Gonzales resigns

[the Talking Can]

One threat to our freedoms gone. Staggering incompetence and dishonesty.
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Attorney General Gonzales resigns, officials say


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Embattled U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has resigned, senior administration officials told CNN Monday.

Many lawmakers from both sides of the aisle have long called for his ouster after the firing of several U.S. attorneys in 2006. President Bush had long stood by Gonzales.

One of Gonzales' chief critics, Sen. Charles E. Schumer released a statement Monday praising Gonzales for resigning.

"It has been a long and difficult struggle but at last, the Attorney General has done the right thing and stepped down," said the New York Democrat.

"For the previous six months, the Justice Department has been virtually nonfunctional and desperately needs new leadership," said the Schumer statement. "Democrats will not obstruct or impede a nominee who we are confident will put the rule of law above political considerations. We beseech the Administration to work with us to nominate someone whom Democrats can support and America can be proud of."
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Gonzales' move comes after Bush's chief political strategist Karl Rove announced his resignation earlier this month. Senior administration officials said White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten had told senior aides that if they intended to stay after Labor Day, plan to remain for the rest of Bush's term through January 2009.

Other White House officials who have left in the wake of the 2006 election include White House counselor Dan Bartlett, budget director Rob Portman, chief White House attorney Harriet Miers, political director Sara Taylor and deputy national security adviser J.D. Crouch and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/27/gonzales/index.html

[Ultra Peanut]

Hooooooollllly shit, I can't believe it happened.

[jAZ]

I'm completely shocked.

[Extra Point]

"What do you mean, I can't pardon myself?" -- George W. Bush, Jan 7, 2009.

[Nightwish]

Heheheh, Gonzo must have gotten tired of all the flaming poop bags on his doorstep.

Poor Bushie!

[HolmeZz]

LEMME RIDE DAT DONKEY DONKEY

[Nightwish]

I'll bet ol' patteeu is crying in his beer right about now, heh.

[Taco John]

For not getting anything done, the Democrats have managed to force the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and Alberto Gonzalez. It'll be interesting to see who takes his place. Confirming another Bush Bot isn't going to be an option.

[patteeu]

I'll bet ol' patteeu is crying in his beer right about now, heh.

I've said several times on this board that I'm not a fan of Gonzales, beginning before he was confirmed (possibly even before he was officially selected by the President). I think that being wrong as often as you are must be hard work, but I've got to admit that you make it look effortless.

[patteeu]

For not getting anything done, the Democrats have managed to force the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and Alberto Gonzalez. It'll be interesting to see who takes his place. Confirming another Bush Bot isn't going to be an option.

You might be able to make a case for that with Rumsfeld, since, generally speaking, democrats have been working day and night for 4 years to undermine the war effort in Iraq, but I see no reason to believe that Rove and Gonzalez left because of democrat action. Every administration has people leaving at the end of the term when it gets harder to get things done because of the political season.

For not getting anything done, the democrats have managed to shuffle their feet long enough to see a few administration officials leave at their own leisure. Wow, impressive. :thumb:

[Ultra Peanut]

democrats have been working day and night for 4 years to undermine the war effort in Iraq

[HolmeZz]

To believe Rove and Gonzales weren't forced out by political pressure is unbelievably delusional. I don't know how that is reality for anyone.

[HolmeZz]

Bush is speaking now, saying Alberto resigned because of the investigations. Spin it, Patty.

[tiptap]

The political me wonders if Warner will decide not to pursue getting troop levels down as aggressively. Timing is everything.

[Cochise]

To believe Rove and Gonzales weren't forced out by political pressure is unbelievably delusional. I don't know how that is reality for anyone.

LMAO to believe that Rove WAS is unbelievably delusional.

Keep checking for him under your bed before you tuck yourself in every night though ROFL

[Ultra Peanut]

Bush is speaking now, saying Alberto resigned because of the investigations. Spin it, Patty.But there was no "proof of wrong!"

[HolmeZz]

LMAO to believe that Rove WAS is unbelievably delusional.

He was not forced through the door in the same sense Rumsfeld and Gonzales were(mainly because he didn't need to claim full responsibility for most of this stuff), but to act like the attorney-firing scandal and the proceeding investigation didn't play a role is silly.

[Mr. Kotter]

It was time. The American people "win" today.

But so did partisan demagoguery and attack dog politics, masquerading as Congressional oversight.

What comes around, goes around....politics as usual, is preserved. :shake:

[Nightwish]

I've said several times on this board that I'm not a fan of Gonzales, beginning before he was confirmed (possibly even before he was officially selected by the President).
Sure, whatever you say, pat. ROFL

[Nightwish]

It was time. The American people "win" today.

But so did the effort to re-establish Congressional oversight.

FYP

[Bowser]

But there was no "proof of wrong!"

Plausible deniability is a godsend!


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[patteeu]

To believe Rove and Gonzales weren't forced out by political pressure is unbelievably delusional. I don't know how that is reality for anyone.

Rumsfeld was forced out because after years of talking down the war effort, democrats and other anti-war advocates had succeeded in turning the public against it. If Bush hadn't accepted Rumsfeld's resignation, it's very likely, IMO, that he wouldn't have gotten Congressional approval for the new "surge" strategy that he was developing. In that sense, I think it's fair to say that democrats forced Rumsfeld out.

What is it that the President couldn't get done with Rove and Gonzales still in place that he will now be able to accomplish, IYO?

[Taco John]

Rumsfeld was forced out because after years of talking down the war effort, democrats and other anti-war advocates had succeeded in turning the public against it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

You seriously think that the DEMOCRATS deserve an ounce of credit for the public turning against the war? Are you kidding me?

No sir. The Democrats didn't suceed in turning the public against anything. The public just saw bumble after bumble and recognized the lack of direction and leadership for what it was. The Democrats aren't nearly as powerful as you're giving them credit... It's just that the Republicans in control aren't either!


Seriously... There are a lot of conservatives on this board who have turned against the war. Are you trying to tell me that they did it because Nancy Pelosi is such a strong leader that she convinced them to flip on the guy they voted for? How stupid do you think these flip-floppers are, anyway?

You have to stop drinking your own koolaide.

[HonestChieffan]

Well said Mr. TacoJohn.

[Direckshun]

The thing is, not only does he believe the Democrats deserve an ounce of credit for the public turning against the war, he believes that they are primarily responsible for it.

[Nightwish]

The thing is, not only does he believe the Democrats deserve an ounce of credit for the public turning against the war, he believes that they are primarily responsible for it.
Yep, patty's world is a strange and alien one, indeed.

[Taco John]

The thing is, not only does he believe the Democrats deserve an ounce of credit for the public turning against the war, he believes that they are primarily responsible for it.


There once was a caveman who went hunting for food for his tribe. He happened upon a rotting carcass of diseased meat. THe meat was bad, but the coat was still good. He knew he could get much in trade for that coat. Plus he figured that he would be a hero for feeding his people. He clubbed the rotting carcass over the head and drug it home to his clan. At first people where happy when they saw him coming in the distance, dragging food behind him. Many cheered about what a great hunter he was. But the closer he got to home, the fewer cheered. Then they started to curse him when the saw that he was dragging home another rotting carcass.

Recognizing their disappointment in his failure, the hunter got mad and begun blaming everybody else for refusing to eat the rotten meat. The stench brought out the vegetarian tribal elders from their tents. They started jumping up and down pointing out the obvious: the meat was bad. The hunter was mad: If only the tribal elders would shut up, he could continue on with his story and eventually everybody would just accept that it was good, fresh meat, and they could fill their stomachs (and he could get his coat).

The hunter made his case: "Yes, we got sick, and many died from the last rotting carcass that we drug home and ate, but what you have to understand is that we wouldn't have gotten sick if only we'd have eaten MORE of it!"

The tribal elders started to make big noise and complain about the stupidity that was flowing from the hunter's mouth, but most of the clan ignored the commotion. They didn't need the tribal elders to form opinions for them. They were smart and knew themselves that the hunter was full of shit.

[patteeu]

The thing is, not only does he believe the Democrats deserve an ounce of credit for the public turning against the war, he believes that they are primarily responsible for it.

Whatever their share (and I lump in the "real conservatives" like BEP and the antiwar radicals who make up places like anti-war.com as well), they should be ashamed of themselves. Anti-democratic forces in Iraq, including al Qaeda and Iran, couldn't have hoped for a better PR operation, IMO.

[Nightwish]

Whatever their share (and I lump in the "real conservatives" like BEP and the antiwar radicals who make up places like anti-war.com as well), they should be ashamed of themselves. Anti-democratic forces in Iraq, including al Qaeda and Iran, couldn't have hoped for a better PR operation, IMO.There it is again - it isn't because Bush & Company didn't have the foresight to plan for a messy occupation. It wasn't because there were mistakes at several levels of the planning operation. It's all because some people were bad, bad meanies who criticized the war and Lil' Bush! Patteeu, I believe you have now officially and irrevocably moved from "hopeless sinking shipper" to complete, tunnel-visioned buffoon.

[Ultra Peanut]

It was time. The American people "win" today.

But so did partisan demagoguery and attack dog politics, masquerading as Congressional oversight.

What comes around, goes around....politics as usual, is preserved. :shake:I agree wholeheartedly. It's fine if you want to politicize the DoJ, but trying to shed some light on the extent of said politicization is utterly reprehensible.

[Taco John]

I'm not ashamed of myself for Bush's failure to deliver a plan for victory. Nor am I ashamed of myself for recognizing that Bush failed to deliver a plan for victory. I am, embarassed, however, that these facts look bad for America. It's a shame that Bush's failure means American failure.

[oldandslow]

Whatever their share (and I lump in the "real conservatives" like BEP and the antiwar radicals who make up places like anti-war.com as well), they should be ashamed of themselves. Anti-democratic forces in Iraq, including al Qaeda and Iran, couldn't have hoped for a better PR operation, IMO.

The people who should be ashamed are the ones that started this mess to begin with. Bad foreign policy is bad foreign policy.

[patteeu]

The people who should be ashamed are the ones that started this mess to begin with. Bad foreign policy is bad foreign policy.

IMO, the time to stop it and implement an alternative foreign policy, if you feel that way, was before it started. Once the bullets started flying, we should have all been pulling together for success. Alas, many have elected to do the opposite.

[Taco John]

IMO, the time to stop it and implement an alternative foreign policy, if you feel that way, was before it started. Once the bullets started flying, we should have all been pulling together for success. Alas, many have elected to do the opposite.


That's what you get when you bypass the Constitution, and don't declare war before going to war.

I'm not going to support an undeclared war. Especially a prolonged effort where there was no strategy to win the peace until the people re-arranged the congress.

[Dallas Chief]

There once was a caveman who went hunting for food for his tribe. He happened upon a rotting carcass of diseased meat. THe meat was bad, but the coat was still good. He knew he could get much in trade for that coat. Plus he figured that he would be a hero for feeding his people. He clubbed the rotting carcass over the head and drug it home to his clan. At first people where happy when they saw him coming in the distance, dragging food behind him. Many cheered about what a great hunter he was. But the closer he got to home, the fewer cheered. Then they started to curse him when the saw that he was dragging home another rotting carcass.

Recognizing their disappointment in his failure, the hunter got mad and begun blaming everybody else for refusing to eat the rotten meat. The stench brought out the vegetarian tribal elders from their tents. They started jumping up and down pointing out the obvious: the meat was bad. The hunter was mad: If only the tribal elders would shut up, he could continue on with his story and eventually everybody would just accept that it was good, fresh meat, and they could fill their stomachs (and he could get his coat).

The hunter made his case: "Yes, we got sick, and many died from the last rotting carcass that we drug home and ate, but what you have to understand is that we wouldn't have gotten sick if only we'd have eaten MORE of it!"

The tribal elders started to make big noise and complain about the stupidity that was flowing from the hunter's mouth, but most of the clan ignored the commotion. They didn't need the tribal elders to form opinions for them. They were smart and knew themselves that the hunter was full of shit.
Dude, did you just make this up or do did you get this from an Irrelevant Philosphy course at Boulder Community College??? It reminds of that scence from Billy Madison...

[Dallas Chief]

Dude, did you just make this up or do did you get this from an Irrelevant Philosphy course at Boulder Community College??? It reminds of that scence from Billy Madison...
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[Ultra Peanut]

IMO, the time to stop it and implement an alternative foreign policy, if you feel that way, was before it started. Once the bullets started flying, we should have all been pulling together for success. Alas, many have elected to do the opposite.If not for the Democrats and those pesky American people, we'd have won this war already. http://i19.tinypic.com/5zcuk3p.gif

[Ugly Duck]

The people who should be ashamed are the ones that started this mess to begin with.

The people who should be ashamed are the ones that voted for this pack of bumbling thieves. Shame on you.

[go bowe]

what she said...

[the Talking Can]

I agree wholeheartedly. It's fine if you want to politicize the DoJ, but trying to shed some light on the extent of said politicization is utterly reprehensible.

ROFL

that you take time to respond to him proves you have a gigantic heart...

[Cochise]

He was not forced through the door in the same sense Rumsfeld and Gonzales were(mainly because he didn't need to claim full responsibility for most of this stuff), but to act like the attorney-firing scandal and the proceeding investigation didn't play a role is silly.

The U.S. Attorneys were fired coming up on a year ago. If there is any active investigation into that, I'm not aware of it. They tried to come get him over Plame and whatever else they could, didn't get anything - even though just about every week, you could look at some kook message board and see people thinking that it was going to be that week. So what exactly 'forced him to resign'? The pressure over what? What's different right now? Is he going to be indicted "again"? LMAO

The DNC was trying to put him in jail for years and could never stick anything to him. Now he quits and - contrary to your fervent wishes - walks out of Washington having won the ultimate victory in all of this. No matter how much he was demonized and how many people they tried to get to incriminate him on something, he strolls out on his own terms. No indictments, no nothing. The cumulative efforts of the Democratic party for years to find something they could use to get rid of him were ultimately a total failure.

I would expect democrats to be embarrassed, thinking their big fish got away and to try to claim credit for it, it's amusing.

[oldandslow]

The people who should be ashamed are the ones that voted for this pack of bumbling thieves. Shame on you.

Huh...

I can honestly say I have never voted for a Bush. One or Jr. Not gonna vote for Jeb, Neal, Barbara Sr., Jenna, Babs II or Laura either.

[BigChiefDave]

For not getting anything done, the Democrats have managed to force the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and Alberto Gonzalez. It'll be interesting to see who takes his place. Confirming another Bush Bot isn't going to be an option.Wow, what a great Administration this has been...
:)

[the Talking Can]

The U.S. Attorneys were fired coming up on a year ago. If there is any active investigation into that, I'm not aware of it.

Does anyone on this board pay attention to anything their government does? I mean, we know Kotter doesn't; but what's your excuse?

Is it asking too much for people to have even the most pitiful amount of information on a subject before opining on it?

Justice Dept. Expands Probe To Include Hiring Practices

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 31, 2007; A04

Justice Department investigators have widened an internal probe of the firings of U.S. attorneys to include a broader examination of hiring practices at the sprawling department, including the troubled Civil Rights Division and programs for beginning lawyers, officials said yesterday.

"We have expanded the scope of our investigation to include allegations regarding improper political or other considerations in hiring decisions within the Department of Justice," Inspector General Glenn A. Fine and H. Marshall Jarrett, head of the Office of Professional Responsibility, wrote in joint letters to the House and Senate Judiciary committees.

The widening inquiry is likely to pose an additional challenge for Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, who is already facing lawmakers' calls for his resignation and a potential no-confidence vote by the Senate. While the U.S. attorney dismissals have prompted wide political criticism, improper hiring practices could be deemed a violation of the law.

Justice officials had previously disclosed that Fine and Jarrett's investigation would include hiring decisions made by Monica M. Goodling, a former Gonzales aide who confirmed last week in Senate testimony that she "crossed the line" in considering political affiliation when hiring career prosecutors and immigration judges....


....The internal inquiry was initially provoked by last year's coordinated firings of nine prosecutors, some of whom alleged they were removed after improper contact from GOP lawmakers or staffers. Parallel investigations by the House and Senate judiciary panels have focused attention on the conduct of senior Gonzales aides and on White House involvement in the prosecutor removals.

it was very hard to find this with google (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/30/AR2007053001499_pf.html)

[BIG_DADDY]

If we ever get an AG that is anything other than a complete POS I'll be shocked.

[BigChiefDave]

The people who should be ashamed are the ones that voted for this pack of bumbling thieves. Shame on you.Hi, my name is Dave, and I voted for Bush. :shake: :( :cuss:

[BIG_DADDY]

The people who should be ashamed are the ones that voted for this pack of bumbling thieves. Shame on you.

I certainly didn't vote for them. Sure would be nice if the Dems would bring anyone to the table that doesn't want to make me hurl.

UD,
Are you of the impression that Hillary is on the up an up?

[Cochise]

Does anyone on this board pay attention to anything their government does? I mean, we know Kotter doesn't; but what's your excuse?

Is it asking too much for people to have even the most pitiful amount of information on a subject before opining on it?

it was very hard to find this with google (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/30/AR2007053001499_pf.html)

Alright, we'll see if this is finally that fastball down the middle of the plate, and they will get something on Rove when they've swung and missed at about 150 in a row... :shake:

What I was writing, without wearing out my keyboard, was yeah - the democrats have launched about an investigation a day since they came back into power. They are probably investigating who is putting the toilet paper on with the flap on the outside instead of the inside. Some kind of a fishing expedition is going on all the time.

I acknowledge that if there was one, I didn't know, and that was because I tuned the US Attorneys flap out a long time ago. I heard about it, remember that Clinton fired them all on the same day, thought - more politics as usual.

If the Democrats didn't cry bloody murder dusk till dawn about every last bit of minutiae they can find, people like me might be inclined to take a closer look sometimes. Call it trumped-up scandal fatigue.

[patteeu]

Alright, we'll see if this is finally that fastball down the middle of the plate, and they will get something on Rove when they've swung and missed at about 150 in a row... :shake:

I'm waiting patiently for the indictments of Rove and Gonzales. I'm sure they're around the corner.

[Taco John]

They are probably investigating who is putting the toilet paper on with the flap on the outside instead of the inside.



That was me. I always put it on the outside.

[Taco John]

If the Democrats didn't cry bloody murder dusk till dawn about every last bit of minutiae they can find, people like me might be inclined to take a closer look sometimes. Call it trumped-up scandal fatigue.


No seriously... Like anybody thought that you'd be a fair arbiter regardless. If Bush spilt coffee on the table, you'd be in here singing the praises of his horizontal distribution strategy. Don't tell us about your lack of inclination to "take a closer look" or your supposed "scandal fatigue." LMAO

You're going to find reasons to defend Bush regardless. We all know that. You might not. You might actually think that you're some sort of bastion for fairness and justice. Hahaha! Sure you are buddy! :thumb:

[Adept Havelock]

Rumsfeld was forced out because after years of talking down the war effort, democrats and other anti-war advocates had succeeded in turning the public against it.

Nice of you to help start spinning the Iraqi war's Dolchstoßlegende.

Unfortunately for you, it's no more accurate than the post 1918 version was.

Maybe you can take comfort in the fact that like that version, some ijits will buy it.

If Bush spilt coffee on the table, you'd be in here singing the praises of his horizontal distribution strategy.

ROFL

OK, that was funny.

[penchief]

For not getting anything done, the Democrats have managed to force the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and Alberto Gonzalez.

Good point.

It's not like there isn't a lot of defections about this time in a president's second term but these defections seem to be strategic in nature. All were people closest to the president and the neocon ideology. That has to say something.

Could this be the prelude to a Cheney resignation?

[tiptap]

I am in the school of thought that since Rove resigned the need for Gonzales to remains and raise more rancor than Rove isn't there. So after a month of no appearances in Congress you get to go home. Pick up your paycheck in private practice.

[Adept Havelock]

Oh, and in honor of the departure of AG A.G.

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[penchief]

I am in the school of thought that since Rove resigned the need for Gonzales to remains and raise more rancor than Rove isn't there. So after a month of no appearances in Congress you get to go home. Pick up your paycheck in private practice.

Wow. That's something I hadn't thought of. Do you think they cut a deal? Do you think the dems in congress are giving up their hand in order to do what is best for the country in the immediate instead of pushing things to the point of prosecution, delay, and partisan rancor?

[patteeu]

Wow. That's something I hadn't thought of. Do you think they cut a deal? Do you think the dems in congress are giving up their hand in order to do what is best for the country in the immediate instead of pushing things to the point of prosecution, delay, and partisan rancor?

Yeah, that's it. ROFL

http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/RF/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/0075000/75000-75499/KS75061.JPG

[penchief]

Yeah, that's it. ROFL

http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/RF/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/0075000/75000-75499/KS75061.JPG

What happened to your usual obfuscating manner? You've decided to opt for the tinfoil hat accustation instead?

The bottom line is that there is a chasm of difference between the political pursuit of an opponent via issues that are irrelevant to his duties and which occurred prior his service -AS OPPOSED TO- letting someone off the hook for major violations committed while in the performance of their duties as public servants (a violation of governmental trust). Do you not agree?

To you, what is so unreasonable about the possibility that dems are willing to use this administration's digressions as leverage to inject common sense into the arena instead of doing what republicans usually do (use it to political advantage instead of change)?

[Ugly Duck]

UD,
Are you of the impression that Hillary is on the up an up?

Naw... she's just a placeholder for Bill - who will be directing things from behind the curtain. Much as the neocon cabal (Wolfowitz, Rummy, Rove, Cheney) has directed MonkeyBoy from behind the scenes.

[patteeu]

What happened to your usual obfuscating manner? You've decided to opt for the tinfoil hat accustation instead?

It's funny that you even think what you said is possible. It's so far out there that they apparently don't make pictures of crazy guys that look crazy enough to be appropriate for this purpose.

I doubt that that is even close to what tip tap meant with his post. I'm pretty confident that his post was more of a negative take on the administration (they don't need Gonzales to shield Rove anymore) than a crazy-positive take on the dems (they worked out a deal to get rid of both of them in return for not bringing down the hammer... in two weeks).

:p

http://www.tarzan.cc/image/int-na-crazyman.jpg

[penchief]

It's funny that you even think what you said is possible. It's so far out there that they apparently don't make pictures of crazy guys that look crazy enough to be appropriate for this purpose.

I doubt that that is even close to what tip tap meant with his post. I'm pretty confident that his post was more of a negative take on the administration (they don't need Gonzales to shield Rove anymore) than a crazy-positive take on the dems (they worked out a deal to get rid of both of them in return for not bringing down the hammer... in two weeks).

:p

http://www.tarzan.cc/image/int-na-crazyman.jpg

I was prodded to think about it and that's not a bad thing.

That said, the fact that you abandoned your usual mild-mannered watering-down-of-the-giste style in favor of flat-out desperation is telling, IMO.

The fact that you can't recognize the difference between what occurred as the so aptly titled "Repbulican Revolution" and what occurred during the pursuit of justice and legitimate government oversight only proves that you are a partisan hack incapable of placing the interests of the country above the interests of your ideology. You are no different than the White House or the Neocons.

Please try to show some objectivity. People who cry about the media shouldn't own it and people who cry crocodile tears shouldn't condemn others.

[penchief]

By the way, let me be the first to nominate REPUBLICAN Arlen Specter for the next Attorney General. Even I recognize integrity when I see it.

[banyon]

By the way, let me be the first to nominate REPUBLICAN Arlen Specter for the next Attorney General. Even I recognize integrity when I see it.

I agree, but his integrity is exactly the reason why he would want nothing to do with this administration.

[patteeu]

That said, the fact that you abandoned your usual mild-mannered watering-down-of-the-giste style in favor of flat-out desperation is telling, IMO.

It should be telling. It should be telling you that your theory is too flaky to take seriously. It doesn't pass the laugh test, as they say.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Sorry if I did.

[CRONUS]

Outstanding news, should have happened at least a month ago but better late than never.

[CRONUS]

I'm not ashamed of myself for Bush's failure to deliver a plan for victory. Nor am I ashamed of myself for recognizing that Bush failed to deliver a plan for victory. I am, embarassed, however, that these facts look bad for America. It's a shame that Bush's failure means American failure.

So true

[penchief]

It should be telling. It should be telling you that your theory is too flaky to take seriously. It doesn't pass the laugh test, as they say.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Sorry if I did.

The only thing it means is that you took the easy way instead of addressing it.

Just the fact that you propose so much pretzel logic in defending the antics of this crooked administration only reinforces the notion that you are incapable of seeing the forest through the trees.

And just because my objectivity appears as zany and illogical to you doesn't mean that you aren't the one that lives in La La Land.

[memyselfI]

Great news...

too bad his boss isn't going with him.

[Nightwish]

And just because my objectivity appears as zany and illogical to you doesn't mean that you aren't the one that lives in La La Land.
Someday I'm going to compile a long list of patteeu quotes, put them together in a book, and title it "The World is Out of Step."