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CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 01:15 PM
I am asking because the Rugby World Cup is starting next week and the US is in it. Unfortunately, we are in the group of death.

South Africa
England
US
Samoa
Tonga

Scaga
08-29-2007, 01:26 PM
None
:shrug:

carlos3652
08-29-2007, 01:27 PM
Argentina Pumas....

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 01:31 PM
Argentina Pumas....

I think the All Blacks have to be favorites (they always are but somehow manage to choke). Also...France is strong this WC, South Africa and Australia are tough as always. England is a good side and Samoa has Tuilagi.

carlos3652
08-29-2007, 01:40 PM
I think France is going to be tough to beat for the Homecourt advantage...

All Blacks, England, and Australia... Its going to be a repeat of the final 4 of 2003 with a different winner (France, I think will win - England won 2003)

I think Argentina will come in 2nd in their group, but Ireland might take them again just like in 2003 which sucked... Namibia and Georgia are screwed...

US is in the group of death and will probably only get 1 win (vs Tonga), I predict 20+ margin of Victory for England, Samoa and SA over the US...

I think the Americas wont represent in the Final 8 unless Argentina squeezes in vs Ireland...

Canada is screwed too... Wales, Australia and Fiji will fight it out for the top two in their division...

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 01:44 PM
I think France is going to be tough to beat for the Homecourt advantage...

All Blacks, England, and Australia... Its going to be a repeat of the final 4 of 2003 with a different winner (France, I think will win - England won 2003)

I think Argentina will come in 2nd in their group, but Ireland might take them again just like in 2003 which sucked... Namibia and Georgia are screwed...

US is in the group of death and will probably only get 1 win (vs Tonga), I predict 20+ margin of Victory for England, Samoa and SA over the US...

I think the Americas wont represent in the Final 8 unless Argentina squeezes in vs Ireland...

Canada is screwed too... Wales, Australia and Fiji will fight it out for the top two in their division...

I wouldn't count out South Africa for the final 4. JMO.

kepp
08-29-2007, 01:49 PM
None
:shrug:
Now I'm thinking there are two.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 01:53 PM
Now I'm thinking there are two.

We have an Australian M8 that occasionally posts on here who is a Rugby fan as well. I am sure he will be rooting for his Wallabies to take it all and that isn't out of the question. They have a good side. If the US don't qualify for the knockout stage, I will be rooting for them.

kepp
08-29-2007, 01:56 PM
We have an Australian M8 that occasionally posts on here who is a Rugby fan as well. I am sure he will be rooting for his Wallabies to take it all and that isn't out of the question. They have a good side. If the US don't qualify for the knockout stage, I will be rooting for them.
I knew a couple guys from South Africa a few years back. They'd play flag football with us and it was pretty difficult to get their flags...something about how rugby players "turn with their hips" they said.

carlos3652
08-29-2007, 02:05 PM
I wouldn't count out South Africa for the final 4. JMO.

SA will barely make it to the top 8 if they beat Samoa in the group... (I know they beat them soundly in 2003)

The fact that they would have to play most likely Australia (or Wales maybe) in the 1/4 finals doesnt really help them...

My Dark Horse is Fiji to make it to the top 8 and maybe pull an upset to land top 4

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 02:07 PM
I knew a couple guys from South Africa a few years back. They'd play flag football with us and it was pretty difficult to get their flags...something about how rugby players "turn with their hips" they said.

Professional Rugby players are in SUPERB physical condition. Big, strong, fast and have a TON of endurance. Tough as Chinese Arithmetic as well. They are almost the ultimate athletes.

Oh Snap
08-29-2007, 02:12 PM
chief4ever, are you from england? The manchester united...

brorth
08-29-2007, 02:16 PM
I just went to the World Cup send off and watched our Eagles get beat by what was essentially a Munster U23 side. We don't have a snowballs chance in hell to come out of our pool. France is weak right now. my picks to advance are:
Pool A SA, England
Pool B Australia, Wales
Pool C NZ, Scotland
Pool D Ireland, Argentina

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 02:16 PM
chief4ever, are you from england? The manchester united...

No, I am from the US. Ironically, I was a Werder Bremen fan a bit before I was a Manchester United fan but I am MUCH more passionate about United.

Silock
08-29-2007, 02:17 PM
I'd like to be a rugby fan, but there are too many sports to keep up with and rugby just doesn't make the cut.

Donger
08-29-2007, 02:18 PM
Nope.

Frazod
08-29-2007, 02:18 PM
I've seen it played a couple of times at Scottish festivals. Great game. I'd probably watch it if it was on at regular times.

Too bad it was soccer that caught the world's attention and not rugby. Rugby is actually interesting.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 02:20 PM
I just went to the World Cup send off and watched our Eagles get beat by what was essentially a Munster U23 side. We don't have a snowballs chance in hell to come out of our pool. France is weak right now. my picks to advance are:
Pool A SA, England
Pool B Australia, Wales
Pool C NZ, Scotland
Pool D Ireland, Argentina

I agree except for Pool D. I see France and Ireland advancing.

Skip Towne
08-29-2007, 02:21 PM
Professional Rugby players are in SUPERB physical condition. Big, strong, fast and have a TON of endurance. Tough as Chinese Arithmetic as well. They are almost the ultimate athletes.
Do NFL teams recruit them?

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 02:24 PM
Do NFL teams recruit them?

No. Because they have entirely different skill sets. I daresay there are rugby players, if given the proper instruction, who could play defense in the NFL.

Chief Chief
08-29-2007, 02:28 PM
I have to believe that the U.S. rugby team would consider any group its in to be the group of death.

Chief Chief
08-29-2007, 02:29 PM
I have to believe that the U.S. rugby team would consider any group it's in to be the group of death.

underEJ
08-29-2007, 02:40 PM
All Blacks!!

I worked in Wellington for a while, and an All Blacks match is much like a Chiefs game in the stands. Great fun people even in the rain and cold. I absolutely loved it.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 02:41 PM
I've seen it played a couple of times at Scottish festivals. Great game. I'd probably watch it if it was on at regular times.

Too bad it was soccer that caught the world's attention and not rugby. Rugby is actually interesting.

I have Setanta so I will be able to watch it on DVR.

US schedule, all times Central:

8 September, England v USA, 11:00 am
12 September, USA v Tonga, 7:00 am
26 September, Samoa v USA, 1:00 pm
30 September, South Africa v USA, 1:00 pm

brorth
08-29-2007, 02:47 PM
I agree except for Pool D. I see France and Ireland advancing.
It might be more wishful thinking than anything about Argentina, I just hate France.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 02:50 PM
I just hate France.

Me too but they are a good side and they are playing at home.

Adept Havelock
08-29-2007, 02:53 PM
I don't quite understand it, but I enjoy watching it.

The single most violent thing I think I've ever seen was a Women's Rugby game.

They didn't seem to be playing a game. It looked more like "Kill the chick with the ball".

underEJ
08-29-2007, 02:53 PM
No. Because they have entirely different skill sets. I daresay there are rugby players, if given the proper instruction, who could play defense in the NFL.


Some of my coworkers were telling me about a meeting of the All Blacks and the Miami Dolphins in an ours then yours double header of rugby first then football. I still call it the "mythical meeting" because no one can find me any proof, but according to them the All Blacks won the rugby part easily, and then won the football part but not as easily.

Anybody hear of this?

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 02:58 PM
Some of my coworkers were telling me about a meeting of the All Blacks and the Miami Dolphins in an ours then yours double header of rugby first then football. I still call it the "mythical meeting" because no one can find me any proof, but according to them the All Blacks won the rugby part easily, and then won the football part but not as easily.

Anybody hear of this?

No. I would call BS on that. The All Blacks against ANY TEAM we could muster in Rugby? Sure. Hands down. But Rugby players don't block, throw or catch (passes). That's the part I wouldn't buy.

Zeke Ziggle
08-29-2007, 03:11 PM
Do NFL teams recruit them?

Back in the eighties there was a guy from oz who was a part of the Australian schoolboys team. he played for the university of hawaii and even got drafted. I think his name was Colin Scotts

carlos3652
08-29-2007, 03:22 PM
Pool A England, SA
Pool B Australia, Wales
Pool C NZ, FIJI (darkhorse)
Pool D France, Argentina (I hope) / Ireland

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 03:29 PM
Back in the eighties there was a guy from oz who was a part of the Australian schoolboys team. he played for the university of hawaii and even got drafted. I think his name was Colin Scotts

I don't remember him but that isn't to say it didn't happen.

Here are some famous ruggers however:

Rugby savant and investigative reporter Thomas J. Hamill adds:
"I came up with the following former rugby players who have made it in the outside world:
Fran Tarkenton - The Hall of Fame quarterback was in a deodorant commercial several years ago playing a scrumhalf. I was not able to find independent confirmation, but I heard several years ago (before the commercial) that he actually played.
Gary Anderson - The Vikings kicker who didn't miss a field goal last season until the Super Bowl was on the line was born in South Africa. His early days kicking a fatter ball have been frequently documented in NFL telecasts.
Chris Farley - Did you notice the Marquette Rugby Jacket in "Tommy Boy?" Chris went to Marquette and played rugby. He showed up at his first practice wearing baggy shorts and a pink polo shirt. During matches he would hike his shorts into sumo mode. Jim Murphy- Creative partner in Pixar Entertainment and Chris Farley's roommate and team mate at Marquette.
The Wilmington, Delaware Rugby Mafia - For years, the power structure of Wilmington, Delaware and the Wilmington Rugby club were one and the same. Late mayor Dan Frawley played and had the city's minor league stadium named after him. Former mover and shaker (and now convicted murderer) Tom Capano was often identified by his rugby connections prior to his arrest for killing his estranged girlfriend. (Goes to show that we can take our misogyny too far.) The Wilmington connection has been documented several times in Rugby Magazine.
Frank Blee - Maybe a stretch, but the New Jersey assemblyman from Atlantic City was my team mate and a prop at Dickinson College 1978-80.
Roh Tae Woo: President of South Korea; served during 1988 Olympics.
Tony O'Reilly: Chairman of Heinz Foods is a former Irish International and also a former British Lion. From an O'Reilly bio: "A world-class sportsman, Dr. O'Reilly played rugby for Ireland 29 times and for the British and Irish "Lions" team 10 times. He is a member of the Test Series winning British Lions Tour of South Africa in 1955 and of the Tour of New Zealand and Australia in 1959, where he established scoring records on both tours that have remained unbroken." He once told a story of when he played England at Twickenham and found that he had forgotten to bring laces for his boots. No other Irish player had spares so he went to the England dressing room to ask if they had any spare laces. Outside the door he heard the England captain exhorting his players to smash the Irishmen from the bogs and to trample anyone that got in their way. O'Reilly waited until he reached a climax, stuck his head round the door and asked, in a very pronounced Irish accent, if anyone had any hairy twine they could spare for him to tie his boots on.
David Dixon: Offensive guard, Minnesota Vikings (must be something about the Vikings), 6'4", 350 pound former lock from New Zealand. Walked on in Junior College, transferred to ASU, and has now had a good career in the NFL. He just signed a four-year, $10 million contract, so he can compare net worth with Jonah Lomu.
Thomas Dolby: When not blinded by science, he played until his hands became too valuable.
Mick Luckhurst: Former NFL kicker had bigger balls in England.
Tom Foley: Pennsylvania Senate candidate and Commissioner of Labor. His playing while doing humanitarian work in Ireland is well documented.
Steve Tasker: Too small to be drafted by the NFL, he took up rugby in the spring of his senior year at Northwestern. From what I understand, they used him at flyhalf. Then the Bills drafted him and he went to about ten Pro Bowls as a special team specialist.
Andre the Giant: Played as a kid in France.
Ernie Els: Played as a kid in South Africa (if you can believe that) until his gift for golf became apparent.
And one who became famous, then played rugby: Tom Okon: Who? If you're over 30, you know him. The kid in the Mean Joe Green Coke commercial, gets Green's Jersey for a coke. Went on to play High School rugby at Fordham Prep.
Joe, an Internet correspondent, adds: Mark Cuban, current owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team and founder of broadcast.com (now Yahoo! Broadcast). He supposedly played at Indiana University according to an article in the Dallas Morning News.

Adept Havelock
08-29-2007, 04:01 PM
Even if he only played as a kid, the notion of playing Rugby against Andre the Giant is almost enough to make me drop 10 pounds of brown in my britches.

Frazod
08-29-2007, 04:14 PM
Even if he only played as a kid, the notion of playing Rugby against Andre the Giant is almost enough to make me drop 10 pounds of brown in my britches.

He'd probably be fairly easy to avoid in the open field, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the bottom of a pile he was on the top of. :eek:

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 04:16 PM
Even if he only played as a kid, the notion of playing Rugby against Andre the Giant is almost enough to make me drop 10 pounds of brown in my britches.

LMAO I hear ya'.

THIS dude is a BAD MOFO...........

http://www.teivovo.com/img/hd.gif MANU SAMOA
http://www.teivovo.com/img/clr.gif
http://www.teivovo.com/photos/pacific_rubgy/samoa/2002_samoans/henry_tuilagi.jpgHenry Tuilagi (loose forward)
Marist St Josephs (Apia),
Apia West (Samoa NPC)

Born:
12 August 1976

Family Village(s):
Fogapoa & Fatausi

1m86, 121kg

Manu Samoa Debut: 2000

That's 6'1", 266 lbs. And he ain't fat. :eek: He runs like a deer and hits like a battering ram. His 2 brothers played with him at Leicester in England.

Frazod
08-29-2007, 04:17 PM
LMAO I hear ya'.

THIS dude is a BAD MOFO...........

http://www.teivovo.com/img/hd.gif MANU SAMOA
http://www.teivovo.com/img/clr.gif
http://www.teivovo.com/photos/pacific_rubgy/samoa/2002_samoans/henry_tuilagi.jpgHenry Tuilagi (loose forward)
Marist St Josephs (Apia),
Apia West (Samoa NPC)

Born:
12 August 1976

Family Village(s):
Fogapoa & Fatausi

1m86, 121kg

Manu Samoa Debut: 2000

That's 6'1", 266 lbs. And he ain't fat. :eek: He runs like a deer and hits like a battering ram. His 2 brothers played with him at Leicester in England.


Jesus. Somebody call Carl - I think we just found Shields' replacement.

Skip Towne
08-29-2007, 04:18 PM
LMAO I hear ya'.

THIS dude is a BAD MOFO...........

http://www.teivovo.com/img/hd.gif MANU SAMOA
http://www.teivovo.com/img/clr.gif
http://www.teivovo.com/photos/pacific_rubgy/samoa/2002_samoans/henry_tuilagi.jpgHenry Tuilagi (loose forward)
Marist St Josephs (Apia),
Apia West (Samoa NPC)

Born:
12 August 1976

Family Village(s):
Fogapoa & Fatausi

1m86, 121kg

Manu Samoa Debut: 2000

That's 6'1", 266 lbs. And he ain't fat. :eek: He runs like a deer and hits like a battering ram. His 2 brothers played with him at Leicester in England.

Sounds like a LB.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 04:23 PM
Henry Tuilagi is a World Class Rugby forward. When he has the ball, no single man on this Earth can bring him down. It takes at least 2, more commonly 3.

brorth
08-29-2007, 04:40 PM
He couldn't tackle, but God forbid you got in his way. At 275 lbs he ran a 10.8 100 yard dash.
Full name Jonah Tali Lomu
Date of birth May 12, 1975 (1975-05-12) (age 32)
Place of birth Auckland, New Zealand
Height 1.96 m (6 ft 5 in)
Weight 120 kg (264 lb)
Rugby union career
Position Wing
All Black No. 941
Lomu's physique was particularly suited for rugby as he is large, fast, and strong - qualities he augments with aggression, skill, and an intimidating presence on the field. At 1.96[3] metres (6 foot 5 inches/195.58 centimetres), Lomu is as tall as most locks, and at 119 kilograms[3] (18.7 stone/262 pounds) is as heavy as most props. Despite his size he was (the All Blacks heaviest ever back), when healthy, still able to run 100 metres (109.4 yards) in 10.89 seconds.[4]

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 04:41 PM
He couldn't tackle, but God forbid you got in his way. At 275 lbs he ran a 10.8 100 yard dash.
Full name Jonah Tali Lomu
Date of birth May 12, 1975 (1975-05-12) (age 32)
Place of birth Auckland, New Zealand
Height 1.96 m (6 ft 5 in)
Weight 120 kg (264 lb)
Rugby union career
Position Wing
All Black No. 941
Lomu's physique was particularly suited for rugby as he is large, fast, and strong - qualities he augments with aggression, skill, and an intimidating presence on the field. At 1.96[3] metres (6 foot 5 inches/195.58 centimetres), Lomu is as tall as most locks, and at 119 kilograms[3] (18.7 stone/262 pounds) is as heavy as most props. Despite his size he was (the All Blacks heaviest ever back), when healthy, still able to run 100 metres (109.4 yards) in 10.89 seconds.[4]

Lomu is still a legend. Tuilagi is still chasing his legend.

brorth
08-29-2007, 04:48 PM
Michael Iceman Jones was the first player I remember being awe struck with. He was like a Bo Jackson and Michael Jordan wrapped into one. He is probably still the most amazing player I've ever watched in any sport.

brorth
08-29-2007, 04:50 PM
Oh, BTW my avi is our local (here in KC) club's crest.
The Northland Rugby Football Club Fighting Cocks.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 04:52 PM
Michael Iceman Jones was the first player I remember being awe struck with. He was like a Bo Jackson and Michael Jordan wrapped into one. He is probably still the most amazing player I've ever watched in any sport.

Which Premiership and /or Magners teams do you support if any? (If I can be so bold to ask). You obviously know your Rugby.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 04:53 PM
Oh, BTW my avi is our local (here in KC) club's crest.
The Northland Rugby Football Club Fighting Cocks.

I didn't know KC had a Rugby Club. :banghead:

brorth
08-29-2007, 04:57 PM
I didn't know KC had a Rugby Club. :banghead:
Oh yeah, in KC there are:
KC Blues D1
KCRFC D1
County Sundogs D2
Northland RFC D3
There's a KU men's club D2 in Lawrence , Pitt State D3 has a club, CMSU D3, Salina D3, Topeka D3.

jidar
08-29-2007, 04:58 PM
I might have but everytime a Rugby fan starts talking about Rugby they inevitably make some annoying and snide comment about NFL players and pads.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 05:01 PM
I might have but everytime a Rugby fan starts talking about Rugby they inevitably make some annoying and snide comment about NFL players and pads.

2 completely different sports, each with similarities and their own attractions.

brorth
08-29-2007, 05:01 PM
ESPN just bought scrum.com, and ESPNU showed the match last weekend in Chicago live.
Someday, a few NFL boys who are tired of not being able to market their faces or personalities will stumble onto a rugby club, and then the sport will take off faster than soccer.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 05:05 PM
ESPN just bought scrum.com, and ESPNU showed the match last weekend in Chicago live.
Someday, a few NFL boys who are tired of not being able to market their faces or personalities will stumble onto a rugby club, and then the sport will take off faster than soccer.

It wouldn't bother me a bit to see our media pay more attention to Rugby. With more interest, maybe our USMNT would be improved as a result.

brorth
08-29-2007, 05:13 PM
I'm serious about how bad we looked in Chicago, our problem is just that we don't have the athletes to compete against any nation that doesn't play football. American football requires too similar an athlete to rugby, and we're the only country that plays football as much as we do. Hopefully after a few people hear of the tremendous ass whippings we'll take this year at the World Cup (ala soccer) more people will feel a need to defend the US in this sport. It made me sick that I didn't see a single American player that looked out of my league. I don't say that to be cocky, because I was amazed by some of the kids on the Munster side, we just looked like incredibly average people playing out of our league.

CHIEF4EVER
08-29-2007, 05:18 PM
I'm serious about how bad we looked in Chicago, our problem is just that we don't have the athletes to compete against any nation that doesn't play football. American football requires too similar an athlete to rugby, and we're the only country that plays football as much as we do. Hopefully after a few people hear of the tremendous ass whippings we'll take this year at the World Cup (ala soccer) more people will feel a need to defend the US in this sport. It made me sick that I didn't see a single American player that looked out of my league. I don't say that to be cocky, because I was amazed by some of the kids on the Munster side, we just looked like incredibly average people playing out of our league.

Don't get depressed by that. Our MNT is, in essence, lower league players in any other nation in the world playing against top flight. I am a fan of Munster and I can tell you that their reserves are better than anything we have to offer at this point. A good beatdown in the WC will maybe awaken the need for top flight Rugby players in this country.

Chiefs=Good
08-30-2007, 04:11 AM
Rugby's a good game but it has nothing on AFL (Aussie Rules Football). Also there are two types of rugby union and rugby league, union being the game featured in the world cup.

C-Mac
08-30-2007, 08:57 AM
I played Rugby in college, a scrum bum at Pitt State. Though it is a rough sport, I found it to be much more violent to watch than actually playing it.

brorth
08-30-2007, 09:26 AM
Though it is a rough sport, I found it to be much more violent to watch than actually playing it.
It's because if you were watching it, they were in a lot better shape than were. J/K I know quite a few Silverbacks, when did you run?

CHIEF4EVER
08-31-2007, 04:39 PM
Odds on winning it all by nation:

http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/world-cup/rugby-world-cup-2007/winning-hemisphere

Dear Lord, we are rated below Tonga for goodness sake.