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keg in kc
07-03-2007, 09:59 PM
Tonight's apparently a break from the paranormal, with the brains behind fishdontwalk.com (http://www.fishdontwalk.com/) debunking the theory of evolution.

Go to http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/wheretolisten.html to find the station near you.

DJay23
07-03-2007, 10:01 PM
Creationism is not science.

FAX
07-03-2007, 10:02 PM
Awesome. Thanks for the heads-up, Mr. keg in kc.

FAX

kcfanXIII
07-03-2007, 10:11 PM
YAWN....

this guy is just a bible thumper that wants to say enormous odds are proof of creationism. not one solid fact.

Mr Luzcious
07-03-2007, 10:19 PM
YAWN....

this guy is just a bible thumper that wants to say enormous odds are proof of creationism. not one solid fact.

I've yet to see one solid fact for either side...

keg in kc
07-03-2007, 10:21 PM
this guy is just a bible thumper that wants to say enormous odds are proof of creationism. not one solid fact.That's the beauty of the show. Art created it as a platform for anyone, as long as they were intelligent and/or interesting, regardless of whether he (or anyone in his audience) agrees with what they have to say. As he's put it in the past, he just 'hands them the rope'.

keg in kc
07-04-2007, 12:36 AM
He's not very convincing, I'm afraid to say.

Smed1065
07-04-2007, 01:57 AM
JRex commits harry carey.

Like you did not think it first.......

BS!

jAZ
07-04-2007, 02:10 AM
I've yet to see one solid fact for either side...
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.

petegz28
07-04-2007, 08:13 AM
The only problem Evolution has is the fact that there are a gazillion similar species on this planet untilit comes to humans. Humans are unique in their species. I find it turly amazing how the Theory of Evolution seems to ignore this very fact.

On the other hand Creationaism is very simple and in some cases too simple to explain things. The fact is we are symbiots with the entire universe. We depend on everything around us. We depend on the sun, the moon, the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees.

We all did come from something. There is no life in this universe without death and no death obviously without life.

And anyone who says they know how we came about is full of shit.

tiptap
07-04-2007, 10:40 AM
Humans are unique as the only remaining example of hominid. But there are plenty of fossil evidence for other hominid beside Homo sapiens. If you mean only to include existing species and ignore fossil evidence, I would suggest you note that like all the great apes, we are tailless, we are ambulatory with unique use of the arms compared to other group of animals, we have binocular vision like all primates, we share the same Vitamin C defect in our enzymes with apes, Old and New World monkeys and so on.

Yes human existence has unique chararcteristics of language and bipedal motion, but the evidence in the fossil record indicates the movement from a common ancestor to humans as these traits were selected as advantageous.

As to your allusion to the symbiotic relationship. I tend to agree. Evolution isn't about survival of the fittest but the perpetuation of the combinations of genetic material. As such integration as well as competition offers strategies that can be successful in securing the next generation.

KC Kings
07-04-2007, 10:55 AM
The only problem Evolution has is the fact that there are a gazillion similar species on this planet untilit comes to humans. Humans are unique in their species. I find it turly amazing how the Theory of Evolution seems to ignore this very fact.

On the other hand Creationaism is very simple and in some cases too simple to explain things. The fact is we are symbiots with the entire universe. We depend on everything around us. We depend on the sun, the moon, the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees.

We all did come from something. There is no life in this universe without death and no death obviously without life.

And anyone who says they know how we came about is full of shit.


There are tons of holes in the theory of evolution, but the most interesting to me is sexual reproduction. All specieis would of had to start out asexual, then as the species evolved they would have to evolve into different sexes and not only become sexually mature at the same time, but also have members of the opposite sex around when they did. If the odds of that happening with 1 species weren't mind boggeling enough, every species of mammal, reptile, fish, and bird evolved to reproduce in the same way, with a sperm fertilizing an egg.
That is 15,500 species of mammals, 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 reptiles, 9,000 birds, and 1,000 amphibians that all happen to evolve from asexual beings, to sexual beings that create either eggs or sperm.

Groves
07-04-2007, 11:41 AM
I've really been blown away by some animal studies recently. It's convinced me more than ever that these creatures just couldn't get to their final, efficient, surviving, state by just super small changes over time. There are too many things that have to all be in place for the system to work.

If anyone wants to hear more, I'd love to talk about it. I've been really fascinated by it all. It's really changed my mind on some things.

PM me.

Dave Lane
07-04-2007, 11:44 AM
I think the part about "break from the paranormal" to now debunking evolution really says more than anything I could offer...

Dave

Dave Lane
07-04-2007, 11:57 AM
Start a thread over in DC like this should have been, and you'll get to say your piece. Expect to get bitch slapped however so have a tough skin...

Dave

Groves
07-04-2007, 12:10 PM
That's probably true. The real discussions are usually off list anyway. That's cool.

Lord knows I'm not afraid of all the slapping that can be dealt. What kind of man would be?