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Ugly Duck
07-25-2007, 09:38 AM
Time to start cleaning the scum out of the White House. Its gonna be a big job, but we gotta start somewhere:

2 Bush Aides to Face Contempt Citations
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jul 25, 2:28 AM

WASHINGTON - Heading toward a separation-of-powers showdown, House Democrats prepared contempt of Congress citations against two White House aides who have refused to comply with subpoenas for information on the abrupt firings of federal prosecutors.

The White House has said that Chief of Staff Josh Bolten and former legal counselor Harriet Miers, among other top advisers to President Bush, are absolutely immune from subpoenas because their documents and testimony are protected by executive privilege.

House Judiciary Committee Democrats, led by Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., reject that claim and have drafted for a vote Wednesday a resolution citing Miers and Bolten with contempt of Congress, a federal misdemeanor punishable by up to a $100,000 fine and a one-year prison sentence.

The panel's vote is the first step on the road to a possible constitutional showdown in federal court.

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/07/25/722992.html

ChiefaRoo
07-25-2007, 09:47 AM
More shit that doesn't make any difference. NEXT!

Adept Havelock
07-25-2007, 09:48 AM
Good, I'm interested in seeing how this plays out, though I'm not sure where frogmarching comes into it.

ChiefaRoo
07-25-2007, 09:52 AM
Good, I'm interested in seeing how this plays out, though I'm not sure where frogmarching comes into it.


Joe Wilson was widely quoted as saying he was looking forward to the day when Karl Rove was frog marched out of the White House in Chains when the leak about his wife became public.

Mr. Kotter
07-25-2007, 09:53 AM
Gosh, I guess we'll just have to see what the courts have to say? Eh?

Same story, different administration.....same old, same old "politics, as usual." I've been watching this same song and dance for more than 30 years now.... :shrug:

Radar Chief
07-25-2007, 10:02 AM
Good, I'm interested in seeing how this plays out, though I'm not sure where frogmarching comes into it.

Know what a frog march is?

Adept Havelock
07-25-2007, 10:06 AM
Gosh, I guess we'll just have to see what the courts have to say? Eh?

Same story, different administration.....same old, same old "politics, as usual." I've been watching this same song and dance for more than 30 years now.... :shrug:

Yep. Here we go again.

Know what a frog march is?

Thanks to the folks at Merriam-Webster online I do now. I suppose it could happen, but I see folks going willingly if LEA shows up to escort them.

Radar Chief
07-25-2007, 10:18 AM
Thanks to the folks at Merriam-Webster online I do now. I suppose it could happen, but I see folks going willingly if LEA shows up to escort them.

Main Entry: frog-march
Pronunciation: -"märch
Function: transitive verb
: to seize from behind roughly and forcefully propel forward <frog-marched him out the door>

Close but more specifically, to get “frog marched” is when the bouncer of an establishment grabs you by the collar and the belt then sends you flying out the door, often opening the door with your head.
It’s called a “frog march” due to the odd jumping contortions someone being carried towards a door by the collar and belt make. I’m sure you can visualize it now.
And don’t ask how I know. ;)

Adept Havelock
07-25-2007, 10:20 AM
Close but more specifically, to get “frog marched” is when the bouncer of an establishment grabs you by the collar and the belt then sends you flying out the door, often opening the door with your head.
It’s called a “frog march” due to the odd jumping contortions someone being carried towards a door by the collar and belt make. I’m sure you can visualize it now.
And don’t ask how I know. ;)

Ribbit. :)

Taco John
07-25-2007, 10:24 AM
Per Wikipedia:

Frog marching refers to the practice of forcibly transporting a suspect or prisoner through a public place, up to and including carrying him/her by the limbs, causing them to be splayed in such a fashion that the person resembles a frog. Unlike the similar term perp walk, which refers to a less forcible transport of a prisoner (who often moves under his own power), the term frog march is used when the prisoner is forcibly moved.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog-march

patteeu
07-25-2007, 10:36 AM
Congress gone wild.

Taco John
07-25-2007, 10:38 AM
There goes Pelosi's blouse!

jAZ
07-25-2007, 10:46 AM
Alberto Gonzalez appears to be up next...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015807.php

07.25.07 -- 12:22PM // link

Alberto Gonzales: Lying Liar Edition
If you didn't get a chance to watch Alberto Gonzales' trainwreck testimony yesterday up in the senate we've got a highlight reel here of all the ugliest moments. It's really worth a look because it is very telling about where we're at right now that this joker can be caught in a series of lies and basically called a liar to his face by the top Democrat and Republican on the committee and still hold on to his job because the president needs Gonzales to keep him and his staff out of the slammer.

Take a look ...

<embed src="http://www.veracifier.com/embed/player" width="450" height="360" allowScriptAccess="always" FlashVars="video_file=http://www.veracifier.com/embed/play/TPM_20070725" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

--Josh Marshall

Mr. Kotter
07-25-2007, 10:47 AM
There goes Pelosi's blouse!

:Lin:

:shake:

jAZ
07-25-2007, 10:52 AM
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_12/news/19538-1.html

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales may have put himself in legal jeopardy with his testimony Tuesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senators of both parties warned, as Members cast doubt on the truthfulness of his answers and suggested he may have improperly released classified information in his own defense.

Judiciary ranking member Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) told Gonzales at one point, “I do not find your testimony credible.”

He suggested the committee would “review your testimony to see whether your credibility has been breached to the point of being actionable,” an apparent threat to consider charges against the attorney general for lying to Congress. (emphasis added)

Cochise
07-25-2007, 10:57 AM
The more they worry about this Gonzalez flap and posturing but doing nothing on Iraq, the less they are doing legislatively and that's OK with me.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2007, 11:03 AM
Weel, it's a start I guess.

But I'd rather see the scum turned out of both branches.
And start all over again....even outlaw both parties.

banyon
07-25-2007, 12:06 PM
Alberto Gonzalez appears to be up next...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015807.php

07.25.07 -- 12:22PM // link

Alberto Gonzales: Lying Liar Edition
If you didn't get a chance to watch Alberto Gonzales' trainwreck testimony yesterday up in the senate we've got a highlight reel here of all the ugliest moments. It's really worth a look because it is very telling about where we're at right now that this joker can be caught in a series of lies and basically called a liar to his face by the top Democrat and Republican on the committee and still hold on to his job because the president needs Gonzales to keep him and his staff out of the slammer.

Take a look ...

<embed src="http://www.veracifier.com/embed/player" width="450" height="360" allowScriptAccess="always" FlashVars="video_file=http://www.veracifier.com/embed/play/TPM_20070725" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

--Josh Marshall

That is some damning stuff there. I don't think I've ever seen someone in such a high position be so obviously full of s***.

Mr. Kotter
07-25-2007, 12:09 PM
That is some damning stuff there. I don't think I've ever seen someone in such a high position be so obviously full of s***.

It's amazing how the marvel of "video- editing" can make one look even more stupid than he is.....

:)

Pitt Gorilla
07-25-2007, 12:18 PM
In that video, Gonzalez reminds me of a buddy of mine who is a lawyer. That was nuts.

|Zach|
07-25-2007, 12:22 PM
It's amazing how the marvel of "video- editing" can make one look even more stupid than he is.....

:)
Lets take the editing out then. Straight up video.

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zxLPeuQUPpY"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zxLPeuQUPpY" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

alanm
07-25-2007, 12:32 PM
The more they worry about this Gonzalez flap and posturing but doing nothing on Iraq, the less they are doing legislatively and that's OK with me.
Yep. I guess they won't worry about their approval rating until it goes under 10% ROFL

Mr. Kotter
07-25-2007, 01:27 PM
Lets take the editing out then. Straight up video.

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zxLPeuQUPpY"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zxLPeuQUPpY" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Well, I just wasted 5 minutes of my life listening to two politicians grandstand....over disputes in testimony, which (despite Schumer's insistence, otherwise) reasonable people can disagree about. However, I can't possibly know for sure....because Schumer wouldn't let Gonzalez answer the question, without interrupting him....or editorializing his own interpretation of events.

Wake me up, when we have an even-handed and fair hearing of these allegations....and then I'll have something to say. Partisan showboating and attempts to frustrate a witness....and to create inconsistencies, are bound to happen if you hound someone long enough. Ask Bill Clinton; ask Scooter Libby. Maybe it's happened again, but Schumer's brow-beating of Gonzalez before the cameras.....is not, yet, clear cut evidence of it.

Guess we'll see; won't we? :shrug:

banyon
07-25-2007, 01:39 PM
Lets take the editing out then. Straight up video.

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zxLPeuQUPpY"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zxLPeuQUPpY" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>


Wow Zach, Kotter was right. Unedited, it is very clear that Gonzales is a paragon of virtue and untrammeled honesty.

Mr. Kotter
07-25-2007, 01:45 PM
Wow Zach, Kotter was right. Unedited, it is very clear that Gonzales is a paragon of virtue and untrammeled honesty.

You'll note I, originally, indicated the video made Gonzalez look "more stupid than he is...."....which, to normal people, would indicate that I don't think highly of him. So in your rush to be sarcastically cute, you've misread my position. Again. :rolleyes:

In any event, you continue with your ideological soulmate retard moonbat chest-bump and high-five endzone celebration, okay?

I'm sure the indictment will be coming in two weeks or so. Jason will be along shortly to tell us what his jiz-buddy Mr. Josh Marshall has to say about it. ;)

|Zach|
07-25-2007, 02:45 PM
In any event, you continue with your ideological soulmate retard moonbat chest-bump and high-five endzone celebration, okay?

You really do love this world you have created for yourself.

Mr. Kotter
07-25-2007, 03:25 PM
You really do love this world you have created for yourself.

It's definitely more interesting the the world that is...especially during the football off-season. Heh.

;)

BTW, I appreciate your heartfelt and sincere response in the other thread. I'll get to it later, when I can do it justice. For now though, it's the kind of response I know you have in you; it's why I find you interesting, and worthwhile to engage--which, FTR, I mean as a compliment (notice, OTOH....other folks who've I've, of late at least, relegated to only engaging....to poke fun at.)

Chief Henry
07-25-2007, 03:48 PM
Yep. I guess they won't worry about their approval rating until it goes under 10% ROFL


There almst there now...

Ugly Duck
07-25-2007, 06:53 PM
Take a look ...

<embed src="http://www.veracifier.com/embed/player" width="450" height="360" allowScriptAccess="always" FlashVars="video_file=http://www.veracifier.com/embed/play/TPM_20070725" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

--Josh Marshall

Wow. These people are in charge of the United States of America. Cheney, Chimpy, Browny, Rummy, Gonzy, Libby... wutta parade of buffoons. Unbefreakinlieveable.

ChiefaRoo
07-25-2007, 07:04 PM
I find the Democratic Controlled Congress to be in contempt of the people since their poll numbers are below 20%

mlyonsd
07-25-2007, 07:52 PM
Wow. These people are in charge of the United States of America. Cheney, Chimpy, Browny, Rummy, Gonzy, Libby... wutta parade of buffoons. Unbefreakinlieveable.

I find it interesting you don't mention Pelosi, Reid.... Unbefreakinlievable.

Get off this board raider puke. :p