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Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 09:49 AM
I have pretty much always been in the Croyle camp. I liked the draft pick ... i loved the value of getting him the 3rd round. imo he has very good upside and potiential. He's smart,mobile,has a great arm and his intangibles are top notch. We should of played him instead of Damon Huard when Trent Green got hurt last year from my point of view.

But .........


If this offense is gonna suck this bad from top to bottom... from game plan to dropped passes then i'm not so sure i want a young QB with such good potiential destroy by the process.


We should let Huard get dropped kicks all over the field until our offense stabilizes some. How about making the change after the bye week against Green Bay? I would be all for just waiting to see what's up with McIntosh.

I'd hate to see another young QB get destroyed by martyesqueball

Regular Season
Result Date Opponent Time Network
09/09/07 at Houston Texans 12:00 PM CBS
09/16/07 at Chicago Bears 3:15 PM CBS
09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 PM FOX
09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS
10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars 12:00 PM CBS
10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS
10/21/07 at Oakland Raiders 3:05 PM CBS
10/28/07 Bye
11/04/07 Green Bay Packers 12:00 PM FOX
11/11/07 Denver Broncos 12:00 PM CBS
11/18/07 at Indianapolis Colts 12:00 PM CBS*
11/25/07 Oakland Raiders 12:00 PM CBS*
12/02/07 San Diego Chargers 12:00 PM CBS*
12/09/07 at Denver Broncos 3:15 PM CBS*
12/16/07 Tennessee Titans 12:00 PM CBS*
12/23/07 at Detroit Lions 12:00 PM CBS*
12/30/07 at New York Jets 7:15 PM NBC+

DMAC
08-24-2007, 09:51 AM
I don't even care anymore.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-24-2007, 10:14 AM
Peyton manning would have gone 5-17 last night with our offensive line.

Simply Red
08-24-2007, 10:18 AM
I don't even care anymore.

ChiTown
08-24-2007, 10:18 AM
Without some better OL, especially on the Right Side, I'm not sure Joe Montana in his prime could guide this offense any better.

This OL is just pathetic. Outside of Waters and Casey W., it's a mish-mash of crapola.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-24-2007, 10:19 AM
I just have a gut feeling Huard is gonna be named the starter. Then that meltdown may rival the current one.

Woodrow Call
08-24-2007, 10:21 AM
I just have a gut feeling Huard is gonna be named the starter.

I have that gut feeling as well and I'm gonna be one pissed off Chiefs fan.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 10:22 AM
I don't even care anymore.

I'm about at that point.

Carl's M.O. would be to name Huard the starter. I've resigned myself to watching that happen.

Wile_E_Coyote
08-24-2007, 10:24 AM
Huard goes home at night & sticks a steak knife in his calf so he won't have to start

ChiefsFan4Life
08-24-2007, 10:24 AM
I think that the reason a lot of people are struggling with which camp to stand behind is because there are a lot of fans that are in denial of what this team has now become - a youthful team in the rebuilding stage.

If you can manage to convince yourself that this is the case (which it is) and not to expect too many wins and to expect a lot of trials and tribulations, then I think the decision is plain as day - Croyle is the way to go.

If Huard starts we are only delaying the inevitable because we are in denial of what this team is.

Let's let the team build, the youth get more experience, and maybe a couple of years from now we can finally win a damn playoff game.

Woodrow Call
08-24-2007, 10:25 AM
I think that the reason a lot of people are struggling with which camp to stand behind is because there are a lot of fans that are in denial of what this team has now become - a youthful team in the rebuilding stage.

If you can manage to convince yourself that this is the case (which it is) and not to expect too many wins and to expect a lot of trials and tribulations, then I think the decision is plain as day - Croyle is the way to go.

If Huard starts we are only delaying the inevitable because we are in denial of what this team is.

Let's let the team build, the youth get more experience, and maybe a couple of years from now we can finally win a damn playoff game.

Bingo

Wile_E_Coyote
08-24-2007, 10:27 AM
Croyle in the weight room & Huard in the tub soaking away the soreness of getting knocked on his ass several times a game, sounds good to me

hawkchief
08-24-2007, 10:27 AM
I'd rather see Huard get the stuffing knocked out of him for a few games, then insert Croyle to finish the last 10 games or so (if Huard physically makes it that long). Fewer chances for Brodie to have his career ended by injury, or obliterated confidence.

The fans are scurrying off the Chiefs' bandwagon at warp speed. Huard gives them an outside chance to win a game or two early while protecting their "future", what's left of it.

DMAC
08-24-2007, 10:30 AM
Huard goes home at night & sticks a steak knife in his calf so he won't have to startHAAAAAA

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 10:31 AM
ESPN's Sean Salibury said that he would start Huard becuase he is the Vet and he doesnt think Croyle is ready... Then said that he is sure Croyle will be the starter come sept...


I agree with ChiefsFan4Life, I am loving the rebuilding that is happening in KC....

ChiTown
08-24-2007, 10:32 AM
I think that the reason a lot of people are struggling with which camp to stand behind is because there are a lot of fans that are in denial of what this team has now become - a youthful team in the rebuilding stage.

If you can manage to convince yourself that this is the case (which it is) and not to expect too many wins and to expect a lot of trials and tribulations, then I think the decision is plain as day - Croyle is the way to go.

If Huard starts we are only delaying the inevitable because we are in denial of what this team is.

Let's let the team build, the youth get more experience, and maybe a couple of years from now we can finally win a damn playoff game.

Ehh, I dunno. Where's the budding stars along the OL? Where are the budding stars along the DL? Is Croyle the future, or is he the best we have under the age of 30? Our starting CB's are anything but youthful. Bowe looks promising, but is he going to start, and is he the reason we're not looking better on O?

This shit goes back to our OL. We watched our Cadilac turn into a Chevy Nova in a matter of 2-3 years and didn't do much, if anything, to make it better. Case in Point: Kyle Turley is our starting RT :banghead:

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 10:39 AM
If Huard starts we are only delaying the inevitable because we are in denial of what this team is.
not if Croyle gets killed in the process

building is one thing .... destroying a young QB is another.


how much is Croyle gonna develop when every game is full of dropped passed and sacks?

ChiefsFan4Life
08-24-2007, 10:46 AM
not if Croyle gets killed in the process

building is one thing .... destroying a young QB is another.


how much is Croyle gonna develop when every game is full of dropped passed and sacks?

So are you implying we wait to put Croyle in until the team is good? Isn't that called a QB controversy?

Fat Elvis
08-24-2007, 10:48 AM
not if Croyle gets killed in the process

building is one thing .... destroying a young QB is another.


how much is Croyle gonna develop when every game is full of dropped passed and sacks?

And this will differ from his career at Alabama how?

If anything, Croyle is the perfect QBOTF to overcome the adversities he will face in KC simply because of the crappy deck of cards he was dealt in Bama.

He's already been there, done that.


He'll be fine.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 10:48 AM
So are you implying we wait to put Croyle in until the team is good? Isn't that called a QB controversy?
i don't care what it's called


i want what gives Croyle the best chance to develop into our QBoTF.



as you said, we are rebuilding ..... waiting a few games until McIntosh gets back and the OL stabilizes a bit will give Croyle a better chance for success. Just throwing Croyle in there because he's young doesn't make any sense.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 10:50 AM
And this will differ from his career at Alabama how?

If anything, Croyle is the perfect QBOTF to overcome the adversities he will face in KC simply because of the crappy deck of cards he was dealt in Bama.

He's already been there, done that.


He'll be fine.
really?

and where do you think all his 'history of injuries' comes from?


their offense was sucking and Croyle dam near got killed ..... with the bigger and more violent defense in the NFL they will probably finish the job if we continue to suck.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 10:54 AM
really?

and where do you think all his 'history of injuries' comes from?


their offense was sucking and Croyle dam near got killed ..... with the bigger and more violent defense in the NFL they will probably finish the job if we continue to suck.


maybe Herm should do something?

Fat Elvis
08-24-2007, 10:55 AM
really?

and where do you think all his 'history of injuries' comes from?


their offense was sucking and Croyle dam near got killed ..... with the bigger and more violent defense in the NFL they will probably finish the job if we continue to suck.

That's gonna happen to whoever we put back there. Remember Trent?

This is the NFL; people get hurt.

Croyle's quick release is the best chance for any of our QBs staying alive this year.

Cochise
08-24-2007, 10:55 AM
Croyle is the right choice. However, having the worst offensive line in football means we will probably need both.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 10:57 AM
That's gonna happen to whoever we put back there. Remember Trent?

This is the NFL; people get hurt.

Croyle's quick release is the best chance for any of our QBs staying alive this year.
i'm not worry about Huard staying alive


i'm only concern with the long term success of the team .... imo that means putting Croyle's develop ahead of this years team success.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-24-2007, 10:59 AM
They said on the radio last night after the game that Brodie Croyle is going to be our starter

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:00 AM
I agree with ChiefsFan4Life, I am loving the rebuilding that is happening in KC....

Agreed...and im all for starting Croyle.


But after witnessing the meltdown here last night and the Arrowhead crowd reaction, im convinced the fans wont be able to stomach the ups and downs of a first year QB. It could get ugly.


The fans in KC have been spoiled by success. Not playoff success obviously, but in the regular season they have alway been given hope. Its looking more and more like thats not going to be the case this year. This is new for alot of KC fans who started following the team around 89-90.

RedThat
08-24-2007, 11:00 AM
Im with you Laz, I would start Huard this year.

Because then you always know if the Chiefs start off the season really really bad they can always make that change by going with a young quarterback afterwards. In case the Chiefs are poop, they would have nothing to lose by starting Huard, and then making the change to a young QB. Plus, I don't think Croyle is "exactly" ready. Mind you, his cast around him doesn't help.

But I look at it this way, the Chiefs only hope of winning games this year is by running the ball and playing good defense. That realistically is their only hope of winning games. Outside of that, they ain't gonna win games any other way. And to compliment that, they need a QB who they can ask that doesn't lose them games, just simply come in and play a simple game, don't turn the ball over. And Huard did that last year, he did it admirably.

*Im trying to spin this in a positive way by saying it could be a win-win situation either way by starting Huard this year. But, he is the best fit for their situation.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:03 AM
im convinved the fans wont be able to stomach the ups and downs of a first year QB. It could get ugly.


The fans in KC have been spoiled by success.
and just let me say ............. F#CK YOU!


if you think so little of Chiefs fans then go root for the faiders beyotch. 4321

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:03 AM
and just let me say ............. F#CK YOU!


if you think so little of Chiefs fans then go root for the faiders beyotch. 4321


Did you not hear the crowd reaction last night??? and its only preseason. Wait till we lose to the Raiders 10-9

RedThat
08-24-2007, 11:04 AM
Im wondering if McIntosh is gonna make a difference?

Because the way Svitek played last night, geeeeesh he was awful. Im convinced the guy sucks, he should be cut.

Last year a lot of you guys were criticizing Jordan Black? He is 10x better of a player than Svitek is. 10x

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:05 AM
Did you not hear the crowd reaction last night???
i don't care what your reasons are .... if you don't like it then get the hell out.


i'm a Chiefs fan ....... and you just said that i couldn't handle it.


kiss my ass

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 11:05 AM
Agreed...and im all for starting Croyle.


But after witnessing the meltdown here last night and the Arrowhead crowd reaction, im convinced the fans wont be able to stomach the ups and downs of a first year QB. It could get ugly.


The fans in KC have been spoiled by success. Not playoff success obviously, but in the regular season they have alway been given hope. Its looking more and more like thats not going to be the case this year. This is new for alot of KC fans who started following the team around 89-90.


Spoiled by success? They are spoiled because Carl keeps the team on the edge of contention without taking the risk to build a championship team....

We havent experience anything remotely to success... The Patriots have experienced success recently....

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:07 AM
i don't care what your reasons are .... if you don't like it then get the hell out.


i'm a Chiefs fan ....... and you just said that i couldn't handle it.


kiss my ass



HUH?? I think you misunderstood me?? I was critisizing those fans. Ive been a Chiefs fans since the 70's...Ive lived through alot worse teams than this one.

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:07 AM
Spoiled by success? They are spoiled because Carl keeps the team on the edge of contention without taking the risk to build a championship team....

We havent experience anything remotely to success... The Patriots have experienced success recently....


Thats what i was trying to say here:

The fans in KC have been spoiled by success. Not playoff success obviously, but in the regular season they have alway been given hope

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:08 AM
i'm not worry about Huard staying alive

i'm only concern with the long term success of the team .... imo that means putting Croyle's develop ahead of this years team success.

I have to say, this kind of bothers me.

It seems that everybody in the "start Huard" camp, even his #1 fan Hootie, views Huard as some kind of shark bait.

Not condemning it, just seems kind a weird. I wonder how Huard feels about it?

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:09 AM
Croyle is the right choice. However, having the worst offensive line in football means we will probably need both.

If McIntosh makes it back, we won't be the worst offensive line in football.

I never thought I'd see a LT as horrible as Jordan Black, but Will Svitek is him.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:09 AM
Im wondering if McIntosh is gonna make a difference?

Because the way Svitek played last night, geeeeesh he was awful. Im convinced the guy sucks, he should be cut.

Last year a lot of you guys were criticizing Jordan Black? He is 10x better of a player than Svitek is. 10x

I think McIntosh is gonna make a huge difference.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 11:11 AM
Thats what i was trying to say here:

The fans in KC have been spoiled by success. Not playoff success obviously, but in the regular season they have alway been given hope


Hope was clearly erased when we were always out coached and classed in the playoffs...

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 11:11 AM
I think McIntosh is gonna make a huge difference.
One could only hope....

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:12 AM
HUH?? I think you misunderstood me?? I was critisizing those fans. Ive been a Chiefs fans since the 70's...Ive lived through alot worse teams than this one.
"those" fans ...... how do we know who is "those" fans and who is not?

so which fans are you criticizing again?

i mean you said "Chiefs fans" ... which includes everyone on this board.

which includes me



the Chiefs have some the best fans in the world .... smart,loyal,passionate.


i'm sick to death of people trashing my Fan brethren

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:14 AM
"those" fans ...... how do we know who is "those" fans and who is not?

so which fans are you criticizing again?

i mean you said "Chiefs fans" ... which includes everyone on this board.

which includes me



the Chiefs have some the best fans in the world .... smart,loyal,passionate.


i'm sick to death of people trashing my Fan brethren

Sorry, i guess a made a generalization.....my bad.


I meant those fans who were booing last night in the stadium.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 11:14 AM
"those" fans ...... how do we know who is "those" fans and who is not?

so which fans are you criticizing again?

i mean you said "Chiefs fans" ... which includes everyone on this board.

which includes me



the Chiefs have some the best fans in the world .... smart,loyal,passionate.


i'm sick to death of people trashing my Fan brethren


Tell them to stop booing at practice then... We might have to get Alan Iverson to do his practice speach for the fans at arrowhead during preseason.

ChiefsFan4Life
08-24-2007, 11:15 AM
"those" fans ...... how do we know who is "those" fans and who is not?

so which fans are you criticizing again?

i mean you said "Chiefs fans" ... which includes everyone on this board.

which includes me



the Chiefs have some the best fans in the world .... smart,loyal,passionate.


i'm sick to death of people trashing my Fan brethren

You do realize by your reactions in this thread you're doing anything BUT showing you can "handle" something? LOL

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:16 AM
"


the Chiefs have some the best fans in the world .... smart,loyal,passionate.




Every fan, of every team in every city says the same exact things.....








Until the team starts losing.....

Jilly
08-24-2007, 11:16 AM
I don't think Huard fits the team this year. If it is a rebuilding year...what's the better leadership? having a career back up qb or the rookie? I'm thinking the rookie, for the simple reason as they can learn together. It's like having a class of first graders learning to read. Will they listen to the one smart ass kid who sits in the front of the class who thinks he knows everything already?
So, will it suck? at times. will there be mistakes? of course. But they're in it together and learning together. And for the guys who are veterans...they can benefit from teaching and mentoring. Now I'm a novice at this, but I don't think a career back up qb would get that much respect....I don't know.

Fat Elvis
08-24-2007, 11:18 AM
"those" fans ...... how do we know who is "those" fans and who is not?

so which fans are you criticizing again?

i mean you said "Chiefs fans" ... which includes everyone on this board.

which includes me



the Chiefs have some the best fans in the world .... smart,loyal,passionate.


i'm sick to death of people trashing my Fan brethren

You mean the ones that were booing a second year QB playing behind a crap o-line and throwing to recievers who have hooks for hands?

edit: Guess I am slow on the draw this morning....

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:18 AM
You do realize by your reactions in this thread you're doing anything BUT showing you can "handle" something? LOL
you mean i doing something wrong by defending my fellow Chiefs fans?

so what ..... i don't really care


i just wonder how many people aren't smart enough to realize that these broad criticisms of Chiefs fans INCLUDES THEM. :hmmm:

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:20 AM
You mean the ones that were booing a second year QB playing behind a crap o-line and throwing to recievers who have hooks for hands?
but he didn't say that ...... did he


besides ... were they booing Croyle or were they booing the offensive line? was it Croyle or was it frustration with what Herm has done with the offense?

of was it booing out of general frustration?



how are you mind reading skills these days?

ChiefsFan4Life
08-24-2007, 11:20 AM
you mean i doing something wrong by defending my fellow Chiefs fans?

so what ..... i don't really care


i just wonder how many people aren't smart enough to realize that these broad criticisms of Chiefs fans INCLUDES THEM. :hmmm:

Go pop a blood vessel yelling at keg in kc then

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4161532&postcount=24

Fat Elvis
08-24-2007, 11:22 AM
how are you mind reading skills these days?

Incredible.

And no, that natural male enhancement you are considering isn't going to help you.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:23 AM
Go pop a blood vessel yelling at keg in kc then

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4161532&postcount=24
hehe ... don't need to

i've been around a long time .... i know bashes the fans at first opportunity and who doesn't.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:24 AM
Incredible.

And no, that natural male enhancement you are considering isn't going to help you.
hehe

that doesn't make much sense .. but it's kinda funny

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:24 AM
i'm sick to death of people trashing my Fan brethren

SOME of our fan brethren DESERVE to be trashed.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:26 AM
SOME of our fan brethren DESERVE to be trashed.
some being the key word



*i knew you couldn't stay away for long :p *

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:27 AM
i just wonder how many people aren't smart enough to realize that these broad criticisms of Chiefs fans INCLUDES THEM. :hmmm:

ROFL

You're sick to death of seeing your fellow fans trashed, and then you go on to say they're too stupid to realize they're being trashed.

I wonder how many of them ARE smart enough to realize that when we say the fans booing last night only includes the fans that were ACTUALLY BOOING.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:28 AM
but he didn't say that ...... did he

It was plainly and obviously inferred.

You're looking for a fight where one doesn't exist.

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:28 AM
Look Laz, sorry if i made you mad. But just look at how much people are overreacting already (not everyone, but alot) and its only preseason!


All along, ive been for starting Croyle and all the young players: Bowe, Tank, Turk, etc..


Are they going to make mistakes? Hell yes they will, but thats how they grow and learn. I just wish everyone was a little more patient, but i do understand the frustration. People are tired of Carls 35 year plan.

MGRS13
08-24-2007, 11:28 AM
This is not a good team. Starting Huard just delays the rebuilding yet another year. Give Croyle the ball and see what he can do for a season. This team is going to finish in last place with Huard or Croyle so you might as well let Croyle gain some experience. Any body that thinks starting Huard is going to bump this team into the playoffs isn't paying attention. This team has MAJOR holes on the O line, only one real proven weapon in the passing game and a running back who will be facing 11 guys in the box all year. Not to mention a defense that was less then steller last night, and really even if they are great they will be on the field so much they will be wore out by halftime. Look just be positive about what we can-sure we are going to suck ALOT this year but come feb. 08 we will either have our QBOTF or be in great position to draft one with the #1 pick in the draft.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:32 AM
ROFL

You're sick to death of seeing your fellow fans trashed, and then you go on to say they're too stupid to realize they're being trashed.

I wonder how many of them ARE smart enough to realize that when we say the fans booing last night only includes the fans that were ACTUALLY BOOING.
as usual ... your reading skills are selective at best

i said "i wonder how many ......" i didn't say any ARE stupid


that pretty much leaves it up to a judgement on each individual case.


but keep trying, Mr. Spinmeister.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:36 AM
Look Laz, sorry if i made you mad. But just look at how much people are overreacting already (not everyone, but alot) and its only preseason!


All along, ive been for starting Croyle and all the young players: Bowe, Tank, Turk, etc..


Are they going to make mistakes? Hell yes they will, but thats how they grow and learn. I just wish everyone was a little more patient, but i do understand the frustration. People are tired of Carls 35 year plan.
you're fine, i'm just more irritated than anything.

i'll move on ... forgive and forget after leaving this thread. :)


Chiefs fans broadly trashing Chiefs nation?!? :eek: :shrug:


don't we have enough problems with the general media then to kick each other in the groin all the time?

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:38 AM
Chiefs fans broadly trashing Chiefs nation?!? :eek: :shrug:


don't we have enough problems with the general media then to kick each other in the groin all the time?

Agreed. Ill try and word myself a little better next time.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:39 AM
as usual ... your reading skills are selective at best

i said "i wonder how many ......" i didn't say any ARE stupid


that pretty much leaves it up to a judgement on each individual case.


but keep trying, Mr. Spinmeister.

If that were the case, why did you say it?

You said you wonder HOW MANY aren't smart enough. That would imply that some ARE indeed not smart enough.

You made the EXACT SAME verbiage mistake you chastised Deberg for making.

El Jefe
08-24-2007, 11:40 AM
I don't even care anymore.


Dito

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:43 AM
Agreed. Ill try and word myself a little better next time.
:clap: :thumb:


if we don't support "us" then what are Peter King, and all those other bums, gonna do?

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:46 AM
:clap: :thumb:

if we don't support "us" then what are Peter King, and all those other bums, gonna do?

It is unfortunate.

We need to win a SUPER BOWL!!! :D

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 11:46 AM
You made the EXACT SAME verbiage mistake you chastised Deberg for making.
not even remotely

Chiefs fans are spoiled = ALL
wonder how many Chiefs fans = completely amount unspecific

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 11:51 AM
not even remotely

Chiefs fans are spoiled = ALL
wonder how many Chiefs fans = completely amount unspecific

inferred, inferred, inferred

the Talking Can
08-24-2007, 11:55 AM
Last night's meltdown has made me realize that Carl really is a genious.

He's given Chiefs fans exactly what they want: 9-7 forever...a little bit of hope married to the least amount of risk.

And now, having not even played one regular season game, the Croyle experiment is over. KCJohnny was here last night telling us that Terrell is our best QB and that Croyle is our 4th best.

Fans peeing themselves everywhere. Flooding Carl's voicemail with frantic cries for Huard and 9-7..."Please, Carl!! Huard...9-7...save us!."

Carl understands that in the deepest part of Chief Fan's heart there is a mortal fear of risk, of the unknown. We don't really deserve our own QB, that's something other Franchises get.

So adios Brodie. You had more than enough time in your 50 preseason snaps for us to pass judgment on you and find you wanting. But take heart! You got 49 more snaps more than any other "QBOTF" in Chiefs history.

And now we will wait until we have a great OL...whenever the **** that is. And then, with a great OL we will draft another QB - but only if we have great WRs!...we must have a great OL and great WRs. And in the meantime we have Huard. Next year we can sign another Vet backup QB a la Grbac, a la Green, a la Gannon, a la Huard. They will pacify us with the warm and familiar 9-7 until the perfect moment - that moment when everyone is great and talented and healthy, and that moment will be........

jjchieffan
08-24-2007, 11:55 AM
Its really hard to say which way to go. David Carr was ruined by a terrible offense, but it was over several years. Not one bad year. Look at Troy Aikman (1-15), and Peyton Manning (3-13). Not only did they survive one bad year, they bounced back, and both won superbowls. One is in the hall of Fame, and the other will be. Give Croyle the start, he will survive, and we will draft a top 5 OL to protect him next year.

Cochise
08-24-2007, 11:56 AM
If we did go with Huard, it would be hard for me to be interested in this team at all this year.

It would just be an admission that we might be sort of committed to the future, but not all that committed to the future. That Carl and the rest of the regime still, after 20 years, haven't learned the lesson that we can't keep going through this cycle of mediocrity where we just add a couple players, call it a 'reload', and then try to make the playoffs again.

If we are committed to winning a championship now would be the time to prove it. Winning 8 games this year instead of 4-5-6 gets us not one inch closer to a Super Bowl championship.

Deberg_1990
08-24-2007, 11:58 AM
Last night's meltdown has made me realize that Carl really is a genious.

He's given Chiefs fans exactly what they want: 9-7 forever...a little bit of hope married to the least amount of risk.

And now, having not even played one regular season game, the Croyle experiment is over. KCJohnny was here last night telling us that Terrell is our best QB and that Croyle is our 4th best.

Fans peeing themselves everywhere. Flooding Carl's voicemail with frantic cries for Huard and 9-7..."Please, Carl!! Huard...9-7...save us!."

Carl understands that in the deepest part of Chief Fan's heart there is a mortal fear of risk, of the unknown. We don't really deserve our own QB, that's something other Franchises get.

So adios Brodie. You had more than enough time in your 50 preseason snaps for us to pass judgment on you and find you wanting. But take heart! You got 49 more snaps more than any other "QBOTF" in Chiefs history.

And now we will wait until we have a great OL...whenever the **** that is. And then, with a great OL we will draft another QB - but only if we have great WRs!...we must have a great OL and great WRs. And in the meantime we have Huard. Next year we can sign another Vet backup QB a la Grbac, a la Green, a la Gannon, a la Huard. They will pacify us with the warm and familiar 9-7 until the perfect moment - that moment when everyone is great and talented and healthy, and that moment will be........

hahaha...Brilliant.

Demonpenz
08-24-2007, 12:00 PM
I would rather be in it every year because once you get in the big dance anything can happen. Look at the colts ravens and the bucs over the last couple years. They didn't set atchison on fire, but they went out and won anyway

siberian khatru
08-24-2007, 12:01 PM
And now we will wait until we have a great OL...whenever the **** that is. And then, with a great OL we will draft another QB - but only if we have great WRs!...we must have a great OL and great WRs. And in the meantime we have Huard. Next year we can sign another Vet backup QB a la Grbac, a la Green, a la Gannon, a la Huard. They will pacify us with the warm and familiar 9-7 until the perfect moment - that moment when everyone is great and talented and healthy, and that moment will be........

Heh.

We will only play a QBOTF when the rest of the offense is ready to win. But then, we can't afford to start a young'un, can we? We'll need a veteran back there to maximize that great OL and WRs. Why waste all that talent with someone who doesn't know what he's doing?

Vicious circle, ain't it?

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 12:03 PM
inferred, inferred, inferred
in the mind of Parker,Parker,Parker




Blondes are airheads and Jennifer is Blonde

Jennifer must be an airhead



I wonder how many Blondes are airheads?

Jennifer is a Blonde

Jennifer may or may not be an airhead

the Talking Can
08-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Heh.

We will only play a QBOTF when the rest of the offense is ready to win. But then, we can't afford to start a young'un, can we? We'll need a veteran back there to maximize that great OL and WRs. Why waste all that talent with someone who doesn't know what he's doing?

Vicious circle, ain't it?

it's a convenient trap, yes....

Demonpenz
08-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Some people are married to the idea that croyle is this young stud that we won't go with. This isn't a 6'6 250 stud drafted in the first round. This is a guy with bad knees, bad mobility, and a worse haircut.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 12:12 PM
Last night's meltdown has made me realize that Carl really is a genious.

He's given Chiefs fans exactly what they want: 9-7 forever...a little bit of hope married to the least amount of risk.

And now, having not even played one regular season game, the Croyle experiment is over. KCJohnny was here last night telling us that Terrell is our best QB and that Croyle is our 4th best.

Fans peeing themselves everywhere. Flooding Carl's voicemail with frantic cries for Huard and 9-7..."Please, Carl!! Huard...9-7...save us!."

Carl understands that in the deepest part of Chief Fan's heart there is a mortal fear of risk, of the unknown. We don't really deserve our own QB, that's something other Franchises get.

So adios Brodie. You had more than enough time in your 50 preseason snaps for us to pass judgment on you and find you wanting. But take heart! You got 49 more snaps more than any other "QBOTF" in Chiefs history.

And now we will wait until we have a great OL...whenever the **** that is. And then, with a great OL we will draft another QB - but only if we have great WRs!...we must have a great OL and great WRs. And in the meantime we have Huard. Next year we can sign another Vet backup QB a la Grbac, a la Green, a la Gannon, a la Huard. They will pacify us with the warm and familiar 9-7 until the perfect moment - that moment when everyone is great and talented and healthy, and that moment will be........


Wow! that was brilliant! Outstanding....

HypnotizedMonkey
08-24-2007, 12:24 PM
Nobody runs for his life better than Casey Printers. It's a shame this dude fumbles so much. KC's garbage offensive line is not going to do Huard's wagon wheels any good. Brodie Croyle is obviously not ready to win football games... his receivers dont help him much either. I think all 3 of these guys will lead KC to a losing record. I was pulling for Croyle.. and Huard is probably best choice.. but I wanna see Printers.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 12:57 PM
in the mind of Parker,Parker,Parker

Blondes are airheads and Jennifer is Blonde

Jennifer must be an airhead

I wonder how many Blondes are airheads?

Jennifer is a Blonde

Jennifer may or may not be an airhead

I'm done fighting about it, but your analysis is flawed.

You wouldn't be wondering HOW MANY blondes are airheads if you hadn't already MADE THE ASSUMPTION that at least SOME are.

There is NO WAY to wonder how many Chiefs fans aren't smart enough and simultaneously say that NO fans aren't smart enough.

CoMoChief
08-24-2007, 01:01 PM
It's come down to Herm and Carl. Herm is gonna want to start Croyle and take the losses and bumps and bruises and Carl knows that Huard will be more fit to win more games. I don't think Carl would sacrifice having a 5 or less win season just to break in a QB. He's never done that and I don't think it will change. It will be a matter of time before Carl puts his foot down and demand Huard being the starter considering what he did last season.

Rick
08-24-2007, 01:02 PM
Peyton manning would have gone 5-17 last night with our offensive line.

Croyle wasn't touched on any of his 3 interceptions so far this year.

CoMoChief
08-24-2007, 01:04 PM
Croyle wasn't touched on any of his 3 interceptions so far this year.
One he did scramble for his life, did a circus twist and then wung it down the field to that invisible WR.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 01:06 PM
Croyle wasn't touched on any of his 3 interceptions so far this year.

On his first INT against Cleveland he wasn't touched because he made a hell of a move to get away from pressure.

Don't be disingenuous here.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 01:09 PM
On his first INT against Cleveland he wasn't touched because he made a hell of a move to get away from pressure.

Don't be disingenuous here.
besides ..... while his interceptions are a problem, they aren't THE problem.

he's young ... he'll make some mistakes


the problem is the complete lack of effectiveness of the offense and whether it will hurt Croyle's development.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 01:12 PM
besides ..... while his interceptions are a problem, they aren't THE problem.

he's young ... he'll make some mistakes

the problem is the complete lack of effectiveness of the offense and whether it will hurt Croyle's development.

I'm am 100% serious when I think ALOT of his mistakes are coming from the fact that he's pressing too hard trying to beat out Huard...

Chris Meck
08-24-2007, 01:12 PM
First off, Croyle looks pretty mobile to me. Not like Vick mobile, but he's pretty nimble. He eludes pretty well, and can throw on the run.

Second, I counted about 5 dropped passes and three throwaways. I'm talkin'-hit the guy in the hands and he dropped it-type drops. That makes the stat line ugly, but it's not like he was a wildly inaccurate 5 of 17. He should've been more like 10 of 17. And three out of bounds throws.

just sayin.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 01:14 PM
I'm am 100% serious when I think ALOT of his mistakes are coming from the fact that he's pressing too hard trying to beat out Huard...


I tend to agree with you on this one...

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 01:43 PM
I'm am 100% serious when I think ALOT of his mistakes are coming from the fact that he's pressing too hard trying to beat out Huard...
and i guess my point is that Croyle isn't the problem at all. He will get better etc.

i more worry about the rest of the offense ... which i'm not so sure will get much better.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 01:45 PM
and i guess my point is that Croyle isn't the problem at all. He will get better etc.

i more worry about the rest of the offense ... which i'm not so sure will get much better.

If McIntosh comes back healthy, I think he's a significant upgrade over Svitek.

That alone might be the spark to make the offense considerably better.

But it all hinges on that.

dirk digler
08-24-2007, 01:53 PM
and i guess my point is that Croyle isn't the problem at all. He will get better etc.

i more worry about the rest of the offense ... which i'm not so sure will get much better.

There maybe some truth to that Laz and I believe the lack of a running game is hurting this team big time.

It will be interesting to see what happens next week when LJ comes back but the O-Line needs to block better especially running the ball.

I heard a Herm quote this afternoon saying that teams are going to stack 8-9 in the box to force the Chiefs to throw so the QB is going to have step up and complete some passes and not turn the ball over.

crazycoffey
08-24-2007, 01:55 PM
NO, don't start Huard.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 01:56 PM
I heard a Herm quote this afternoon saying that teams are going to stack 8-9 in the box to force the Chiefs to throw so the QB is going to have step up and complete some passes and not turn the ball over.

Herm is a dumb shit sometimes.. How about calling out the WR's for failing to catch the ball when it hits them in the numbers? Or for failing to get any seperation at all from the DB's....

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 01:57 PM
NO, don't start Huard.


What ever IT is, you can tell by watching Croyle, he has IT....

dirk digler
08-24-2007, 02:09 PM
Herm is a dumb shit sometimes.. How about calling out the WR's for failing to catch the ball when it hits them in the numbers? Or for failing to get any seperation at all from the DB's....

All 3 of Croyle's INT were bad decisions it had nothing to do with WR's dropping passes.

Herm said last night that the QB can't block or catch the ball so he isn't laying it all on the QB.

Q: Evaluate Brodie Croyleís performance?

EDWARDS: ďHe struggled some but he didnít get any help either. He canít catch the ball; he canít block. Thatís not all on the quarterback. Now, the quarterback has to make some plays. He got hit early and has now turned the ball over in [three games.] You canít turn the ball over. Weíve got a good group of veteran guys on offense that have played a lot of football games. But weíre not functioning very well on offense. Weíve got no rhythm; canít seem to get any rhythm going. We donít have enough plays. I think the first series we had eight plays and the next drive six plays. After that it just kind of went away. We never got anything going.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 02:12 PM
All 3 of Croyle's INT were bad decisions it had nothing to do with WR's dropping passes.

Herm said last night that the QB can't block or catch the ball so he isn't laying it all on the QB.

Croyle's first INT was a bad decision, AFTER being chased out of the pocket because the LT couldn't block my grandma.

Croyle's second INT was a bad decision.

Croyle's third INT was an OBVIOUS miscommunication between him and Kennison and it's quite possible Kennison ran the wrong route.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 02:12 PM
All 3 of Croyle's INT were bad decisions it had nothing to do with WR's dropping passes.

Herm said last night that the QB can't block or catch the ball so he isn't laying it all on the QB.

Missed that part.. what just going by what the other guy said...

Sorry...

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 02:15 PM
There maybe some truth to that Laz and I believe the lack of a running game is hurting this team big time.

It will be interesting to see what happens next week when LJ comes back but the O-Line needs to block better especially running the ball.

I heard a Herm quote this afternoon saying that teams are going to stack 8-9 in the box to force the Chiefs to throw so the QB is going to have step up and complete some passes and not turn the ball over.
teams are gonna stack the box because it's martyball-esque


why wouldn't you stack the box if you know the coach lives for run,run,pass,punt.

Reerun_KC
08-24-2007, 02:19 PM
teams are gonna stack the box because it's martyball-esque


why wouldn't you stack the box if you know the coach lives for run,run,pass,punt.


bingo....

There isnt any great mystery in figuring out Herms offense...

El Jefe
08-24-2007, 02:21 PM
Start Huard and we will average at least 10 fumbles a game.

Logical
08-24-2007, 02:41 PM
Marty never destroyed a young QB by playing him, he destroyed them by never allowing them to play.

Logical
08-24-2007, 02:46 PM
If McIntosh comes back healthy, I think he's a significant upgrade over Svitek.

That alone might be the spark to make the offense considerably better.

But it all hinges on that.McIntosh might be better than Svitek, hey he cannot be worse, but I don't believe he is that much better and probably about as bad as Jordan Black was last year. What really is important is that we are not game planning to work around the offensive lines weaknesses. Solari/Herm stink when it comes to offensive game planning.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 02:48 PM
McIntosh might be better than Svitek, hey he cannot be worse, but I don't believe he is that much better and probably about as bad as Jordan Black was last year. What really is important is that we are not game planning to work around the offensive lines weaknesses. Solari/Herm stink when it comes to offensive game planning.

Black = 13.5 sacks

McIntosh = 5.5 sacks

Yeah, McIntosh isn't much better...

MGRS13
08-24-2007, 02:53 PM
Croyle's first INT was a bad decision, AFTER being chased out of the pocket because the LT couldn't block my grandma.

Croyle's second INT was a bad decision.

Croyle's third INT was an OBVIOUS miscommunication between him and Kennison and it's quite possible Kennison ran the wrong route.
Dude I agree completly with you that Croyle should start, I even feel as passionately as you do but............you have to stop the excuses for him. Just say "yes he is going to make mistakes but he is our best option." The idea that Kennison is sandbagging Croyle is silly, it's also silly to say he's just trying to hard to "win" the job. He's young and raw hes going to make mistakes we as fans just have to ride it out, but you have got to stop with the conspiracy theorys. I am with you on the Croyle bandwagon but lets just face the facts that we don't know as of yet what we have.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 02:56 PM
Dude I agree completly with you that Croyle should start, I even feel as passionately as you do but............you have to stop the excuses for him. Just say "yes he is going to make mistakes but he is our best option." The idea that Kennison is sandbagging Croyle is silly, it's also silly to say he's just trying to hard to "win" the job. He's young and raw hes going to make mistakes we as fans just have to ride it out, but you have got to stop with the conspiracy theorys. I am with you on the Croyle bandwagon but lets just face the facts that we don't know as of yet what we have.

Those aren't excuses, they're reasons.

crazycoffey
08-24-2007, 02:58 PM
Black = 13.5 sacks

McIntosh = 5.5 sacks

Yeah, McIntosh isn't much better...



*[whack!]*
Yeah! Smack that ass, smack it!

MGRS13
08-24-2007, 02:59 PM
Those aren't excuses, they're reasons.
You really believe Kennison is throwing him under the bus?

Mr. Flopnuts
08-24-2007, 03:00 PM
Eddie Kennison has been playing for how long? With the Chiefs how long? He could've run the wrong route, but I think it's much more likely Brodie is still learning.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 03:03 PM
You really believe Kennison is throwing him under the bus?

No. I said as much.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 03:06 PM
Eddie Kennison has been playing for how long? With the Chiefs how long? He could've run the wrong route, but I think it's much more likely Brodie is still learning.

Other than Samie Parker, all of the other WR's on the field have been with the team less than 18 months. Are you suggesting that ALL of them ran the wrong routes, and that Brodie just happened to make a mistake but the SAME mistake they made?

There were 3 obvious instances where the QB and WR were on a different page, including the INT. All 3 were with Kennison.

ChiefsCountry
08-24-2007, 03:11 PM
Other than Samie Parker, all of the other WR's on the field have been with the team less than 18 months. Are you suggesting that ALL of them ran the wrong routes, and that Brodie just happened to make a mistake but the SAME mistake they made?

There were 3 obvious instances where the QB and WR were on a different page, including the INT. All 3 were with Kennison.

I had a friend at the game last night whos seats were in that area, he called me and asked if on tv it looked like it was Kennison's fault bc he said live it sure did.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 03:13 PM
Look, I'm not trying to make excuses.

Excuses are made to absolve someone of blame.

There's no absolving Croyle, he's absolutely made mistakes.

But there's a REASON he's making those mistakes, and there's also 10 other guys on the field with him that contribute to said mistakes.

crazycoffey
08-24-2007, 03:16 PM
Look, I'm not trying to make excuses.

Excuses are made to absolve someone of blame.

There's no absolving Croyle, he's absolutely made mistakes.

But there's a REASON he's making those mistakes, and there's also 10 other guys on the field with him that contribute to said mistakes.




exactly,
just three of the drops are caught and his rating looks better and so does his review from us "critics" Give us on more OL man that can substract - oh - maybe .5 seconds from the pass rush and it looks different.

MGRS13
08-24-2007, 03:17 PM
Other than Samie Parker, all of the other WR's on the field have been with the team less than 18 months. Are you suggesting that ALL of them ran the wrong routes, and that Brodie just happened to make a mistake but the SAME mistake they made?

There were 3 obvious instances where the QB and WR were on a different page, including the INT. All 3 were with Kennison.
As far as Kennison purposely trying to make Croyle look bad we will agree to disagree, because I think that is one of the most ridicilous ideas I have ever read on the planet. And that is saying alot.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 03:19 PM
How the hell does Huard give us a better chance to win? Weak arm and no mobility. Croyle's rifle and mobility is what is needed. I am sure it has been said, but it should get better when LJ is in there.

MGRS13
08-24-2007, 03:19 PM
Look, I'm not trying to make excuses.

Excuses are made to absolve someone of blame.

There's no absolving Croyle, he's absolutely made mistakes.

But there's a REASON he's making those mistakes, and there's also 10 other guys on the field with him that contribute to said mistakes.
I agree with that 100% but I don't think any one is making mistakes just to spite Croyle.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 03:20 PM
As far as Kennison purposely trying to make Croyle look bad we will agree to disagree, because I think that is one of the most ridicilous ideas I have ever read on the planet. And that is saying alot.

Again, I said I DON'T BELIEVE Kennison is purposefully trying to do ANYTHING.

I'm saying it's PECULIAR and nothing more.

bringbackmarty
08-24-2007, 03:26 PM
I think we should start croyle because there will be more pictures of his wife in the media, and her titties.

bringbackmarty
08-24-2007, 03:27 PM
I don't really like huard's wife's titties.

bringbackmarty
08-24-2007, 03:27 PM
I got titties on the brain.

bringbackmarty
08-24-2007, 03:28 PM
what do printers and terrells women's titties look like?

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 03:29 PM
If we did go with Huard, it would be hard for me to be interested in this team at all this year.

What he said. I am looking forward to watching Croyle develop.

bringbackmarty
08-24-2007, 03:31 PM
my ex had huge titties, we could roll those out on the field and they could be out startng left and right tackles.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 03:33 PM
First off, Croyle looks pretty mobile to me. Not like Vick mobile, but he's pretty nimble. He eludes pretty well, and can throw on the run.

Second, I counted about 5 dropped passes and three throwaways. I'm talkin'-hit the guy in the hands and he dropped it-type drops. That makes the stat line ugly, but it's not like he was a wildly inaccurate 5 of 17. He should've been more like 10 of 17. And three out of bounds throws.

just sayin.Correct. He got NO help last night...

HemiEd
08-24-2007, 03:36 PM
This is hilarious and so predictable.

So many of you were so resigned to a rebuilding season, and willing to put up with a shitty record in order to draft higher and build a team.

We haven't even played a single regular season game yet, or a preseason game with our best offensive player.
Now the sky is falling.
You guys asked for it, now you have it.
Losing sucks, I hate it and the rebuilding. Obviously, many of you don't like it either or even understand what it is like to be pathetic.

You rebuilding fans better buck up, it hasn't even started to get ugly or depressing yet.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. But you better be willling to see it through and stick with it.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 03:40 PM
Dude I agree completly with you that Croyle should start, I even feel as passionately as you do but............you have to stop the excuses for him. Just say "yes he is going to make mistakes but he is our best option." The idea that Kennison is sandbagging Croyle is silly, it's also silly to say he's just trying to hard to "win" the job. He's young and raw hes going to make mistakes we as fans just have to ride it out, but you have got to stop with the conspiracy theorys. I am with you on the Croyle bandwagon but lets just face the facts that we don't know as of yet what we have.Who said anything about sandbagging?

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 03:43 PM
Other than Samie Parker, all of the other WR's on the field have been with the team less than 18 months. Are you suggesting that ALL of them ran the wrong routes, and that Brodie just happened to make a mistake but the SAME mistake they made?

There were 3 obvious instances where the QB and WR were on a different page, including the INT. All 3 were with Kennison.
:hmmm:

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 03:46 PM
This is hilarious and so predictable.

So many of you were so resigned to a rebuilding season, and willing to put up with a shitty record in order to draft higher and build a team.

We haven't even played a single regular season game yet, or a preseason game with our best offensive player.
Now the sky is falling.
You guys asked for it, now you have it.
Losing sucks, I hate it and the rebuilding. Obviously, many of you don't like it either or even understand what it is like to be pathetic.

You rebuilding fans better buck up, it hasn't even started to get ugly or depressing yet.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. But you better be willling to see it through and stick with it.
You know, going 9-7 or 10-6 and not winning playoff games suck just as much. At least we are trying something different.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 03:48 PM
This is hilarious and so predictable.

So many of you were so resigned to a rebuilding season, and willing to put up with a shitty record in order to draft higher and build a team.

We haven't even played a single regular season game yet, or a preseason game with our best offensive player.
Now the sky is falling.
You guys asked for it, now you have it.
Losing sucks, I hate it and the rebuilding. Obviously, many of you don't like it either or even understand what it is like to be pathetic.

You rebuilding fans better buck up, it hasn't even started to get ugly or depressing yet.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. But you better be willling to see it through and stick with it.


and you completely ........ i mean completely missed the point of the thread.


you are the Jordan Black of thread discussions ......... WHIFF!!!!!!!!!

dreaminboutsunday
08-24-2007, 03:54 PM
Honestly, I don't think it matters who is QB. Either way, if it's Croyle or Huard, LJ is gonna dominate once again this year, shitty OL or not. However, I do believe Croyle will get the job. Not only is he going to get the job, he is going to take it and run with it. Bowe is going to make sure of that. Did anybody else see that he was a BEAST last night with the few passes he did catch. It's only a matter of time until him and Croyle get into the flow of things. In the meantime, lets saddle up LJ because we'll be riding him for a few games and everyone out there knows LJ can bust threw any D-Line even with a shitty OL in front of him.

HemiEd
08-24-2007, 03:54 PM
and you completely ........ i mean completely missed the point of the thread.


you are the Jordan Black of thread discussions ......... WHIFF!!!!!!!!!
ROFL No tiime to read the whole thread, I am on vacation and ready to head out to dinner. I chose your thread, and a couple others to give my opinion of what I have read on the planet.

If you want to rebuild, stick with Croyle, if you want to win now, play Huard. Pretty simple, was that the thread intent?

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 03:57 PM
ROFL No tiime to read the whole thread, I am on vacation and ready to head out to dinner. I chose your thread, and a couple others to give my opinion of what I have read on the planet.

If you want to rebuild, stick with Croyle, if you want to win now, play Huard. Pretty simple, was that the thread intent?
:D

no ...... the point of the thread was "is the offense so bad that starting Croyle would do more harm(to Brodie) than good?"


"would waiting until the offense settles down a bit and McIntosh is healthy be a better way of developing Croyle?"

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 03:57 PM
ROFL No tiime to read the whole thread, I am on vacation and ready to head out to dinner. I chose your thread, and a couple others to give my opinion of what I have read on the planet.

If you want to rebuild, stick with Croyle, if you want to win now, play Huard. Pretty simple, was that the thread intent?

Yeah, you typed up your "opinion" in Notepad and then pasted it in every well-trafficed thread on the subject.

I'll ask you the same question, which nobody seems to want to answer.

Huard gives us a chance to win WHAT?

HemiEd
08-24-2007, 03:59 PM
Yeah, you typed up your "opinion" in Notepad and then pasted it in every well-trafficed thread on the subject.

I'll ask you the same question, which nobody seems to want to answer.

Huard gives us a chance to win WHAT?

Games.


I put it in three of what I consider panic threads reflecting the board. I didn't use notepad, just hit ctrl C, then ctrl V. Pretty simple when pressed for time.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 04:04 PM
if you want to win now, play Huard. Pretty simple, was that the thread intent?OMG! LMAO How is it Huard is a 'winner' in all of his 10 seasons of not being a starting QB?

HemiEd
08-24-2007, 04:05 PM
:D

no ...... the point of the thread was "is the offense so bad that starting Croyle would do more harm(to Brodie) than good?"


"would waiting until the offense settles down a bit and McIntosh is healthy be a better way of developing Croyle?"

I have had multiple posts stating this exact point, that he should not start until the home opener. I agree, with the idea of holding him out until he has a CHANCE to succeed..

dirk digler
08-24-2007, 04:05 PM
Croyle's first INT was a bad decision, AFTER being chased out of the pocket because the LT couldn't block my grandma.

Croyle's second INT was a bad decision.

Croyle's third INT was an OBVIOUS miscommunication between him and Kennison and it's quite possible Kennison ran the wrong route.

I highly doubt Kennison ran the wrong route.

Also I remember a play last night where Brodie had all of the time in the world and then he decided to chuck it down the middle of the field. Now that might have been a WR running the wrong route but it was stupid to throw it anyway because the WR was double covered

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 04:05 PM
Huard gives us a chance to win WHAT?
Huard gives us a chance to avoid permanently scarring our young QB by getting him beat all to hell.


(i'm concerned about Croyle more than the wins this year)

dirk digler
08-24-2007, 04:06 PM
teams are gonna stack the box because it's martyball-esque


why wouldn't you stack the box if you know the coach lives for run,run,pass,punt.

No argument here.

HemiEd
08-24-2007, 04:07 PM
OMG! LMAO How is it Huard is a 'winner' in all of his 10 seasons of not being a starting QB?

You might want to check his record.

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 04:07 PM
I have had multiple posts stating this exact point, that he should not start until the home opener. I agree, with the idea of holding him out until he has a CHANCE to succeed..
like i said ........ you "jordan black-ed" this thread

ROFL

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:09 PM
Games.

What games? Regular season games?

If you're talking about playoff games, forget it. Huard isn't that guy.

And frankly, I'm tired of winning regular season games and having nothing to show for it.

Pretty simple when pressed for time.

And pretty effective when you want to shotgun-spam your opinion across 6 or 7 threads.

DenverChief
08-24-2007, 04:11 PM
you are the Svitek of thread discussions ......... WHIFF!!!!!!!!!


FYP

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:11 PM
Huard gives us a chance to avoid permanently scarring our young QB by getting him beat all to hell.


(i'm concerned about Croyle more than the wins this year)

Right. I got no problem with what you're selling.

But don't give me this "Huard gives us a better shot to win" bullshit.

Even Huard's #1 fan (Hootie) acknowledges that he's advocating using Huard as a sacrificial lamb and nothing more.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 04:12 PM
You might want to check his record.I am talking about a FULL season.
:rolleyes:

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:12 PM
I highly doubt Kennison ran the wrong route.

Also I remember a play last night where Brodie had all of the time in the world and then he decided to chuck it down the middle of the field. Now that might have been a WR running the wrong route but it was stupid to throw it anyway because the WR was double covered

I'm not talking about that throw-away.

I'm talking about blatantly obvious instances where the QB was think "X" route, and the WR was running "Y". They're easy to see.

And all 3 happened to be Kennison.

CoMoChief
08-24-2007, 04:13 PM
The problem with the offense is about 2 things.
1. Oline, you can't do anything if they can't block. It's simple as that. You CAN NOT win in this type of Herm Edwards football if you have a shit Oline.

2. Playcalling, our playcalling needs to go more down field and the routes need to better. Then again you HAVE to have pass protection to do this and we have none.

Whether it's Huard or Croyle, the offense needs both of those things listed above. I think we all saw last night what this season can possibly look like. It's the preseason and everything is vanilla. I understand that. But a Saints vanilla game plan just took us back to the woodshed. It's not like these games don't mean anything because they do. They let you know where you are as a team before the reg season starts. Imagine if a full throttle Saints team came in, we'd be down 30 at halftime the way we were playing last night.

Our offense HAS to score points. You CAN NOT win in this league consistently if you don't score points, especially with a mediocre defense like we have.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:13 PM
I am talking about a FULL season.
:rolleyes:

Huard doesn't have one of those. Not fair!

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 04:21 PM
Huard doesn't have one of those. Not fair!Hey, don't confuse them with facts...
:)

dirk digler
08-24-2007, 04:22 PM
I'm not talking about that throw-away.

I'm talking about blatantly obvious instances where the QB was think "X" route, and the WR was running "Y". They're easy to see.

And all 3 happened to be Kennison.

IMO that wasn't a throw away. I can't remember who the WR was, Hannon maybe, but he turned outside and Croyle threw it right down the middle of the field. If Croyle thinks the best way to throw the ball away is to heave down the middle of the field then he is dumber than shit.

As far your other point I don't pretend to know what routes guys are supposed to run but don't most pro teams use option routes? I don't know if the Chiefs would use those with a rookie QB though but they might.

Skip Towne
08-24-2007, 04:25 PM
like i said ........ you "jordan black-ed" this thread

ROFL
He is the Lin Eliot of this thread.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:33 PM
IMO that wasn't a throw away. I can't remember who the WR was, Hannon maybe, but he turned outside and Croyle threw it right down the middle of the field. If Croyle thinks the best way to throw the ball away is to heave down the middle of the field then he is dumber than shit.

He was throwing it away. And yes, it was dumb.

As far your other point I don't pretend to know what routes guys are supposed to run but don't most pro teams use option routes? I don't know if the Chiefs would use those with a rookie QB though but they might.

Sure they use option routes, which would AMPLIFY the problem. As it is, I only saw it with Kennison.

TEX
08-24-2007, 04:34 PM
[QUOTE=Laz]I have pretty much always been in the Croyle camp. I liked the draft pick ... i loved the value of getting him the 3rd round. imo he has very good upside and potiential. He's smart,mobile,has a great arm and his intangibles are top notch. We should of played him instead of Damon Huard when Trent Green got hurt last year from my point of view.

But .........


If this offense is gonna suck this bad from top to bottom... from game plan to dropped passes then i'm not so sure i want a young QB with such good potiential destroy by the process.


We should let Huard get dropped kicks all over the field until our offense stabilizes some. How about making the change after the bye week against Green Bay? I would be all for just waiting to see what's up with McIntosh.

I'd hate to see another young QB get destroyed by martyesqueball

QUOTE]

Been saying the same thing for weeks...

dirk digler
08-24-2007, 04:39 PM
Sure they use option routes, which would AMPLIFY the problem. As it is, I only saw it with Kennison.

Maybe gochiefs or somebody can post the video of the INT I would like to see it to confirm what you are seeing.

I can't imagine Eddie running the wrong routes to screw Brodie but who knows.

TEX
08-24-2007, 04:39 PM
Right. I got no problem with what you're selling.

But don't give me this "Huard gives us a better shot to win" bullshit.

Even Huard's #1 fan (Hootie) acknowledges that he's advocating using Huard as a sacrificial lamb and nothing more.


Then this last game must have changed your mind because you have given me every reason in the book since TC began as to why the Chiefs should start Croyle. I have been selling the same thing as Hootie.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:46 PM
Then this last game must have changed your mind because you have given me every reason in the book since TC began as to why the Chiefs should start Croyle. I have been selling the same thing as Hootie.

I haven't changed my mind in the slightest. Starting Croyle is the best long-term solution for the team.

As for you and Hootie, have you stopped suggesting that Huard gives us the "best chance to win"?

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:47 PM
Maybe gochiefs or somebody can post the video of the INT I would like to see it to confirm what you are seeing.

I can't imagine Eddie running the wrong routes to screw Brodie but who knows.

For the record, I can imagine Eddie running the wrong routes, but I can't imagine him doing it for that reason.

TEX
08-24-2007, 04:48 PM
I haven't changed my mind in the slightest. Starting Croyle is the best long-term solution for the team.

As for you and Hootie, have you stopped suggesting that Huard gives us the "best chance to win"?

Nope. He does. Croyle has gotten worse as he gets more playing time.

htismaqe
08-24-2007, 04:51 PM
Nope. He does. Croyle has gotten worse as he gets more playing time.

What does he give us a better chance to win?

**** WINNING NINE GAMES AND LOSING IN THE PLAYOFFS.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2007, 05:19 PM
Nope. He does. Croyle has gotten worse as he gets more playing time.OMG! Just stop. When does Croyle get a shot? When LJ is washed up? You REALLY need to get off Huard. 34 yrs. old and HAS NEVER STARTED AN ENTIRE SEASON. Jesus...

PastorMikH
08-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Nope. He does. Croyle has gotten worse as he gets more playing time.



:spock:

Last week in his first drive he looked as good as any QB in the game - even Peyton Manning. I've watched that drive several times over the last week and am still amazed at how he threw the ball. On the INT last week, sure he missed the read on the D, but had he been throwing to TG instead of Wilson, TG would have got the ball. FWIW, last night was also the worst I've seen the OL. Add in the equation that it looked to me like they were trying to call a game to keep Croyle from making mistakes and I think there's more to it than just Croyle.

You could say the same of Huard, he looked horrible last week and wasn't able to play do to injury this week.



FWIW, I'll also go on record to say that if we start Huard for any reason other than perhaps concern about the OL getting our future QB hurt before McIntire is back, then we should just go ahead and cut Croyle now and move on.

KC Tattoo
08-24-2007, 06:04 PM
START BRODIE CROYLE, HE GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN NOW, AND FOR THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HE IS GOING TO LEARN AND WITH LJ AND D-MAC HE HAS A SHOT TO PROVE THAT HE IS THE BEST QB FOR THE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE KC BRASS NEEDS TO GROW A SET OF BALLS AND START BRODIE CROYLE AND SET KC CHIEFS UP FOR A SB IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS... GROWING PAINS... Peyton Manning went through them... Other QBs have had their growing pains and went on to Super Bowls, so it is our turn. BUT nnNNOOO we can't do that because we listen to ESPN jerk offs or some piss aunt journalist!!!!! OLD VETERAN QBs HAVE NOT GOT US A SUPER BOWL AND I DON"T CARE HOW GOOD THEY ARE THEY HAVE NOT DONE IT IN 30 YEARS FOR US. Why should we wait another year with Brodie on the bench and waist another year of solid QB development?????At the same time we will miss Bowe become a target of Brodie for the next several years. They should be on the same field to gain that connection like Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne.

Nzoner
08-24-2007, 06:05 PM
Why is it I keep reading Stuart Huard everytime I see this topic?

Mr. Laz
08-24-2007, 06:06 PM
START BRODIE CROYLE, HE GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN NOW, AND FOR THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HE IS GOING TO LEARN AND WITH LJ AND D-MAC HE HAS A SHOT TO PROVE THAT HE IS THE BEST QB FOR THE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! somebody want to give this n00b a valium or something

Coach
08-24-2007, 06:15 PM
Huard isn't the guy to start. He's actually worse. If you've been watching the preseason games, he's proved that.

Honestly, leaving Croyle in the QB, and bringing back the wishbone, the Chiefs might be better off that way.

Coach
08-24-2007, 06:15 PM
Why is it I keep reading Stuart Huard everytime I see this topic?

Why is it that I take a shit, that I named it Damon Huard?

Rick
08-24-2007, 06:16 PM
On his first INT against Cleveland he wasn't touched because he made a hell of a move to get away from pressure.

Don't be disingenuous here.

Was he touched when he did throw it? I'm pullen for the guy but damn.... nice word.

KC Tattoo
08-24-2007, 06:21 PM
[SIZE=1] somebody want to give this n00b a valium or something

None needed, but thank you.
Just wanted to get that out of my system.
I'll STFU

HemiEd
08-24-2007, 09:50 PM
What games? Regular season games?

If you're talking about playoff games, forget it. Huard isn't that guy.

And frankly, I'm tired of winning regular season games and having nothing to show for it.



And pretty effective when you want to shotgun-spam your opinion across 6 or 7 threads.
I have given you too much credit, you aren't very sharp. I said THREE, that is the NUMBER 3, not 6 or 7. You are just pissed because I am right, AGAIN.

People are upset about losing pre season games, they are not even regular season games. Like I said, it is funny that people state they are willing to suffer through a rebuild and are upset after the kid has not played like an All Pro after very little experience.

MadMax
08-24-2007, 09:55 PM
:spock:

Last week in his first drive he looked as good as any QB in the game - even Peyton Manning. I've watched that drive several times over the last week and am still amazed at how he threw the ball. On the INT last week, sure he missed the read on the D, but had he been throwing to TG instead of Wilson, TG would have got the ball. FWIW, last night was also the worst I've seen the OL. Add in the equation that it looked to me like they were trying to call a game to keep Croyle from making mistakes and I think there's more to it than just Croyle.

You could say the same of Huard, he looked horrible last week and wasn't able to play do to injury this week.



FWIW, I'll also go on record to say that if we start Huard for any reason other than perhaps concern about the OL getting our future QB hurt before McIntire is back, then we should just go ahead and cut Croyle now and move on.

Amen Pastor Amen! Agree completely. :)

Mr. Laz
08-26-2007, 11:34 AM
who's the man ...... huh .... who's da man :p

Dylan
08-26-2007, 12:14 PM
On April 2000, Bill Parcells and Al Groh selected Chad Pennington in the first round. Parcells had four #1 picks that year. The Jets made the decision they wanted Pennington to be the future of the franchise. Al Groh resigned on Dec 2001 and Parcells resigned Jan 2001. Shortly after Herm Edwards and Terry Bradway were hired. Herm brought in Paul Hackett.

Pennington was not Herm Edwards guy. In 2001 the Jets won 10 games with all of Parcells high profile guys. Curtis Martin rushed for 1500 yds, while keeping it out of the hands of Vinny Testaverdi. Pennington a #1 pick remained on the bench. In 2002, the fans were growing tired of Testaverdi inteceptions. Vinny was a vertical QB and was completely lost and ineffective under Hackett's West Coast offense. Pennington was more suited for short passes. During preseason in 2002, Pennington showed great leadership and accuracy on the field. He produced three TD's and no interceptions. Vinny looked terrible and continued to struggle. After listening to Herm's press conferences, fans were convinced that Pennington would be the starter for the 2002 season. But Herm picked Testaverdi to start. The Jets went 1-4. Edwards refused to give Chad a chance to turn it around until the six game with the season on the line. Edwards had no choice but make the switch. The remainder of the season, Pennington threw 22 TDs and only 6 INT. He posted a QB rating of 124.7 and a final week win over the Green Bay Packers, sent the Jets into the playoffs.

As soon as the season ended, Herm continued to get rid of Parcells guys. He managed to put the worst offensive line together. Chad took the worst beatings -- his injuries were horrific. For the next few years, Herm lost all of the roster QBs to game-day injuries. During Edwards tenure with the Jets, not once did they draft an offensive player to groom on the offensive line. Pennington required rotator cuff surgery twice in his career among other broken bones -- Edwards did not have a problem giving up a second round pick for a kicker. During one game, all three QBs went down with an injury, leaving the Jets to find another QB future casualty to sign on Monday.

Pennington's first professional game as an NFL QB was against the Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs won.