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HonestChieffan
08-26-2007, 12:13 PM
We have hit rock bottom.

Maybe its the "too much beer" syndrome from yesterday, but the more i think about this season the more depressed I get...

TEX
08-26-2007, 12:14 PM
We have hit rock bottom.

Maybe its the "too much beer" syndrome from yesterday, but the more i think about this season the more depressed I get...

I feel that way every time I look at Herm - I'm serious. :shake:

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Jesus.

It's as if the Chiefs starting Huard is like finding out your 14 year old daughter is having sex with a black dude...

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:16 PM
Jesus.

It's as if the Chiefs starting Huard is like finding out your 14 year old daughter is having sex with a black dude...
:spock:

HonestChieffan
08-26-2007, 12:17 PM
Its not Huard...its the package. And at the head of the bus stands the posterboy for Dickheads United...Herm

Reerun_KC
08-26-2007, 12:20 PM
Jesus.

It's as if the Chiefs starting Huard is like finding out your 14 year old daughter is having sex with a black dude...


No but it takes and exciting year of growing and having hope for the future, into another freaking year wasted with no hope or chance of being a competitive football team when it counts...

wash, rinse, repeat...

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:21 PM
This isn't the MLB...

You don't sacrifice NOW for a few draft spots...

The Chiefs best shot to win games is with Huard. Period.

Why in the hell should Herm sacrifice his job so that Croyle can get some snaps and some experience?

I think we all saw more than enough of the Brodie Croyle experiment this preseason.

His wife is hot, he'll get over it.

HonestChieffan
08-26-2007, 12:22 PM
croyle/Huard....one old one young neither very good.

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:24 PM
croyle/Huard....one old one young neither very good.
be that as it may...

Huard showed his leadership even on the last Hard Knocks episode...

Croyle just seems too passive to me. I don't like it.

Huard knows where everyone needs to be and isn't afraid to grill someone who isn't doing their job. He has 1/10 of the talent that Croyle has, but he gives the Chiefs the best chance to win on Sunday's...

Live with it.

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:24 PM
This isn't the MLB...

You don't sacrifice NOW for a few draft spots...

The Chiefs best shot to win games is with Huard. Period.

Why in the hell should Herm sacrifice his job so that Croyle can get some snaps and some experience?

I think we all saw more than enough of the Brodie Croyle experiment this preseason.

His wife is hot, he'll get over it.Thats it, You are just ****ing stupid...
:shake:

Reerun_KC
08-26-2007, 12:24 PM
This isn't the MLB...

You don't sacrifice NOW for a few draft spots...

The Chiefs best shot to win games is with Huard. Period.

Why in the hell should Herm sacrifice his job so that Croyle can get some snaps and some experience?

I think we all saw more than enough of the Brodie Croyle experiment this preseason.

His wife is hot, he'll get over it.


Thats right Hootie, that is why we will never win a superbowl or be competitive with our current status. But 9-7 keeps fans like you happy and content, while the rest of us watch other teams build soild quality football teams.

And congrats on being right about the starter for opening day, Nice call. :bravo:

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:25 PM
I think we all saw more than enough of the Brodie Croyle experiment this preseason.

Explain to me how 5 quarters is enough?

Reerun_KC
08-26-2007, 12:25 PM
be that as it may...

Huard showed his leadership even on the last Hard Knocks episode...

Croyle just seems too passive to me. I don't like it.

Huard knows where everyone needs to be and isn't afraid to grill someone who isn't doing their job. He has 1/10 of the talent that Croyle has, but he gives the Chiefs the best chance to win on Sunday's...

Live with it.


IF he would only do his and not over throw 3 yard swing passes....

HonestChieffan
08-26-2007, 12:26 PM
Hootie getting your info and developing understanding from a TV show.

Priceless

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:27 PM
Thats right Hootie, that is why we will never win a superbowl or be competitive with our current status. But 9-7 keeps fans like you happy and content, while the rest of us watch other teams build soild quality football teams.

And congrats on being right about the starter for opening day, Nice call. :bravo:Ignore him. He's retarded. He's been following the Chiefs for all of probably 5 season. YAY! 9-7!

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:27 PM
Thats it, You are just ****ing stupid...
:shake:
back to the "hootie is stupid" argument...

If I'm so stupid (and I want an answer here), how come everything I've said the entire time regarding the QB situation has come true?

ROYC75
08-26-2007, 12:28 PM
Depends if you want to win a few games now and go nowhere in the playoffs the next 3 - 4 years or lose now and have a better chance in 3- 4 years ?

Teams know Huard from last year, it won't be as easy for him this year....

It wasn't going to be easy for Croyle, but at least we/he can see if he has what it takes to get us to a SB.

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:28 PM
be that as it may...

Huard showed his leadership even on the last Hard Knocks episode...

Croyle just seems too passive to me. I don't like it.

Huard knows where everyone needs to be and isn't afraid to grill someone who isn't doing their job. He has 1/10 of the talent that Croyle has, but he gives the Chiefs the best chance to win on Sunday's...

Live with it.Huard...the next Peyton Manning. Wait, HE IS OLDER THAN MANNING, DUMBASS.

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:28 PM
Hootie getting your info and developing understanding from a TV show.

Priceless
dude, I don't even have cable...so I don't know what this even means.

HonestChieffan
08-26-2007, 12:28 PM
Are you really Herm...come on....fess up

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:29 PM
Ignore him. He's retarded. He's been following the Chiefs for all of probably 5 season. YAY! 9-7!
Yeah, you're right...

You're a much better fan than I am because you are older than me.

That's logic right there, folks!

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:30 PM
back to the "hootie is stupid" argument...

If I'm so stupid (and I want an answer here), how come everything I've said the entire time regarding the QB situation has come true?Herm is towing the company line. What is your excuse?

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:30 PM
Huard...the next Peyton Manning. Wait, HE IS OLDER THAN MANNING, DUMBASS.
Yeah, that's what I'm doing...

Comparing Huard to Manning.

Huard is a game manager...

He is by no means a talented, game-breaking QB...

He won't win games for you, and hopefully, he won't lose games for you...

With Croyle, the reason he didn't get the jobs is because the coaching staff feels as if he has the potential to LOSE games for the Chiefs.

It's really that simple. With the tough start to our season, starting Croyle would've been asinine.

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:32 PM
Herm is towing the company line. What is your excuse?
I have common sense.

You don't play for next year in the NFL. No one does. Too much parity, too many things can happen that take you from a 2-14 team to a 14-2 team the next season.

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:32 PM
Yeah, you're right...

You're a much better fan than I am because you are older than me.

That's logic right there, folks!The point is, you are brainwashed into the silly 'win now' mantra. Just wait. You will snap out of it in a few years...

BigMeatballDave
08-26-2007, 12:33 PM
I have common sense.

You don't play for next year in the NFL. No one does. Too much parity, too many things can happen that take you from a 2-14 team to a 14-2 team the next season.Well said, Carl...

cdcox
08-26-2007, 12:33 PM
back to the "hootie is stupid" argument...

If I'm so stupid (and I want an answer here), how come everything I've said the entire time regarding the QB situation has come true?

Because you have an uncanny ability to mimic an inept organization?

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:34 PM
The point is, you are brainwashed into the silly 'win now' mantra. Just wait. You will snap out of it in a few years...
Doubtful. There are 32 teams in the NFL...31 teams are losers every year.

How many teams have won the Super Bowl over the last 10 years?

I have another 10 years before I start getting impatient.

Besides, I love the NFL and the Chiefs far too much to have to suffer through 30 Croyle INT's this season.

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:35 PM
Because you have an uncanny ability to mimic an inept organization?
Inept?

ROFL

I think the Chiefs are doing pretty well...

I'll take this as a compliment.

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:36 PM
Well said, Carl...
Carl puts a winner on the field almost every season...

What does choking in the playoffs have to do with Carl? He fields a team that has playoff talent almost every season.

luv
08-26-2007, 12:36 PM
The point is, you are brainwashed into the silly 'win now' mantra. Just wait. You will snap out of it in a few years...
Not trying to interject into the argument here, but this reminds me of a poster on another site I've been going to. The dude says he's tired of seeing us make the same mistakes over and over again year after year, yet he's got that win now now now mentality. Does anyone else find that contradictory? Obviously, something's not working.

banyon
08-26-2007, 12:37 PM
To answer the starting post, we don't ever hit rock bottom. That's the problem. We don't rebuild, we try to fill up the holes in the dam with our fingers.

kcchiefsus
08-26-2007, 12:37 PM
be that as it may...

Huard showed his leadership even on the last Hard Knocks episode...

Croyle just seems too passive to me. I don't like it.

Huard knows where everyone needs to be and isn't afraid to grill someone who isn't doing their job. He has 1/10 of the talent that Croyle has, but he gives the Chiefs the best chance to win on Sunday's...

Live with it.

We're only going to live with it for half the season AT MOST.

Croyle will be starting by midseason. Huard will have been beaten to a bloody pulp by then and Croyle can come in as the savior.

Reerun_KC
08-26-2007, 12:37 PM
Doubtful. There are 32 teams in the NFL...31 teams are losers every year.

How many teams have won the Super Bowl over the last 10 years?

I have another 10 years before I start getting impatient.

Besides, I love the NFL and the Chiefs far too much to have to suffer through 30 Croyle INT's this season.


What about next season? or the season after that?

At what point do we say enough is enough with the never has been vet QB's recycling through arrowhead leading this team to no where?

When do you get tired of not being competitive?

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:39 PM
To answer the starting post, we don't ever hit rock bottom. That's the problem. We don't rebuild, we try to fill up the holes in the dam with our fingers.
Who rebuilds in the NFL? Where does this work? The Patriots just reload every year...

Like, what team was like, "ok, we suck...let's start players that will cause us to lose on Sunday so we can rebuild!"

Drafting 1st overall and 21st overall isn't a big enough difference to turn you from an average team to a Patriots dynasty.

This isn't baseball. There is no such thing as rebuilding. Developing talent? Yeah. Rebuilding? No. No one Florida Marlins' it and has a 14 million dollar payroll in the NFL.

Reerun_KC
08-26-2007, 12:46 PM
Who rebuilds in the NFL? Where does this work? The Patriots just reload every year...

Like, what team was like, "ok, we suck...let's start players that will cause us to lose on Sunday so we can rebuild!"

Drafting 1st overall and 21st overall isn't a big enough difference to turn you from an average team to a Patriots dynasty.

This isn't baseball. There is no such thing as rebuilding. Developing talent? Yeah. Rebuilding? No. No one Florida Marlins' it and has a 14 million dollar payroll in the NFL.


Whoa there sparky...

You are talking about an NFL Coach in Bill Belicheck vs a DIII coach in Herm Edwards...

You are comparing apples to raisins.....

Belicheck has something Herm will never ever see as a Coach...

Herm and Belicheck should never be talked about in the same paragraph, let alone same thread....

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:49 PM
Whoa there sparky...

You are talking about an NFL Coach in Bill Belicheck vs a DIII coach in Herm Edwards...

You are comparing apples to raisins.....

Belicheck has something Herm will never ever see as a Coach...

Herm and Belicheck should never be talked about in the same paragraph, let alone same thread....
Never compared Herm and Belicheck...

But Herm isn't a DIII coach. Don't kid yourself, Chief.

banyon
08-26-2007, 12:51 PM
Who rebuilds in the NFL? Where does this work? The Patriots just reload every year...

Like, what team was like, "ok, we suck...let's start players that will cause us to lose on Sunday so we can rebuild!"


Um, most every team except the Patriots and us have done this. The only difference is that they are good in the draft and we are lousy.

Drafting 1st overall and 21st overall isn't a big enough difference to turn you from an average team to a Patriots dynasty.

This isn't baseball. There is no such thing as rebuilding. Developing talent? Yeah. Rebuilding? No. No one Florida Marlins' it and has a 14 million dollar payroll in the NFL.

There are lots of teams that have done this succesfully, but I have to catch a plane so someone else I'm sure has watched the NFL over the past 10 years and can provide the numerous examples to you.

Short Leash Hootie
08-26-2007, 12:52 PM
Um, most every team except the Patriots and us have done this. The only difference is that they are good in the draft and we are lousy.



There are lots of teams that have done this succesfully, but I have to catch a plane so someone else I'm sure has watched the NFL over the past 10 years and can provide the numerous examples to you.
You're right.

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 12:54 PM
We're only going to live with it for half the season AT MOST.

Croyle will be starting by midseason. Huard will have been beaten to a bloody pulp by then and Croyle can come in as the savior.

Goddammit.

No one is saying Croyle is a Savior.

He's going to make mistakes. But why put those mistakes off a year (or even a half of a year) when you have ZERO chance to win a SB THIS year?

We're wasting a year (or half-year) by not finding out what we have NOW.

If not now, when?

milkman
08-26-2007, 12:58 PM
be that as it may...

Huard showed his leadership even on the last Hard Knocks episode...

Croyle just seems too passive to me. I don't like it.

Huard knows where everyone needs to be and isn't afraid to grill someone who isn't doing their job. He has 1/10 of the talent that Croyle has, but he gives the Chiefs the best chance to win on Sunday's...

Live with it.

Huard will give us a chance to win some games that Croyle might lose.

But, unless the defense suddenly turns into the Ravens D of a few years ago, a game manager is never going to take this team to the SB.

Why do I care if we win 9 games, as opposed to 6 games when I know the end result will be the same, a team sitting at home no later than the end of the first round of the playoffs.

With Huard at the helm this year, I know that not only is this a wasted season, but '09 is wasted as well.

WooHoo, I have two wasted seasons to look forward to!!!

Bwana
08-26-2007, 12:59 PM
We are doomed!!

Priest4Prez
08-26-2007, 01:00 PM
Um, most every team except the Patriots and us have done this. The only difference is that they are good in the draft and we are lousy.



There are lots of teams that have done this succesfully, but I have to catch a plane so someone else I'm sure has watched the NFL over the past 10 years and can provide the numerous examples to you.

Cincy, Saints (Brees is fairly young), San Diego, Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle, and Baltimore just to name a few

milkman
08-26-2007, 01:00 PM
We are doomed!!

To mediocrity.

TEX
08-26-2007, 01:04 PM
Cincy, Saints (Brees is fairly young), San Diego, Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle, and Baltimore just to name a few

Only Cincy and Frisco qualify. The other situations are not the same.

Bwana
08-26-2007, 01:05 PM
To mediocrity.
It would seem that is indeed the case, but is has been that way for a lot of years. Until there is a change in management, I don't see much changing. It sucks, but for now, it is what it is.

TEX
08-26-2007, 01:05 PM
Huard will give us a chance to win some games that Croyle might lose.

But, unless the defense suddenly turns into the Ravens D of a few years ago, a game manager is never going to take this team to the SB.

Why do I care if we win 9 games, as opposed to 6 games when I know the end result will be the same, a team sitting at home no later than the end of the first round of the playoffs.

With Huard at the helm this year, I know that not only is this a wasted season, but '09 is wasted as well.

WooHoo, I have two wasted seasons to look forward to!!!

Add to that, the kicking game is horrible...

Baconeater
08-26-2007, 01:08 PM
Um, most every team except the Patriots and us have done this. The only difference is that they are good in the draft and we are lousy.



There are lots of teams that have done this succesfully, but I have to catch a plane so someone else I'm sure has watched the NFL over the past 10 years and can provide the numerous examples to you.
There are also numerous examples of teams that fixed things on-the-fly. There simply isn't a foolproof formula to winning a SB.

Priest4Prez
08-26-2007, 01:09 PM
Only Cincy and Frisco qualify. The other situations are not the same.
I don't understand how the others are different?

milkman
08-26-2007, 01:09 PM
It would seem that is indeed the case, but is has been that way for a lot of years. Until there is a change in management, I don't see much changing. It sucks, but for now, it is what it is.


I am no longer bitter about it.

I have accepted it, years ago.

Priest4Prez
08-26-2007, 01:11 PM
could be worse, could be a raiders fan this year

Bwana
08-26-2007, 01:11 PM
I am no longer bitter about it.

I have accepted it, years ago.

Likewise.

Baconeater
08-26-2007, 01:13 PM
I am no longer bitter about it.

I have accepted it, years ago.
If rape is inevitable, you may as well lay back and enjoy it.

milkman
08-26-2007, 01:17 PM
If rape is inevitable, you may as well lay back and enjoy it.

This isn't rape.

It's hoping for a woman and getting a blowup doll.

HypnotizedMonkey
08-26-2007, 01:19 PM
Jesus.

It's as if the Chiefs starting Huard is like finding out your 14 year old daughter is having sex with a black dude...


*applause*

Baconeater
08-26-2007, 01:22 PM
This isn't rape.

It's hoping for a woman and getting a blowup doll.
Well, at least the blowup doll won't complain about you leaving the toilet seat up.

TN_Chief
08-26-2007, 01:25 PM
Huard showed his leadership even on the last Hard Knocks episode...That's what you call leadership? Clapping your hands and whining like a 7 year old girl? Well then, this regime (Carl, Herm, Mike Solari) will be perfect for you.

milkman
08-26-2007, 01:27 PM
Well, at least the blowup doll won't complain about you leaving the toilet seat up.

I'd rather drop the toilet seat down than clean up the blowup doll after I'm done.

HonestChieffan
08-26-2007, 01:29 PM
Hooties info comes from Hard Knocks....so, take his comments in that vein.

Herm will go when Clark Hunt wakes up down 15-20million on the income sheet.

the Talking Can
08-26-2007, 01:32 PM
"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"shazbot"

Logical
08-26-2007, 01:39 PM
Jesus.

It's as if the Chiefs starting Huard is like finding out your 14 year old daughter is having sex with a black dude...Clean-up in post 3 Mr. Moderators we clearly have a racism spill.

Crashride
08-26-2007, 01:56 PM
Jesus.

It's as if the Chiefs starting Huard is like finding out your 14 year old daughter is having sex with a black dude...

WOW :clap: :spock:

Skip Towne
08-26-2007, 02:05 PM
HOOTIE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!!!

Logical
08-26-2007, 02:06 PM
WOW :clap: :spock:Weird combination of smilies, are you applauding his racism or sex with a 14 year old?

Logical
08-26-2007, 02:07 PM
HOOTIE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!!!ROFL

Leave it to Skip to put the nOOb in their place.

stevieray
08-26-2007, 02:44 PM
I don't think we've hit rock bottom, I think we just can't get out of the way of our own two feet. If Trent was going to be gone, (contract plus injury), why was he starting the playoff game, especially in the second half? If Carl was touting Huards past performance in RF, and if they knew Trent wasn't the man this year, why weren't they already handing the reins over to Huard and making Brody earn the spot? Instead, they never set a leader at QB, hoping that competition would win out, when now it looks like both QBs are overcompensating due to the pressure to perform.

Sends a bad example and message to the whole team, especially the offense. No leader, no identity. No identity, not good...not bad... mediocrity.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 02:50 PM
I don't think we've hit rock bottom, I think we just can't get out of the way of our own two feet. If Trent was going to be gone, (contract plus injury), why was he starting the playoff game, especially in the second half? If Carl was touting Huards past performance in RF, and if they knew Trent wasn't the man this year, why weren't they already handing the reins over to Huard and making Brody earn the spot? Instead, they never set a leader at QB, hoping that competition would win out, when now it looks like both QB's are overcompensating due to the pressure to perform.

Sends a bad example and message to the whole team, especially the offense. No leader, no identity. No identity, not good...not bad... mediocrity.

Well said, Stevie.

If 45 yards passing and an INT wins you a starting job in the NFL, then look out.

Huard hasn't done anything to EARN the spot either.

Priest4Prez
08-26-2007, 02:51 PM
HOOTIE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!!!
ROFL when rich pigs fly out of a jewish man's ass LMAO

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-26-2007, 02:58 PM
Huard hasn't done anything to EARN the spot either.
He got it because of his track record from last year since Croyle did nothing to take it from him.

Otter
08-26-2007, 03:29 PM
Carl puts a winner on the field almost every season...

What does choking in the playoffs have to do with Carl? He fields a team that has playoff talent almost every season.

What does the GENERAL MANAGER have to do with putting the personal in place to win in the playoffs?!?!?

Come on dude, you're not that dumb.

TEX
08-26-2007, 03:33 PM
He got it because of his track record from last year since Croyle did nothing to take it from him.

Yep. Some don't want to see that. :shake:

Skip Towne
08-26-2007, 03:41 PM
Let's bring Marty in as an adviser. He made a living with shit QB's.

OnTheWarpath58
08-26-2007, 03:48 PM
Yep. Some don't want to see that. :shake:

Don't you think that if the staff was so happy with Huard's "track record" they would have handed him the job in the offseason?

If other teams thought Huard could repeat that performance, they would have contacted Damon' agent. Damon signed for backup money BEFORE free agency started because his agent told him there was no interest.

Why would they even give Croyle the chance if they were happy with Damons' play? He would have been told going in that he was the backup, just like they did with Huard backing up Green.

Could it be that they aren't completely sold on Huard's smoke and mirrors act of 2006?

Ozarks-Chiefs-Fan
08-26-2007, 04:07 PM
I wanted Croyle to be the starter...but like it or not Huard gives the Chiefs the best chance to win. I don't care if you are a superbowl team or not, to start the season you have to play the people who give you the best chance to win.

Adept Havelock
08-26-2007, 04:08 PM
Jesus.

It's as if the Chiefs starting Huard is like finding out your 14 year old daughter is having sex with a black dude...

:spock: :Lin:



If it's your 14 year old having sex, WTF difference does the color of the idiot (who deserves a sound beating) she's involved with have to do with anything?

On the other hand, maybe you have a point. When Huard fu**s up and gets yanked in the next few weeks, there won't be as much pressure on Brodie.

Rain Man
08-26-2007, 04:11 PM
I think a lot of you weren't around in the mid-1970s. We aren't even at the stairwell that leads to rock bottom.

Adept Havelock
08-26-2007, 04:12 PM
I think a lot of you weren't around in the mid-1970s. We aren't even at the stairwell that leads to rock bottom.


Yep, few seem to recall the 70's and 80's. One possible losing year, and the chicken littles are out in force.

Skip Towne
08-26-2007, 04:18 PM
Yep, few seem to recall the 70's and 80's. One possible losing year, and the chicken littles are out in force.
I do. I bought season tickets in '87 and my number was 13,XXX.