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ExtremeChief
04-28-2001, 12:33 PM
I had this sent to me via email...thought you might get a kick out of it...


Bad American

I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack
addicts squirting out babies.

I'm not in touch with my feelings and I like it
that way, damn it! I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang. I think owning a gun doesn't
make you a killer. I believe it's called the Boy Scouts for a reason. I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you'd better do it in English.

I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions. I think fireworks should be legal on the 4th of July. I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than
working at Blockbuster. In fact, if your parents are footing the bill to put your pansy *** through 4-7 years of college, you haven't begun to be enlightened. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God or gods, just leave the rest of us out of it. This also applies to sexuality. Hillary Clinton is a carpet-munching lesbian. My heroes are John Wayne, the Simpsons, and whoever canceled Dr. Quinn,Medicine Woman. I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it. I think global warming is a big lie. Where are all those experts now, when I am freezing my *** through a long winter? I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years in the desert after getting chased out of Egypt, I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you, so shut-the-#$%!-up already. I want to know which church it is exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches. And where does he get his money. And why is he always part of the problem and not the solution. I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry *** if you're running from them. I also think they have the right to pull your *** over if you are breaking the law, regardless of what color you are. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation the world for the next four years. I hate those bastards standing in the intersections trying to sell me crap or trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. These people should be targets. I think if you are in the passing lane, and not passing, your license should be revoked, and you should be forced to ride the bus until you promise to never delay the rest of us again. I think beef jerky could quite possibly be the perfect food. I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents. I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. I think Dr. Seuss was a genius. I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. I believe if she has her lips on your willie, it is sex, and it is sex for both of you. This even applies when she is a fat pig with self esteem issues, and you are President of the United States. If that makes me a
BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.


sorry if this offended anyone...I must admit, the whole "cancelling Dr. Quinn" had me rolling...

AustinChief
04-28-2001, 02:26 PM
I share most of the same feelings (if not all) and I LIVE in Europe now. It amazes me how many Irish (and one Croatian) people that I have met here that feel EXACTLY the same way. I have one friend here from Ireland who is the BIGGEST supporter of the US military that I have ever met. He heads up the local Navy league here!

I#ve been suprised but also very proud of the fact that ALOT of people in the world actually appreciate the US role as "policeman" for the world.

There are alot of bad places in the world that have been made better with or kept from becoming worse, because of the US military. It may not be "right" but people do appreciate it.


--AustinChief

KCWolfman
04-28-2001, 02:34 PM
DANG!!! I thought my name would be attached to this one!

Congratulations, this is me in spades.

Ovations to you Extreme

Logical
04-28-2001, 02:55 PM
Me too, Me too

At least most of it, wish I had thought to create this most excellent thread. Great job Extreme Chief !

To you philosophically politically correct slaves :p

:bigsmirk:

old_geezer
04-28-2001, 03:37 PM
Count me in. This is me, and I'm proud of it.
I've never been "politically correct" and I hope I never am.

Book'em Dano.

Mosbonian
04-28-2001, 03:49 PM
I think the person who got "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman" cancelled should be given the Pulitzer Prize!!

mmaddog
*********

Frazod
04-28-2001, 05:43 PM
Outstanding! That is a thing of beauty.

A few things, though:

1. If the people standing in the street seeking donations are firemen, then I'm in for a dollar no matter what they're collecting for. If these selfless heroes feel their cause is important enough to stand in the middle of the street on their day off, then I'll chip in. The rest of them can go to hell, though.

2. I don't hate the rich, unless they get that way by a$$-raping the universe. Big oil comes to mind. I would like to line up all the top executives at every major oil company and shoot them all in the f#cking head. Then perhaps their replacements wouldn't be quite so concerned about making record profits while I'm paying $25 a shot to fill my damn gas tank.

3. The only cops I see who are actually interested in serving and protecting anyone but themselves are fictional characters on TV. The only ones I see in real life are writing tickets or telling me there's nothing they can do to help me. I recently got a ticket for doing 70 in a 55 (at a speed trap where the duals went down to a two-lane highway). At the time, I was driving my nice, well maintained car (designed to travel at speeds in excess of 55) on a nice, well-maintained highway (designed to be travelled on in speeds in excess of 55) in light traffic and good weather in broad daylight. I called the cop a thief, and I meant it. Getting a speeding ticket under these circumstances is bullsh!t, and is the equivalent of being robbed by a gang member. Like the taxes I pay aren't enough. To top it off, next weekend I have to go to TRAFFIC SCHOOL (an extra $30 expense) in order to keep this ticket off my driving record and not get further screwed by my insurance company (another bunch that should be lined up and shot). I have to drive to some podunk town 90 miles from here and sit in classroom for FOUR HOURS while some moron tells me that stop signs are red. I've been driving for 20 years, hundreds of thousands of miles from one end of the country to another, I've never had an accident, and I'm just wondering WHAT THE F#CK THIS JERK-OFF IS GOING TO TELL ME IN FOUR HOURS THAT I DON'T ALREADY KNOW?

It seems to me that the police we pay to actually serve and protect us should be less worried about robbing us and more concerned about dealing with real crime and real criminals. Of course, there's no money in that.

As for the Roscoe P. Coltrain-type that pulled me over, I hope the radar gun makes his balls fall off. Bastard!

revolver808
04-28-2001, 06:10 PM
"I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry *** if you're running from them."

I can only hope this is not a reference to the Amadu Diallo tragedy. This is a very hateful and ignorant statement about a senseless and unprovoked act of violence against an innocent man.

Mark

revolver808
04-28-2001, 06:13 PM
"I think global warming is a big lie. Where are all those experts now, when I am freezing my *** through a long winter?"

This is a stupid ****ing statement all right. I don't know if holding these beliefs makes you a bad American, but it certainly makes you a person who doesn't wish to see the truth when it's staring you right in the face.

Mark

Moon§hiner
04-28-2001, 06:31 PM
Good one...another "bad american" here, tho before I send on to others I might edit out the Hillary part. Find myself above name calling. All the rest tho, is like someone has been reading my mail.

ck_IN
04-28-2001, 07:02 PM
Extreme - All I can say is <b>Bravo!!!!</b>

AustinChief - When I was in Austrailia, 'Mericans were quite popular if also quite rare. The Aussies are what I like to think we used to be before we became feeling obsessed, tree-hugging, feminized, robot victims. Gawd that's a great country!

Revolver - I'll think about you as I watch the latest episode of Cops, while running my CFC loaded air conditioner, and cleaning my shotgun in preperation to go shoot some spotted owls.

WisChief
04-28-2001, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by ck_IN


Revolver - I'll think about you as I watch the latest episode of Cops, while running my CFC loaded air conditioner, and cleaning my shotgun in preperation to go shoot some spotted owls.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! :D

old_geezer
04-28-2001, 09:13 PM
Don't forget to drive through some wetlands in your Hum-Vee and chop down a couple of trees on your way to the slaughter. :D

Shoot an endangered species? Whooooo? Me?

oleman47
04-28-2001, 09:39 PM
This thread defines the conservative better than any generalization.

Logical
04-29-2001, 01:02 AM
Conservative and D@MN PROUD of it.

You got a gripe with that Donald?

Revolver, prove Global Warming, you cannot, data over recorded history shows fluctuations in the past much greater than what some of these chicken little scientists are basing their "our sky is falling...OUR SKY IS FALLING" diatribe on.

Being an engineer I know never to trust a scientist, he is the guy who will spew a thousand theories until an engineer can make one work for him.

Rausch
04-29-2001, 01:06 AM
'Cause I'm gett'n pretty sick of the same two sides butt'n heads on every issue, of great or NO importance...

alanm
04-29-2001, 06:41 AM
But it's true. Hillary is a carpet munching lesbian. :D

old_geezer
04-29-2001, 07:00 AM
If being sick and tired of the government interfering in my everyday life makes me a conservative then I'm proud to be called a conservative.

Whatever happened to "the government that governs best is the government that governs least"?

oleman47
04-29-2001, 01:48 PM
I admit I do understand the conservative mindset as defined by this thread. But you must read my post which was neither negative or positive, that this thread defines conservaticism better than any generalization. I do not see what was so threatening in that statement. I had previously ran a thread asking conservatives to define themselves when a few general themes were proposed but this thread was much more informative. I disagree with most of it, but so what. I fully agree with your right to spout what you want.

oleman47
04-29-2001, 02:01 PM
Geezer
The Republican party at one time believed the best is least but that has changed. It believes in more government limiting the indvidual and more freedom for the corportion versus the individual. Thus, you have both parties committed to an intrusive gov't.

You must agree that energy is a basic commodity affecting all of us. Bush administration held closed door meetings for contributors to frame an energy policy. Just todays news and it is everyday.

oleman47
04-29-2001, 02:03 PM
Jim
Global warming past and present is a function of co2 levels and a long cycle of rotational wobble. The past does not negate the theory but the contrary. The past is the source and validation of the theory.

old_geezer
04-29-2001, 03:20 PM
Oleman

I have to give you a point on the statement that both parties now want larger government, just for different reasons. It is one of the reasons that I get so cranky when discussing politics. There really doesn't seem to be a choice for "none of the above".

oleman47
04-29-2001, 03:28 PM
Geezer we have common ground. I speak up for I feel threaten by one more than the other and you probably feel the other way!

KCWolfman
04-29-2001, 07:09 PM
Donald - Here we go again.

The only thing the past proves is that the planet warms up on a nondetermined timetable.

You have already expounded your wisdom on the subject - But, just like all the scientists PAID to find global warming, you have no proof it is man defined, that we can stop it, or what causes it.

Again, if you were truly concerned about our planet heating up exponentially, you would walk away from your computer and take a bicycle everywhere. Otherwise you sound like every other liberal whiner on the environment - "We have to change as a planet, as long as you don't make me change as an individual"

oleman47
04-29-2001, 07:37 PM
Russ
Our physical past is not random, chaotic, or nondetermined. We have daily proof of cause and effect. That something is complex and barely understood is not to say it is the exception to what we already see in nature.

I feel your disgust with someone who disagrees with you.

KCWolfman
04-29-2001, 07:44 PM
Donald - You are the king of misinformation.

Please point out EXACTLY where I stated anything was "random or chaotic". Undetermined, means not yet able to be determined. The speed of light was undetermined 100 years ago, it has been determined to date.

There is NO proof to global warming, that is a simple fact. Even the scientists sponging money from our government admit that they have only THEORY.

Logical
04-29-2001, 09:44 PM
Donald,,

Chaos theory is an actual founded scientific theory and now almost as accepted as the Big Bang theory (in other words it is not just a theory mentioned in Jurrassic Park) Chaos theory would basically refute what you said, in that things in history are not random and based on chaos. Instead, it would basically say that from random chaos an order is created. See if you like scientific theory you can find one that backs almost anything.

That is why scientists secretly love engineers, they just stay in the closet on the issue. They love engineers because they know that every so often an engineer will make one of their theories work, and they will get the credit, fortunately the engineers get the real money :D

oleman47
04-29-2001, 09:52 PM
Logical
Chaos mathematical theory and randomness have nothing in common. Even randomness may not be chaotic. Chaos in math also has various meanings. One is that if nature does not conform to a mathematical model it is chaotic, but this of course is not to deny what is really happening, but just that we do not have a formula for it, and the other of course is entrophy, and various electromagnetic laws. The whole quantum universe is at odds, mathematically, with the macro uniniverse and this is sometimes referred to in laymens terms as chaotic.
in short, actual chaos theory is not chaotic.

oleman47
04-29-2001, 09:58 PM
Logical
I am home ground on the Big Bang theory as it has been a many decades fascination. There are many Big Bang models and currently not one of them is close to explaining what we really observe. It has inertia on its side but little else. Anyway, it would not have any bearing on the subject at hand.
We still need engineers to take off with we do know. So keep up the good work.

Baby Lee
04-30-2001, 07:56 AM
I think global warming is a big lie.
I think Dr. Seuss was a genius.
Did whomever wrote this read 'The Lorax?'

KC Jones
04-30-2001, 08:46 AM
<img src="http://www.bartcop.com/perfgop.jpg">

ck_IN
04-30-2001, 09:04 AM
Kc that's exactly what I'd expected of you. Thanks again for reafirming my opinion of many libs; that they're unable to debate with facts and must resort to schoolyard level namecalling.

*saddened by the site of people falling to the level I expect of them*

KC Jones
04-30-2001, 09:30 AM
I thought this was a joke post about what it means to be a 'bad american'. I didn't realize this was a serious debate on political philosophy. I felt my reply was a fair summation of a joke response. Sorry if you were deeply offended by the jest - after all your signature seems so far above the fray.

KC Jones

*saddened by the typical holier than though when it's advantageous conservatism that infects this board *

ck_IN
04-30-2001, 09:44 AM
Lets see, equating a mass murderer and killer of children with a poster boy republican. Ah yes, of course, how could I have missed the humour. My deepest apologies KC. I fear your wit is just too far above my humble midwest conservative mindset. I bow to your superior wit and satire.

As for my signature, I'm looking. Looking closely. Nope can't find it. Can't see for the life of me how it would offend. No equation of violence and mayhem with one group or another. No slander or libel to anyone. Nope don't see it. Methinks you are reaching kind sir.

ExtremeChief
04-30-2001, 09:45 AM
Actually KC, it was posted as a joke...I looked back 6 pages to try to put it under Iowanian's "Friday Goof-Off Post"

I will say that I have enjoyed the responses though...



ahhhhh Politics...

Baby Lee
04-30-2001, 09:48 AM
KC Jones - in my heart, hope springs eternal that democratic governance can make a better world for all its citizens. I would characterize that hope as a moderately liberal philosophy [versus, government is always the problem, etc.].

but it is the litany of inflammatory and caustic tactics used to embarass and shame the opposition, usually without any basis, that has turned me off completely to the democratic party. Calling a mass murderer on death row the perfect Republican may be a joke. But when you place it in the context of the Medi-Scare , NAACP chain dragging, poor wittle girls asking for a glass of arsenic, repub are all racists, repubs are all sexists, repubs are all rich white males, all who aren't are puppet uncle-tom subservient, self-hating, born agains, "how could a brotha," force the elderly to eat dog food, reductions in the rate of growth is a cut, love to pollute, fourth reich, etc., etc., rhethoric, it all gets a little old, and seems a little coordinated.

KC Jones
04-30-2001, 10:17 AM
Taking a step back and looking at this again, I'm guilty as charged.

On a philosphical level I abhor the name calling and partisan bickering. In reality I get sucked in just as easily as anyone. The image I posted below is an excellent example of that. It's just too easy to cut-n-paste sometimes. Please accept my apologies.

I must declare that the name calling is a two way street though and neither party can wash their hands of it. For every 'all repubs are racists' comment there is an 'all dems are tax and spend socialists' comment out there. Fact is both parties are so tied up in the power struggle they frequently lose sight of any basic political philosophy or guiding tenets. They are both tied to interest groups who pay their bills, and they both jump beds to do what they think is necessary to maintain control. In the end, we all lose out from the lack of any real rhetoric (yes, before rhetoric was used to mean 'hot gas' it meant substantive well formed and supported argument).

Iowanian
04-30-2001, 10:20 AM
I would have been proud to have this great post on my goofoff thread...excellent.

I too would like to do my best to stop global warming and environmental damage. I enjoy taking one of my many guns and shooting those shameless deer tick carrying, lyme's disease spreading, field destroying, methane greenhouse gas producing deer.

~nothing like eating some deer meat after a day of shooting guns, driving a 4x4 over protected plants and riding my dirtbike through timber trails...and filling the sky with the smell of gasoline and 2cycle oil....ah yeah.......

Mark M
04-30-2001, 11:01 AM
I received this very e-mail a few months ago and wrote a response. It's a bit long, but here it is:

I am a BAD American. (Yes, you are.)

I like big cars, big guns, and big boobs. (So I pollute the air and waste gas, shoot those who I oppose and make small-breasted women feel inferior and worthless. You must be so proud of yourself.)

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some mid-level governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squeezing out babies. (Translation: As long as I get rich, who cares if there are those who are suffering.)

I don't think playing with guns makes you a killer. (Ask the parents of the kids at Columbine.)

I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. (Since you're not a minority, how in the hell would you know?)

I don't care if you call me a racist, a homophobe or a misogynist. (You don't care because you've obviously accepted the fact that you are one.)

I know that no matter how big Jennifer Lopez's butt gets, I'll still want to see it. (Okay, I agree with this one.)

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac in America, you do it in English. (And if you've had your land stolen from you and your culture destroyed, you do it in Comanche, Apache, Sioux etc.)

I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions. (Forget the fact that it is for the children. As long as your opinions or actions seems right to you, then its okay for everyone.)

I want to know when MTV became such crap. (So do I.)

I know what the definition of "is" is. (yes, I do. Do you know what the definition of "hypocrisy" is?)

I didn't take the initiative in inventing the Internet. (Because you're obviously not smart enough.)

I think that being an art student doesn't give you any more insight than working at Blockbuster. (Yeah, I can just see Monet and Vangoh saying "You know, that new Sharon Stone movie is great" instead of painting such beautiful masterpieces that have enriched the lives of millions.)

I don't want to eat or drink anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the package. (It's your heart ... let it explode, fat a$$.)

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God or gods, and they can do it in their schools. (Not on my tax dollar ...)

I think the WNBA is cool, as is the US Womens' Soccer Team because they kick ***. (Again, I agree with this one.)

My heroes are John Wayne, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan, Norman Schwartzkopf, Colin Powell and whoever canceled "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman". (Once more, I agree with this one.)

I think creative violence and useless nudity and sex makes movies more interesting. (Because you have the attention span of a 4 year old, and you see nothing more interesting than people suffering ... except for the sex part, and then its just the women that usually suffer.)

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. (Because you are rich and could care less about the poor.)

I think global warming is Chicken Little junk science. (I guess the fact that the earth's temperature has risen more in the last 150 years since industrialization then in the previous 1.5 million is just ignored by you.)

I've never owned or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years in the
desert after getting chased out of Egypt. (No, but your relatives probably did.)

I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you, so shut-the-hell-up already. (Again, your relatives probably did. And you trying to silence me once again shows how you can't accept the facts.)

Rocky and Bullwinkle still makes me laugh. (See sex and violence in movies comment, Jr.)

I think you can respect and admire women while mentally undressing them. (Uh, no you can't. Just ask the women whose breasts you stare at while telling them they got passed up for the promotion they deserved.)

I believe a self-righteous liberal with a cause is more dangerous than a 6 year old with a Play Station. (That's funny, I see an elitist, arrogant racist as more dangerous than either.)

I want to know exactly which church it is where the Rev. Jesse
Jackson preaches. (Why? So you can blow it up because you disagree with him?)

I think explosions are cool. (See above)

I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry a$$ if you're running from them. (I guess we forgot about the whole constitutionally mandated trial by jury thing, eh? Nothing like a little government funded oppression to brighten up your day.)

I worry about dying before I get even. (So forgiveness is not part of your vocabulary? Why am I not surprised.)

I like the convenience of buying oranges while I'm waiting at a
stoplight, and I'm pretty sure the Latino girl selling them to me is
glad she no longer lives in a refrigerator packing crate outside Ensenada. (I'm sure she's ecstatic that she can move on up to that roach infested, 200 square foot apartment with no heat or running water in the sky just so you can get your daily vitamin C allowance.)

I figured out Bruce Willis was dead midway through The Sixth Sense but enjoyed it anyway. (Bullsh!t. From your previous comments you're obviously not that smart.)

I think turkey bacon sucks. (Especially for the turkey. But killing the pig is okay.)

I want somebody to explain to me exactly why it's wrong to point out that when I watch a freeway chase, I know the losers the police eventually pull out of the car are not going be honor roll middle-class high school kids but gang-banging losers from
the wrong side of town. (You know that because the police use profiling and just ignore those honor-roll, middle class students as they drag a black man behind their truck or tie up a homosexual on a fence and leave him to die.)

I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a parent with a firm voice and a firmer hand. (So yelling at and beating your children is more important than exposing them to opinions and beliefs other than yours?)

I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement and not a fad. (I guess you can ignore the fact that piercing and tatooing have been around for centuries, all the way back to the Egyptians.)

I like hard women, hard liquor and a good bowel movement first thing in the morning, and don't even think about asking me if I want a rice cake. (I guess you also like venerial disease, a hard liver and a colon that looks like swiss cheese.)

I believe you don't have to speak with a lisp to pick out a couch for
your living room. (Could you stereotype a little more, please? I found my couch with the aid of a married couple.)

I'll admit that the only movies that ever made me cry was
"Sands of Iwo Jima" and "Ole Yeller". (The first, because someone who was white died, and the latter because ... well, I did too, so nevermind on that one.)

I didn't realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I had a kid. (I knew that because I actually remember when I was a kid.)

I will not conform or compromise just to keep from hurting somebody's feelings. (What do you care about their feelings anyway?)

I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how
desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. (So why did you rant on about all of this crap? Sounds like your angry about something ...)

YES, I am a BAD American. I fight crime, and shoot back it's my right.... (To kill someone? Again, good to see you ignore the whole trial by jury and due process thing. Pesky Constitution ...)

MM
~~Hopes everyone sees the humor in this ...

oleman47
04-30-2001, 11:01 AM
KC
Nothin wrong with the post. They only have rules for you and none for them. Save opologies for when you really blow it, as we all do. Quick response time is sometimes is thoughtless, but this is a BBS and your post was not, NOT OUT OF LINE, with the tenor of many comments by conservatives versus others. Actually, it reflected a fairly sizable group of people's opinion of what the Repub party has become.

Baby Lee
04-30-2001, 12:28 PM
Way to go oleman. Point out how useless civility is. Heaven forbid someone take a look around, realize they may have stepped over the line and offer fellow posters a friendly 'my bad.' How in the he!!does that help 'the cause,' eh?

Baby Lee
04-30-2001, 12:38 PM
Besides, if you got your info about McVeigh from somewhere other than a Bartcop placard, you'd realize that his horrible actions were supposed to be some kind of response to the type of government that would allow arrests to be made on minor traffic offenses.

Calling Mcveigh a perfect republican is akin to calling Manson the perfect democrat [after all, he opposed the rich and advocated progressive change]. And to insist on the invective for which KC apologized, even when called on it, demonstrates that your infinitely more interested in caring for and feeding your hatred than having a discussion.

oleman47
04-30-2001, 04:10 PM
Sorry KcJohnny, just got a natural flair for being against rules. Your point about killers is true and not true. Many are politically motivated and for sure McVeigh's was political, (even ti the point of making himself a martyr). Manson did have poitical views but not sure they led to the massacre. See no harm in bring up that fact. Civility is not calling people names, bringing up a contested idea I think should be quite ok.

oleman47
04-30-2001, 04:12 PM
I reread your post. I don't think it is civil and you are a hypocrit which is uncivil of me.

oleman47
04-30-2001, 04:20 PM
Republicans like to have rules for everyone else except themselves.

Raiderhader
04-30-2001, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by oleman47
Republicans like to have rules for everyone else except themselves.


Actually it is the other way around, it's the dems who like to have rules for evryone else but themselves.

1punkyQB
04-30-2001, 04:45 PM
Actually, Manson was motivated by politics. "Helter Skelter" was the black/white race war he was trying to start with the killings.

KCWolfman
04-30-2001, 05:27 PM
In the interests of equal time:


<b>The Democratic Poster Boy</b>
<img src="http://www.crimeweb.homestead.com/files/gacy3.jpg"

We all love kids, in our own way.

KCWolfman
04-30-2001, 05:33 PM
Anybody care to guess who the liberal supporting clown is?

Zebedee DuBois
04-30-2001, 05:46 PM
Wolf, for a moderater, you're not very moderate! ;)

Was John Wayne Gacy motivated by a political statement, I thought he was just a pervert.

For the record, I think both the McVeigh and Gacy posts are out of line.

Sigh...

Both sides are yelling and both are looking more childish!
Why would either side think this type of arguement would win any converts?

1punkyQB
04-30-2001, 06:12 PM
Let's see the picture of Gacy w/Rosalind Carter. That was one of the weirder sights you'll ever see. Small world.

oleman47
04-30-2001, 06:49 PM
Stand corrected, Mason was political, but a race war doesn't sound too liberal to me as was erroneously suggested.

KCWolfman
04-30-2001, 08:35 PM
Zee - My point was that a mass murderer like McVeigh has nothing more to do with the Republican Party than a child killer like Gacy has to do with the Democratic one.

Sometimes the lessons are harsh.

KCWolfman
04-30-2001, 08:44 PM
Donald - Manson used the political movements with youth music to portray his leanings.

While the liberal left does not support Charles Manson, he and his "family" supported the liberal left.

He and his 'family' lived with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys, who recorded Manson's song "Cease to Exist" under the title "Never Let Your Love Die". They were strongly influenced by the Beatles and their message to let the 'oppressed' rise up and strike the right.

The Weather Underground (an Extreme Left Wing group) idolizes Manson. Weather activist Bernadine Dohrn said, "Stabbing these rich pigs with their own knives and forks and then eating in the same room, that is totally far-out. The Weathermen are fans of Charles Manson."

The RAF (red army faction) still uses what they call the Manson Doctrine - demonstrating how leftist battle strategies could be charged with racist views.

Clint in Wichita
05-01-2001, 02:30 PM
When is Bush going to do something positive for this country?

After 100 days, he has made no difference.

Lightning Rod
05-01-2001, 02:35 PM
Hey the site is back up.
How ya doing Clint?