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Dr. Facebook Fever
08-25-2007, 05:35 PM
It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit.

Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride?

Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much.

Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can.

Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now.

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

Bowser
08-25-2007, 05:36 PM
Who wants to bitchslap this fool?





IT'S OVER, BEER ME!!! DOOOOMED!!!11

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-25-2007, 05:38 PM
Who wants to bitchslap this fool?





IT'S OVER, BEER ME!!! DOOOOMED!!!11
ROFL

Go for it. I'm sure you won't be the last.

P.S.... It's just football.

Demonpenz
08-25-2007, 05:40 PM
I don't think croyle will ever be ready. Most qb's show signs of being good. He just has this look when he is coming off the field like steve urcle

"DID I DO THAT?"

the Talking Can
08-25-2007, 05:40 PM
"Brodie doesn't have any experience, and we can't play him until he does"

Rain Man
08-25-2007, 05:41 PM
I have a perspective, but it's one that's canted at an angle of about 150 degrees, so everything on the right side of life looks really, really big, and everything on the left side looks really, really small and it makes my neck hurt.

ChiefFan31
08-25-2007, 05:41 PM
It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit.

Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride?

Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much.

Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can.

Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now.

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

Amen Brother. Although, I would add that I think we will see Croyle sometime in the first half of the season

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-25-2007, 05:42 PM
Amen Brother. Although, I would add that I think we will see Croyle sometime in the first half of the season
Could be. We'll see.

Demonpenz
08-25-2007, 05:45 PM
maybe a croyle huard backfield. Just think of the fumbling interception combinations we could come up with

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-25-2007, 05:46 PM
"Brodie doesn't have any experience, and we can't play him until he does"
I understand the concept of getting him the experience he needs... but not if he's not ready to be an NFL player and we have another guy who's done it before. I want Brodie to be the answer as much as the next guy. Sometimes you just have to have patience though.

KS Smitty
08-25-2007, 05:49 PM
The sky is too falling...

http://www.uwm.edu/~kahl/Images/Weather/Optics/perspective.jpg

Demonpenz
08-25-2007, 05:51 PM
this frog just found out huard is starting

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Dr. Facebook Fever
08-25-2007, 05:53 PM
this frog just found out huard is starting


You are the funniest fugger on here Raphael.

ROFL

Logical
08-25-2007, 06:05 PM
...

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

God this really, really sucks. I would rather we be bad and at least be developing a potential future. That you are accepting this based on we may not be bad is pitiful.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-25-2007, 06:12 PM
God this really, really sucks. I would rather we be bad and at least be developing a potential future. That you are accepting this based on we may not be bad is pitiful.
That isn't very logical of you.

Or maybe it is.

I have to go play a dance now. I'll check back in around 1am. Have fun fighting everyone.

chagrin
08-25-2007, 06:12 PM
To on one hand say "we are rebuilding" and on the other hand say "we're starting Huard to give us a chance" is ridiculous - that's my opinion; it's not the end of the world but it certainly is contradictory.

Reaper16
08-25-2007, 07:01 PM
I would hope that Huard is only starting the first 4 games, which should be notoriously brutal affairs that occur while our offensive line w/ McIntosh goes through the gelling process.

We can't really tell from the preseason games if Brody is "ready" or not because the pass protection just wasn't there. It seemed like 2/3 of all plays the backfield penetration was so deep that the play was just busted. They plays that were adequately protected suffered from qb/receiver miscommunication or drops.

Let the o-line become some shadow of a cohesive unit, then see what Brody can do in game. Assuming that that is the reason Huard is starting, then I'm not upset by the decision.

KC Jones
08-25-2007, 07:10 PM
If Croyle isn't ready and hasn't earned the spot, you can't just give it to him and say "we're rebuilding". The reason for that is that you need the rest of the team to believe you are putting your best players on the field. If guys like TG, Kennison, Edwards, Allen, LJ, etc. think we are already scratching the year off, do you really think they are gonna go out there and give it their all?

Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time.

OnTheWarpath58
08-25-2007, 07:14 PM
Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time.

How is he going to earn the spot if he's not playing when the GAMES COUNT?

With Huard being handed the starting job, the only way Croyle gets playing time is if Damon is injured or sucks....you can't earn a starting gig in practice.

gblowfish
08-25-2007, 08:06 PM
Don't worry.

Our line is so bad Huard will get killed by game three or four, then Brodie comes in, plays three or four games, gets killed, then Printers runs around like Daffy Duck for three games...then Huard is healed...circle starts again.

One of Herm's last seasons (with the Jets) he got (I think) three QBs killed... played a fourth stringer for awhile, so it's nothing he hasn't seen before.

dirk digler
08-25-2007, 08:11 PM
To on one hand say "we are rebuilding" and on the other hand say "we're starting Huard to give us a chance" is ridiculous - that's my opinion; it's not the end of the world but it certainly is contradictory.

Have you heard Herm or Carl ever say we are rebuilding because I haven't?

If either one of them said that then you are right not starting Croyle makes no sense.

Baconeater
08-25-2007, 08:16 PM
Don't worry.

Our line is so bad Huard will get killed by game three or four, then Brodie comes in, plays three or four games, gets killed, then Printers runs around like Daffy Duck for three games...then Huard is healed...circle starts again.

One of Herm's last seasons he got (I think) three QBs killed... played a fourth stringer for awhile, so it's nothing he hasn't seen before.
Wow, that makes me feel better! Thanks!

chagrin
08-25-2007, 08:42 PM
Have you heard Herm or Carl ever say we are rebuilding because I haven't?

If either one of them said that then you are right not starting Croyle makes no sense.

Well no, but I always thought it was pretty clear when Herm said something like, "We're getting younger" or "we're going with a youth movement" as rebuilding.

It's just my interpretation. From everything I have read, in Herm's press conferences, etc. he's a contradiction machine...dude never really says anything, ever, and what he does say is silliness.

Personally, I just don't like it - he worries me. I see Herm as an unstable leader, in the sense that he is not really making a decision to rebuild and he's really digging a bigger hole for himself.

I will always love the CHIEFS though, and I don't think I am panicking, I just feel that realistically, it's going to take a coach who will come in here, MAKE Carl follow a specific plan and just fuggin do it. I like what what's his name in Houston/Tennessee, Bob McNair did (is it Bob?). He gave the team to his coach, trusted him and let him run the thing - they've been solid for a while now and at least reached the Super Bowl and won playoff games.

Baconeater
08-25-2007, 08:47 PM
I like what what's his name in Houston/Tennessee, Bob McNair did (is it Bob?). He gave the team to his coach, trusted him and let him run the thing - they've been solid for a while now and at least reached the Super Bowl and won playoff games.
You're thinking of Bud Adams, Bob McNair owns the Texans.

chagrin
08-25-2007, 08:51 PM
You're thinking of Bud Adams, Bob McNair owns the Texans.


Yeah Bud Adams, thanks :(

mikey23545
08-25-2007, 09:26 PM
How is he going to earn the spot if he's not playing when the GAMES COUNT?

With Huard being handed the starting job, the only way Croyle gets playing time is if Damon is injured or sucks....you can't earn a starting gig in practice.

God dammit, you people are some idiotic mfer's....Do you actually think no QB in history has ever spent a little time on the bench before earning the starting nod before?

All of you are acting like the Chiefs took Croyle out to the river in a burlap sack and threw him in. All that has happened is he is not starting this season opener - that is all. No one of knows what the situation will be in 6 weeks.

What the **** do you think preseason is for?....EVALUATING YOUR PLAYERS, YOU COSMIC DUMBASSES...Almost every single starter in this league earned their position by impressing coaches in practice or preseason before they got their chance under the lights. And sometimes your most physically talented player needs a little more learning before they are ready for live action. I have never in my life seen so many temper tantrums taking place at the same time on this BB before, or so many absolutely unsubstantiated claims about Croyle's future.

I also love the Logical theory that a team must, MUST, lose 16 games one year to really be rebuilding, or to have a chance to ever be any better.

Honestly, I can't believe a lot of you have actually learned to read and write, much less post on an internet bulletin board.

StcChief
08-25-2007, 09:59 PM
Carl ultimately is calling the shots.
Butts in the seats in games after Sept lone game......

Huard needs to start if Croyle really isn't ready yet.

No NFL experience , how can he get it.... Huard falters or injury.

Still think mid season replacement is highly likely.

KCwolf
08-25-2007, 10:18 PM
If Croyle isn't ready and hasn't earned the spot, you can't just give it to him and say "we're rebuilding". The reason for that is that you need the rest of the team to believe you are putting your best players on the field. If guys like TG, Kennison, Edwards, Allen, LJ, etc. think we are already scratching the year off, do you really think they are gonna go out there and give it their all?

Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time.

Rep for U

Outstanding post IMO.....very few have stated the possible viewpoint of the Vets and "build for the future"........I'm pretty sure TG & the foundation crew is in it for the now......and Huard gives us the best chance to win. Now.

milkman
08-25-2007, 10:46 PM
Rep for U

Outstanding post IMO.....very few have stated the possible viewpoint of the Vets and "build for the future"........I'm pretty sure TG & the foundation crew is in it for the now......and Huard gives us the best chance to win. Now.

Do you think any of the vets really believe that this is a team that actually has a chance to win anything meaningful?

ChiefaRoo
08-25-2007, 10:56 PM
Do you think any of the vets really believe that this is a team that actually has a chance to win anything meaningful?

If they don't then they should not be playing. You don't quit before the season starts or you're not worthy of calling yourself a pro.

Here's a better question. Do you guys think Tony G. is in it just for the money or does he also want to win a championship? I was surprised when he re-signed so quickly. I think there is something positive going on at Arrowhead or he wouldn't of done it. I guess we'll see.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 08:44 AM
....you can't earn a starting gig in practice.
Then he should have earned it in the games.

htismaqe
08-26-2007, 08:54 AM
We could be developing a young QB. He's not ready, so let's GET HIM ready.

Nah, that's sucks. Let's play the 34-year old and try to limp into the playoffs.

AGAIN.

htismaqe
08-26-2007, 08:55 AM
but not if he's not ready to be an NFL player and we have another guy who's done it before.

Done WHAT before?

milkman
08-26-2007, 09:03 AM
If they don't then they should not be playing. You don't quit before the season starts or you're not worthy of calling yourself a pro.

I think that these guys believe that they can be difference makers, and that they can help lead their team to wins.

But I also believe that they know that there are a lot of flaws with this team, starting at QB.

So rather than believeing in their QB, and their teammates, they have to make it happen.

Here's a better question. Do you guys think Tony G. is in it just for the money or does he also want to win a championship? I was surprised when he re-signed so quickly. I think there is something positive going on at Arrowhead or he wouldn't of done it. I guess we'll see.

I think he's in it for both, and he believes in the direction that Herman ****ing Edwards appeared to taking this team.

milkman
08-26-2007, 09:04 AM
Done WHAT before?

Started a couple of games?

:shrug:

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 09:06 AM
We could be developing a young QB. He's not ready, so let's GET HIM ready.

Nah, that's sucks. Let's play the 34-year old and try to limp into the playoffs.

AGAIN.

WHOOHOO!

ALL ABOARD!

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 10:05 AM
I don't think croyle will ever be ready. Most qb's show signs of being good. He just has this look when he is coming off the field like steve urcle

"DID I DO THAT?"You probably think Printers will be a good NFL QB....

Crashride
08-26-2007, 10:08 AM
BUT BRODIES WIFE IS HOT

splatbass
08-26-2007, 01:15 PM
We could be developing a young QB. He's not ready, so let's GET HIM ready.

Nah, that's sucks. Let's play the 34-year old and try to limp into the playoffs.

AGAIN.

There are a lot of things that Croyle can do in practice to make him more prepared to start. He needs to work on his mechanics, and stop throwing off his back leg. That is something he needs to learn in practice before he steps on the field. You don't learn good mechanics in a game with defenders in your face. You learn them in practice, and practice them over and over until it becomes second nature. THEN you are ready to take the field. Like in anything else you have to learn the fundamentals before taking the next step. You can't learn how to run until you learn how to walk.

I think this will be good for Croyle, and better for the Chiefs in the long run. If you put Croyle in a situation like that, with that OL, then he is never going to learn to learn proper mechanics because he will be running for his life all the time.

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:21 PM
You probably think Printers will be a good NFL QB....

Atleast Printers has some physical skills. I can't point to one thing other than the arm that brodie has. Can't escape the pocket, has to find lanes to throw because he is so short, and is injury prone.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 01:21 PM
There are a lot of things that Croyle can do in practice to make him more prepared to start. He needs to work on his mechanics, and stop throwing off his back leg. That is something he needs to learn in practice before he steps on the field. You don't learn good mechanics in a game with defenders in your face. You learn them in practice, and practice them over and over until it becomes second nature. THEN you are ready to take the field. Like in anything else you have to learn the fundamentals before taking the next step. You can't learn how to run until you learn how to walk.

I think this will be good for Croyle, and better for the Chiefs in the long run. If you put Croyle in a situation like that, with that OL, then he is never going to learn to learn proper mechanics because he will be running for his life all the time.

Damon Huard has been "practicing" his entire career as a backup.

Yet, he STILL throws off his back foot ALL THE TIME.

Ask any current or former QB:

There is NO SUBSTITUTE for GAME EXPERIENCE.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 01:22 PM
Done WHAT before?
Led a team to the post season.

Since when are you this dumb?

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:25 PM
I think some people must have croyle as a fantasy sleeper for a large amount of money. There is no other explanation for this kind of freakout. Especially because Croyle will get his second chance eventually if not then i wish him well on his new team

splatbass
08-26-2007, 01:25 PM
Damon Huard has been "practicing" his entire career as a backup.

Yet, he STILL throws off his back foot ALL THE TIME.

Ask any current or former QB:

There is NO SUBSTITUTE for GAME EXPERIENCE.

True, WHEN HE IS READY. He isn't.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 01:25 PM
There are a lot of things that Croyle can do in practice to make him more prepared to start. He needs to work on his mechanics, and stop throwing off his back leg. That is something he needs to learn in practice before he steps on the field. You don't learn good mechanics in a game with defenders in your face. You learn them in practice, and practice them over and over until it becomes second nature. THEN you are ready to take the field. Like in anything else you have to learn the fundamentals before taking the next step. You can't learn how to run until you learn how to walk.

I think this will be good for Croyle, and better for the Chiefs in the long run. If you put Croyle in a situation like that, with that OL, then he is never going to learn to learn proper mechanics because he will be running for his life all the time.
The voice of reason is such an odd sight around here I hardly knew what it was at first.

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:30 PM
With him riding the pine this year the trainers also could put another 10 to 15 pounds of muscle on him making him that much more ready.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 01:33 PM
True, WHEN HE IS READY. He isn't.

Thanks, Coach.

I guess you would have given up on Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman too.

4-28 in their rookie seasons, combined.

You can't tell me he's not ready when he hasn't played a game that counts, with a full playbook, game plan and teammates.

The question won't be answered until he gets REAL GAME EXPERIENCE.

If you judged QB's on their 1st 5 quarters of PS play, the position would become extinct. No one would ever be good enough.

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:35 PM
again peyton maninng and aikman were first rounders who were big and strong and the talent was right there infront of everyone's eyes. Brodie is sskinny short and dumb

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 01:39 PM
again peyton maninng and aikman were first rounders who were big and strong and the talent was right there infront of everyone's eyes. Brodie is sskinny short and dumb

Again, you're a moron.

It's well documented that Croyle would have been a R1 pick if not for the injuries. He has the talent.

Croyle is 6'2...one lousy inch shorter than Trent Green, who I don't recall anyone bitching about him being short in 5 years with KC.

This has to be an act.....

splatbass
08-26-2007, 01:41 PM
Thanks, Coach.

I guess you would have given up on Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman too.

4-28 in their rookie seasons, combined.

You can't tell me he's not ready when he hasn't played a game that counts, with a full playbook, game plan and teammates.

The question won't be answered until he gets REAL GAME EXPERIENCE.

If you judged QB's on their 1st 5 quarters of PS play, the position would become extinct. No one would ever be good enough.

Manning and Aikman didn't have the problems with mechanics that Croyle has. They were ready much sooner.

I wanted Croyle to start, but this is not a bad thing. He will be a better QB because of this.

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:46 PM
Aikman was #1 overall yeah go ahead and keep comparing a ferrari to a alabama tractor

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 01:47 PM
Manning and Aikman didn't have the problems with mechanics that Croyle has. They were ready much sooner.

I wanted Croyle to start, but this is not a bad thing. He will be a better QB because of this.

Where did all this "mechanics" crap come from?

I know the coaching staff hasn't said a word about his mechanics being poor. He comes over the top with the ball, and has a lightning quick release.

The whole "throwing off his back foot" shit is completely overblown.

Every starting QB in the NFL this year will throw off his back foot at some time, if not multiple times during the year.

Period.

Jesus Christ....Brett Favre made a LIVING out of it.

And they were no more READY than Croyle. You have to PLAY to have that questioned answered.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 01:48 PM
Aikman was #1 overall yeah go ahead and keep comparing a ferrari to a alabama tractor

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.

Guess he should give those SB rings and MVP trophies back.....

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:48 PM
I wouldn't worry anyways if brodie is as good as you guys think he is he should have no problems winning the job. For once the chiefs are making a player EARN their job and I am thankful for it. I am tired of people just recieving the job after proving NOTHING. The fact brodie wet the bed in 2 games with no pressure just proves that he wasn't ready. I would rather trust people who know how to run a franchise for a living than arm chair gm's.

the Talking Can
08-26-2007, 01:52 PM
I wouldn't worry anyways if brodie is as good as you guys think he is he should have no problems winning the job. For once the chiefs are making a player EARN their job and I am thankful for it. I am tired of people just recieving the job after proving NOTHING. The fact brodie wet the bed in 2 games with no pressure just proves that he wasn't ready. I would rather trust people who know how to run a franchise for a living than arm chair gm's.

ROFL

Carl is making you retarded

TEX
08-26-2007, 01:53 PM
It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit.

Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride?

Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much.

Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can.

Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now.

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

IMO, easily the best post of the new season.

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.

Guess he should give those SB rings and MVP trophies back.....

Tom Brady came in and lit it up right away.

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:56 PM
I am just glad the majority of the fans out there have common sense that this is the correct move. Chiefsplanet is just a small pocket of fans. If I was around this kind of negativity every sunday football would stop being fun. Enjoy the ride guys and stop freaking out. Huard may give us a shot to the playoffs and anything can happen. If croyle is good he will get his shot if he isn't oh well. GO CHIEFS!

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 01:57 PM
great post beer me. go chiefs

cdcox
08-26-2007, 01:58 PM
I wouldn't worry anyways if brodie is as good as you guys think he is he should have no problems winning the job. For once the chiefs are making a player EARN their job and I am thankful for it. I am tired of people just recieving the job after proving NOTHING. The fact brodie wet the bed in 2 games with no pressure just proves that he wasn't ready. I would rather trust people who know how to run a franchise for a living than arm chair gm's.

Explain to me what

Pollard
Page
Svitek
our Right T (pick one)
or our #2 WR (pick one)

has done to earn a job.

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:01 PM
Where did all this "mechanics" crap come from?

I know the coaching staff hasn't said a word about his mechanics being poor. He comes over the top with the ball, and has a lightning quick release.

The whole "throwing off his back foot" shit is completely overblown.

Every starting QB in the NFL this year will throw off his back foot at some time, if not multiple times during the year.

Period.

Jesus Christ....Brett Favre made a LIVING out of it.

And they were no more READY than Croyle. You have to PLAY to have that questioned answered.

Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

the Talking Can
08-26-2007, 02:02 PM
"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"Croyle will gain experience by not playing"

"add cream to a butter sauce to keep it from breaking"

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:02 PM
Explain to me what

Pollard
Page
Svitek
our Right T (pick one)
or our #2 WR (pick one)

has done to earn a job.

Don't forget Medlock...

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:03 PM
ROFL

Carl is making you retarded

What's your excuse? Denile?

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 02:04 PM
Tom Brady came in and lit it up right away.

In the REGULAR SEASON.

In the preseason, he didn't "show enough" to start over Drew Bledsoe.

Even outstanding coaching staffs can make mistakes.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 02:04 PM
Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.
That was the worst play I've even seen a QB make. No pressure on him... no one in his face... wide open WR... so he falls back and throws it right to the DB. Yea, he's ready.

Hydrae
08-26-2007, 02:04 PM
I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs.

The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it.

There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.

the Talking Can
08-26-2007, 02:04 PM
What's your excuse? Denile?

danilo?

my excuse is I hate 9-7

you have no excuse

Hydrae
08-26-2007, 02:05 PM
Don't forget Medlock...


Don't even get me started on Medlock. I see nothing to show me that he is any better than Tynes.

Skip Towne
08-26-2007, 02:06 PM
Atleast Printers has some physical skills. I can't point to one thing other than the arm that brodie has. Can't escape the pocket, has to find lanes to throw because he is so short, and is injury prone.
Short? Croyle is 6'3".

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 02:06 PM
Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was ONE throw. You act like this is a regular occurance. It's not.

You're looking for something that isn't there.

He's made 2 bad throws off his back foot.

Otherwise, he's stepping into the throw and firing it.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 02:08 PM
"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"Croyle will gain experience by not playing"

"add cream to a butter sauce to keep it from breaking"
A. Who said this team is going to win now?

B. The window has closed for the time being no matter who the QB is.

C. At least he can learn that dreaded "mechanics" word in practice and continue trying to EARN the job

D. I'll have a salad

cdcox
08-26-2007, 02:08 PM
Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 02:09 PM
I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs.

The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it.

There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.

Thank you.

That is the point I've been trying to make with my comments about there being no substitute for game experience. I just did a bad job getting my point across.

That comment has been stuck in my head, ever since a SB MVP mentioned it to me at a charity event.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 02:09 PM
danilo?

my excuse is I hate 9-7

you have no excuse
It'll be 7-9 at best anyway.

the Talking Can
08-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Short? Croyle is 6'3".

he thinks we're talking about Madden 07....you know, the players are only a few inches high on the screen...

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 02:11 PM
It'll be 7-9 at best anyway.

EVEN MORE REASON to start Croyle.


:banghead:

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:12 PM
That was ONE throw. You act like this is a regular occurance. It's not.

You're looking for something that isn't there.

He's made 2 bad throws off his back foot.

Otherwise, he's stepping into the throw and firing it.\

Dude, I've seen it. Furthermore, so have you. It's you that won't acknowledge something that IS there. It IS a regular occurance. Go back and watch all his picks - you'll see. Also, go back to last year and see if his "fling" - motiion isn't the same. (Preseason game 1 I believe - his only action before he hurt his arm/shoulder) It is - it's very obvious. I trust my eyes.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 02:12 PM
That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.
If he'd thrown it to the back pilon that is a TD... but he bricked it because he had no forward momentum throwing off his back foot and he's no Brett Favre so he can't compensate for it.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 02:13 PM
EVEN MORE REASON to start Croyle.


:banghead:
Oh OK... 3-13 then

:p

cdcox
08-26-2007, 02:14 PM
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Dude, I've seen it. Furthermore, so have you. It's you that won't acknowledge something that IS there. It IS a regular occurance. Go back and watch all his picks - you'll see. Also, go back to last year and see if his "fling" - motiion isn't the same. (Preseason game 1 I believe - his only action before he hurt his arm/shoulder) It is - it's very obvious. I trust my eyes.

I can't wait for the first 20 times Huard throws off his back foot this year.

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:14 PM
That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.

Sorry, I disagree. It was man to man and it's a pick every time with a throw like that.

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:15 PM
I can't wait for the first 20 times Huard throws off his back foot this year.

When he does, he'll throw over the top - and not just fling it.

KCChiefsMan
08-26-2007, 02:18 PM
Huard will be the next Rich Gannon. Journeyman backup to NFL MVP

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:19 PM
Don't even get me started on Medlock. I see nothing to show me that he is any better than Tynes.

Speaking of Tynes, the Chiefs sent him packing when he was first coming up for kicking like Medlock is now. They decided to keep Anderson instead. They traded him this time for kicking better than Medlock is now. I'm beginning to think he's a "prove-my-point" pick no matter how many kicks he blows. He flat out $UCKS! I can't believe that Herm won't bring anyone else in. I know he doesn't want to put pressure on the kid, but isn't a kicker supposed to learn how to handle PRESSURE?

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 02:19 PM
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Dude, I've seen it. Furthermore, so have you. It's you that won't acknowledge something that IS there. It IS a regular occurance. Go back and watch all his picks - you'll see. Also, go back to last year and see if his "fling" - motiion isn't the same. (Preseason game 1 I believe - his only action before he hurt his arm/shoulder) It is - it's very obvious. I trust my eyes.

Now it's just on his picks?

A second ago, every throw he made was off his back foot. Make up your mind.

The INT in the Cleveland game was a bad decision REGARDLESS of his "mechanics." The play was to throw the ball away, and he could have done it from his ASS for all I care.

The INT in the Miami game was a bad decision and a bad throw. But I can't count how many QB's I've seen throw the fade from their back foot. If Croyle had gotten the ball to the back pylon, where it belonged, this wouldn't even be under discussion.

Croyle stepped into the throw in the Saints game perfectly. He made the right read. He just made the throw LATE.

Which is something that will be corrected with PLAYING TIME. As mentioned before, the speed of the game cannot be learned on the practice field or in film study.

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:22 PM
If he'd thrown it to the back pilon that is a TD... but he bricked it because he had no forward momentum throwing off his back foot and he's no Brett Favre so he can't compensate for it.

THANK GOODNESS someone saw it as I did! It's there for EVERYONE to see if they just open their eyes. Man, the Emperor has no clothes around here...

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:26 PM
Now it's just on his picks?

A second ago, every throw he made was off his back foot. Make up your mind.

The INT in the Cleveland game was a bad decision REGARDLESS of his "mechanics." The play was to throw the ball away, and he could have done it from his ASS for all I care.

The INT in the Miami game was a bad decision and a bad throw. But I can't count how many QB's I've seen throw the fade from their back foot. If Croyle had gotten the ball to the back pylon, where it belonged, this wouldn't even be under discussion.

Croyle stepped into the throw in the Saints game perfectly. He made the right read. He just made the throw LATE.

Which is something that will be corrected with PLAYING TIME. As mentioned before, the speed of the game cannot be learned on the practice field or in film study.

You're hopless. You're so intent on proving your point that you're seeing what you want to see. That's why you think Croyle's ready. Glad you brought up Cleveland - what foot did he throw off there in addition to making a bone-headed-decesion? It's all on tape...

cdcox
08-26-2007, 02:32 PM
Sorry, I disagree. It was man to man and it's a pick every time with a throw like that.

Not man coverage go to the 1:25 mark of this video.

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The corner who makes the INT is lined up across from our WR. The corner goes into his drop from the snap, despite the fact that the WR runs a shallow slant. Wilson runs an out and up. The LB over him blitzes. Looks like Wilson is running free, except the corner is already in that zone. Even it Croyle throws to the pylon, the CB is going to be in a better position than Wilson, because he his aready back deep in that zone. Just a bad read.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 02:35 PM
You're hopless. You're so intent on proving your point that you're seeing what you want to see. That's why you think Croyle's ready. Glad you brought up Cleveland - what foot did he throw off there in addition to making a bone-headed-decesion? It's all on tape...

READ THE POST, JACKASS.

I said he threw off his back foot. I also said that had he made the right decision, and threw the ball into the 3rd row, he couldhave thrown from his ass and accompished the goal: Throwing the ball away.

He's thrown off his back foot 2 TIMES IN 3 GAMES.

And I've NEVER said Croyle was READY.

I said we'll never know if he's READY if he doesn't PLAY in a game that COUNTS.

WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE WITH OR WITHOUT CROYLE THIS YEAR.

KNOWING THAT, THERE IS NO REASON TO DELAY FINDING OUT WHAT WE HAVE IN CROYLE.

YOU CANNOT GAIN EXPERIENCE BY SITTING ON THE BENCH.

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR GAME EXPERIENCE.

THOSE are my words. Don't put any in my mouth.

Demonpenz
08-26-2007, 02:37 PM
it's sad when people are so wrong with their arguement they have to call people names. I remember when you could just talk football and leave all the "moron" and "retarded" comments out of it. It's just for fun leave the personal attacks out of it

TEX
08-26-2007, 02:38 PM
Not man coverage go to the 1:25 mark of this video.

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The corner who makes the INT is lined up across from our WR. The corner goes into his drop from the snap, despite the fact that the WR runs a shallow slant. Wilson runs an out and up. The LB over him blitzes. Looks like Wilson is running free, except the corner is already in that zone. Even it Croyle throws to the pylon, the CB is going to be in a better position than Wilson, because he his aready back deep in that zone. Just a bad read.

You're right - it was zone. But the throw was aweful any way you look at it.

the Talking Can
08-26-2007, 02:54 PM
"as soon as Brodie has more experience we'll let him play"


"Brodie will be injured if we play him, so we are going to start Huard...who is, uh, injured right now...."


"Philip Rivers sat behind Drew Brees for 3 years, Brodie should do the same....so we're trading him to New Orleans."