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Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 12:29 PM
http://chiefs.scout.com/2/653840.html

One of the worst things you can do in any profession is burn the bridges you built when first breaking in to the job. While it might feel good for a fleeting moment or two, in the long run it will come back to haunt you in some way.

This doesn’t just apply to office workers and the average blue-collar American. It applies to professional athletes, too – even the high-dollar prima donnas in the NFL.

Most recently, it applies to defensive tackle Ryan Sims – currently of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, formerly of the Kansas City Chiefs, but apparently, a life-long member of the Sour Grapes Club.

In Thursday’s edition of Tampa’s Herald Tribune , Sims went off on Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards. He accused him of creating a negative atmosphere in Kansas City, and blew the lid off a shocking scandal in which he claims 28 Chiefs’ veterans requested trades out of Kansas City last season.

This is nothing new. If you’ve been paying attention, Sims has been doing this since the middle of last season. The Kansas City Star featured Sims as part of a November article in which the defensive tackle complained about being relegated to backup status. He blamed Edwards for not giving him a chance and basically playing favorites between Sims and the new defensive tackles the team signed that offseason (James Reed and Ron Edwards).

That led to his eventual exodus from Kansas City and arrival in Tampa Bay, where his first action was to – you guessed it – rip the Chiefs.

Last month, on Tampa Bay’s website, Sims basically accused the Chiefs of not investing in the defense, stating that Tampa Bay was his dream location and paradise on earth for NFL defensive lineman. He reiterated his comments about being KC’s black sheep.

It’s not difficult to understand why Sims is taking the low road with all of this. Before Edwards arrived in Kansas City, Sims was guaranteed a starting spot. That all changed when the Chiefs signed Reed and Edwards.

By dumping Sims down the depth chart, the Chiefs essentially made him a second-class NFL citizen, which is where he is right now in Tampa Bay. The Tribune classified his current plight with the Buccaneers as “fighting for a roster spot.”

Now, I don’t have to tell Chiefs fans about how absurd Sims’ comments are. Everyone knows two of Herm’s favorite catchphrases are “It’s okay” and “We’re fine.” For a team apparently playing under the cruel whip of such spirit-destroying overlords, the Chiefs’ defense fought to the last man against Peyton Manning and the Colts in the playoffs last season.

And clearly, 28 players seeking a trade is ridiculous. Sims claimed that “every starter” was trying to get out of Kansas City. Does that include the players Edwards brought into the organization? How could it possibly include the 11 defensive starters – including leftovers from the Dick Vermeil era – that enjoyed KC’s best defensive season in almost a decade?

How about the 11 offensive starters? Why would aging veterans like Will Shields, Casey Wiegmann, Trent Green and Eddie Kennison want to uproot their lives in Kansas City just to play a season or two more somewhere else?

Tony Gonzalez might be KC’s highest-profile citizen and has stated numerous times he wants to finish his career as a Chief. Are we supposed to believe he confessed his true desires in a late-night gossip session with Sims and all the other disgruntled Chiefs? I’m looking forward to a potential book authored by Sims on this subject, because I do enjoy a good work of fiction.

But Sims’ latest rant goes beyond absurdity. In fact, he’s delving into hypocrisy.

During his last training camp as a Chief, Sims had a private conversation with Edwards concerning his future and role on the team. How did he characterize the meeting?

“I thought it was a very positive conversation,” Sims said in the Star. “I had some fundamental questions.”

“Herm is going to tell you what he feels and how he feels about you,” Sims continued. “I really appreciate that, and I’m glad he’s the type of guy I feel like I can talk to in front of the media or behind closed doors.”

Do those quotes sound like Sims thought a negative atmosphere was being fostered in training camp last season?

Now let’s take it one step further, and look at this conversation from Herm’s side of the table. Clearly, if he was such a negative man, he’d have something nasty to say about Sims, right? Here’s a quote from an article that appeared on Warpaint Illustrated’s website last August:

“We had a good talk before the spring ended,” Edwards said. “We were talking about what I expected out of him and how we were going to get it done. He’s done a great job of playing. He’s competing and is playing up to his talent level consistently.”

Does that sound like a negative person?

Now let’s take a look at what Edwards had to say when an injury to James Reed forced Sims onto the field. Keep in mind this quote appeared in the same Star article wherein Sims complained about his status in Kansas City.

“He’s been solid,” said Edwards. “I think he’s becoming better the more he plays.”

Negative? If anyone was negative at the time, it was Sims, throwing a pity party for one.

Clearly, Cryin’ Sims is as two-faced as they come in this business. One wonders what he might say when the Chiefs face the Buccaneers next season (Kansas City last played the NFC South in 2004, which would make for a possible Chiefs-Bucs matchup in 2008).

One thing is certain: Should he become the next great defensive tackle as a Tampa Bay Buccaneer and enjoy a Hall of Fame career, Edwards won’t be the one introducing him in Canton.

mlyonsd
06-23-2007, 12:31 PM
If anything the Chiefs gave Sims more than enough chances.

Good riddance.

Halfcan
06-23-2007, 12:34 PM
LOL Simms is such a crybaby!

Baconeater
06-23-2007, 12:38 PM
One wonders what he might say when the Chiefs face the Buccaneers next season (Kansas City last played the NFC South in 2004, which would make for a possible Chiefs-Bucs matchup in 2008).
:spock: Possible? We'll play the entire division.

Anyway, I don't see why he should worry about burning bridges, I couldn't imagine a scenario where he would come back to KC, and thank God for that.

Reerun_KC
06-23-2007, 12:38 PM
REPOST?

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 12:41 PM
:spock: Possible? We'll play the entire division.

Heh, that's my bad. I got to thinking there was another team in that division. Anyway, should be interesting.

StcChief
06-23-2007, 12:43 PM
Have a great year Ryan. We want a better draft pick...

then break a leg... what comes around goes around.

B_Ambuehl
06-23-2007, 01:37 PM
He's not lieing about a lot of veterans being less than happy though. Even Trent Green said they are basically bringing these young guys in because they are naivete and don't know any better.

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 03:48 PM
Even Trent Green said they are basically bringing these young guys in because they are naivete and don't know any better.

Nevermind that Trent was full of shit...

morphius
06-23-2007, 04:24 PM
Bringing in Shields and Trent was kind of stupid, being that one retired talking about "3 yards and the cloud of dust" and the other basically begged to be traded. I honestly doubt you are going to find many starters on the O side of the ball from the DV years that are really excited about things right now.

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 06:42 PM
Bringing in Shields and Trent was kind of stupid, being that one retired talking about "3 yards and the cloud of dust" and the other basically begged to be traded..

Neither of those guys were requesting a trade during the season. That's absurd.

DaFace
06-23-2007, 06:50 PM
Sims' comments just don't make sense, and that's about all there is to it. Herm's reputation is that players LIKE him and want to PLAY HARD for him. That makes him a decent coach even when he has weaknesses in other areas. He may have made Sims work for his job for the first time in his pro career, but there's no way that he created a "negative" atmosphere.

Mecca
06-23-2007, 06:51 PM
Sims is simply trying to look good for fans down in Tampa....it's pretty easy to go "hey it was their fault not mine" plenty of guys do it.

It's not burning a bridge either because he's never coming back here.

Al Bundy
06-23-2007, 08:08 PM
GoChiefs getting ripped on the Bucs board... (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=142533)

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 08:10 PM
GoChiefs getting ripped on the Bucs board... (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=142533)

Heh heh, yeah. They didn't take too kindly to the article and started ripping myself and the Chiefs for a bunch of peripheral issues.

88TG88
06-23-2007, 08:14 PM
GoChiefs getting ripped on the Bucs board... (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=142533)
That board is an eyesore. The format is hideous and their banners are trash.

Bwana
06-23-2007, 08:18 PM
Sims = A big fat chunk of donut eating goo that will be a flash in the pan in Tampa, moving crack on the streets in two years and in jail within 5.

Hey Sims: **** You you lazy piece of crap.

Mecca
06-23-2007, 08:19 PM
Quick tip......don't go to a Bucs board and pimp the Chiefs defense as being on par.....

That is a horribly bad idea.

Al Bundy
06-23-2007, 08:22 PM
Mecca indeed it is...

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 08:25 PM
Quick tip......don't go to a Bucs board and pimp the Chiefs defense as being on par.....

That is a horribly bad idea.

I wasn't really doing that. Their defense sucked last year anyway, and their defensive "tradition" is laughable compared to KC's.

Mecca
06-23-2007, 08:29 PM
It's not when you factor in the majority of the fans are probably in their 20's and always remember Tampa as having a good defense and KC as sucking.....that's how it's been for the better part of a decade now.

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 08:30 PM
It's not when you factor in the majority of the fans are probably in their 20's and always remember Tampa as having a good defense and KC as sucking.....

So basically they are ignorant.

Deberg_1990
06-23-2007, 08:55 PM
He's not lieing about a lot of veterans being less than happy though. Even Trent Green said they are basically bringing these young guys in because they are naivete and don't know any better.


What veterans are you talking about?? Sims, Hicks, Wesley, Black, Warfield???


We are talking about a bunch of vets who never accomplished one damn thing as a team and were over-coddled by DV who never admitted they ever did anything wrong.

I see no problem with bringing in young kids to take their jobs. Good riddance.

Al Bundy
06-23-2007, 09:22 PM
I wasn't really doing that. Their defense sucked last year anyway, and their defensive "tradition" is laughable compared to KC's.
GoChiefs.. the Chiefs/Bucs mirrored themselves organizationally through the last part of the 70's (Remember the Bucs beating the Chiefs to clinch the division in 79) and through most of the 80's. The Chiefs pulled ahead in 1990, and the Bucs caught and passed them in 97 or 98. If they had any sort of offense they would have won 2 superbowls since the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game. But I digress, I am also a Chiefs fan so I won't go after them.

Al Bundy
06-23-2007, 09:24 PM
It's not when you factor in the majority of the fans are probably in their 20's and always remember Tampa as having a good defense and KC as sucking.....that's how it's been for the better part of a decade now.
Actually.. most of the people that post over at that board are in their 30's through 50's and remember the awful teams we had.. and the horse**** ownership that Culverhouse was.

nomad
06-23-2007, 09:46 PM
28 vets... can't be true.

Sims can't count that high.

unothadeal
06-23-2007, 09:47 PM
Although I think it was a little rude of you to post that on a Bucs board, there is no way they can disagree with the article. You backed it up with quotes and proved your point well. Good article IMO

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 09:53 PM
GoChiefs.. the Chiefs/Bucs mirrored themselves organizationally through the last part of the 70's (Remember the Bucs beating the Chiefs to clinch the division in 79) and through most of the 80's. The Chiefs pulled ahead in 1990, and the Bucs caught and passed them in 97 or 98. If they had any sort of offense they would have won 2 superbowls since the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game. But I digress, I am also a Chiefs fan so I won't go after them.

Tampa Bay has had 13 top 10 defenses in their ENTIRE franchise history. TEN of those came only most recently.

The Chiefs have had 21.

KC defensive tradition > TB's.

Al Bundy
06-23-2007, 10:00 PM
Tampa Bay has had 13 top 10 defenses in their ENTIRE franchise history. TEN of those came only most recently.

The Chiefs have had 21.

KC defensive tradition > TB's.
How many more years have the Chiefs been around, and I will go out on a limb and say 2 things. The Chiefs for the most part had better ownership AND the NFL screwed the Bucs and Seahawks when they brought them into the league. Also.. no real Bucs fan is overly excited about Sims. I doubt he makes it through the 1st or 2nd round of camp cuts.

Count Zarth
06-23-2007, 10:01 PM
How many more years have the Chiefs been around

Doesn't matter. The Bucs "tradition" was was forged in the last ten years. KC's was forged 40 years ago.

Mecca
06-23-2007, 10:13 PM
I guess they can atleast say they saw a Superbowl that's more than I got.

BucEyedPea
06-23-2007, 10:18 PM
The Bitter Buc? :hmmm:

Al Bundy
06-23-2007, 10:55 PM
Doesn't matter. The Bucs "tradition" was was forged in the last ten years. KC's was forged 40 years ago.
Yes.. that is when they won their loan superbowl you are correct. But for many many years they were just as down as the Bucs. One thing that the Chiefs have and will always have on the Bucs is the home field advantage. I don't ever pull out the stupid "At least my team has won the superbowl since your team won a playoff game". However over the past 10 years the Bucs have been more successful.

B_Ambuehl
06-24-2007, 02:03 PM
He's not lieing about a lot of veterans being less than happy though. Even Trent Green said they are basically bringing these young guys in because they are naivete and don't know any better.
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What veterans are you talking about?? Sims, Hicks, Wesley, Black, Warfield???


We are talking about a bunch of vets who never accomplished one damn thing as a team and were over-coddled by DV who never admitted they ever did anything wrong.

I see no problem with bringing in young kids to take their jobs. Good riddance.

I don't know what vets he's talking about and I don't disagree that it would be better to get rid of many of them, but the fact is the article seems to imply that Sims was making up things when he said that there were a lot of vets that were unhappy in K.C. and wanted out - Yet Trent got on the radio and basically said the exact same thing. He said he and many other vets were unhappy with the offense and lack of communication and that they were bringing in young guys who were too naivete to question anything.

KC Tattoo
06-24-2007, 02:29 PM
Ryan Simms can Buc OFF!!!

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 02:33 PM
Yes.. that is when they won their loan superbowl you are correct. But for many many years they were just as down as the Bucs.
"Many many years" > "the majority of the time they've been a team."

Guess which one's KC, and guess which one's TB.

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 02:34 PM
The Bitter Buc? :hmmm:
You, obviously, Professor.

BigRock
06-24-2007, 02:38 PM
Clearly, Cryin’ Sims is as two-faced as they come in this business.
Wouldn't "Cryin' Ryan" have worked better? 'Cause, you know, it rhymes and all. Rhyming is fun.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 02:43 PM
Wouldn't "Cryin' Ryan" have worked better? 'Cause, you know, it rhymes and all. Rhyming is fun.

Cryin' sounds like Ryan. It's my "TrINT." I'm breaking new ground here.

ENDelt260
06-24-2007, 03:05 PM
Whenever I hear Cryin' Ryan, it's immediately followed by Leaf.

Deberg_1990
06-24-2007, 03:28 PM
Yet Trent got on the radio and basically said the exact same thing. He said he and many other vets were unhappy with the offense and lack of communication and that they were bringing in young guys who were too naivete to question anything.

Its just sour grapes. All vets do this to some extent.

Trent never accomplished anything in KC either except a few flashy stats.

Ugly Duck
06-24-2007, 04:14 PM
28 Chiefs’ veterans requested trades out of Kansas City last season - every starter was trying to get out of Kansas CityWutta buncha crybaby wimps! you fanz should petition to have every starter thrown off the team for being a bunch of sissy babies!

htismaqe
06-24-2007, 07:38 PM
I don't know what vets he's talking about and I don't disagree that it would be better to get rid of many of them, but the fact is the article seems to imply that Sims was making up things when he said that there were a lot of vets that were unhappy in K.C. and wanted out - Yet Trent got on the radio and basically said the exact same thing. He said he and many other vets were unhappy with the offense and lack of communication and that they were bringing in young guys who were too naivete to question anything.

Except for the fact that Sims didn't say "a lot of vets were unhappy".

He said "28 vets requested trades" which is flat-out FALSE.

There aren't even 28 Vermeil era vets still on the team.

Baconeater
06-24-2007, 07:43 PM
Whenever I hear Cryin' Ryan, it's immediately followed by Leaf.
Nah, he's Cryin' Thief. Nevertheless, GoChiefs isn't breaking any new ground.

FAX
06-24-2007, 07:45 PM
Actually the fact that there aren't 28 DV veterans still on the roster is kind of amazing to me.

Let's count 'em. I'll start.

1. Tony G.
2. Waters
3. Kennison
4. LJ (does he count as a vet?)
5. Jared Allen
6. Jason Dunn
7. Colquitt
8. Boomer
9. DJ
10. First Down Samie
11. Sapp??
12. Wiegmann
13. Wilson

Who else?

FAX

Logical
06-24-2007, 07:54 PM
Except for the fact that Sims didn't say "a lot of vets were unhappy".

He said "28 vets requested trades" which is flat-out FALSE.

There aren't even 28 Vermeil era vets still on the team.Well since people are being picky, I did not see him limit his statement to DV era veterans.

Logical
06-24-2007, 08:05 PM
By the way Clayton do you have the link to the article where Sims says 28 starters?

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 08:05 PM
Well since people are being picky, I did not see him limit his statement to DV era veterans.

So the veterans that Herm signed last offseason immediately wanted to be traded? Yeah that makes sense.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 08:06 PM
By the way Clayton do you have the link to the article where Sims says 28 starters?

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20070621/SPORTS/706210801/-1/RSS06

"Some coaches just believe the more negative you are ... You don't have a team of 28 guys trying to get traded for nothing," Sims said. "Every starter there is trying to get out of there. ... Look at it. Ask (quarterback) Trent Green (traded to the Miami Dolphins) about it.

Logical
06-24-2007, 08:07 PM
So the veterans that Herm signed last offseason immediately wanted to be traded? Yeah that makes sense.I am simply pointing out you are doing a bad journalistic job by putting words in his mouth he did not say.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 08:09 PM
I am simply pointing out you are doing a bad journalistic job by putting words in his mouth he did not say.

Uh...I fail to see how I am doing that.

Logical
06-24-2007, 08:12 PM
Uh...I fail to see how I am doing that.

Did Sims say those exact words, if not you have no journalistic integrity when you make it sound as if he did.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 08:13 PM
Did Sims say those exact words, if not you have no journalistic integrity when you make it sound as if he did.

Please quote the passage you are referring to.

gblowfish
06-24-2007, 10:07 PM
I just added Donut Boy to my Chiefs Hall of Shame:
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefspage6.html

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 10:12 PM
I just added Donut Boy to my Chiefs Hall of Shame:
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefspage6.html

Out friggin' standing.

Guru
06-24-2007, 10:17 PM
I love this quote....
http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showpost.php?p=2713894&postcount=4

Yeah, this article is written as if Sims insulted the aurthor's momma on his way out of town. Someone should remind 'C.E. Wendler' that he/she is a lowly, expendable Chiefs employee, not Herm Edwards' wife.


At least, not as far as I know, anyway.

They must lurk here.

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 10:17 PM
I just added Donut Boy to my Chiefs Hall of Shame:
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefspage6.html
Rep.

Pitt Gorilla
06-24-2007, 10:30 PM
I'll bet some vets were upset. They knew they would start under DV. Herm makes every position a competition. Wouldn't you like it better if you could sit back knowing that your job was safe? Now, were 28 vets requesting trades? Probably not.

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 10:32 PM
I honestly read it as a hyperbole. No way Sims specifically knows the number 28 off the top of his head.

I just read it as saying "you ever wonder why practically everybody on that team wants off!?" type thing.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 10:45 PM
I honestly read it as a hyperbole. No way Sims specifically knows the number 28 off the top of his head.

I just read it as saying "you ever wonder why practically everybody on that team wants off!?" type thing.

Break it down. Look at the starters from last season.

Trent Green - no.
Larry Johnson - maybe.
Kris Wilson - no.
Eddie Kennison - maybe.
Samie Parker - no.
Tony Gonzalez - maybe, but he had just signed a new contract.
Jordan Black - no.
Brian Waters - maybe.
Casey Wiegmann - no.
Will Shields - no.
Kyle Turley - no.

And you can rule out the entire defense.

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 10:51 PM
It doesn't really surprise me that he felt that way, though. He lacked a lot of heart at a position that requires it (the guys replacing him, with the exception of Tank sometimes, are all passion-fueled guys -- especially Reed, Turk, and Wilkerson), and he felt a lot of scorn in this city for never panning out.

I don't blame him for feeling the way he does, but he's brought a lot of it on himself, and now he's just slamming KC because it's really the only thing he's got the power to do.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 10:52 PM
I don't blame him for feeling the way he does, but he's brought a lot of it on himself, and now he's just slamming KC because it's really the only thing he's got the power to do.

With all the deadweight we cut this offseason I might be able to do a weekly "Ex-Chief Update" during the regular season. Hicks, Knight, Green, Sims, Black, Kawika....

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 10:54 PM
With all the deadweight we cut this offseason I might be able to do a weekly "Ex-Chief Update" during the regular season. Hicks, Knight, Green, Sims, Black, Kawika....
ABSOLUTELY.

I don't know about other folks, but I'm a huuuuge fan of The Road Not Traveled. I love hearing about what could have been to see if we made the right choice in retrospect.

I really like that idea.

Edit: For example, I've been keeping tabs on DT Kris Jenkins, who we failed to trade for (he's shown up dramatically overweight to OTAs in Carolina) and WR Robert Meachum, who we passed up for Bowe (he's shown up overweight as well and recently received a minor injury that may not heal until the preseason).

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 10:56 PM
ABSOLUTELY.

I don't know about other folks, but I'm a huuuuge fan of The Road Not Traveled. I love hearing about what could have been to see if we made the right choice in retrospect.

I really like that idea.

Plus, slamming Ryan Sims every week is the gift that keeps on giving. :D

God bless ten yard torrents.

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 11:00 PM
Plus, slamming Ryan Sims every week is the gift that keeps on giving. :D

God bless ten yard torrents.
Thing is, I honestly think we got the better deal in all of the deals we executed (and the deals we didn't execute) this offseason, so I think we'll finally experience a season where keeping up with the could-have-beens will be a vastly rewarding exercise.

I expect the only former Chief that'll experience a degree of success this season will be Trent. Kawika might come close on a stat-friendly weakside assignment in New York, but he'll be out of position.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 11:01 PM
I expect the only former Chief that'll experience a degree of success this season will be Trent. Kawika might come close on a stat-friendly weakside assignment in New York, but he'll be out of position.

Last I saw Kawika was playing the strongside in New York. Trent is going to crash and burn.

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 11:01 PM
With all the deadweight we cut this offseason I might be able to do a weekly "Ex-Chief Update" during the regular season. Hicks, Knight, Green, Sims, Black, Kawika....
Not that you would, but don't forget Tynes.

Count Zarth
06-24-2007, 11:03 PM
Not that you would, but don't forget Tynes.

Oh yeah! Righteous anger, weekly.

Direckshun
06-24-2007, 11:03 PM
Last I saw Kawika was playing the strongside in New York. Trent is going to crash and burn.
He should be a true MLB on a team that allows the MLB to crash the LOS and create havok near the QB. That's simply not going to work out, having him cover TEs all day. I'm sad we don't get to play New York this year, Tony G would school the shit out of Kawika.

I desperately hope Trent holds up. Just make it to 70% and I'm happy.

I'm afraid that team's going to crumble around him and they'll bench him after 8 weeks. How much you want to bet he complains about weighted competitions then?