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StcChief
06-30-2007, 10:03 PM
Seems analyst feel what I've though all along.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070630/ap_on_an/iraq_no_win

WASHINGTON - The harder President Bush has pushed to win in Iraq, the closer he has come to losing.
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The question no longer is whether the U.S. military can fully stabilize Iraq. It cannot.

That was a possibility four years ago, immediately after Saddam Hussein's government fell. Before the insurgency took hold. Before U.S. occupation authorities lost any chance to avoid the sectarian strife of today's Iraq.

Now only the Iraqis can save Iraq.

They need the U.S. military's help, no doubt. But the Bush administration has made no secret of the fact that the U.S. troop buildup in Baghdad is simply buying time for the Iraqis to sort out their differences, create a government of national unity and show they can defend themselves.

So it is not whether the U.S. can win the war. It is whether the Iraqis can, which is in great doubt.

With limited sign of progress in Baghdad, U.S. officials are asking themselves how long it makes sense to tolerate an escalating rate of U.S. casualties at least 3,576 dead since the war began in March 2003 while the Iraqis debate and delay.

In a speech Thursday, Bush struck a notably optimistic tone about his strategy and gave no indication he was ready to give up or change approach. Yet he lowered the bar on expectations and cited Israel as a model for defining success in Iraq: a functioning democracy that nonetheless absorbs terrorist attacks.

Among the questions central to the debate in Washington over winding up the conflict without widening it are:

_How much worse might things get if U.S. troops left and the sectarian killing escalated?

_Would Turkey, Iran or other neighboring states intervene militarily?

_Would the al-Qaida terrorist organization inside Iraq secure a lasting haven from which it could launch attacks across the region? "Lighting the Middle East on fire," is how one Pentagon insider sees that outcome.

While there is no clear way out, there remains a reasonable basis for hope of escaping a collapse of the war effort.

It still is possible that the troop buildup, under way since January, will reduce sectarian violence in Baghdad enough to create the maneuvering room that Iraqi leaders need to make critical political progress.

According to Frederick Kagan, an American Enterprise Institute analyst who recently visited Baghdad and is a leading supporter of the current strategy, the truly decisive phase of the current campaign will begin in late July or early August. He predicts that phase will bring much lower levels of violence by year's end.

The trends so far, however, are not encouraging and the political tides are not favorable, either in Washington or Baghdad.

Just this past week a leading Republican voice on foreign affairs, Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, broke ranks with Bush. Lugar said he had reached the conclusion that sticking with the current strategy will not serve U.S. security interests.

He also said it is almost impossible to establish a stable government in Baghdad in a reasonable time.

Other prominent Republicans, such as Sen. John Warner of Virginia, have indicated their patience is running out.

Time, indeed, seems to be working against Bush in the political arena and on the battlefield.

The longer that U.S. forces fight, the more creative and deadly the insurgents become, the farther U.S. public support erodes and the more remote seem the chances that when troops finally leave, the outcome will look like victory.

The risk is that it may resemble defeat.

One more worry is the wear and tear on the Army and Marine Corps. The services were straining to keep up a staggering pace of troop rotations even before Bush decided to send thousands more into and around Baghdad and before the Pentagon decided that rotations would be extended from 12 months already viewed by many as too long to 15 months.

That is why, if Bush concludes in the months ahead that his strategy for securing Baghdad is not working fast enough, he may feel compelled to find a different approach, perhaps reducing the U.S. combat role without abandoning Iraq. He has hinted at such a transition possibly coming next year.

That could explain why Bush and other administration officials recently have cited South Korea as a possible model for the long-term U.S. military role in Iraq. The idea would be to work out an agreement with the Iraqi government to keep at least a tripwire U.S. force there to train with Iraqi troops and to act as a deterrent.

The point is that instead of completely abandoning Iraq, as the U.S. did in Vietnam in the 1970s, the U.S. would maintain a presence large enough to protect its broader interests in the Persian Gulf region.

Logical
06-30-2007, 10:22 PM
Why does the author hate America?ROFL

StcChief
06-30-2007, 11:32 PM
Why does the author hate America?ROFL
he's a journalist working for liberal rag. :shrug: just doing what he's told

el borracho
06-30-2007, 11:39 PM
It will take generations to truly stabilize that dump. A good first step would be education and a good second step would be raising the standard of living. Typically, well-educated people who are content with their earnings are less likely to strap a bomb on their chest.

Logical
06-30-2007, 11:43 PM
he's a journalist working for liberal rag. :shrug: just doing what he's told

I was being sarcastic, sorry it did not come through.

Eric
06-30-2007, 11:46 PM
You need to put in another HUSSEIN type to control that country.

Anyone want to argue that.

the people there are way more violent than anywhere else. There needs to be a total military controls of that country. We have to emulate the only successful leader there- Hussein.

*Get rid of the free press there also. Don't let the fuggin evil clerics broadcast their crap.

*Install a 'mandatory' draft of all available men. Put them in re-education camps & swear allegiance to the country and leaders and not to religous idiots.

*Make ID cards standard. No weird groups getting free travel in the country.

*Kill all the evil Clerics or threaten their families just like Hussein did.(dude with the black turban-Al sadr-whatever)

*Install a charismatic president that wins over the people.

Can any of this be done? Probably not with 60minutes crying cruelty by america's newly installed gov.

Turkey should be the role model. A moderate country with rules in its constitution that if religous people win parliament then the military will take over. Strong separation of Church and State.

I agree with the article. It's up to Iraqis and strong leadership to bring their country together.

Logical
06-30-2007, 11:48 PM
You need to put in another HUSSEIN type to control that country.

Anyone want to argue that.

the people there are way more violent than anywhere else. There needs to be a total military controls of that country. We can't do it like Hussein did.

Get rid of the free press there also. Don't let the fuggin evil clerics broadcast their crap.

Install a 'mandatory' draft of all available men. Put them in re-education camps & swear allegiance to the country and leaders and not to religous idiots.

Make ID cards standard. No weird groups getting free travel in the country.

Kill all the evil Clerics or threaten their families just like Hussein did.(dude with the black turban-Al sadr-whatever)

Install a charismatic president that wins over the people.

Can any of this be done? Probably not with 60minutes crying cruelty by america's newly installed gov.

Turkey should be the role model. A moderate country with rules in its constitution that if religous people win parliament then the military will take over. Strong separation of Church and State.

You can't win.

Oh lords save us from ourselves if this is the way we have to succeed.

el borracho
06-30-2007, 11:50 PM
You need to put in another HUSSEIN type to control that country.

Anyone want to argue that.

the people there are way more violent than anywhere else. There needs to be a total military controls of that country. We can't do it like Hussein did.

*Get rid of the free press there also. Don't let the fuggin evil clerics broadcast their crap.

*Install a 'mandatory' draft of all available men. Put them in re-education camps & swear allegiance to the country and leaders and not to religous idiots.

*Make ID cards standard. No weird groups getting free travel in the country.

*Kill all the evil Clerics or threaten their families just like Hussein did.(dude with the black turban-Al sadr-whatever)

*Install a charismatic president that wins over the people.
And if all that doesn't work just kill them in gas chambers.

StcChief
06-30-2007, 11:50 PM
It's up to Iraqis and strong leadership to bring their country together. So far they seem to worried about being political and not working for the good of citizens.

Starting off just like America Politicos