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Prince22
07-04-2007, 03:37 PM
I'm thinking of making a sign but i need some help. If there is anyone thats good at photoshop i have an idea. The cover of the movie "JUICE" featuring Omar Epps and Tupac has Omar in a hoodie and Tupac in the background. If anyone can place Barry's mug in Omars place I'll have it blown up in the AM and take it to the game. I'd love to do this so lets see what kind of talent you guys have in the photo shop. I'll be sitting in right field while he's batting but i'll take it to left when the giants are on the field. Thanks in advance

Prince22
07-04-2007, 03:38 PM
i'm going to work now i'll check back later

StcChief
07-04-2007, 04:49 PM
Hey Pitcher "Just Hit him in the Ribs".

Prince22
07-05-2007, 01:37 AM
Well my buddy came through for me, check it outhttp://thumbp2.mail.re2.yahoo.com/tn?sid=1010468990&mid=ACJhxEIAAR1zRow1NQ1ZBgeqX9k&partid=2&f=565&fid=Inbox

Prince22
07-05-2007, 01:39 AM
shit! how do i make it larger?

pr_capone
07-05-2007, 01:50 AM
shit! how do i make it larger?
I dont see it at all

cookster50
07-05-2007, 06:42 AM
Great pic. You definitely need to make it larger, maybe large enough someone can actually see it rather than just imagine it being there.....

Consistent1
07-05-2007, 07:56 AM
What a loser..not Bonds, but you bro. Go boo one of the best ever, great idea. It is just like always, the Chiefs fans act like 99% of their own players aren't jacked up. Welcome to the NFL chump. Bonds would be having an awesome year if they would pitch to him at all. He is only batting like .305, but I am sure he does get impatient with all the walks. His OBP is insane. You can diss him all you want, but the guy is just as good as ever. And yeah, almost all Chiefs players do use gear, get real asshole.

Duck Dog
07-05-2007, 08:10 AM
Stay classy San Diego.

penguinz
07-05-2007, 08:12 AM
You are a fuggin moron.

Rooster
07-05-2007, 08:37 AM
What a loser..not Bonds, but you bro. Go boo one of the best ever, great idea. It is just like always, the Chiefs fans act like 99% of their own players aren't jacked up. Welcome to the NFL chump. Bonds would be having an awesome year if they would pitch to him at all. He is only batting like .305, but I am sure he does get impatient with all the walks. His OBP is insane. You can diss him all you want, but the guy is just as good as ever. And yeah, almost all Chiefs players do use gear, get real asshole.

ROFL Yeah, you think about that Prince22.

KC Kings
07-05-2007, 08:54 AM
99.999999% of all professional athletes use performance enhancing supplements. Whether it the clear, creatine, andro, MetRx, whatever, I don't care. Nobody plays on their own "natural" ability anymore.

Hoover
07-05-2007, 09:22 AM
I'm going to Wrigley on the 16th to be there, and if Bonds hits 755 or 756 I'm be the first to stand up an cheer and I'm a huge Cubs fan.

The guys is the greatest baseball player ever to play the game. He was a hall of famer before all the late 90's when everyone started hitting all of these homeruns. It would be on thing if we had proof that he took roids or something illegal, but we don't. The sterioid problem in baseball is MLB's fault for being so lax about it. If they really cared they would have done something about it in the mid 90's, but they needed Sosa and McGuire's epic homerun battle to bring life back into the game after the 1994 strike. I blame MLB for creating this steroid mess.

Kraut
07-05-2007, 09:37 AM
I'm going to Wrigley on the 16th to be there, and if Bonds hits 755 or 756 I'm be the first to stand up an cheer and I'm a huge Cubs fan.

The guys is the greatest baseball player ever to play the game. He was a hall of famer before all the late 90's when everyone started hitting all of these homeruns. It would be on thing if we had proof that he took roids or something illegal, but we don't. The sterioid problem in baseball is MLB's fault for being so lax about it. If they really cared they would have done something about it in the mid 90's, but they needed Sosa and McGuire's epic homerun battle to bring life back into the game after the 1994 strike. I blame MLB for creating this steroid mess.
As much as I don't like Barry, you have a good point. MLB has created this problem. Damn! It pains me to say that.

El Jefe
07-05-2007, 09:42 AM
What a loser..not Bonds, but you bro. Go boo one of the best ever, great idea. It is just like always, the Chiefs fans act like 99% of their own players aren't jacked up. Welcome to the NFL chump. Bonds would be having an awesome year if they would pitch to him at all. He is only batting like .305, but I am sure he does get impatient with all the walks. His OBP is insane. You can diss him all you want, but the guy is just as good as ever. And yeah, almost all Chiefs players do use gear, get real asshole.



ROFL, man looks like Nancy's panties are in a bunch.

DMAC
07-05-2007, 09:43 AM
99.999999% of all professional athletes use performance enhancing supplements. Whether it the clear, creatine, andro, MetRx, whatever, I don't care. Nobody plays on their own "natural" ability anymore.I would guess by looking at Brodie, that he takes NOTHING.

ChiTown
07-05-2007, 09:54 AM
What a loser..not Bonds, but you bro. Go boo one of the best ever, great idea. It is just like always, the Chiefs fans act like 99% of their own players aren't jacked up. Welcome to the NFL chump. Bonds would be having an awesome year if they would pitch to him at all. He is only batting like .305, but I am sure he does get impatient with all the walks. His OBP is insane. You can diss him all you want, but the guy is just as good as ever. And yeah, almost all Chiefs players do use gear, get real asshole.

There's a new douche in town.......

DJJasonp
07-05-2007, 10:08 AM
What a loser..not Bonds, but you bro. Go boo one of the best ever, great idea. It is just like always, the Chiefs fans act like 99% of their own players aren't jacked up. Welcome to the NFL chump. Bonds would be having an awesome year if they would pitch to him at all. He is only batting like .305, but I am sure he does get impatient with all the walks. His OBP is insane. You can diss him all you want, but the guy is just as good as ever. And yeah, almost all Chiefs players do use gear, get real asshole.

I'd boo him...and I dont boo him because of the roids issue...I boo him cuz he's an asshole. The guy has treated the fans and the media his entire career like jerks...and then towards the end of his career, he wants to play the pity card and try to make it seem like he's so mistreated and so unlucky and how terrible it is to be "barry".

What a load of crap. Have some respect for the game...the game always was and always will be bigger than you Barry.

Simply Red
07-05-2007, 10:37 AM
What a loser..not Bonds, but you bro. Go boo one of the best ever, great idea. It is just like always, the Chiefs fans act like 99% of their own players aren't jacked up. Welcome to the NFL chump. Bonds would be having an awesome year if they would pitch to him at all. He is only batting like .305, but I am sure he does get impatient with all the walks. His OBP is insane. You can diss him all you want, but the guy is just as good as ever. And yeah, almost all Chiefs players do use gear, get real asshole.


For those who needed a definition for: Dumbassery.

Micjones
07-05-2007, 10:41 AM
Baseball has THE MOST celebrated culture of cheating than any other professional sport. To boo Bonds for ALLEGED steroid usage (when he was a Hall of Fame lock long before said allegations)... And ignore players who many years before Bonds who took amphetamines... Is...well...SILLY.

Steroids can't help you hit a major league curveball.
Won't give you Bonds' vision OR patience at the plate...

Get over it. Enjoy watching the greatest baseball player in the history of the game pass Hammering Hank.

And for those who claim Barry Bonds is an asshole...
So was Pete Rose. This isn't a popularity contest. It's baseball.

Simply Red
07-05-2007, 10:48 AM
Baseball has THE MOST celebrated culture of cheating than any other professional sport. To boo Bonds for ALLEGED steroid usage (when he was a Hall of Fame lock long before said allegations)... And ignore players who many years before Bonds who took amphetamines... Is...well...SILLY.

Steroids can't help you hit a major league curveball.
Won't give you Bonds' vision OR patience at the plate...

Get over it. Enjoy watching the greatest baseball player in the history of the game pass Hammering Hank.

And for those who claim Barry Bonds is an asshole...
So was Pete Rose. This isn't a popularity contest. It's baseball.
Agree with most of this, though I've never tried to hit a splitter while being juices.

And facts are facts no subjectiveness here. Bonds is an asshole. He shouldn't be an asshole to fans who support him. I have heard he doesn't do siggys and is arrogant beyond belief outside the sport. Yes it is not a popularity contest, but most don't bite the hand that feeds them.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 11:01 AM
I'm going to Wrigley on the 16th to be there, and if Bonds hits 755 or 756 I'm be the first to stand up an cheer and I'm a huge Cubs fan.

The guys is the greatest baseball player ever to play the game. He was a hall of famer before all the late 90's when everyone started hitting all of these homeruns. It would be on thing if we had proof that he took roids or something illegal, but we don't. The sterioid problem in baseball is MLB's fault for being so lax about it. If they really cared they would have done something about it in the mid 90's, but they needed Sosa and McGuire's epic homerun battle to bring life back into the game after the 1994 strike. I blame MLB for creating this steroid mess.


Good post, except for the bolded part.

Bonds ADMITTED he "unknowingly" took steroids during his Grand Jury testimony.

There's also a mountain of evidence, but the words came right from Barry's mouth.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 11:03 AM
For those who needed a definition for: Dumbassery.

Or: Fuqtard.

DaneMcCloud
07-05-2007, 11:07 AM
I'd boo him...and I dont boo him because of the roids issue...I boo him cuz he's an asshole. The guy has treated the fans and the media his entire career like jerks...and then towards the end of his career, he wants to play the pity card and try to make it seem like he's so mistreated and so unlucky and how terrible it is to be "barry".

What a load of crap. Have some respect for the game...the game always was and always will be bigger than you Barry.

Do you live in SF? I did for a summer and my wife's originally from NoCal and I don't know any Bonds haters. To the contrary - they've got a sold-out ballpark just about every night filled with people cheering him on. Everyone that I know up there loves Barry. And why not? He's one of the greatest baseball players that's ever played the game and brings it every single night.

I never have and never will understand the notion that any pro athlete needs to be Mr. Goodie Two Shoes when not playing the game. I think that's freakin' ridiculous.

Some people just aren't personable by nature. Get over it.

PS: I hope Barry hits 855 home runs.

Hoover
07-05-2007, 11:11 AM
If I were Barry Bonds I'd be a dick too.

Micjones
07-05-2007, 11:11 AM
And facts are facts no subjectiveness here. Bonds is an asshole.

As was Pete Rose.
That doesn't take away from the fact that he's a hell of a baseball player. You don't know him personally. To form such strong opinions of the man when you don't have personal experience with him is a bit much to me.

There are specific instances where Bonds has gone above and beyond to be nice to fans. Drunken fans even. I can recall his handling of a drunken fan who hopped onto the field VERY, VERY well. He was concerned that security might rough the guy up so he kindly made certain that that didn't happen by personally escorting the man over to them.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 11:20 AM
Personally, my dislike for BB is threefold:

1) He's a DOCUMENTED cheater. Why some of you guys say he's an "alleged" steroid user is beyond me. He admitted it. Case closed.

2) He's an asshole. Telling fans to "**** off" when they ask for an autograph? Classless. Read the book "Love me, Hate Me: Barry Bonds and the making of an anti-hero" by Jeff Pearlman. Pearlman interviewed over 500 former teammates, friends, agents, front office folks, etc. There aren't a lot of good things said defending BB.

3) I'll agree, he was a HOF caliber player before the roids. But he would have never broken one of the most hallowed record in baseball without the juice. According to his HR per year averages BEFORE the juice, he'd still be in the low 600's. And that's IF he hadn't had the luxury of working out more/harder in his late 30's to the present, when normal people are declining. The man I feel gets screwed in all this is Hank Aaron. The man endured death threats, pulling his kids out of school, etc. He's an ambassador for the game. He played the game the right way, full of class, and will now lose his record to a man who has no respect for the game, his teammates or anyone else not named Barry Bonds.

Just my .02....

greg63
07-05-2007, 11:23 AM
I'm Going to the Reds Game tomm to boo Barry

Well, it's good to have purpose in life.

Ari Chi3fs
07-05-2007, 11:25 AM
I like Barry Bonds. When I was in San Francisco, I saw him hit 738, and it was awesome to feel part of history as he gets closer to 756.

He is a 5 time MVP. 5 freaking time MVP. He had 3-4 of them prior to his head growing large from the Balco ointments.

Steroids were a don't ask-don't tell for many years... so you cant be upset at him for trying to gain a competitive advantage when many others were also doing it.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 11:33 AM
Do you live in SF? I did for a summer and my wife's originally from NoCal and I don't know any Bonds haters. To the contrary - they've got a sold-out ballpark just about every night filled with people cheering him on. Everyone that I know up there loves Barry. And why not? He's one of the greatest baseball players that's ever played the game and brings it every single night.

I never have and never will understand the notion that any pro athlete needs to be Mr. Goodie Two Shoes when not playing the game. I think that's freakin' ridiculous.

Some people just aren't personable by nature. Get over it.

PS: I hope Barry hits 855 home runs.

Wow!

There aren't any Bonds' haters in Northern California?

Color me shocked.

kcfanXIII
07-05-2007, 11:45 AM
no matter how good he is, as long as he pisses off fans, fans will boo him. by paying for a ticket, we buy the right to heckle the opponent. i've gone to a KC vs. NYY game and booed every single yankee. not because their talent level, but because i hate the yankMES. its our god given right as a fan, and if this guy wants to get creative with his taunting i say go for it. unless you're worried about hurting a millionare cheater's feelings.

ChiTown
07-05-2007, 11:47 AM
Wow!

There aren't any Bonds' haters in Northern California?

Color me shocked.

:LOL:

DaneMcCloud
07-05-2007, 11:49 AM
Wow!

There aren't any Bonds' haters in Northern California?

Color me shocked.

So are you implying that ALL baseball fans must love ALL baseball players, regardless of where they play? WTF?

POND_OF_RED
07-05-2007, 11:58 AM
I think it would be hard to be nice to the media and fans after you've been bashed by them for the last few years. It's sad that the guy can't just enjoy this moment breaking the most prestigious record in MLB. He might have taken steroids but he still has worked his ass off his whole life to get to this point. You can't just take steroids one night and turn into a hall of famer the next day.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 11:59 AM
So are you implying that ALL baseball fans must love ALL baseball players, regardless of where they play? WTF?

Nope, just find it funny that you think it speaks to the greatness of BB that there aren't any haters in NoCal. Interesting considering that's where he ****ing plays, you dolt.

Meanwhile the other 29 cities he plays in boos the shit out of him.....

Take him out of his bubble, and the rest of MLB hates him, for many of the reasons already discussed in this thread.

Had the ASG not been in SF, he wouldn't have made the team.

And I can't wait to see all the excuses he comes up with for not playing so he can break the record in his bubble, where everyone will cheer and make it out to be some great moment.

He knows damn good and well if he breaks it anywhere else, he'll have his ass booed off, and the celebration will be minimal. That won't work, because we all know, it's all about Barry......

Hell, the Commissioner of Baseball doesn't want to be there.

Hank Aaron doesn't want to be there.

What does that tell you?

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 12:02 PM
I think it would be hard to be nice to the media and fans after you've been bashed by them for the last few years. It's sad that the guy can't just enjoy this moment breaking the most prestigious record in MLB. He might have taken steroids but he still has worked his ass off his whole life to get to this point. You can't just take steroids one night and turn into a hall of famer the next day.

This didn't start after the steroids issue.

He was an asshole as a kid, he was an asshole at Arizona State, he was an asshole with Pittsburgh and he's an asshole now. Read the book I mentioned earlier. His coaches and teammates hated him.

Steroid use was just the icing on the cake.....

DaneMcCloud
07-05-2007, 12:04 PM
Nope, just find it funny that you think it speaks to the greatness of BB that there aren't any haters in NoCal. Interesting considering that's where he ****ing plays, you dolt.

Meanwhile the other 29 cities he plays in boos the shit out of him.....

Take him out of his bubble, and the rest of MLB hates him, for many of the reasons already discussed in this thread.

Had the ASG not been in SF, he wouldn't have made the team.

And I can't wait to see all the excuses he comes up with for not playing so he can break the record in his bubble, where everyone will cheer and make it out to be some great moment.

He knows damn good and well if he breaks it anywhere else, he'll have his ass booed off, and the celebration will be minimal. That won;t work, because we all know, it's all about Barry......

Hell, the Commissioner of Baseball doesn't want to be there. Hank Arron doesn't want to be there. What's that tell you?

Whatever. Great players are hated all the time by other cities. How many people here think Jeter's over-rated and hate him too (which is absurd, BTW)? That's the nature of sports.

You obviously dislike Bonds. Good for you. I like him and hope he destroys the HR record. I can't wait for his HOF induction, just to rile up the haters.

penguinz
07-05-2007, 12:05 PM
Good post, except for the bolded part.

Bonds ADMITTED he "unknowingly" took steroids during his Grand Jury testimony.

There's also a mountain of evidence, but the words came right from Barry's mouth.
He never admitted to taking steroids.

kcfanXIII
07-05-2007, 12:10 PM
Whatever. Great players are hated all the time by other cities. How many people here think Jeter's over-rated and hate him too (which is absurd, BTW)? That's the nature of sports.

You obviously dislike Bonds. Good for you. I like him and hope he destroys the HR record. I can't wait for his HOF induction, just to rile up the haters.

jeter is a great SS, hitter, and leader on that team. i still hate him and will boo him every time i see him play. as stated, its my right as a fan. i'm sure it doesn't bother him or any of the other guys making way too much money, but it make sme feel better.

88TG88
07-05-2007, 12:11 PM
99.999999% of all professional athletes use performance enhancing supplements. Whether it the clear, creatine, andro, MetRx, whatever, I don't care. Nobody plays on their own "natural" ability anymore.
That may be true but Hank and Babe didn't. The fact that he's about to break the records they set on natural abilities makes people pissed.

I'm a Dodger fan so I have a legitimate reason for hating Barroids.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 12:12 PM
He never admitted to taking steroids.

He admitted to taking two substances, that were in fact steroids. Just because he thinks they were "flaxseed oil" doesn't mean he didn't take them, and admit to doing so, even "unknowingly."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/12/MNG9BHMUG61.DTL


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index.html

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 12:27 PM
Whatever. Great players are hated all the time by other cities. How many people here think Jeter's over-rated and hate him too (which is absurd, BTW)? That's the nature of sports.

Of course they are.

I absolutely despise Carlos Zambrano.

Not because he's an asshole, or cheats, but because he plays for the Cubs.

As a ballplayer, I respect the hell out of him. He's an insane talent. But he plays for the Cubs. Therefore, I want him to fail.

Jeter is hated because he plays for the Yankess. If he played for the Devil Rays, no one would care.

IMO, Bonds isn't hated because of his talent, he's hated because he's an arrogant asshole who thinks he's bigger than the game, and is disrespecting Hank Aaron and MLB by breaking one of the most hallowed record in baseball on the juice.

penguinz
07-05-2007, 12:29 PM
He admitted to taking two substances, that were in fact steroids. Just because he thinks they were "flaxseed oil" doesn't mean he didn't take them, and admit to doing so, even "unknowingly."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/12/MNG9BHMUG61.DTL


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index.htmlNo matter what you use as yoru source he still has never admitted to taking steroids. Saying you took a substance you believed to be one thing when it was really another thing does no mean you are admitting to taking that other thing.

cookster50
07-05-2007, 12:34 PM
People are booing Bonds because he shouldn't be within 150 HR of Hanks record. For those that think he's a great player, that is your opinion. The rest of us think his breaking the HR record is a sham and shouldn't be allowed. That is our opinion.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 12:34 PM
No matter what you use as yoru source he still has never admitted to taking steroids. Saying you took a substance you believed to be one thing when it was really another thing does no mean you are admitting to taking that other thing.


Jesus Christ.

Same mentality as the people you see getting busted on "Cops."


Marijuana, officer? No sir, I just thought it was a bag of oregano.....

Cocaine, officer? I thought it was a balloon filled with powdered sugar, honest.

Last I checked, they are still guilty......

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 12:37 PM
People are booing Bonds because he shouldn't be within 150 HR of Hanks record. For those that think he's a great player, that is your opinion. The rest of us think his breaking the HR record is a sham and shouldn't be allowed. That is our opinion.


I agree with some of that.

You're right, without the juice, he wouldn't be anywhere near the record.

Breaking the record is a sham, and will always be looked upon that way by a large segment of baseball fans.

However, Bonds was a great player, HOF worthy before he took the juice.

penguinz
07-05-2007, 12:38 PM
Jesus Christ.

Same mentality as the people you see getting busted on "Cops."


Marijuana, officer? No sir, I just thought it was a bag of oregano.....

Cocaine, officer? I thought it was a balloon filled with powdered sugar, honest.

Last I checked, they are still guilty......
You are one big ass idiot. This is not an argument of guilt. All that I am saying is that you are incorrect in your statement that Bonds has admitted to taking steroids. He never has admitted to this. If he had actually admitted to it there would not be an ongoing investigation.

CoMoChief
07-05-2007, 12:42 PM
Bonds is still one of the best players to ever play the game. What he's achieving is something great and it's something that everyone in baseball needs to witness.

I dont care that he used steroids. If he wants to ruin his body then so be it. You can't really justify anything these days because in pretty much any sport the game has changed dramatically since the start of it's exsistence.

cookster50
07-05-2007, 12:42 PM
However, Bonds was a great player, HOF worthy before he took the juice.

I would agree with that. He was a constant 30-30 threat. Back when 30 HR was a big deal.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 12:46 PM
You are one big ass idiot. This is not an argument of guilt. All that I am saying is that you are incorrect in your statement that Bonds has admitted to taking steroids. He never has admitted to this. If he had actually admitted to it there would not be an ongoing investigation.

You want to argue semantics, fine with me.

You're right, Barry Bonds did not utter the words, "I TOOK STEROIDS."

He did, however admit to taking substances that were in fact steroids.

And part of the investigation is to see if they have enough to pin perjury charges on him. That doesn't happen overnight.

I guess Barry is telling the truth, and Sheffield, the Giambi Brothers, Armando Rios, Benito Santiago and Bobby Estalella are all lying. They've all said they got their stuff directly from Bonds.

That's a lot of flaxseed oil......

The truth will be PROVEN eventually, too bad it didn't happen before Hank's record was overtaken.

Baby Lee
07-05-2007, 12:46 PM
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Micjones
07-05-2007, 12:47 PM
People are booing Bonds because he shouldn't be within 150 HR of Hanks record. For those that think he's a great player, that is your opinion. The rest of us think his breaking the HR record is a sham and shouldn't be allowed. That is our opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion, but he was a Hall of Fame player long before the allegations were lobbed at him.

You'd be crazy to deny that Bonds is a great player.
You make not like him, but that's a different story altogether.

And unless you're willing to talk about how tainted all of Baseball history has been... It's silly anyway.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 12:47 PM
http://theimaginaryworld.com/tic523.jpg




ROFL ROFL ROFL

KC Kings
07-05-2007, 12:50 PM
Personally, my dislike for BB is threefold:

1) He's a DOCUMENTED cheater. Why some of you guys say he's an "alleged" steroid user is beyond me. He admitted it. Case closed.

2) He's an asshole. Telling fans to "**** off" when they ask for an autograph? Classless. Read the book "Love me, Hate Me: Barry Bonds and the making of an anti-hero" by Jeff Pearlman. Pearlman interviewed over 500 former teammates, friends, agents, front office folks, etc. There aren't a lot of good things said defending BB.



....

1. Every manager who ever protested a close call, when the knew the call was correct, is trying to cheat and a cheater.

2. The autograph thing is another story entirely. First of all, he doesn't owe anybody an autograph. Second of all, there are many other stories out there about Barry autographing items for fans. I like getting autographs and I have a whole bunch of worthless crap in my house that is autographed. It is pretty obvious when you have a fan like me asking for a autograph on an old hat, or napkin from a restaraunt we are in, that I really want the autograph. If you ever go to signings, about half the people there are getting the autograph only because it is worth some if they sell it. They don't care about the player, they just want to get on a brand new jersey so they can sell it on EBay.

Tuckdaddy
07-05-2007, 01:01 PM
The man has never tested positive for steroids. But is constantly insulted like he has. I love Bonds and think he's the best ever.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 01:04 PM
1. Every manager who ever protested a close call, when the knew the call was correct, is trying to cheat and a cheater.

Or they could just be trying to get their team fired up......

How many times in the history of baseball has a manager tirade changed an umpire's call?

Trying to cheat? Gimme a break.....

2. The autograph thing is another story entirely. First of all, he doesn't owe anybody an autograph. Second of all, there are many other stories out there about Barry autographing items for fans. I like getting autographs and I have a whole bunch of worthless crap in my house that is autographed. It is pretty obvious when you have a fan like me asking for a autograph on an old hat, or napkin from a restaraunt we are in, that I really want the autograph. If you ever go to signings, about half the people there are getting the autograph only because it is worth some if they sell it. They don't care about the player, they just want to get on a brand new jersey so they can sell it on EBay.


I collect autographs as well. There are times when I can get one, and others when the player chooses not to, or runs out of time.

Usually, the player will at least say, sorry, I just can't right now.

As opposed to **** off.

You can tell who the players are who respect the game, find it a honor to be playing at this level, and realize that, without the fans, their game ceases to exist.

I went to the Cards - D'Backs game last night, and our young SS, (Ryan) called up from the minors, came back out and signed autographs near the dugout for 45 minutes. It's rare to see guys come out AFTER a game.

Fish
07-05-2007, 01:06 PM
The man has never tested positive for steroids. But is constantly insulted like he has. I love Bonds and think he's the best ever.

So you honestly believe he hasn't taken them?? Seriously??

Ebolapox
07-05-2007, 01:10 PM
No matter what you use as yoru source he still has never admitted to taking steroids. Saying you took a substance you believed to be one thing when it was really another thing does no mean you are admitting to taking that other thing.

go read book of shadows...

yeah, he REALLY thought he was taking flaxseed oil... ROFL

he's a professional f*cking athlete--these are the guys who have blood drawn to see the chemical levels of trace metals in their bodies in their spare time for an added boost and have a finger on EVERYTHING they put into their body--and you believe he didn't have ANY CLUE he was taking roids instead of flaxf*ckingseed oil?

heh--I have a nice spread on the moon that I can sell you for cheap.

penguinz
07-05-2007, 01:23 PM
go read book of shadows...

yeah, he REALLY thought he was taking flaxseed oil... ROFL

he's a professional f*cking athlete--these are the guys who have blood drawn to see the chemical levels of trace metals in their bodies in their spare time for an added boost and have a finger on EVERYTHING they put into their body--and you believe he didn't have ANY CLUE he was taking roids instead of flaxf*ckingseed oil?

heh--I have a nice spread on the moon that I can sell you for cheap.Another person that does not actually read what is written. I have never said he has not taken or has taken steroids. All I have done is correct a statement where a person on this thread says that Bonds has admitted to taking steroids. This is factually wrong. he has never admitted to using steroids.


The whole argument is dumb to begin with. Taking steroids does not help you hit the ball. They will help you hit it harder and further but not to actually hit them. As far as them helping him hit them further... What is the difference to the ball going into the stands or it going out of the park.

Not to mention that he was playing against pitches that were usign the same methods to advance their game.

Rooster
07-05-2007, 01:25 PM
It will be a sad day when he breaks Hank's record IMO. When my little boy asked me who the greatest homerun hitter ever was I won't even mention Bond's name. He will break it in San Fran but I wish he would break it on the road so history would show the boos from the crowd. The boos should be his asterisk.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 01:32 PM
Another person that does not actually read what is written. I have never said he has not taken or has taken steroids. All I have done is correct a statement where a person on this thread says that Bonds has admitted to taking steroids. This is factually wrong. he has never admitted to using steroids.


The whole argument is dumb to begin with. Taking steroids does not help you hit the ball. They will help you hit it harder and further but not to actually hit them. As far as them helping him hit them further... What is the difference to the ball going into the stands or it going out of the park.

Not to mention that he was playing against pitches that were usign the same methods to advance their game.

Again, semantics.

No one is doubting Bonds hand-eye coordination, but if you honestly think that steroids did not help him, your head is in the sand.

Bonds hit over 45 HR's ONCE before the juice.

In the 5 years following, he AVERAGED almost 52 a season.

Steroids has helped his power, and has allowed him to work out harder and more often.

It could be argued that without steroids, he may not even be still playing at this age.

Just curious, what pitchers are involved in this steroids investigation?

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 01:34 PM
I find it interesting that myself and others are accused of "assuming" Bonds did steroids because he never failed a drug test......

Yet there are tons of "assumptions" that every OTHER professional athlete is taking them......

Fish
07-05-2007, 01:35 PM
The whole argument is dumb to begin with. Taking steroids does not help you hit the ball. They will help you hit it harder and further but not to actually hit them. As far as them helping him hit them further... What is the difference to the ball going into the stands or it going out of the park.

Not to mention that he was playing against pitches that were usign the same methods to advance their game.

In considering a record in which the entire purpose is to be able to hit further than your peers, I think there is a big difference. If he wasn't juiced, many of those HRs would have been an out at the warning track instead of bringing him closer to breaking a record set by someone who managed to do it without the help that Bonds had.

What if Aaron would have been on the juice? Maybe the record would have been much higher.

I have respect for Bonds as an athlete. And I would have considered him a timeless part of the game, had he not knowingly cheated. And he did knowingly cheat, whether he admits to it or not. You don't increase your shoe size by 3 sizes without realizing you're taking something. My disappointment lies with the fact that he could have been one of the greats without ever touching the stuff. Instead he ruined his own image and tarnished the HR record.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 01:36 PM
In considering a record in which the entire purpose is to be able to hit further than your peers, I think there is a big difference. If he wasn't juiced, many of those HRs would have been an out at the warning track instead of bringing him closer to breaking a record set by someone who managed to do it without the help that Bonds had.

What if Aaron would have been on the juice? Maybe the record would have been much higher.

I have respect for Bonds as an athlete. And I would have considered him a timeless part of the game, had he not knowingly cheated. And he did knowingly cheat, whether he admits to it or not. You don't increase your shoe size by 3 sizes without realizing you're taking something. My disappointment lies with the fact that he could have been one of the greats without ever touching the stuff. Instead he ruined his own image and tarnished the HR record.


Excellent post, Nate.

DaneMcCloud
07-05-2007, 01:55 PM
I find it interesting that myself and others are accused of "assuming" Bonds did steroids because he never failed a drug test......

Yet there are tons of "assumptions" that every OTHER professional athlete is taking them......

You have a hatred of Bonds, fine. But until it's proven otherwise, Barry Bonds has not been found guilty of using steroids. Additionally, steriods weren't even banned in MLB until after the 2003 season.

What we DO know:

Jason Grimsley took steriods.

Jason Giambi took steriods.

Mark McGuire was at least taking creatine

Raphael Palmeiro tested positive for steroids.

Barry Bonds has never tested positive for steriods

The Game of baseball has been a mess for 90 years. Babe Ruth and others didn't face the best pitchers of their day due to discrimination. Players have been taking "Bennies" in the clubhouse forever. The 1986 Mets were the most coked-out team in MLB history. Steroid use grew to enormous proportions in the 90's.

Clean up all the players and managers. Until that happens, EVERYTHING is suspect. And do you know what happens with everything is suspect? Nothing is suspect.

It's a level playing field.

Consistent1
07-05-2007, 02:34 PM
You guys mentioning creatine in the same sentence as gear kill me. Ha, ha. Like someone said, the pitchers have been all jacked up too. As far as Bonds being a jerk, who cares? It really just makes him more of an interesting character. All these guys that hate him are still taking up their own time posting about him. Hank Aaron is being a dick IMO by not wanting to be there, and all that. Does he have solid ground to stand on? Perhaps he does, but he could let it go. Those older guys are bitter about money as much as anything. I don't think that Hank faced as many quality pitchers (who may have been "cheating" themselves) as Barry. More relievers as specialists, etc. As I said before NFL fans that bitch about steroids in other sports kill me. One thing about Bonds that I really admire is that he takes all the walk crap so well. He would already be over 3000 hits, and possibly have 50+ more home runs if he just got pitched to 20% more of the time. He has a terrible lineup this year, why pitch to him? Yet, he is patient, and hits really well when he gets the chance. Yeah, he took some gear. It would be kind of dumb of him to unknowingly use stuff. I have never bought that one. He has just gotten a lot better over time with discipline and timing, and I do not believe that gear helped him in that way. If he got pitched to like Gayrod, I would bet he would have 30 HR's right now, not even playing every game. A true legend, like it or not!

Ari Chi3fs
07-05-2007, 02:42 PM
What a bunch of whiner dooshes in this thread.

Carlota69
07-05-2007, 02:53 PM
What I would like to know is, how many HR's did Hank Aaron hit after the 7th innning? You know, when he didnt have to face the set-up man for the set-up man, for the set up man for the closer....

I dont like Barry either, however, athletes from every era have something that gives them an edge. Our era apparently is HGH, Steriods, Creatine etc...

I'm not sure what other advantage Hammering Hank had in his playing days, but facing really tired pitchers in the 8th inning I would have to beleive would be one of them.

Fish
07-05-2007, 03:08 PM
You guys mentioning creatine in the same sentence as gear kill me. Ha, ha. Like someone said, the pitchers have been all jacked up too. As far as Bonds being a jerk, who cares? It really just makes him more of an interesting character. All these guys that hate him are still taking up their own time posting about him. Hank Aaron is being a dick IMO by not wanting to be there, and all that. Does he have solid ground to stand on? Perhaps he does, but he could let it go. Those older guys are bitter about money as much as anything. I don't think that Hank faced as many quality pitchers (who may have been "cheating" themselves) as Barry. More relievers as specialists, etc. As I said before NFL fans that bitch about steroids in other sports kill me. One thing about Bonds that I really admire is that he takes all the walk crap so well. He would already be over 3000 hits, and possibly have 50+ more home runs if he just got pitched to 20% more of the time. He has a terrible lineup this year, why pitch to him? Yet, he is patient, and hits really well when he gets the chance. Yeah, he took some gear. It would be kind of dumb of him to unknowingly use stuff. I have never bought that one. He has just gotten a lot better over time with discipline and timing, and I do not believe that gear helped him in that way. If he got pitched to like Gayrod, I would bet he would have 30 HR's right now, not even playing every game. A true legend, like it or not!

The "everybody does it, you can't catch them all, so why prosecute this one guy" defense is total BS. Some thieves get away with thieving. We still prosecute the ones that get caught. And simply because some got away with it, doesn't mean that others should get a free pass.

You and others continue to say the roids didn't help him... Well why do you think he took them when he knew what would happen if people found out? Why risk that much if it didn't help? The only reason he took roids was to be stronger and hit further. You think he enjoys shrinking nuts and a swelling forehead?

Also, people are walking him because they have more respect for the HR record than they do for Bonds. You can kid yourself all you want, but they don't have any respect for him either....

Some legend.... afraid to break the record away from home to avoid the boos....

Thig Lyfe
07-05-2007, 03:14 PM
I would have gone with "BARRY BONDS IS A BIG POOPY JERK!"

DJJasonp
07-05-2007, 03:29 PM
If I was a pitcher...and he's one away from the record....I sure as hell wouldnt throw him a strike.

And I'll say it again...I dont care if he took steroids or not...the guy doesnt respect the game...he's a multi-millionaire who gets paid to do what 90% of american males would give their left nut to do....but yet, he's sad...he's mistreated....he's unhappy.....

Please.

One thing not mentioned......Maybe even more than the steroids issue, I think his robocop-style elbow protector helps his statistics. Easy to hang in on pitches when your inside arm is protected top to bottom...

You're going to see that type of equipment banned sooner or later.

Micjones
07-05-2007, 03:48 PM
Anyone who claims that Bonds has somehow ruined the integrity of the game is NOT a baseball historian. Again... Baseball has a celebrated culture of cheating. You'd be a fool not to acknowledge that fact.

There are dozens of players who were implicated in the Balco scandal who've gone quietly since that story broke.

Bonds is the greatest player to stand on a baseball diamond. Bottom line.

Simply Red
07-05-2007, 03:56 PM
Anyone who claims that Bonds has somehow ruined the integrity of the game is NOT a baseball historian. Again... Baseball has a celebrated culture of cheating. You'd be a fool not to acknowledge that fact.

There are dozens of players who were implicated in the Balco scandal who've gone quietly since that story broke.

Bonds is the greatest player to stand on a baseball diamond. Bottom line.

So long as Willie Aikens never stood foot on a bb diamond.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 04:18 PM
Anyone who claims that Bonds has somehow ruined the integrity of the game is NOT a baseball historian. Again... Baseball has a celebrated culture of cheating. You'd be a fool not to acknowledge that fact.

There are dozens of players who were implicated in the Balco scandal who've gone quietly since that story broke.

Bonds is the greatest player to stand on a baseball diamond. Bottom line.


George. Herman. Ruth.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=ruthba01:Babe+Ruth&st=career

Babe did his damage in 400 fewer games and 1300 fewer at-bats.

Babe's career Batting average is 43 points higher than Barry's

Babe's OBP is 30 points higher

Slugging % is 81 points higher.

His hits and runs scored numbers are almost identical to Bonds, even with being short in games and AB's.

Oh yeah, and the Babe pitched to a 67% winning percentage over 10 years. And won 7 WS titles.

Barry Bonds may be the greatest hitter of the modern era.

Babe Ruth is the GREATEST PLAYER to stand on a baseball diamond.

Micjones
07-05-2007, 04:19 PM
That Bonds is THE greatest can be argued, but that he is ONE of the greatest...CANNOT.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 04:21 PM
That Bonds is THE greatest can be argued, but that he is ONE of the greatest...CANNOT.

That I can agree with.

BTW, how do I get my hands on one of your CD's?

Micjones
07-05-2007, 04:33 PM
George. Herman. Ruth.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=ruthba01:Babe+Ruth&st=career

Babe did his damage in 400 fewer games and 1300 fewer at-bats.

Babe's career Batting average is 43 points higher than Barry's

Babe's OBP is 30 points higher

Slugging % is 81 points higher.

His hits and runs scored numbers are almost identical to Bonds, even with being short in games and AB's.

Oh yeah, and the Babe pitched to a 67% winning percentage over 10 years. And won 7 WS titles.

Barry Bonds may be the greatest hitter of the modern era.

Babe Ruth is the GREATEST PLAYER to stand on a baseball diamond.

Not so fast.
Ruth never ran into situational pitching where he saw cut fastballs, split-fingered pitches or sliders. Not to mention the fact that batters strike out at more than twice the rate that they did in Ruth's day. The average hitter batted for a higher average than they do now. Back then it was somewhere in the area of .280... A full 20 points higher than today's hitters.

And don't forget that Bonds has played in two PITCHER-FRIENDLY parks.
While Ruth played in a park designed with him in mind.

You have to think about who protected Bonds throughout his career...
You also have to consider the fact that Ruth played in the bigs while it was still segregated.

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 04:39 PM
Not so fast.
Ruth never ran into situational pitching where he saw cut fastballs, split-fingered pitches or sliders. Not to mention the fact that batters strike out at more than twice the rate that they did in Ruth's day. The average hitter batted for a higher average than they do now. Back then it was somewhere in the area of .280... A full 20 points higher than today's hitters.

And don't forget that Bonds has played in two PITCHER-FRIENDLY parks.
While Ruth played in a park designed with him in mind.

You have to think about who protected Bonds throughout his career...
You also have to consider the fact that Ruth played in the bigs while it was still segregated.

We could go back and forth all night long with situations like these.

Neither player can help what era he played in.

I could say that if Bonds played in the era of Bob Gibson, he'd need a hell of a lot more armor than he wears now, because he'd be getting hit on a nightly basis.

I'd be curious as to what BB's stats might be if he wasn't allowed to stand on the plate, taking away the inside from pitchers.

Take off the armor, Barry. I'd like you to meet Bob Gibson and Nolan Ryan......

Goes both ways.......

And yes, they are both great players, no doubt.

Sanka
07-05-2007, 04:47 PM
Enjoy watching the greatest baseball player in the history of the game pass Hammering Hank.

Griffey Jr.>Bonds

OnTheWarpath58
07-05-2007, 04:49 PM
Griffey Jr.>Bonds

If he could have stayed healthy all those years, I would agree with you 100%

He's probably my all time favorite opposing player.

PunkinDrublic
07-05-2007, 05:42 PM
I laugh when I hear people bitch about how Bonds is treated by the media. Hank Aaron was recieving death threats every time he showed up at the park and boxes full of racist hate mail when he broke the record. Bonds has been a dick to a whole lot of people and brought this on himself. Bonds is half the man Hank was plus Hank was a better outfielder.

Micjones
07-05-2007, 05:51 PM
Griffey Jr.>Bonds

Sure, if he hadn't become so injury prone.
But as it stands... Bonds is the better player.