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GoHuge
07-06-2007, 10:08 AM
Looks like they are going for the kill. Never heard of a rape stand before. Sounds like something Vick might own.

ESPN.com news services

Updated: July 6, 2007, 10:38 AM ET

SURRY, Va. -- A dozen cars and a U-Haul truck were parked Friday on property owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick in what appeared to be a second federal raid of the site that has been the focus of a dogfighting probe.


A U.S. Department of Agriculture agent stationed at the gate had no comment, ESPN's Kelly Naqi reported.

Television station WVEC in Hampton Roads, Va., is reporting that an investigator told it that forensics crews are searching only for dog carcasses. It also reported that the Surry County Sheriff's Office is involved in the search.

WVEC is reporting crews began digging early Friday in an area behind Vick's Moonlight Road house near two black sheds, where investigators say they previously found evidence of dogfighting.

The house is in the process of being sold by Vick, according to Naqi.

The USDA is the federal agency with oversight over treatment of domestic animals and investigates dog fighting allegations.

On June 7, federal law enforcement officials descended on a home owned by Vick armed with a search warrant that suggests they're taking over an investigation into the Falcons quarterback's possible involvement in dogfighting.

More than a dozen vehicles went to the home early that day and investigators searched inside before turning their attention to the area where officials found dozens of dogs in late April and evidence that suggested the home was involved in a dogfighting operation.

Surry County officials had secured a search warrant in late May based on an informant's information to look for as many as 30 dog carcasses buried on the property. The warrant never was executed because Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter said he had issues with the way it was worded.

The results of that search have remained sealed.

At the time, Poindexter expressed surprise at why the federal government was involved.

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"

A day later, Poindexter said: "They launched a separate, independent federal investigation," Poindexter said of the government, which has had a representative involved in the local probe all along.

"We are just pursuing parallel investigations."

During an April 25 drug raid on the home Vick owns in the county, authorities seized 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment that suggested someone at the property was involved in a dogfighting operation.

A search warrant affidavit said some of the dogs were in individual kennels and about 30 were tethered with "heavy logging-type chains" buried in the ground. The chains allowed the dogs to get close to each other, but not to have contact, one of myriad findings on the property that suggested a dogfighting operation.

Others included a rape stand, used to hold non-receptive dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified to be used by dogs; a "pry bar" used to open the clamped-down mouths of dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting the authorities believe was used in dog fights. Carpeting gives dogs traction in a plywood fighting pit.

Vick has claimed he rarely visits the home and was unaware it could be involved in a criminal enterprise. He also has blamed family members for taking advantage of his generosity. Vick's cousin, Davon Boddie, was living at the home at the time of the raids.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

ROYC75
07-06-2007, 10:10 AM
And the hits just keep on a coming.........

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 10:12 AM
breeding stands are actually for the dogs own protection.
they keep started dogs from hurting one another.

eazyb81
07-06-2007, 10:14 AM
Sure doesn't sound like the feds have much evidence. I can't fathom why they think someone was running a dog fighting operation.



:rolleyes:

pr_capone
07-06-2007, 10:16 AM
And yet Vick is STILL not suspended.

niiiiiiiiiiiiiice

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 10:17 AM
bloody carpet is enough to get atleast an intent charge,then add up all the mills,catmills,jennys,parting sticks ect. someone is gonna get a suspension.

If not the new commish is a fraud.

Fat Elvis
07-06-2007, 10:32 AM
What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick

Hmmm. I wonder if Poindexter is channeling Imus for this interview. Watch it be this statement that allows Vick to get off scotch free.

Bwana
07-06-2007, 10:46 AM
Ron Mexico strikes again.

Chiefnj
07-06-2007, 10:56 AM
The evidence listed is pretty weak.

Aren't a lot of dogs kept leashed outside on chains?

I'm not sure how a breeding stand is proof of dog fighting. Dog procreation, maybe.

An electric treadmill? You can do a google search and see lots of people use electric treadmills to exercise their dogs.

A "pry-bar". Do they mean a crow bar, or similar piece of metal equipment found in every garage in America.

A bloody carpet? Well, with the breeding stand one could argue the blood came from birthing, etc.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 11:01 AM
The evidence listed is pretty weak.

Aren't a lot of dogs kept leashed outside on chains?

I'm not sure how a breeding stand is proof of dog fighting. Dog procreation, maybe.

An electric treadmill? You can do a google search and see lots of people use electric treadmills to exercise their dogs.

A "pry-bar". Do they mean a crow bar, or similar piece of metal equipment found in every garage in America.

A bloody carpet? Well, with the breeding stand one could argue the blood came from birthing, etc.

its enough evidence for an intent conviction.

from what i understand the carpet came from the box.

Wile_E_Coyote
07-06-2007, 11:12 AM
66 good sized dogs, I can't imagine the mess & noise

cdcox
07-06-2007, 11:23 AM
Looks like the local law was not going to press the case too hard, so the feds have stepped in. If they find a bunch of dead dogs on the property, it is going to be all over.

mikey23545
07-06-2007, 11:24 AM
The evidence listed is pretty weak.

Aren't a lot of dogs kept leashed outside on chains?

I'm not sure how a breeding stand is proof of dog fighting. Dog procreation, maybe.

An electric treadmill? You can do a google search and see lots of people use electric treadmills to exercise their dogs.

A "pry-bar". Do they mean a crow bar, or similar piece of metal equipment found in every garage in America.

A bloody carpet? Well, with the breeding stand one could argue the blood came from birthing, etc.

Yeah, it's not like they found bloody gloves or something....

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 11:26 AM
Looks like the local law was not going to press the case too hard, so the feds have stepped in. If they find a bunch of dead dogs on the property, it is going to be all over.

thats the part of the story that really sounded like bullshit. noones ever been convicted over a buried dog corpse.

Spott
07-06-2007, 11:30 AM
If they find a bunch of dead dogs on the property, it is going to be all over.

Unless his defense is that he was part owner of a Chinese take out restaurant.

cdcox
07-06-2007, 11:32 AM
thats the part of the story that really sounded like bullshit. noones ever been convicted over a buried dog corpse.

One wouldn't be a such a problem. But if they find this...

"Later, after an informant suggested authorities could find as many as 30 dogs buried on the property, including seven buried only days before the initial raid.
" http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/06/vick.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

... it becomes a little bit harder to explain.

chagrin
07-06-2007, 11:40 AM
One wouldn't be a such a problem. But if they find this...

"Later, after an informant suggested authorities could find as many as 30 dogs buried on the property, including seven buried only days before the initial raid.
" http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/06/vick.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

... it becomes a little bit harder to explain.

Also wouldn't that justify the Fed's involvement, the number of counts he can be charged with?

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 11:42 AM
One wouldn't be a such a problem. But if they find this...

"Later, after an informant suggested authorities could find as many as 30 dogs buried on the property, including seven buried only days before the initial raid.
" http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/06/vick.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

... it becomes a little bit harder to explain.

Parvo besides in mid june early july those dogs are gone.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 11:44 AM
Also wouldn't that justify the Fed's involvement, the number of counts he can be charged with?

the Feds can get involved anytime they wanna make a push. as someone posted earlier the locals werent pressing,and im sure the hsus,aspca were pushing the feds to take over.

cdcox
07-06-2007, 11:48 AM
Also wouldn't that justify the Fed's involvement, the number of counts he can be charged with?

I think the Feds involvement has more to do with the perception that the local law was not going to press the case very aggressively.

1. Vick is popular in the area
2. The local prosecutor Gereald Poindexter is up for re-election
3. He initially said there was evidence of Vick dog fighting, then contradicted that statement and said there may not be enough evidence to prosecute.
4. He blocked the search by local police because he was "not comfortable with the language"
5. He questions why federal investigators need to be involved and sort of defends Vick in the process.


I think pressure from the NFL and from animal rights goroups forced the Feds hand as well.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 11:54 AM
there probaly isnt enough evidence to convict on a dogfighting charge. unless they catch you in a box or a video/pic turns up i dont think it will happen.

he will probably get charged w/ some sort of intent to fight charge.

Cochise
07-06-2007, 11:55 AM
I read a while back that they thought there might be some kind of a mass dog grave on the property, it sounds like that's what they are looking for.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 11:59 AM
I read a while back that they thought there might be some kind of a mass dog grave on the property, it sounds like that's what they are looking for.

doesnt matter its still not going to get a dogfighting charge to stick.
Go to any mass canine breeding operation/puppy mill and they have a limepit.

ROYC75
07-06-2007, 12:31 PM
Red Rover Red Rover Is buried in the clover............

cdcox
07-06-2007, 03:17 PM
UPDATE:

Court documents filed, Vick not named.


SURRY, Va. -- Federal authorities have filed court documents outlining an alleged dogfighting operation at a property owned by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, The Associated Press reported Friday.



Vick is not named in the documents.


The documents filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond and obtained Friday by The Associated Press contain the address of the home that has been the center of the investigation.


The filing comes on a day when federal agents searched the wooded property Vick is currently selling in southeastern Virginia on Friday. Fifteen vehicles were on the property, including a rental truck and a Virginia State Police evidence collections truck.



According to the documents, dog fights have been sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" at the property since at least 2002. For the events, participants and dogs traveled from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas and other states.



Members of the venture also knowingly transported, delivered and received dogs for animal fighting, the documents state.



Fifty-four animals were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.



The property was used as the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls involved in the dog fighting venture," according to the filings.



The documents said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours. The winning dog would win from "100's up to 1,000's of dollars," and participants and spectators also would place bets on the fight.



Fights would end when one dog died or the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.



During a June search of the property, investigators uncovered the graves of seven pit bulls that were killed by members of "Bad Newz Kennels" following sessions to test whether dogs would be good fighters, the documents said.



Members of "Bad Newz Kennels" also sponsored and exhibited fights in other parts of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey and other states, the filings said.



Friday morning, a U.S. Department of Agriculture agent stationed at the gate on the southeastern Virginia property had no comment, ESPN's Kelly Naqi reported. The USDA is the federal agency with oversight over treatment of domestic animals and investigates dog fighting allegations.

The authorities arrived sometime after 6 a.m. ET.

State and federal investigators concentrated their search looking for dog carcasses allegedly buried somewhere behind the property, according to Naqi. At 1:30 p.m. ET, a backhoe pulled onto the property and began to maneuver by some black outhouses, located behind the main house, and headed further into the woods. Those black houses are where local investigators had found the items listed in the court documents, including the blood-stained carpeting and rape stand.

Portsmouth's WAVY-TV broadcast video of investigators working under a blue tarp on a portion of the property. They were sifting dirt collected in white buckets and clearing brush. Some wore T-shirts with the wording "POLICE."


The property includes a metal gate at the entrance of the large white house and a fence around the perimeter, which obscured the work of investigators.



Corinne Geller, a spokesman for the Virginia State Police, said state authorities were working with federal investigators in an "assistance capacity."


On June 7, federal law enforcement officials descended on the property with a search warrant. More than a dozen vehicles went to the home early that day and investigators searched inside before turning their attention to the area where officials found dozens of dogs in late April and evidence that suggested the home was involved in a dogfighting operation.

Surry County officials had secured a search warrant in late May based on an informant's information to look for as many as 30 dog carcasses buried on the property. The warrant never was executed because Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter said he had issues with the way it was worded.

The results of that search have remained sealed.

At the time, Poindexter expressed surprise at why the federal government was involved.

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"

A day later, "They launched a separate, independent federal investigation," Poindexter said of the government, which has had a representative involved in the local probe all along.

"We are just pursuing parallel investigations."

During an April 25 drug raid on the home Vick owns in the county, authorities seized 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment that suggested someone at the property was involved in a dogfighting operation.

A search warrant affidavit said some of the dogs were in individual kennels and about 30 were tethered with "heavy logging-type chains" buried in the ground. The chains allowed the dogs to get close to each other, but not to have contact, one of myriad findings on the property that suggested a dogfighting operation.

Vick has claimed he rarely visits the home and was unaware it could be involved in a criminal enterprise. He also has blamed family members for taking advantage of his generosity. Vick's cousin, Davon Boddie, was living at the home at the time of the raids.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2927560

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 03:28 PM
whole lotta bullshit in that article.

What were the actual charges brought against the vick camp?

cdcox
07-06-2007, 03:40 PM
whole lotta bullshit in that article.

What were the actual charges brought against the vick camp?

I don't think anyone has been charged, yet. They are probably just filing documents for the grand jury to look at later.

My guess is that they'll make a strong cricumstantial case (bloody carpet, caracasses, equipment, blood splatter on walls) that dog fighting went on at the property and let someone cop a plea to implicate Vick as an active participant.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 03:47 PM
I don't think anyone has been charged, yet. They are probably just filing documents for the grand jury to look at later.

My guess is that they'll make a strong cricumstantial case (bloody carpet, caracasses, equipment, blood splatter on walls) that dog fighting went on at the property and let someone cop a plea to implicate Vick as an active participant.

i dont see this going any farther than the drug charges. it will be a long drawn out ordeal and vick will be linked w/ this case forever,unless he goes O.J.

Dogfighting is a dirty disgusting buisness, and while i respect the dogs and can understand why a certain aspect of social class is drawn to it still doesnt change the fact that it is a brutal sport.

Immaculate
07-06-2007, 04:39 PM
I swear to god if I ever get a clear shot at Vick I'm taking it.

Immaculate
07-06-2007, 04:40 PM
i dont see this going any farther than the drug charges. it will be a long drawn out ordeal and vick will be linked w/ this case forever,unless he goes O.J.

Dogfighting is a dirty disgusting buisness, and while i respect the dogs and can understand why a certain aspect of social class is drawn to it still doesnt change the fact that it is a brutal sport.
Dog fighting is NOT a sport! It's violence. Pure and simple.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 04:51 PM
Dog fighting is NOT a sport! It's violence. Pure and simple.


alot of people would say that but it is absolutely a sport. dogs,cocks,horses, hounds and the pugalistic arts are the only sports.
Everything else is just a game.

bogie
07-06-2007, 05:05 PM
I'm still trying to figure out the allure of Michael Vick.
I think, in the world of NFL he will always be the QB that could have been, but never measured up.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 05:10 PM
I'm still trying to figure out the allure of Michael Vick.


With the blacks its a thug street cred thing. Pure and simple.
With the whites its still a my dick is bigger than yours thing but you dont see the same amount of posturing.

bogie
07-06-2007, 05:17 PM
With the blacks its a thug street cred thing. Pure and simple.
With the whites its still a my dick is bigger than yours thing but you dont see the same amount of posturing.

I just don't think he lives up to the hype. And yet the sports world keeps hyping him.

MOhillbilly
07-06-2007, 05:19 PM
I just don't think he lives up to the hype. And yet the sports world keeps hyping him.
like i said this will be his biggest legacy.

bogie
07-06-2007, 05:32 PM
like i said this will be his biggest legacy.

I 100% agree.

memyselfI
07-06-2007, 05:34 PM
Special place in Hell reserved for subhumans who abuse animals...

bogie
07-06-2007, 05:37 PM
Special place in Hell reserved for subhumans who abuse animals...

Agree 100% with this as well. I simply do not get the allure for dog or cock fighting. To me, it's gross.

Smed1065
07-06-2007, 06:14 PM
IIRC, this will be the third raid. The second was over two weeks ago.

Smed1065
07-06-2007, 06:15 PM
Because there is more evidence to dog fighting versus passing........

Immaculate
07-06-2007, 07:33 PM
alot of people would say that but it is absolutely a sport. dogs,cocks,horses, hounds and the pugalistic arts are the only sports.
Everything else is just a game.
It absolutley is NOT a sport. It's sensless, and cruel.

MOhillbilly
07-08-2007, 12:54 PM
It absolutley is NOT a sport. It's sensless, and cruel.

well youre an absolute idiot.
hows that grab you?

CoMoChief
07-08-2007, 01:19 PM
It absolutley is NOT a sport. It's sensless, and cruel.

It is in the United States. Many countries over seas would say otherwise. It just all comes down to what society has as far as morals go.

DeezNutz
07-08-2007, 01:20 PM
Special place in Hell reserved for subhumans who abuse animals...

Couldn't agree with you more.