UPI/Zogby Poll: Most Americans Say Iraq War Not Lost

[Radar Chief]

Didn’t see this posted, thought I’d share.

Released: August 28, 2007

Survey finds two in three Democrats believe the war is already lost

A majority of Americans - 54% - believe the United States has not lost the war in Iraq, but there is dramatic disagreement on the question between Democrats and Republicans, a new UPI/Zogby Interactive poll shows. While two in three Democrats (66%) said the war effort has already failed, just 9% of Republicans say the same.
The poll comes ahead of a September report to Congress by David Petraeus, commander of the multi-national force in Iraq, on the progress of the so-called surge in quelling attacks by insurgents and creating an atmosphere where the new Iraqi government can develop.
This strong skepticism of success in Iraq among Democrats echoes the position of some party leaders, most strongly worded by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said in April that he believed that "this war is lost and that the surge is not accomplishing anything." This latest UPI/Zogby poll shows Americans are divided on the success of the U.S. troop surge in Iraq - while 49% believe it is not working, nearly as many (45%) said the surge has been effective. The vast majority of Democrats (86%) don't believe the surge is working, compared to just 11% of Republicans.
Asked to define a U.S. victory in Iraq, 37% of American adults overall said it would be achieved when Iraq gains control over its own internal security (a view with which 58% of Republicans, but just 17% of Democrats, agree). But nearly as many Americans (34%) said they don't believe a U.S. victory in Iraq is possible - 60% of Democrats agree there cannot be victory in Iraq, compared to just 7% of Republicans.
Overall, 13% said a U.S. victory will be achieved when a secure Iraq forms a democratic government, and 11% said the U.S. has already achieved victory in Iraq.
The online survey of 6,711 adults nationwide was conducted August 17-20, 2007 and carries a margin of error of +/- 1.2 percentage points.


More at link, including some presidential candidate type stuff.

[Mr. Kotter]

RC,

Only liberal Dems count as real Americans, man.

You just don't get it.

;)

[Cochise]

,./

[BucEyedPea]

I love how the msm and polls work hand and hand. Tell the people it's going well and then poll them! LMAO!

This all follows the good news (if it's true) of the surge and constant propaganda by Fox which is the republican demographic.

That pollster who tracks elections on Lou Dobbs says the Independents don't think it's going well not just the Dems. Way to go just paint the entire picture as partisan and not mention them. Break it down further its 36% of religious republicans that still think Bush is doing a good job and hanging tough with him.

I already think victory happened already as we accomplished what we set out to do just like Bush did. We just can't manage a civil war.



LMAO they must think we're all stupid.

[noa]

Asked to define a U.S. victory in Iraq, 37% of American adults overall said it would be achieved when Iraq gains control over its own internal security (a view with which 58% of Republicans, but just 17% of Democrats, agree).

Come on now, that's how we are defining victory? Nothing about democracy, nothing about a functional government....just so long as they aren't blowing each other up at the current rate, then we've won the war!
We just keep lowering and lowering the bar for what victory in Iraq will mean. Maybe that's why people think its possible now. At some point, the violence rates will have to drop. I guess our strategy is just to wait until then, and then declare victory and pat ourselves on the back for a war well won.

[patteeu]

Come on now, that's how we are defining victory? Nothing about democracy, nothing about a functional government....just so long as they aren't blowing each other up at the current rate, then we've won the war!
We just keep lowering and lowering the bar for what victory in Iraq will mean. Maybe that's why people think its possible now. At some point, the violence rates will have to drop. I guess our strategy is just to wait until then, and then declare victory and pat ourselves on the back for a war well won.

I don't know the exact form of the question, but it seems to me that most respondents would take an Iraqi democracy as a given since that's the present reality. If they had a choice between democracy/functional gov't plus gaining control as opposed to gaining control by itself, then you make a good point.

It would be nice if they had a link to the actual questions and results, but if it was there I couldn't find it.

[Chief Henry]

How can that poll be accurate ?

Harry Reid and Olberman already said we lost.

[StcChief]

RC,

Only liberal Dems count as real Americans, man.

You just don't get it.

;)
And if you don't believe Just ask them. :rolleyes:

[noa]

You Repubs are ridiculous if you think you are real Americans. I sleep well at night knowing that people who believe exactly what I believe are the only real Americans.

[BucEyedPea]

It's a war of words.
Whatever victory is....it will be a pyrric one.

[Ugly Duck]

Heck... we achieved our military objectives long ago, so in that sense we have already won the war. Our current status in Iraq is that of military occupier.... you don't "win" an occupation.

I guess the objective is now to continue the occupation until the various factions decide to be nice to each other. Therefore, if they are mean and unfair to each other - we have "lost" in Iraq. But if they are kind and friendly to each other - we have "won" in Iraq.

[memyselfI]

Zogby predicted it?

Ok. I'll wait to see the same result from someone who's polls didn't predict an electoral landslide FOR KERRY. :hmmm: