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Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2001, 09:19 PM
I dunked (basketball) for the first time! I am 6'3 and could only dunk a baseball or a rock, but I could never dunk a basketball, let alone a girls bball. But I finally did it! Sorry about the post, no Chiefs news so...

CG

realizes just now that this subject is pointless but what the heck...people are talking about porn and what not, so why not share the fact that I dunked a basketball? Hmmm...

ok I'll shut up now :D

Joe Seahawk
05-07-2001, 10:09 PM
Congrats Cody!

I dunked a regulation sized ball exactly twice in my life, both times the same night. I have never been able to do it since!:( I would always jam the front of the rim...

Keep it up and enjoy every last successful dunk..:)


Joe
not sure if I could even touch the rim anymore...

stevieray
05-07-2001, 10:13 PM
Don't feel bad, at 5'11'', I can barely touch the rim.

and they say white men can't jump...:cool:

Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2001, 10:14 PM
Thanks Joe,

I now how you feel, anytime before today, I would bang the ball off the front of the rim, but I don't know why I was able to do it today, but I couldn't do it before that? Probably adrenaline. After I dunked for the first time, I didn't attempt to do it again, I just went on to play Bball. If I try it again, I'll clang it and probably fall on my a55. lol!

Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2001, 10:18 PM
Steve and Joe,

Remember Spud Webb? That guy was 5'6 and he could jam like a 6'6 kid. I have only dunked once, and I'm 6'3, he was/is 5'6, and could do it with his eyes closed...boy do I feel like a goof. Difference? Spud had major skills, I don't.

Joe Seahawk
05-07-2001, 10:23 PM
I'm 6-0 My best friend who I used to play b-ball with every wednesday is 6-4, he could dunk all night long...If it were'nt for him, I would have probably never dunked a b-ball...It drove me frikkin crazy that he could do it so easily!

He had a weak jumper though..:) (sorry John..)

Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2001, 10:34 PM
Thats odd, Joe, I have a friend that lives for slammin down and taking it to the house, but he was not a good jump shooter, he was taller than me, but I could only beat him with my jumper (if I was on) or if I were to where him down, by takin it to the hole. I suggest when you play against someone (if not 5 man, but one on one) if your jumpers not fallin, take it to the house and play for fouls and your free throw shooting should get you in your rhythm. That also works when your playing against someone that has the height advantage.

I beat him sometimes, but mostly because I out smarted him.

Joe Seahawk
05-07-2001, 10:48 PM
I used to beat him with the drive,stop, foul line fade shot

When I started a drive he could never know if I was going to pull up and nail the fade, or drive around him...
(I was slightly quicker than him) The short fadeaway was my bread and butter..Unfortunately, he had an unstoppable hook shot that pisses me off to this day!

We had some good fun games..Usually we were teammates because we played 5 on 5 on Wednesday nights..

We are better teammates than competitors, thats for sure..We nearly came to blows several times on one on one games...:)

Joe...
still sick of John's flying pre-hook elbow...BASTIGE!

Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2001, 11:05 PM
Joe,

As soon as you learn how to block a hook, let me know, in my opinion, thats an unblockable shot (of course it is) unless the height factor comes into affect.

I can shoot a fade away Jordan pretty good (I call a fade away jumper that because...well if you've seen him, you know he is the master at the fade away, so why not change the name to fade away Jordan?) I'm an average baseline shooter when it comes to the left baseline. My right hand is better than my left, I'm an average ball handler (that sounds sick).

Can you think of anyone better than Jordan (or that comes close to) when it comes to fade aways?

Joe Seahawk
05-07-2001, 11:14 PM
Nope...

Dale Ellis had a good long range fade though...

Probably before your time, but "Downtown Freddie Brown" had a very good fadeaway as well..

Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2001, 11:26 PM
Kobe Bryant has a Jordan type fade away. Well...he's trying, lol!. Kobe's good, but do you think he could be as good as Jordan? I do. Evolution knows no bounds. There could be a player that comes along and takes off from the free-throw line and does a 360 in mid air. Why not? No one thought there'd be a 6'9 point guard or a 7'7 center. But, man. Unless they change the height of the basket, or alter the dimensions of the game, there will be a player greater than Michael Jordan, IMO.

Who do you think is the better player...Kobe or Vince Carter? Or who will end up being better?

And what I said in the first paragraph, goes with all sports, not just basketball, but football, etc.

CG

thinks there will be player/s greater than Jordan, Montana, etc.

What do you think?

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2001, 12:20 AM
Bryant isn't in Jordan's league , he's just another wanna be. Now Vince Carter has potential.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-08-2001, 12:44 AM
CP,

We have no idea how good Kobe or Vince will be, but I think that they can be every bit as good as Jordan, or even better. Kobe is only 22 and Vince is 23 (?). They have plenty of time to get better.

And Vince has not played well in clutch games until recently, but Kobe has always shown up in clutch games (see game 4 last year NBA Finals when Shaq got fouled out and Kobe carried the Lakers in overtime scoring all the points).

Vince may have potential, but right now, IMO, Kobe is better.

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2001, 12:49 AM
And Vince has not played well in clutch games until recently, but Kobe has always shown up in clutch games (see game 4 last year NBA Finals when Shaq got fouled out and Kobe carried the Lakers in overtime scoring all the points).




You can't compare Carter and Bryant either,because of the Shaq factor.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-08-2001, 12:50 AM
And remember, Evolution knows no bounds.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-08-2001, 12:52 AM
But Kobe has carried his team before by himself, you can't say the same for Vince, can you?

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2001, 12:55 AM
Evolution knows no bounds

Yes, but players like Jordan come once in a generation. When people start comparing young players to legends, they'll be setting them up for failure.

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2001, 12:58 AM
Yes last year to now

Chiefs Pantalones
05-08-2001, 01:09 AM
I know that, all I'm saying is that they can be better than Jordan. It sucks because he's my favorite basketball player, but there will be a better player than Jordan. What Kobe and Vince and etc, need to do is find themselves, and their own game. Kobe can get by copying other players styles but he won't reach his potential until he be's himself. He should of went to college. UNC provided Jordan the foundation he needed to become a great player. If Jordan would have not went to college, he wouldn't have become the same player. Like I stated, college provided him a foundation.

So I agree CP, no one can live up to that hype, Kobe needs to take it slow. Enjoy life. Enjoy the day. There will be another one tomorrow. Jordan never rushed anything. When he was 21 years old, he was still eating fast food. He wasn't trying to go out and search for the perfect meal, perfect technique, perfect attitude. It just happened.

I've always believed that if you don't enjoy the process of becoming successful, then there is no beauty in the achievement.

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2001, 01:18 AM
I know that, all I'm saying is that they can be better than Jordan. It sucks because he's my favorite basketball player, but there will be a better player than Jordan. What Kobe and Vince and etc, need to do is find themselves, and their own game. Kobe can get by copying other players styles but he won't reach his potential until he be's himself. He should of went to college. UNC provided Jordan the foundation he needed to become a great player. If Jordan would have not went to college, he wouldn't have become the same player. Like I stated, college provided him a foundation.



Cody, you're already unconscientiously comparing the two.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-08-2001, 01:23 AM
What I'm saying is, is that Kobe should have went to college, but you never know, maybe he won't need it, I'm just saying what Jordan thinks.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-08-2001, 01:35 AM
And you're probably wondering how in the world did I know what he (Jordan) thinks. Well, believe it or not, I am being honest here. I had the great pleasure (luck) of interviewing him for my Senior report in high school. Thanks to my Comp. teacher and a few others, I got to interview him via internet. Man was I nervous, I couldn't type. Even though he wasn't in present, I'd think to myself, "holy crap, I'm asking Michael Jordan questions over the internet!" Ok. So its not in person, but this was the second best thing.

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2001, 01:46 AM
I still believe Carter is another all-star away inbeing a Julius Erving/Micheal Jordan type. Too bad the Raptor's let go of McGrady (younger Scottie Pippen type).

milkman
05-08-2001, 04:07 PM
Tracy McGrady is a more complete player than Vince Carter, and will be the better player. When Kobe decides to play the game within the team concept all the time, and stops trying to force things and lets things happen within the flow of the game, he will reach his potential, and become a truly great player.
The thing that will always separate Jordan from these guys, though is charisma and/or class. These kids just don't have Jordan's presense. I didn't like Jordan thoughout his career, but came to realize that his personna was the thing that made him the icon he was.
He would never have been the superstar that he was otherwise.

milkman
05-08-2001, 04:15 PM
I forgot. The best fade away jumper I ever saw belonged to Earl "The Pearl" Monroe. Turn to his right, jump, fade, release, arc, Swish. That baby was sweet.

BIG_DADDY
05-08-2001, 05:10 PM
Milkman,

They are still kids though, you said it yourself. I think both Kobe and McGrady are more complete players than Vince IMHO. Either one COULD make it to that level but it is really hard to tell if either one WILL.

Cody,

I am 6'3" as well and could barely dunk in my senior year. That was 76pds. ago though. I could probably do a baseball still. I will give it a shot with a tennis ball when I walk the dog today.
Good to have a fellow Lakers fan on the board.BTW

milkman
05-08-2001, 05:23 PM
Even fresh out of college, MJ had that presense. Same as Magic, Bird, and Dr. J before him. Kevin Garnett comes closest IMO, right now. If Derek Anderson had the BB skills of these guys, he would be the man with that presense.
It's the way they carry themselves. How they communicate. What they offer outside the lines that separates them.
These guys just don't have that "aura"
If Shane Battier has the game, then I think he will have the aura. But I'm not sold on Battier's game for the NBA level.

BIG_DADDY
05-08-2001, 05:32 PM
Milkman,

They were always the go to guys though. Anyone who plays with Shaq at this point in his career is not going to be the go to guy, not even Jordan. I think that is what some of these kids miss in skipping college ball. LEADERSHIP SKILLS (aura). It still remains to be seen if they will develop it on their own. We just have not seen this long enough to make objective evaluation. (IMHO)

Chiefs Pantalones
05-08-2001, 07:45 PM
Big Daddy,

Some advice Jordan gave me when I interviewed him was "Be aware of being successful, but keep trying to get better."

I think he should give Kobe and etc., the same advice, but Jordan thinks these kids today in the NBA are as bull-headed (cocky) as he has ever seen.