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redbrian
06-28-2007, 08:52 PM
Is it a good thing and a step forward to common sense and a movement away from illogical social engineering based solely on artificially created categories based on what the government believes race is?

Or is it a step back to the 50ís and all that is wrong with America.

Cochise
06-28-2007, 09:02 PM
I'm not sure why it's OK in higher education to consider race as an admission criteria but not in elementary or secondary. Other than that, I think this is a step in the right direction.

redbrian
06-28-2007, 09:04 PM
I'm not sure why it's OK in higher education to consider race as an admission criteria but not in elementary or secondary. Other than that, I think this is a step in the right direction.

Why should race be used at all?

Cochise
06-28-2007, 09:06 PM
Why should race be used at all?

I don't think it should be. But the court just ruled in the past 5 years that colleges could do this. I'm not a legal expert, but that's what I remember.

But no, I don't think the best way to achieve understanding and harmony between races is to use race as a criteria to divide people and choose one over another.

redbrian
06-28-2007, 09:11 PM
I don't think it should be. But the court just ruled in the past 5 years that colleges could do this. I'm not a legal expert, but that's what I remember.

But no, I don't think the best way to achieve understanding and harmony between races is to use race as a criteria to divide people and choose one over another.

Without a doubt race is one of, if not the worst means of categorizing people.

What the hell is race anyway, itís an artificial category created by bureaucrats

Social economic categories would be a much better means of grouping people.

Pitt Gorilla
06-28-2007, 09:24 PM
Without a doubt race is one of, if not the worst means of categorizing people.

What the hell is race anyway, itís an artificial category created by bureaucrats

Social economic categories would be a much better means of grouping people.What the hell are social economic categories anyway, they're artificial categories created by bureaucrats.

pikesome
06-28-2007, 09:27 PM
What the hell are social economic categories anyway, they're artificial categories created by bureaucrats.

They have more of a bearing than race. Take a tribesman from Kenya and move his family to Kansas, wait a generation and they'll be way different. Poor is very similar everywhere, differs mostly in degree.

redbrian
06-28-2007, 09:35 PM
What the hell are social economic categories anyway, they're artificial categories created by bureaucrats.

Not really, itís based more on money, social values and geographic local.

It can be quantified very easily statistically where as race in todayís world is becoming impossible to quantify.

For example what the heck ďraceĒ is Tiger Woods kid, for that matter what race is Tiger Wood.

How much of genetic matter does it take to be a ďraceĒ category?

And what does race tell you of that person, not one damn thing.

Where as a social economic category can tell you volumes.

redbrian
06-28-2007, 09:39 PM
They have more of a bearing than race. Take a tribesman from Kenya and move his family to Kansas, wait a generation and they'll be way different. Poor is very similar everywhere, differs mostly in degree.

Exactly should Bill Gates kids (if he has any) be categorized with a kid growing up in the Appalachian Mountains, just because they have the same skin pigment and possibly the same genetic ancestries?

pikesome
06-28-2007, 09:49 PM
Exactly should Bill Gates kids (if he has any) be categorized with a kid growing up in the Appalachian Mountains, just because they have the same skin pigment and possibly the same genetic ancestries?

Bill might be Satan's spawn so I'd worry about his kids. But in general terms? No.

FD
06-29-2007, 08:56 AM
14th amendment says you cant discriminate based on race. This ruling is common sense.

Stinger
06-29-2007, 10:15 AM
Why should race be used at all?

"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race," said the Chief Justice John Roberts in his opinion.

I thought this line in the Majority opinion summed it up pretty well. They are using race discrimination to try to stop race descrimination???

jAZ
06-29-2007, 10:47 AM
Without a doubt race is one of, if not the worst means of categorizing people.

What the hell is race anyway, itís an artificial category created by bureaucrats

Social economic categories would be a much better means of grouping people.
How many discussions have we had on this board where people say something like "black people ARE more likely to be criminals".

I've said repeatedly here and offline that if you substitute the word "poor" for the word "black"... you take out the element of race and generally address the same issue.

Whether that's solving a problem or bitching about behavior.

jAZ
06-29-2007, 11:00 AM
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race," said the Chief Justice John Roberts in his opinion.

I thought this line in the Majority opinion summed it up pretty well. They are using race discrimination to try to stop race descrimination???
Let's be reasonable here.

Race discrimination created all kinds of mostly intended consequences that are generational.

You can't immediately remove the issue of race from the table, but over time it can be taken off and substituted for things like "poor".

That's like this...

You are in a car taking your pregnant wife to the hospital and you are driving 50mph in a 40 zone to get there NOW. A cop drops in behind you lights flashing because you are speeding.

You can't get the cop to stop worrying about the stupid 10mph and address the REAL issue of a baby about to pop out... without first addressing the lingering issue that set off the cop in the first place. Speeding.

Once you slow down, pull over and explain things, he'll give you an escort at 60mph to the hospital, but first you gotta get things square in the cops mind.

mlyonsd
06-29-2007, 06:13 PM
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race," said the Chief Justice John Roberts in his opinion.

I thought this line in the Majority opinion summed it up pretty well. They are using race discrimination to try to stop race descrimination???

IMO Roberts is exactly right. There are other remedies to solve the problem.