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KCinNY
06-22-2007, 09:04 AM
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Send LJ Packing
td.yspwidearticlebody { font-size: 13.5px; }By Jason Cole (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/expertsarchive;_ylt=AhCjivGUoAs3MSHAzrXb0rjsYNAF?author=Jason+Cole), Yahoo! Sports



So how would Larry Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6363/;_ylt=AvKVQsAmPVDfsvJjFG7e6xrsYNAF) look in a Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/phi/;_ylt=AgbY5pwuHPYjcNja20hrPtDsYNAF) uniform? Or maybe New York Giants (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nyg/;_ylt=At_Qe14W_axiwLyZwB_GVozsYNAF), Green Bay Packers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/gnb/;_ylt=AsiRTcNJNg6wjRnhvJeOYSnsYNAF) or New Orleans Saints (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/;_ylt=AiWg.8kMVFfzTQAAddRlTNjsYNAF) duds?
Farfetched? Inconceivable?

Hardly.

In fact, for all concerned particularly the money-seeking Johnson it may be the perfect solution. On Thursday, Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock reported that the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan/;_ylt=Aik2HpytRnTr4BGDoH0xMf3sYNAF)' star running back is asking for a new contract and is prepared to holdout from training camp to get one.

Fair enough. Johnson can choose whatever path he deems best to get his money. Furthermore, after registering an NFL-record 416 carries last season, even the Chiefs might prefer to give Johnson a few days off from the grind of training camp.


But the really smart move for the Chiefs would be to trade Johnson now while his value is at its peak. Around the NFL, that is. For the Chiefs, Johnson's value is not all that strong.
That's because Johnson is a premier running back on a rebuilding team. After last season, coach Herm Edwards talked openly about his team needing to get younger. As a result, quarterback Trent Green (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2547/;_ylt=Ap6SCIsI6bVd1j6yYZgojUjsYNAF) was dealt to the Miami Dolphins (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/mia/;_ylt=ArP.eVtCipcNfjK6omlAF0LsYNAF) and when perennial Pro Bowl guard Will Shields (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2445/;_ylt=Ag9T6yXDPhRlXSbbgl3Yd9DsYNAF) retired, there was no outcry among Kansas City management to have him come back. At least nothing close to the begging the Chiefs did last season when left tackle Willie Roaf (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2586/;_ylt=AjQZi_ZBmrJFUriqON_1ZjrsYNAF) called it quits.

While Johnson is only 27 and has been starting for only the past two seasons, NFL running backs age faster than Hollywood starlets particularly when they are worked harder than undocumented laborers.

Take a quick look at the four backs to carry 400-plus times before Johnson.

In 1984, James Wilder of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/tam/;_ylt=AtX5.7l4x4kDoEWjj_jZn5HsYNAF) carried 407 times to set the NFL mark at the time. He had a respectable 1,300 yards the next season, but his stats declined in every other significant category, such as yards per carry.

In 1986, Eric Dickerson had 404 carries. Dickerson, who was a physical marvel over his first six seasons, held up surprisingly well. He was traded the middle of the following season to the Indianapolis Colts (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/ind/;_ylt=Ah9QGLM7QkiInPm6rctB9Y_sYNAF) and took advantage of a strike-shortened season to get some extra rest. Between 1987 and 1988, Dickerson averaged more than 100 yards per game. That makes him the exception among these four.

In 1998, Jamal Anderson had a record 410 carries as he helped the Atlanta Falcons (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/atl/;_ylt=ApTnNauL5uhSTksOZHxt.gHsYNAF) reach the Super Bowl. In 1999, he tore up his knee. He had only more season with 1,000 yards and was done by 2001.

In 2000, Eddie George of the Tennessee Titans (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/ten/;_ylt=AjywXrTH4iHafz9Ux5MGTa3sYNAF) had 403 carries in the fifth of his first five outstanding seasons. During that run, George averaged 1,375 yards per season. However, in his final four years, his best season total was 1,165 yards in 2002.

Will Johnson be more like Dickerson or one of the other three? In the best-case scenario, he has a couple of seasons like Dickerson and then is done. In the worst, he's already shot.

Or, as Edwards said last season after Kansas City beat the Denver Broncos (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/;_ylt=ApviRhp0od01KBlm056IpU3sYNAF) on Thanksgiving Day, "It's not like he's going to play for 10 years."

That quote was also after Edwards had Johnson carry 34 times for 157 yards against the Broncos and 65 times over a five-day stretch (Johnson had 31 carries on the previous Sunday in a win over the Oakland Raiders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/oak/;_ylt=AnyzodFGP097fAgZK3oeXvfsYNAF)).

Johnson certainly isn't going to play anywhere close to that long under Edwards, a man who is your typical coach. Edwards talks long term in the offseason and acts shortsighted in the season when it's about winning games.

If Johnson is around this season with the Chiefs, he's going to be little more than elaborate protection for starting quarterback Brodie Croyle (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7834/;_ylt=An2EzeFbYKcLJBF.VnuGeRzsYNAF). The goal this season for the Chiefs is to develop Croyle, who is going into his second season. That's a fair plan.

It's also fair to assume Johnson, or whoever the Kansas City running back is this season, is going to see a lot of eight-man fronts until Croyle can prove he can beat somebody. With the declining offensive line in front of Johnson, that's a recipe for disaster and frustration.

In addition, Johnson isn't likely to be at his peak when the Chiefs start to get better under Croyle, if they ever get better.

Johnson gets that already. That's why he's asking for a big raise over the $1.7 million he's slated to make this season. It's hard to blame him for that.

Or as Johnson's agent Alvin Keels said in the Whitlock story: "The point I'd like to get out is that if we were to have to hold out, it would be for the sake of good business, not being greedy. It's not good business for a player who rushes the ball 416 times in a season, back-to-back Pro Bowl seasons, back-to-back 1,700-yard seasons, back-to-back broken Kansas City Chiefs records, it's not good business for him to come back in and play for $1.7 million. And that's a sensitive area because $1.7 million is a lot more than most people in Kansas City make."

Of course, plenty of people are going to rip Johnson on principle. Such is life. After watching guys like Earl Campbell carry a heavy load and end up practically crippled, it's hard to blame a player like Johnson for asking for more.

The bigger issue is that Johnson and the Chiefs would be best served if Johnson were traded to a contender that could pay him.

Enter the Eagles, who are one of 13 teams around the league with more than $10 million in salary-cap space.

Some Eagles fans might counter that Philadelphia already has running back Brian Westbrook (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5977/;_ylt=An_NYOtTw_kn_rwcBCOvVxTsYNAF). Westbrook is nice, but he's no Johnson, who is a premier power back. Furthermore, the Eagles have positioned themselves to win now with quarterback Donovan McNabb (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4650/;_ylt=ArlO4BRR.clujLgyA0DOVq7sYNAF) and have the money to get a top player like Johnson.

Likewise, the Giants need a running back to replace Tiki Barber (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3937/;_ylt=Ar0Fxm_d82pjlCw_W5eCuansYNAF). Brandon Jacobs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7286/;_ylt=AsiV2Ids95gRxuHJIYWl4ozsYNAF) is nice, but he looks more like a complementary player than a full-time guy. Green Bay has a bunch of interesting prospects, but no premier guy. Beyond that, if the Packers want to make quarterback Brett Favre (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1025/;_ylt=AkoeWPe9j5sKGN8jNJ6mHBnsYNAF) happy, Johnson is a perfect salve.

New Orleans? Deuce McAllister (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5470/;_ylt=AueXuABOtFaf3K42GI4mSdzsYNAF) and Reggie Bush (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7751/;_ylt=AlJKMyN0rZYWmYzv_xFpT7XsYNAF) were a great combination last season. Johnson and Bush would be even better, allowing superior schemer Sean Payton to come up with even more great plays for his explosive offense.

Finally, the Chiefs should be able to get real value for Johnson at this point. When Dickerson was traded in 1987, he was part of a deal that netted the Rams three first-round picks.

That probably won't happen, but the point is that this is the time of the year when coaches and GMs are thinking big.
Johnson might allow them to think bigger.
Jason Cole is a national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Jason a question or comment (http://sports.yahoo.com/top/feedback?author=Jason+Cole) for potential use in a future column or webcast.

Pneuma
06-22-2007, 09:28 AM
Jason Cole is an award-winning writer who covered the Miami Dolphins for 15 years at The Miami Herald and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. A member of the Pro Football Writers Association, he also has experience covering the NBA. Jason graduated from Stanford with a degree in communication.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/expertsarchive?author=Jason+Cole

Jason dosn't know the Chiefs...this article is pure opinion. He just looked at some stats and spouted off.

ROYC75
06-22-2007, 09:31 AM
If some dumbass sent us 3 # 1's for LJ, we better take it......

FTR, it isn't going to happen........ but if history repeats itself, LJ will fall apart soon.

Micjones
06-22-2007, 09:36 AM
To trade Johnson at this point would be throwing Croyle to the wolves.

Won't happen.

InChiefsHell
06-22-2007, 09:40 AM
God I hate the off-season...

Ugly Duck
06-22-2007, 09:40 AM
I have to agree with the author. You guyz should get rid of LJ now. You don't want a guy like that dragging your team down.

Wilson
06-22-2007, 09:42 AM
The way Herm is running LJ into the ground he's going to be in a wheel chair by age 30.

Yeah, he's an asshole for wanting to be paid now.

KC-TBB
06-22-2007, 09:43 AM
what good would 3 #1 picks do us...the Carlesta will just piss em away.

KC-TBB
06-22-2007, 09:44 AM
sorry about that...a little too negative for a Friday post...what I meant to say is, "wow it won't really happen, I see the Chiefs with at least 14 wins this season, the playoffs should be a breeeeeze and Indy is WAY over-rated!"

InChiefsHell
06-22-2007, 09:45 AM
We don't know what we have in Bowe, but I think we can be reasonably happy with the last 2 1st rounders...I don't see Herm "pissing them away"...:rolleyes:

ChiefsfaninPA
06-22-2007, 09:54 AM
LJ is not going to be traded. He will get a long term deal. End of story.

Reerun_KC
06-22-2007, 09:58 AM
I think that is a fair point of view from an outsider looking in....

There were some good point and not so good points...

KC-TBB
06-22-2007, 10:02 AM
We don't know what we have in Bowe, but I think we can be reasonably happy with the last 2 1st rounders...I don't see Herm "pissing them away"...:rolleyes:

No, I agree, I was speaking more of some of our past blunders..it seems that Herm may have brought some sanity to the draft room.

Mr. Laz
06-22-2007, 10:06 AM
definitely a valid point of view

LJ is at peak value and he's not gonna be here when we are really ready to make a run ... well he might be here but he's not gonna be the same.


if you subscribe to the "getting the whole team on the same page" point of view then trading LJ makes sense.

King_Chief_Fan
06-22-2007, 10:07 AM
I have to agree with the author. You guyz should get rid of LJ now. You don't want a guy like that dragging your team down.

Spoken like a true fan of a team that has been owned by the Chiefs for 4 straight years!!

Phobia
06-22-2007, 10:11 AM
I was kinda nodding along with this guy until the New Orleans bit. Then I realized he was a complete moron.

Hog Farmer
06-22-2007, 10:17 AM
Jason Cole has got to be the dumbest SOB I've ever seen. And anybody that agrees with him is STUPED!

Uncle_Ted
06-22-2007, 10:22 AM
Is this guy just pulling teams out of azz? How the hell would the Saints be able to tie up such a huge chunk of their salary cap by paying LJ and Bush? And the Eagles? Not unless Andy Reid has plans to radically restructure their offense.

As for us rebuilding, "rebuilding" is no longer a 5-year project (thanks Carl) in today's NFL. Regardless of LJ's age in "calendar" years, in wear-and-tear from the college and in the pros he is still young.

Uncle_Ted
06-22-2007, 10:22 AM
I was kinda nodding along with this guy until the New Orleans bit. Then I realized he was a complete moron.

Ah you beat me to it ...

Deberg_1990
06-22-2007, 10:30 AM
I was kinda nodding along with this guy until the New Orleans bit. Then I realized he was a complete moron.

Ive seen smarter posters on Chiefsplanet than this guy...

KCinNY
06-22-2007, 10:40 AM
Peterson has a history of hanging on to his draft successes (see DT, Tony G. etc.).

I doubt he'd unload a guy like LJ who makes Peterson look like a shrewd evaluator of talent--remember Dicky Vee wanted to spend that pick on Tyler Brayton.

FringeNC
06-22-2007, 10:46 AM
The problem with trading LJ is that the acquiring team will still have to meet his contract demands -- in addition to giving up draft picks.

What team is going to do that?

Direckshun
06-22-2007, 10:54 AM
Carl tried to trade him.

But it didn't happen then, so it won't happen now.

jidar
06-22-2007, 11:13 AM
Holy shit, reading crap like this makes me appreciate our local writers a bit more.

If LJ sticks around he's just going to be here to block for Croyle? hahaha.. Jesus.

Hog Farmer
06-22-2007, 11:14 AM
Carl tried to trade him.

But it didn't happen then, so it won't happen now.

Carl never ever tried to trade LJ, that was just media bullshit!

Redrum_69
06-22-2007, 11:15 AM
Trade LJ..hes not a team playeer and shouldnt get LT money

Hes a punk

and he's from Penn State.

chagrin
06-22-2007, 11:19 AM
All I can say is that the Jamal thing, is garbage. Maybe he would have fallen short in stats regardless if he was injured but his injury was to Ligaments, they're just ligaments, they're there - in other words, over working them isn't the issue, he just planted awkwardly enough to tear them.

Mr. Laz
06-22-2007, 11:29 AM
The problem with trading LJ is that the acquiring team will still have to meet his contract demands -- in addition to giving up draft picks.

What team is going to do that?
it's happened before

Frankie
06-22-2007, 01:20 PM
I was kinda nodding along with this guy until the New Orleans bit. Then I realized he was a complete moron.
Nevertheless I fully agree with trading LJ NOW while he is a hot commodity. If we get top value for him, it would be worth trying to go with Bennett, Smith, Ross, (Priest?), etc. LJ has built a league-wide reputation on his awesome running. But I wouldn't put out any more tapes on his blocking and receiving by displaying him in the Chiefs uni for another year. His value is very likely to nose-dive after '07.

Reerun_KC
06-22-2007, 01:22 PM
I guess we could sweeten the pot and throw in LJ's personal cock holster GoChiefs?

That right there might make any deal a lock...

Count Alex's Losses
06-22-2007, 01:23 PM
Trade LJ..hes not a team playeer and shouldnt get LT money


Why do you think he's not a team player?

Reerun_KC
06-22-2007, 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Redrum_69
Trade Priest..hes not a team playeer and shouldnt get LT money

Fixed his post for you GoChiefs...

keg in kc
06-22-2007, 01:32 PM
Jason dosn't know the Chiefs...this article is pure opinion. He just looked at some stats and spouted off.Which pretty much makes it just like 2,800,000 other posts available for your viewing pleasure here. He just happens to get paid for it.

LOCOChief
06-22-2007, 01:52 PM
I guess we could sweeten the pot and throw in LJ's personal cock holster GoChiefs?

That right there might make any deal a lock...
ROFL :deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

milkman
06-22-2007, 10:33 PM
.Regardless of LJ's age in "calendar" years, in wear-and-tear from the college and in the pros he is still young.

If you buy a car and put 20,000 miles a year on it for 5 years, or you put only 2,000 a year on it for the first 3 years, then put 47,000 miles on it in each of the next 2 years, it's still got 100,000 miles on it.

milkman
06-22-2007, 10:39 PM
Holy shit, reading crap like this makes me appreciate our local writers a bit more.

If LJ sticks around he's just going to be here to block for Croyle? hahaha.. Jesus.

I don't think he's suggesting that LJ will be blocking for him when he says that LJ will only be "Elaborate protectin".

I think he means that LJ will be the focal point of the offense while Croyle learns and develops, taking the defensive pressure, and the pressure to perform, off Croyle.

Halfcan
06-22-2007, 10:39 PM
LJ is not going to be traded. He will get a long term deal. End of story.

Yep i think he retires a Chief!

Mecca
06-22-2007, 10:39 PM
It'll be cool when he's making a money to not do anything like Priest Holmes......it's nice no one see it will likely end the same way.....

As many carries as he has he'll be done long before the rest of these guys are ready.......he'll I wouldn't be surprised to see the decline this year in some regards.

Mecca
06-22-2007, 10:40 PM
Yep i think he retires a Chief!

To bad that will be in 3-4 years tops.....unless he goes Eddie George and hangs around when he isn't good anymore.

milkman
06-22-2007, 10:43 PM
To bad that will be in 3-4 years tops.....unless he goes Eddie George and hangs around when he isn't good anymore.

Eddie George was never "Good".

Most overrated RB of all time.

Mecca
06-22-2007, 10:44 PM
Eddie George was never "Good".

Most overrated RB of all time.

Well you know what I mean..........

It blows my mind that people want to give a RB a giant contract when odds are he'll be lucky to be a productive player for half of it.

Halfcan
06-22-2007, 10:45 PM
To bad that will be in 3-4 years tops.....unless he goes Eddie George and hangs around when he isn't good anymore.

I think he wants to be an all time RB too bad, for him to retire and steal the Chiefs money.

If he goes for 400 plus this year-that would be quit a feat!!

Mecca
06-22-2007, 10:46 PM
I'm sorry it's the history of the position.......not to mention RB is the easiest position to replace.

milkman
06-22-2007, 10:47 PM
If Carl isn't going to trade him, then he should only give him a contarct for 4 years, tops.

That way, when the decline does start, his contract won't be a cap buster when it gets dumped.

milkman
06-22-2007, 10:48 PM
.If he goes for 400 plus this year-that would be quit a feat!!

Quite a moronic feat, on his and Herman ****ing Edwards parts.

Mecca
06-22-2007, 10:48 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he starts to show signs of decline this year.......LJ himself would be a total dumbass to step on the field without a new deal because if any team sees that he'll never get paid.

Halfcan
06-22-2007, 10:56 PM
LJ ran like he wanted a new deal all last year. He had what-3 big runs. If it wasn't for the 416 carries he would not have broke 1000 yards.

Hopefully if we pay him he will get his balls back and start running over guys again instead of stepping out of bounds.

Mecca
06-22-2007, 11:03 PM
Thus shortening his career even more.......guys should be avoiding contact as much as possible.

Coach
06-22-2007, 11:04 PM
I was kinda nodding along with this guy until the New Orleans bit. Then I realized he was a complete moron.

Yeah. I was a bit surprised that the Houston Texans aren't on that list. I mean, I know they got Ah-I fumbled the ball away again-man! Green, but Green isn't good as he used to be for the Packers.

Plus, I'm sure the Texans are gonna go 6-10 or worse, which would make their pick a very most likely a top 15, and combine with our potentional 6-10 to 9-7 record.

Just throwing that out.

Halfcan
06-22-2007, 11:05 PM
LJ doesnt take a hit he gives them-well used to before he went NY rapper wanna be.

Mecca
06-22-2007, 11:06 PM
I enjoyed when Halfcan wasn't around...

Halfcan
06-22-2007, 11:09 PM
I enjoyed when Halfcan wasn't around...

I am always here.

Ultra Peanut
06-22-2007, 11:10 PM
OH BOY OH BOY

WE MUST TRADE GOOD PLAYER NOW

HE MAY BE BAD AT SOME INDETERMINATE POINT IN THE FUTURE

Halfcan
06-22-2007, 11:20 PM
lol yeah LJ might suck in five years-maybe we can get a 6th rounder for him so we can get younger.

Coach
06-22-2007, 11:32 PM
Oh hell, just trade him. Derrick Ross can play all 11 offensive positions at once anyways.

Mr. Laz
06-22-2007, 11:49 PM
lol yeah LJ might suck in five years-maybe we can get a 6th rounder for him so we can get younger.
you can't really be that short-sighted ..... can you?

Halfcan
06-22-2007, 11:53 PM
you can't really be that short-sighted ..... can you?

I was joking. LJ is our team-cough up the cash Carl.

Logical
06-22-2007, 11:58 PM
If Carl isn't going to trade him, then he should only give him a contarct for 4 years, tops.

That way, when the decline does start, his contract won't be a cap buster when it gets dumped.

Agreed

Halfcan
06-23-2007, 12:05 AM
6 years 90 mil-thats my guess

Frankie
06-23-2007, 12:44 AM
6 years 90 mil-thats my guess
Gee, I hope not. :shake:

Halfcan
06-23-2007, 12:46 AM
Gee, I hope not. :shake:

You are right-LJ can't feed his Grandma on that chump change.