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penguinz
06-23-2007, 08:02 AM
Who wins in this mythical fight and why?

pikesome
06-23-2007, 08:04 AM
Bruce Lee, when the shirts came off he was Superman. Ali might have been able to talk him to death though. :)

Reerun_KC
06-23-2007, 08:06 AM
Mr Lee hands down...

Ali was a pure boxer...

Mr Lee was a machine with speed and power that is still unmatched.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2007, 08:17 AM
Bruce Lee ........... easily, too many options in the fight compared to just boxing for Ali.

Silock
06-23-2007, 08:23 AM
Bruce Lee. The punches only hurt if they can land.

Bwana
06-23-2007, 08:26 AM
Not even close....Bruce. Lee was very good at ground fighting as well as having mastered his stand up technique. Lee was into MMA before MMA was cool………

KurtCobain
06-23-2007, 08:39 AM
I would win that fight.

Sure-Oz
06-23-2007, 08:41 AM
BL would dominate

Reerun_KC
06-23-2007, 08:49 AM
Chuck Norris....

Thread Closed!

FAX
06-23-2007, 08:51 AM
The Greatest Of All Times would let punk-boy Bruce Lee wear himself out with all of his weak-ass, slappy, china punches then he would knock his butt back to where he came from with one Hong Kong Gone.

FAX

L.A. Chieffan
06-23-2007, 09:15 AM
This thread reminded me of this scene.
57 second mark:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RqrKew1PZ10

Bowser
06-23-2007, 09:29 AM
This thread reminded me of this scene.
57 second mark:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RqrKew1PZ10

That movie is absolute money.


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ChiefJustice
06-23-2007, 11:20 AM
The Greatest Of All Times would let punk-boy Bruce Lee wear himself out with all of his weak-ass, slappy, china punches then he would knock his butt back to where he came from with one Hong Kong Gone.

FAX

Yeah.I am sure Ali could wear out Lee like a cheap rug.If anything,Bruce
Lee is known for his poor stamina and sloth like conditioning.:rolleyes:


http://webfantasy.info/Bruce_Lee/Images/Bruce_Lee_01.jpg


This fight is over before it begins.

FAX
06-23-2007, 11:45 AM
I'm guessing Bruce Lee would fight as a welterweight, Mr. ChiefJustice. As you probably know, The Greatest Of All Times was a heavyweight. Little man with skills vs big man with skills. Assuming that Lee couldn't kick with his little bitty china feet, with The Greatest Of All Times' reach, and dancin' abilities, he would out class, out smart, and out and out send Bruce Lee spiraling into the cheap seats with a single shot.

Now, go put that poster back on the ceiling over your bed where it belongs.

FAX

blueballs
06-23-2007, 11:48 AM
I would go with the Bruce Lee workout
that new diet drug is said to have some
adverse side effects -props for trying to better yourself

Halfcan
06-23-2007, 12:19 PM
Not even close....Bruce. Lee was very good at ground fighting as well as having mastered his stand up technique. Lee was into MMA before MMA was cool………

Yep Lee would submit him with an ankle lock.

Fishpicker
06-23-2007, 12:21 PM
Ali in his (1st) prime, would destroy Bruce with a 1-2. Bruce was 140 lbs. Bruce would have to whittle away at Ali while Ali only has to connect once.

Halfcan
06-23-2007, 12:37 PM
Ali in his (1st) prime, would destroy Bruce with a 1-2. Bruce was 140 lbs. Bruce would have to whittle away at Ali while Ali only has to connect once.

Lee was around 179 in his prime and was the baddest man in the world. Ali was great, but Lee would take him out with a choke or break his leg.

Fishpicker
06-23-2007, 12:43 PM
Lee was around 179 in his prime and was the baddest man in the world. Ali was great, but Lee would take him out with a choke or break his leg.

:shake: Lee was 5'7" , 140 lbs. A Bruce lee that weighed 180 lbs would be far from his prime.

FAX
06-23-2007, 12:44 PM
Lee was around 179 in his prime and was the baddest man in the world. Ali was great, but Lee would take him out with a choke or break his leg.

Are you completely certain that Lee was that big, Mr. Halfcan?

I thought he was around 150, or so. So I checked and, according to http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com, his weight in 1972 was 146. It seems to me that, adding 30 plus pounds would make him a fat little chinaman.

EDIT: Not to belabor the point but, I also found some wacky Dutch body building site that claims Lee never weighed more than 143, Mr. Halfcan.

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Fishpicker
06-23-2007, 12:55 PM
Jason Scott Lee (played Bruce in Dragon) was 180 lbs. is that what is confusing you Halfcan?

BWillie
06-23-2007, 12:57 PM
LOL, Bruce Lee would get his ass kicked. Ali is a heavyweight. I don't care if it's MMA vs Boxing it's not going to matter. I used to compete in amateur boxing when I as 18 and 19 and I know nothing about MMA. I sparred with my buddy who is 142 and big on MMA fighting and I had no problems winning in a MMA type spar match. I'm only 190 too. The weight issue would be much more for Bruce to overcome. If you take two fighters from different weight divisions it's not going to be close. Floyd Mayweather against a heavyweight he's going to get his ass knocked out in the second or third round.

Ali was 215-225 while Bruce is 140. I'm sure Bruce may give him some good shots, but all Ali would have to do is grab Bruce and hit him a couple times and that would pretty much be it.

stevieray
06-23-2007, 12:57 PM
Ali in his (1st) prime, would destroy Bruce with a 1-2. Bruce was 140 lbs. Bruce would have to whittle away at Ali while Ali only has to connect once.

Did you ever see BL agiant KAJ?

I'd bet that Lee prolly hit as hard as Ali, despite the weight difference.

BWillie
06-23-2007, 01:02 PM
Did you ever see BL agiant KAJ?

I'd bet that Lee prolly hit as hard as Ali, despite the weight difference.

You are crazy.

Fishpicker
06-23-2007, 01:03 PM
Did you ever see BL agiant KAJ?

I'd bet that Lee prolly hit as hard as Ali, despite the weight difference.

did you know KAJ was acting in that fight? did you see him bend over so Lee could reach his face? Bruce was struggling vs KAJ until he put his fingers through the paper wall. Neither KAJ nor Ali are actually photophobic so, I dont think Bruce would have any advantage other than being closer to the ground.

stevieray
06-23-2007, 01:03 PM
You are crazy.

I'm an artist, what's your excuse?

and if you think a smaller guy can't hang with people bigger, you are the one who is crazy..

stevieray
06-23-2007, 01:05 PM
did you know KAJ was acting in that fight? did you see him bend over so Lee could reach his face? Bruce was struggling vs KAJ until he put his fingers through the paper wall. Neither KAJ nor Ali are actually photophobic so, I dont think Bruce would have any advantage other than being closer to the ground.

he was acting? in a movie?

google the image...

Demonpenz
06-23-2007, 01:05 PM
I'm an artist, what's your excuse?

and if you think a smaller guy can't hang with people bigger, you are the one who is crazy..


Yeah people were lining up to fight lennox lewis.

FAX
06-23-2007, 01:07 PM
Bruce Lee's speed would be a factor in terms of measuring his punching power, Mr. stevieray. But, I would think that the most important factor in punching power is the mass behind the blow. I mean, you can hit a person in the head with a Q-tip really really fast. But, if you use a hammer?

In terms of power, Lee's punches would probably equate to The Greatest Of All Times using his left while off balance and no power coming from his hips or legs. Once The Greatest Of All Times connected with a well-balanced right to the jaw, the laws of physics indicate that Lee would be sent into outerspace.

FAX

stevieray
06-23-2007, 01:11 PM
Yeah people were lining up to fight lennox lewis.

and a smaller guy knocked his ass out.

that's boxing...you wanna jump in the ring with shane mosley?

Fishpicker
06-23-2007, 01:11 PM
I'm an artist, what's your excuse?

and if you think a smaller guy can't hang with people bigger, you are the one who is crazy..

you're right... a small guy can keep up with a bigger guy but, he has to compensate for the height/weight difference somehow. (generally speaking)

Bruce was very talented but, I dont think his athletic ability or talent exceeds that of the Greatest of all time.

stevieray
06-23-2007, 01:13 PM
Bruce Lee's speed would be a factor in terms of measuring his punching power, Mr. stevieray. But, I would think that the most important factor in punching power is the mass behind the blow. I mean, you can hit a person in the head with a Q-tip really really fast. But, if you use a hammer?

In terms of power, Lee's punches would probably equate to The Greatest Of All Times using his left while off balance and no power coming from his hips or legs. Once The Greatest Of All Times connected with a well-balanced right to the jaw, the laws of physics indicate that Lee would be sent into outerspace.


FAX

he'd have to connect first.

BWillie
06-23-2007, 01:16 PM
I'm an artist, what's your excuse?

and if you think a smaller guy can't hang with people bigger, you are the one who is crazy..

I'm not saying that. Bruce Lee had a great body, and good strength for a guy his size. But his size would be a huge hinderance. We are talking about 80 pounds is the difference in Ali and Lee. It just wouldn't happen. Do you really think the best 140 pound MMA or Martial Artist of this era could really beat up a 230 pound Tyson or Lennox Lewis in their prime? Really? Bruce Lee vs Ali is no different.

Reerun_KC
06-23-2007, 01:16 PM
Ali was greatest boxer ever....

Lee was the baddest man to ever live...


Who knows? 2 totally different styles of fighting... but I would but my money on Lee... A couple of leg kicks and Ali would start to weaken....

Demonpenz
06-23-2007, 01:18 PM
and a smaller guy knocked his ass out.

that's boxing...you wanna jump in the ring with shane mosley?


He sure wasn't trying to fight the heavy weights. If the little guys could even hang with the big ones they would be trying to fight them. The amount of money is a staggering difference between the weight classes.

Fishpicker
06-23-2007, 01:19 PM
I'm not saying that. Bruce Lee had a great body, and good strength for a guy his size. But his size would be a huge hinderance. We are talking about 80 pounds is the difference in Ali and Lee. It just wouldn't happen. Do you really think the best 140 pound MMA or Martial Artist of this era could really beat up a 230 pound Tyson or Lennox Lewis in their prime? Really? Bruce Lee vs Ali is no different.

I dont think the best 140 lb. MMA fighter could beat Tyson nowadays.

FAX
06-23-2007, 01:19 PM
Ali was greatest boxer ever....

Lee was the baddest man to ever live...


Who knows? 2 totally different styles of fighting... but I would but my money on Lee... A couple of leg kicks and Ali would start to weaken....

That's the thing, Mr. Reerun_KC. If we're talking about the sweet science, it's The Greatest Of All Times. If we're talking china man kicks to the ankles and nads, it's a different story.

FAX

stevieray
06-23-2007, 01:23 PM
He sure wasn't trying to fight the heavy weights. If the little guys could even hang with the big ones they would be trying to fight them. The amount of money is a staggering difference between the weight classes.

answer the question...

ali said that GF hit harder than anyone.

Who was the first to beat ali? a smaller guy named Joe Frazier.

Fishpicker
06-23-2007, 01:23 PM
Ali was greatest boxer ever....

Lee was the baddest man to ever live...


Who knows? 2 totally different styles of fighting... but I would but my money on Lee... A couple of leg kicks and Ali would start to weaken....

not neccesarily, Ali had an incredible pain threshold. He finished a fight with a broken Jaw. He won fights rope a doping. I dont think a charliehorse to the leg would slow Ali.

in any case, the counter to a leg kick is a right straight.

JBucc
06-23-2007, 01:24 PM
If you let Ali train in how to fight like Lee I think he'd have a chance to win even with all the crazy fast flips and kicks and chops. However you could let Lee train his whole life at boxing and he'd still have no shot in a boxing match with Ali. So it just depends on the situation.

FAX
06-23-2007, 01:29 PM
answer the question...

ali said that GF hit harder than anyone.

Who was the first to beat ali? a smaller guy named Joe Frazier.

It's a good debate, Mr. stevieray, but Frazier fought at or around 220 pounds. That's not small. He was shorter than The Greatest Of All Times though.

Anyway, in the fight you mention, The Greatest Of All Times was coming off a three-year pause in his career and Frazier was peaking. That was not The Greatest Of All Times in his prime.

FAX

Demonpenz
06-23-2007, 01:29 PM
answer the question...

ali said that GF hit harder than anyone.

Who was the first to beat ali? a smaller guy named Joe Frazier.


I don't want to step in the ring with anyone. Me's fighting days are over

Demonpenz
06-23-2007, 01:30 PM
I think if the smaller guys could hang with the big boys they would all be doing it. Bigger paycheck, and they have nothing to lose everything to gain. You don't see them do it though.

stevieray
06-23-2007, 01:42 PM
It's a good debate, Mr. stevieray, but Frazier fought at or around 220 pounds. That's not small. He was shorter than The Greatest Of All Times though.

Anyway, in the fight you mention, The Greatest Of All Times was coming off a three-year pause in his career and Frazier was peaking. That was not The Greatest Of All Times in his prime.

FAXmostly true..Ali fought Quarry and Bonavena as tune-ups, even though both were considered good fighters.. It was after the voctory over the latter that he challenged Frazier..

Joe was 27, ali 29..not that a big of difference in age., especially if Ali hadn't been fighting(body taking the punishment)

Groves
06-23-2007, 01:50 PM
Someone mentioned a hammer. I'll gladly take two 16oz hammers against some guy that weighs 2lbs more than me. Heck, he can weigh 3lbs more and I'll take a 16oz steak just to keep the weight "even".

Bowser
06-23-2007, 01:55 PM
Bruce was so fast and so strong for being 140 lbs.

I remember hearing an interview with James Coburn about how he got into martial arts before it was a trendy and faddish thing to do. He said he met Bruce Lee, told him he was interested in learning Bruce's particular style of the martial arts from his school in Cali, but told him pretty bluntly that he had his doubts about ma's and Bruce, because he was so small (Coburn was a pretty big fella, iirc. 6'4 or better). Coburn said Lee made a deal with him - if Bruce could not move him backwards by punching him in the chest with his fist from a distance of one inch, then Coburn was free to go and tell the world what a fraud Lee and his martial arts were. Coburn agreed. Bruce set up an inch away, punched Coburn, and Coburn flew backwards and over a chair, totally knocking the wind out of him. When he caught his breath, he looked up at Bruce and said "Well, let's get to work."

If Ali ever connected on Lee, he might well put him in a coma. I just don't think he'd ever catch him.

FAX
06-23-2007, 02:27 PM
I don't mean to hijack your thread, Mr. penguinz, but I thought you guys might be interested in this story. It comes from the site http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com and details an episode that took place in a casino before The Greatest Of All Times fought Sonny Liston for the championship. I just thought you guys would enjoy this.

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Liston was losing at the crap tables. As he rolled the dice, Clay appeared, yelling, “Look at the big ugly bear, he cant even shoot craps. He cant do nothing right.”

Liston was angry. He threw down the dice and walked up to Clay, “listen, you ****** faggot,” he said, “if you don’t get out of here in 10 seconds, I’m going to pull that big tongue out of your mouth and stick it up your ass.”

Later, Liston saw Clay on the casino floor again. He walked up to him and slapped his face.”

“What was than for?” Clay asked.

“Cause you’re too ****ing fresh….”

Liston said to his friend jack McKinney, “I got the punk’s heart now.”

In his interview with playboy, Clay admitted it was true. Liston had frightened him. “I ain’t gonna lie. That was the first time since I known Sonny Liston that he scared me. I just felt the power and the meanness of the man I was messing with.”

It was a miscalculation on Clay's part. He had picked the wrong battleground. Liston was from the streets, Clay was not. Intimidating people in casinos came easily to a man like Sonny. By contrast, Clay was an athlete. His natural arena was the ring. But he had achieved something; nonetheless, because Liston was becoming convinced Clay was crazy. After all, who, other than a lunatic would treat Sonny Liston in such a way?

FAX