larry or heave it to Gonzo...and it was working.

So please, don't get it confused...I could careless about Damon Huard...if Croyle is ANY good, I'll forget real fast about Damon even being a Chief...

That being said, I rather go 10-6 and enjoy the season then 3-13 and want to kill myself after every Sunday.

I hate the idiot fans who would rather lose to see us pick up a better draft spot. **** you.

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 07:08 AM
09/09/07 at Houston Texans 12:00 PM CBS Loss
09/16/07 at Chicago Bears 3:15 PM CBS Loss
09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 PM FOX Win
09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS Loss
10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars 12:00 PM CBS Win
10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS Win

That's how I see it...I think we're in for a loss week 1.

keg in kc
06-20-2007, 07:24 AM
With or without JaredUI Allen, if we lose to Houston in week 1, we're in for a long season. That's not a good team. At all.

KC-TBB
06-20-2007, 07:47 AM
WHAT IF...a comet falls from space and plasters Carl Peterson and he is in like a coma forever, would you support bringing in another GM?
These What if games suck...lets just let it play out and see what happens...THEN we can bitch our heads off. :deevee:

Buehler445
06-20-2007, 08:13 AM
I don't think this situation is at all feasible. If they have any confidence in Croyle, he will most likely start the entire season. Herm has talked over and over about wanting to get better on the road. The does NOT mean letting your QB get broken in at home. It may be wiser, but it goes against what Herm is trying to do.

EDIT: However, if that were the case, I still support Croyle. In the AFCW, it would be tough to get in at 4-5, so you just develop him. Unless he destroys all hope for potential development. Then you put in Huard, and start watching Sr. College QB's.

boogblaster
06-20-2007, 08:14 AM
It looks to me like a young team starting this year..that said, Ill be disapointed if we lose to Houston..I think we'll play Chargers down to the final minutes too...

Chiefnj
06-20-2007, 08:17 AM
Herm is too conservative to switch QBs at a 4-2 mark.

Direckshun
06-20-2007, 08:32 AM
09/09/07 at Houston Texans 12:00 PM CBS Win
09/16/07 at Chicago Bears 3:15 PM CBS Loss
09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 PM FOX Win
09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS Loss
10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars 12:00 PM CBS Loss
10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS Loss

I see 2-4
I see more of a 3-3 affair, but it could just as likely be 4-2.

I see the Bengals game as a 50-50. Jags game is probably about 60-40 in our favor.

Demonpenz
06-20-2007, 08:37 AM
I would get the qb that gives a chance to win on sundays if that maybe huard bring him in.

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 09:11 AM
Croyle starts the entire season.

Wile_E_Coyote
06-20-2007, 09:31 AM
Manning or Brady couldn't get the Chiefs to 4-2

StcChief
06-20-2007, 10:08 AM
3-3 likely
Houston W
Bears L
Vikings W
SD L
Jags W
Bungles W-L

Bungles could go either way. and Croyle/Huard Don't get Geathered.

|Zach|
06-20-2007, 10:13 AM
Croyle we will the starter for the Chiefs from the get go.

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 10:28 AM
Croyle starts the entire season.
Great.

Looks like we're spending out first pick on a QB next year!

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 10:29 AM
Manning or Brady couldn't get the Chiefs to 4-2
while I do agree our schedule seems to be quite brutal (and it is), I think Manning would make our team Super Bowl caliber.

Coogs
06-20-2007, 10:32 AM
Great.

Looks like we're spending out first pick on a QB next year!

Why would that be? Sure, Croyle would make some mistakes. Comes with the growing pains of a young QB. But if he pans out... growing pains and all.... damn! Think about the possibilities of this team in the future.

Now if he does not have what it takes.... then yes.... QB is probably high on the draft list.


Personally, I think he is going to make it.

Simply Red
06-20-2007, 10:32 AM
Wow. Turns out my crystal ball is missing. Oh look what a coincidence; all of yours are missing as well.

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 10:34 AM
Great.

Looks like we're spending out first pick on a QB next year!

It must be rough latching onto a career never-was.

Sure-Oz
06-20-2007, 10:47 AM
I think we should start an all-Muslim team.
I'll play WR 6'2" 190!!

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 11:06 AM
It must be rough latching onto a career never-was.
I never latched onto Huard's "career."

I simply stated he was better for the Chiefs last year than Green was.

And I was right.

And it pains you so much you can't even admit it...lol

Baby Lee
06-20-2007, 11:08 AM
They then proceed to lose 3 close fought games in a row. Do you support sticking with Croyle or changing back to Huard?

Hootie you don't need to vote.:p
OK here's the deal. The Chiefs start 4-0, then TonyG gets an arm eaten off by an alligator. Now he's the blocking TE and Jason Dunn's the receiver. But he's not even as effective as Jordan Black with just the one arm, and in week 6 Geathers repeats history, this time throwing Croyle clear into the stands, rendering him parapalegic.
On these premises, the question is, how furiously is Logical rubbing his love lump right now over all the dour pessimistic speculative fantasy going on?

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 11:10 AM
I never latched onto Huard's "career."

I simply stated he was better for the Chiefs last year than Green was.

And I was right.

And it pains you so much you can't even admit it...lol

The Chiefs were 9-7.

Huard was 5-3 as a starter. Green was 4-4.

He was SO much better for the Chiefs.

Furthermore, you keep going back to last season. Where's the righteous indignance about Huard being the starting QB THIS season?

Oh yeah, your hero let you down when he signed a BACKUP contract without ever exploring free agency.

htismaqe
06-20-2007, 11:10 AM
OK here's the deal. The Chiefs start 4-0, then TonyG gets an arm eaten off by an alligator. Now he's the blocking TE and Jason Dunn's the receiver. But he's not even as effective as Jordan Black with just the one arm, and in week 6 Geathers repeats history, this time throwing Croyle clear into the stands, rendering him parapalegic.
On these premises, the question is, how furiously is Logical rubbing his love lump right now over all the dour pessimistic speculative fantasy going on?

ROFL

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 01:26 PM
The Chiefs were 9-7.

Huard was 5-3 as a starter. Green was 4-4.

He was SO much better for the Chiefs.

Furthermore, you keep going back to last season. Where's the righteous indignance about Huard being the starting QB THIS season?

Oh yeah, your hero let you down when he signed a BACKUP contract without ever exploring free agency.
I took more shit than anyone on this board for the Huard/Green debate...and when it was all said and done, I was right, and everyone agreed.

If you don't think Huard was the better QB than Green LAST SEASON, you're in denial, and truly displeased that I was right after-all.

As for Croyle being the starting QB this season...we'll see...but if he is, against our opening schedule...what a waste of a 'could be' promising career.

He's doomed if he starts this season...we'll be using a #1 on a QB next year.

And that sucks.

Count Alex's Losses
06-20-2007, 01:29 PM
He's doomed if he starts this season...we'll be using a #1 on a QB next year.

And that sucks.

When did you become your avatar?

88TG88
06-20-2007, 01:32 PM
Are you the neck guy? I don't have any shit to talk, I'm just curious.
I think his name was COchiefs

Baby Lee
06-20-2007, 01:33 PM
As for Croyle being the starting QB this season...we'll see...but if he is, against our opening schedule...what a waste of a 'could be' promising career.

He's doomed if he starts this season...we'll be using a #1 on a QB next year.
What was Aikman's record his rookie season?

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 01:46 PM
What was Aikman's record his rookie season?
I think the success rate of guys who immediately fail is real, real, REAL low...

Of course there are always exceptions...but we saw how good Philip Rivers was last year, and he didn't play for two full seasons...

Why not let Damon face the tough part of our schedule...if he fails (like he probably will), let Croyle take over and take the pressure off the kid...

If we start 1-3 with Croyle...KC fans are going to be calling for his head, he's going to lose all confidence, and every uninformed fan will be booing him at Arrowhead and calling for Huard, JUST LIKE LAST YEAR when Green began to struggle.

You guys aren't looking into this very deeply...

But hey, if you want to see a guy get his confidence shattered, that's your problem...I'm kind of hoping he's our QB of the future...which is why Damon NEEDS to be starting @ Houston week 1.

Baby Lee
06-20-2007, 01:48 PM
0-11, with the team going 1-15
FYP

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 01:51 PM
Great...let's go 1-15, draft Brohm, start him immediately, shatter his confidence, and be set back 5+ years just like the Texans...

OR

we start Huard the first four games, let him start 1-3, bring in Croyle, give him 7 of 9 at home, build him a little confidence, get a pretty good pick in 2008, and build from there...

I'll take option 2.

Baby Lee
06-20-2007, 01:56 PM
Great...let's go 1-15, draft Brohm, start him immediately, shatter his confidence, and be set back 5+ years just like the Texans...

OR

we start Huard the first four games, let him start 1-3, bring in Croyle, give him 7 of 9 at home, build him a little confidence, get a pretty good pick in 2008, and build from there...

I'll take option 2.
Yeah, like the 'boys did drafting another QBoTF after Aikman's anemic start. . . . Oh wait!! They drafted Emmitt Smith R1 in 1990. But, he's a RB!!! And Aikman's confidence was SHATTERED!!!111ONEONE!!UNO!UNO!UNO.

Reerun_KC
06-20-2007, 01:56 PM
Great...let's go 1-15, draft Brohm, start him immediately, shatter his confidence, and be set back 5+ years just like the Texans...

OR

we start Huard the first four games, let him start 1-3, bring in Croyle, give him 7 of 9 at home, build him a little confidence, get a pretty good pick in 2008, and build from there...

I'll take option 2.


Will you ever give up this Huard thing? I thought I was bad with my Herm rants, but yours are making my little rants seem trivial by comparison...

Reerun_KC
06-20-2007, 01:58 PM
Croyle Starts! Period...

IMO, the let the wrong backup go... Green would be 10 times the mentor to Croyle than Huard could ever dream of being...

Trent was/could still be a Pro Bowl QB... Huard is and always a will be a backup/never was....

Baby Lee
06-20-2007, 02:00 PM
let Croyle take over and take the pressure off the kid...
Serious question, are you operating on the premise that Croyle has mommy parts instead of daddy parts?

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 02:01 PM
Yeah, like the 'boys did drafting another QBoTF after Aikman's anemic start. . . . Oh wait!! They drafted Emmitt Smith R1 in 1990. But, he's a RB!!! And Aikman's confidence was SHATTERED!!!111ONEONE!!UNO!UNO!UNO.
Dude...

Get over this Aikman thing. For your ONE example of a young QB overcoming a terrible season, I can think of a HUNDRED examples of young QB's with MUCH MORE HYPE than Croyle who didn't...

Shit, is Croyle even as good as Charlie Frye? People were comparing him to Montana before last season. Mike Golic himself...

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 02:03 PM
Croyle Starts! Period...

IMO, the let the wrong backup go... Green would be 10 times the mentor to Croyle than Huard could ever dream of being...

Trent was/could still be a Pro Bowl QB... Huard is and always a will be a backup/never was....
Trent, a pro bowl QB?! You've got to be kidding me!

He couldn't even complete a 3 yard pass to LJ in the flats...he is rattled now, for good...

Without Roaf protecting his blindside, Green is simply an average QB, at the very best.

And so is Huard...but at least Huard can find his playmakers rather than force the ball to Samie Parker (Green's weapon of choice!)

Baby Lee
06-20-2007, 02:12 PM
Dude...

Get over this Aikman thing. For your ONE example of a young QB overcoming a terrible season, I can think of a HUNDRED examples of young QB's with MUCH MORE HYPE than Croyle who didn't...

Shit, is Croyle even as good as Charlie Frye? People were comparing him to Montana before last season. Mike Golic himself...
The point is, you don't know HOW Croyle's going to react to adversity.
And I find the comparison intriguing because I don't think Aikman's a great QB. He was very competent at leading the massive talent assembled around him. And I think we're getting in a swing of much better drafting.
So if Croyle is put in there, not expected to be the saviour, but to hone his craft, as the talent around him gets younger, faster and stronger, I'm fine with that process starting as soon as possible.

Breaking his bones is a reasonable fear, breaking his spirit has no foundation.

Reerun_KC
06-20-2007, 02:28 PM
Trent, a pro bowl QB?! You've got to be kidding me!

He couldn't even complete a 3 yard pass to LJ in the flats...he is rattled now, for good...

Without Roaf protecting his blindside, Green is simply an average QB, at the very best.

And so is Huard...but at least Huard can find his playmakers rather than force the ball to Samie Parker (Green's weapon of choice!)

Since we are living in last year... Huard did his best to break every rib Tony G has in the Miami game....

Regardless, Mr. Last year.... Looking forward there is no one on the current Chiefs roster deserves the shot to be under center more than Croyle. We saw enough of Huard in Miami and Pittsburg games to know he can't get it done agianst real defenses...

Its all so trivial.... Herm knows that Croyle is best option for the Chiefs to grow and succeed as a team over the course of the year and next year...

Starting Huard sets the Chiefs as a franchise back AGIAN another 2-3 years...

BigRock
06-20-2007, 03:46 PM
Great...let's go 1-15, draft Brohm, start him immediately, shatter his confidence, and be set back 5+ years just like the Texans...
We're not drafting a QB with the first pick next year. If Croyle starts the whole way and goes 0-16, they aren't drafting a QB with the first pick next year. They aren't going to give up on a young QB after one season, unless Croyle has a Ryan Leaf esque meltdown along the way and ends up crawling into the fetal position and sucking his thumb every time he throws an incompletion.

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 07:21 PM
Since we are living in last year... Huard did his best to break every rib Tony G has in the Miami game....

Regardless, Mr. Last year.... Looking forward there is no one on the current Chiefs roster deserves the shot to be under center more than Croyle. We saw enough of Huard in Miami and Pittsburg games to know he can't get it done agianst real defenses...

Its all so trivial.... Herm knows that Croyle is best option for the Chiefs to grow and succeed as a team over the course of the year and next year...

Starting Huard sets the Chiefs as a franchise back AGIAN another 2-3 years...
Your opinion on the subject is valued ZERO on this board...you're an idiot.

And we all saw how good Herm is at evaluating the QB position...after all, he is the guy that chose Pennington as his starter when he was CLEARLY injured two years ago when the Jets faced the Chiefs week 1...that was the most AWFUL performance I've ever seen from an NFL QB...and Herm allowed that guy to take the field...a guy so mentally out of it because of his shoulder he couldn't catch a shotgun snap.

Reerun_KC
06-20-2007, 07:31 PM
Your opinion on the subject is valued ZERO on this board...you're an idiot.


LAMO...

Pot meet Kettle!

And isnt it Your and Idiot?

Get it straight boy....

Short Leash Hootie
06-20-2007, 07:35 PM
LAMO...

Pot meet Kettle!

And isnt it Your and Idiot?

Get it straight boy....
no...

I don't use old school Chiefsplanet lingo because I didn't join until a year and a half ago...and I'm not a want-a-be like yourself ;)

PinkFloyd
06-20-2007, 07:40 PM
Not to worry... Jeff George will be signed and he will lead us to the promise land !!!

TinyEvel
06-20-2007, 07:42 PM
Are you the neck guy? I don't have any shit to talk, I'm just curious.

Do you mean me? I started a thread about how cool it would be to be a vampire, since I'm finding myself recently more and more into necks.

ChenzA! agreed.

Reerun_KC
06-20-2007, 07:58 PM
no...

I don't use old school Chiefsplanet lingo because I didn't join until a year and a half ago...and I'm not a want-a-be like yourself ;)


Want-a-be? ROFL

Your a hoot, hence the name Hootie....

Keep up the Huard man love, you are providing hours of entertainment!

Reerun_KC
06-20-2007, 07:59 PM
Not to worry... Jeff George will be signed and he will lead us to the promise land !!!

I was thinking good ol Vinnie T....

CoMoChief
06-20-2007, 07:59 PM
Why dont we just trade our next 2 drafts to the Colts for Peyton Manning, fire Solari and just have Peyton Manning become the offensive coordinator?

PinkFloyd
06-20-2007, 08:02 PM
Why dont we just trade our next 2 drafts to the Colts for Peyton Manning?

I'm afraid the Colts would want more like 12 instead of 2...

Logical
06-20-2007, 08:02 PM
OK here's the deal. The Chiefs start 4-0, then TonyG gets an arm eaten off by an alligator. Now he's the blocking TE and Jason Dunn's the receiver. But he's not even as effective as Jordan Black with just the one arm, and in week 6 Geathers repeats history, this time throwing Croyle clear into the stands, rendering him parapalegic.
On these premises, the question is, how furiously is Logical rubbing his love lump right now over all the dour pessimistic speculative fantasy going on?

I admit that is pretty funny.

Short Leash Hootie
09-28-2007, 09:24 AM
for the record...another thread I owned THE MAQ in...

if you're reading this, go back and edit all your posts so you're just a little off...isn't that what THE MAQ does?!

Short Leash Hootie
09-28-2007, 09:24 AM
Trent, a pro bowl QB?! You've got to be kidding me!

He couldn't even complete a 3 yard pass to LJ in the flats...he is rattled now, for good...

Without Roaf protecting his blindside, Green is simply an average QB, at the very best.

And so is Huard...but at least Huard can find his playmakers rather than force the ball to Samie Parker (Green's weapon of choice!)
I'm good at this stuff...

patteeu
09-28-2007, 10:13 AM
Once they change, I don't think they should go back unless (a) Croyle is playing only because Huard was injured and Huard is ready to come back, (b) Croyle is injured or (c) they decide that Croyle is not the QBOTF. I might support a change if Croyle is stinking it up in a playoff game and the coaches think bringing Huard in might give the team a "spark" but I'm not sure.

Edit: Ooops, didnt' see that this was an old thread. I'm glad my answer is consistent with my original or that would be embarrassing.

Tribal Warfare
09-28-2007, 10:35 AM
I'm good at this stuff...


funniest post EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL

Micjones
09-28-2007, 10:39 AM
I just can't see a change at QB after a 4-2 start, but I'd stick it out with Croyle if he were given the job.

That way we can decide whether to stick with him next season or move on.