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memyselfI
08-03-2007, 09:16 PM
Heading back from our family vacation and couldn't resist sharing a chuckle with you.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/08/03/newt0803.html

Gingrich says war on terror 'phony'
Former speaker says energy independence is key

By BOB DEANS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 08/03/07

Washington — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Thursday the Bush administration is waging a "phony war" on terrorism, warning that the country is losing ground against the kind of Islamic radicals who attacked the country on Sept. 11, 2001.

A more effective approach, said Gingrich, would begin with a national energy strategy aimed at weaning the country from its reliance on imported oil and some of the regimes that petro-dollars support.


"None of you should believe we are winning this war. There is no evidence that we are winning this war," the ex-Georgian told a group of about 300 students attending a conference for collegiate conservatives.

Gingrich, who led the so-called Republican Revolution that won the GOP control of both houses of Congress in 1994 midterm elections, said more must be done to marshal national resources to combat Islamic militants at home and abroad and to prepare the country for future attack. He was unstinting in his criticism of his fellow Republicans, in the White House and on Capitol Hill.

"We were in charge for six years," he said, referring to the period between 2001 and early 2007, when the GOP controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. "I don't think you can look and say that was a great success."

Thursday's National Conservative Student Conference was sponsored by the Young America's Foundation, a Herndon, Va.-based group founded in the 1960s as a political counterpoint to the left-leaning activists who coalesced around the civil rights movement and opposition to the Vietnam War.

Gingrich retains strong support among conservatives and ranked fifth among possible Republican nominees behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, with the backing of 7 percent of those queried in a ABC News/Washington Post poll taken last week. The poll surveyed 403 Republicans and Republican-leaning adults nationwide and has a 5 percentage-point margin of error.

"I believe we need to find leaders who are prepared to tell the truth ... about the failures of the performance of Republicans ... failed bureaucracies ... about how dangerous the world is," he said when asked what kind of Republican he would back for president.

Gingrich has been promoting a weekly political newsletter he calls "Winning the Future." It's available free to those who leave their e-mail addresses at

www.winningthefuture

.net, one of several Web sites he is connected with or operating. Gingrich began writing the newsletter in April 2006, and it now goes out to 311,000 readers each week, said Gingrich spokesman Rick Tyler.


Political salon

At another Web site — www.americansolutions

.com — Gingrich is running a virtual political salon, with video clips, organizational information and contacts revolving around his conservative vision for the country's future. It asks supporters to join in an Internet "Solutions Day" on Sept. 27, the anniversary of Gingrich's so-called Contract With America, a slate of conservative policies he led through Congress as speaker of the House a decade and a half ago.

"What I'm trying to start is a new dialogue that is evidence-based," Gingrich said Thursday. "It doesn't start from the right wing, it doesn't start from the left wing," he said, but is an effort to get politicians and voters to "look honestly at the evidence of what isn't working and tell us how to change it."

Gingrich was interrupted with applause once, when he called for an end to the biting partisanship critics say has polarized national politics and paralyzed the workings of government.

"We have got to get past this partisan baloney, where I'm not allowed to say anything good about Hillary Clinton because 'I'm not a loyal Republican,' and she's not allowed to say anything good about me, or she's not a 'loyal' Democrat. What a stupid way to run a country."

He reserved his most pointed criticism for the administration's handling of the global campaign against terrorist groups.

"We've been engaged in a phony war," said Gingrich. "The only people who have been taking this seriously are the combat military."

His remarks seemed to reflect, in part, the findings of a National Intelligence Estimate made public last month.

In the estimate, the U.S. intelligence community concluded that six years of U.S. efforts to degrade the al-Qaida terrorist group had left the organization constrained but still potent, having "protected or regenerated" the capability to attack the United States in ways that have left the country "in a heightened threat environment."

"We have to take this seriously," said Gingrich.

"We used to be a serious country. When we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we took on Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany," he said, referring to World War II.

"We beat all three in less than four years. We're about to enter the seventh year of this phony war against ... [terrorist groups], and we're losing."


Successful approach

Gingrich said he would lay out in a Sept. 10 speech what a successful U.S. approach to this threat would have looked like over the past six years.

"First of all, we have to have a national energy strategy, which basically says to the Saudis, 'We're not going to rely on you,' " he said.

The United States imports about 14 million barrels of oil a day, making up two-thirds of its total consumption.

Sully
08-03-2007, 09:35 PM
He's invested in our defeat at the hands of the Islamofascists.

a1na2
08-03-2007, 09:43 PM
Yes, you are a troll.

recxjake
08-03-2007, 09:54 PM
ROFL.... getting on a cell phone to type crap on Chiefs message board... wow...

Taco John
08-03-2007, 10:00 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/08/03/newt0803.html

Nightwish
08-03-2007, 10:18 PM
Despite what some of our posters seem to think of meme's medium at the time she posted, it does appear that Gingrich did make the comment, though it does seem odd that the major media aren't running the story, unless they just don't find it newsworthy. But I don't think he means the comment in the same way as others who've called it phony. I call it a phony war, for instance, because we are actually only combatting terrorism in certain arenas, while actively encouraging it (or ignoring it) in other arenas. Gingrich, it seems, is calling it phony as a way of criticizing Bush's seeming willingness to engage in a Middle East peace process, which Gingrich equates to appeasement, at least that's how the articles I found seem to be portraying the comment.

Taco John
08-03-2007, 11:03 PM
Despite what some of our posters seem to think of meme's medium at the time she posted, it does appear that Gingrich did make the comment, though it does seem odd that the major media aren't running the story, unless they just don't find it newsworthy. But I don't think he means the comment in the same way as others who've called it phony. I call it a phony war, for instance, because we are actually only combatting terrorism in certain arenas, while actively encouraging it (or ignoring it) in other arenas. Gingrich, it seems, is calling it phony as a way of criticizing Bush's seeming willingness to engage in a Middle East peace process, which Gingrich equates to appeasement, at least that's how the articles I found seem to be portraying the comment.



"Critics of the concept of "Wilsonian Idealism" say that Wilson only wanted ethnic self-determination and democracy in European countries which were under the control of rivals of America. Elsewhere such principles were ignored. Modern critics, such as paleoconservatives, argue the principles are overly idealistic and can lead to unnecessary military interventions, putting lives at risk over abstract concepts rather than direct threats."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilsonian

Nightwish
08-03-2007, 11:07 PM
"Critics of the concept of "Wilsonian Idealism" say that Wilson only wanted ethnic self-determination and democracy in European countries which were under the control of rivals of America. Elsewhere such principles were ignored. Modern critics, such as paleoconservatives, argue the principles are overly idealistic and can lead to unnecessary military interventions, putting lives at risk over abstract concepts rather than direct threats."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilsonian
Are you saying that's what he meant by it? Could be. Most of the articles I saw seemed to be portraying it as meaning he wants us to step up our military action, rather than draw it down, but then again, most of the articles I saw referencing the quote were from the likes of Newsmax et al., which have an established militaristic bias.

Adept Havelock
08-04-2007, 11:14 AM
Hmmm. No comments from the Gingrich fans on this statement? A few cursory attacks on the poster, but nothing about the content?

I'm shocked. And possibly awed.

pikesome
08-04-2007, 11:18 AM
Hmmm. No comments from the Gingrich fans on this statement? A few cursory attacks on the poster, but nothing about the content?

I'm shocked. And possibly awed.

Is there such a thing? Even when I agree with him I feel like I need a shower.

HolmeZz
08-04-2007, 11:19 AM
He meant that the War on Terror has all the characteristics of a phone.

pikesome
08-04-2007, 11:22 AM
"Critics of the concept of "Wilsonian Idealism" say that Wilson only wanted ethnic self-determination and democracy in European countries which were under the control of rivals of America. Elsewhere such principles were ignored. Modern critics, such as paleoconservatives, argue the principles are overly idealistic and can lead to unnecessary military interventions, putting lives at risk over abstract concepts rather than direct threats."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilsonian

Wilson was a hack and a fraud and probably one of the worst presidents in a long while. He promised the sky and delivered dog shit.

BucEyedPea
08-04-2007, 12:39 PM
Newt Grinch is a conniving snake. I think he just posturing to lull the lost conservatives and swing-voters back into the fold....like a wolf in sheep's clothing. Yup! That's the Grinch I know. Same for immigration with Mr. Peso.

With Ron Paul's rhetoric out there, I say this is what is happening. Ya' know like Bush's campaign rhetoric for a "more humbe foreign policy!" Don't forget The Grinch, who's voted to reduce US sovereignty out every chance he's had, tried to get Paul ousted from his Texas Congressional seat...while talking out of the other side of his mouth saying he respects him. Yeah right!

The Grinch is a member of AEI—War Monger Central. I think I'd believe Putin more.

BucEyedPea
08-04-2007, 12:55 PM
Wilson was a hack and a fraud and probably one of the worst presidents in a long while. He promised the sky and delivered dog shit.
Wilson, also lied us into WWI.
What a stupid, stupid war, ending in a vindictive treaty that contributed to the rise of Hitler, because we can't have a compromised surrender anymore.

The Future of Freedom Foundation had a conference in June covering this topic. Some of the videos are on some conservative/libertarian sites. So they're done from a classical liberal pov. ( original conservativism, paleo-conservative...not the pov GOVT schools give us.) One, a history professor, went into the history of when American began to change it's attitudes on such things.

The change in viewpoint began around McKinley with the SpanishAmerican war and the conquest of the Phillippines—an imperialist adventure in itself. Then Teddy Roosevelt boasted about America being a great power.* But the most famous was Woodrow Wilson who wanted to spread democracy around the world and go to war over it too. He was a left-progressive.


*I'd love to have his face dynamited off of Mt Rushmore and if Paul is ever President replace it with his face. ;) :)

Cochise
08-04-2007, 01:14 PM
Positioning himself as another Ron Paul I guess. I think the strategy is flawed, if that is the case, because the small percentage currently supporting Paul aren't going to end up voting republican in the general election anyway.

Nightwish
08-04-2007, 01:18 PM
Positioning himself as another Ron Paul I guess. I think the strategy is flawed, if that is the case, because the small percentage currently supporting Paul aren't going to end up voting republican in the general election anyway.
Unless by some miracle he actually wins the Repub nomination, which is about as likely as me winning one.

BucEyedPea
08-04-2007, 01:38 PM
...because the small percentage currently supporting Paul aren't going to end up voting republican in the general election anyway.

Versus the small percentage that will vote Republican in the national elections if those candidates keep up with a war message which isn't selling. Now it's time to lie, lie, lie like a good little neocon. Even Fred has sounded more like Paul in some interviews.

BigMeatballDave
08-05-2007, 01:18 PM
He meant that the War on Terror has all the characteristics of a phone.I admit, I laughed at that...
:)

banyon
08-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Why is there a Chiefs Icon on this thread?

Is Carl Peterson somehow involved in the WOT?

patteeu
08-06-2007, 02:14 AM
I think there's some truth to what both BEP and Nightwish say here. I think any politician who wants to be President has to separate himself from the President's policy in some way (either by saying (s)he/d have done it better or by saying (s)he'd not have done it at all or at least completely differently). It's not completely clear to me what Gingrich is saying here, but I suspect that Nightwish is closest to the truth even though Gingrich is saying it in a way that superficially might appeal to those who want to withdraw from Iraq and change the entire nature of the GWoT.

I don't think any of the politicians can be trusted completely until they actually take office and make their decisions. As much as I think that Bush has been far better than either Gore or Kerry would have been, I think his political calculations leading up to election 2004 were less than perfect (calling off the marines in Fallujah 1 in order to give diplomacy a chance and then delaying Fallujah 2 until after the elections, for example).

Having said that, I'll wait to hear what Gingrich's idea of a "real" GWoT would look like to pass judgment on his "phony" comment.

a1na2
08-06-2007, 04:04 AM
Why is there a Chiefs Icon on this thread?

Is Carl Peterson somehow involved in the WOT?


:rolleyes: