Pathetic. VTech Pres on right now spinning and defending

[memyselfI]

Give me a break. He said the panel is sound and helpful in it's recommendations but then is going point by point and defending his/the school's actions/lack of that are criticized by the report.

They determined the administration did not act appropriately. He should be resigning and not spinning.

[Taco John]

*shrug*

The kid was a nut. The VTech president can't be responsible for every nut.

[|Zach|]

Every campus security staffer can't get SWAT training.

[chagrin]

He should resign why exactly?

[Mr. Kotter]

Anyone who thinks that all colleges and universities can implement measures to prevent a psycho like this from doing what he did....is moonbat-batshit crazy. :rolleyes:

:shake:

[BIG_DADDY]

I guess you must be running out of things to be outraged by.

[Cochise]

As usual, it's everyone's fault except the person who did it.

[|Zach|]

Anyone who thinks that all colleges and universities can implement measures to prevent a psycho like this from doing what he did....is moonbat-batshit crazy. :rolleyes:

:shake:
No doubt

[Brock]

What, you mean we don't have a mass murderer evacuation plan in place?

[Duck Dog]

But the panel also concluded that a lockdown of the 131 buildings on campus would not have been feasible. And while the first message sent by the university could have gone out at least an hour earlier and been more specific, Cho likely still would have found more people to kill, it said.

"There does not seem to be a plausible scenario of a university response to the double homicide that could have prevented the tragedy of considerable magnitude on April 16," the report said. "Cho had started on a mission of fulfilling a fantasy of revenge."

The breakdown was between State Government and the University.

[Duck Dog]

As usual, it's everyone's fault except the person who did it.


Stupid liberals.

[pikesome]

As usual, it's everyone's fault except the person who did it.

You can't sue the guy who did it.

[memyselfI]

Agreed, there is no way to PREVENT someone from doing something like this. The key is containment. The REPORT states the university did not do enough to contain the situation once it arose. Which was my beef with the VTech administration the day it happened. The report confirms my hunch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/30/AR2007083000908.html

Kaine also agreed with the report''s finding that, "in retrospect," the university should have warned the campus much sooner -- after two people were killed at West Ambler Johnson Hall--that there had been a shooting and a gunman could be roaming the campus.
"This was an emergency," Kaine said. "There needed to be an ability to immediately give information to people in that community and on that campus to protect their own safety."

Kaine said he will likely push for reforms and funding for mental-health improvements on a variety of fronts: through his own power to issue executive orders; through state and federal lawmakers; and through administrative changes to campus security policy.

"The magnitude of the losses suffered by victims and their families, the Virginia Tech community, and our Commonwealth is immeasurable," Kaine said. " . . . We must now challenge ourselves to study this report carefully and make changes that will reduce the risk of future violence on our campuses. If we act in that way, we will honor the lives and sacrifices of all who suffered on that terrible day."

Kaine appointed the eight-member panel three days after the April 16 massacre, charging it with examining every aspect of the shootings and the events that led up to them.

The report, released last night, concluded that lives could have been saved if officials had issued an alert sooner that a gunman was on campus. It found that Cho went to the campus counseling center after he was ordered to do so by a judge in 2005 but that the center failed to treat Cho. The panel's report also says the center was passive in its follow-up and is missing important records about Cho's visit and telephone conversations with counselors.

[DanT]

There's a big damn difference between a mistake and an act that would warrant resignation.

[memyselfI]

There's a big damn difference between a mistake and an act that would warrant resignation.

A mistake that ended up costing 31 more lives is not a small OOOPs.

[DanT]

A mistake that ended up costing 31 more lives is not a small OOOPs.


How do you figure that the mistake cost 31 more lives?

[Taco John]

Agreed, there is no way to PREVENT someone from doing something like this. The key is containment. The REPORT states the university did not do enough to contain the situation once it arose. Which was my beef with the VTech administration the day it happened. The report confirms my hunch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/30/AR2007083000908.html




Seems like a pretty stupid expectation to me. The initial thought was that it was an isolated incident.

I'm not going to waste any more time on the subject.

[BIG_DADDY]

A mistake that ended up costing 31 more lives is not a small OOOPs.
I'm surprised you haven't blamed it all on those evil guns yet.

[memyselfI]

Seems like a pretty stupid expectation to me. The initial thought was that it was an isolated incident.

I'm not going to waste any more time on the subject.

Stupid to expect those in charge had a responsibility to warn other students that someone with a gun who's already killed someone might be loose on campus.

Wow. Glad those who wrote the report and are working to change things and find answers versus the 'we are helpless' attitude some here would have. If finding those in charge were not effective or even responsive in this situation will prevent others from being harmed in the future than the accountability needs to be addressed. I think those who wrote the report saw that and did not let the administration off easy when that would have been the easy thing to do.

[Radar Chief]

Seems like a pretty stupid expectation to me. The initial thought was that it was an isolated incident.

I haven’t read Denise’s article, but that’s the problem. You have two bodies, dead by gunshot, and no murder weapon but they tried to call it a “murder suicide” anyway. That was the lazy investigating.
Had they kept investigating instead of calling it a day, they very well could have got to this guy before he went on the rest of his murdering spree.

I'm not going to waste any more time on the subject.

I don’t blame you. When you get down to it, I think pikesome nails it with this comment.

You can't sue the guy who did it.

[Jenson71]

I certainly hope he doesn't resign.

[memyselfI]

How do you figure that the mistake cost 31 more lives?

31 or even 1 more life that was lost because students were not properly warned is too many.

To say the lockdown wouldn't have worked and neither would have informing students of an armed gunman on the loose is to basically say there was no way to prevent all of those additional lives from being lost. The report seems to contradict that statement. It agrees Cho would have found someone else to kill. What it seems to be saying is he wouldn't have found so many someone elses.

[Radar Chief]

I'm surprised you haven't blamed it all on those evil guns yet.

Topics not over yet. ;)

[memyselfI]

I haven’t read Denise’s article, but that’s the problem. You have two bodies, dead by gunshot, and no murder weapon but they tried to call it a “murder suicide” anyway. That was the lazy investigating.
Had they kept investigating instead of calling it a day, they very well could have got to this guy before he went on the rest of his murdering spree.





Excellent point. That lazy investigating was then carried through in the nonchalant response the administration used until it was obvious the situation was past containment.