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Chiefnj2
08-31-2007, 09:23 AM
How does Herm continue to get players to play hard for him? Most fans and media members grow tired of Herm quickly. It's taken only 1 year, with a playoff appearance, and I'd say that 50% of the fans want him gone. Last year at times Gonzo and LJ were publicly questioning the direction of the team and/or playcalling, etc. Yesterday Gonzo is talking about how great the team is. How does Herm keep players on his side and keep them believing and buying into his average program?

King_Chief_Fan
08-31-2007, 09:30 AM
How does Herm continue to get players to play hard for him? Most fans and media members grow tired of Herm quickly. It's taken only 1 year, with a playoff appearance, and I'd say that 50% of the fans want him gone. Last year at times Gonzo and LJ were publicly questioning the direction of the team and/or playcalling, etc. Yesterday Gonzo is talking about how great the team is. How does Herm keep players on his side and keep them believing and buying into his average program?

Because he used to be a playa....he knows what it is like....he knows what the players need and a whole bunch of other bunk he says.

FringeNC
08-31-2007, 09:31 AM
Is it really in Gonzalez's best interest to state that Herm's play-not-to-lose philosophy is a joke, even if he believes that it is?

DaKCMan AP
08-31-2007, 09:34 AM
The media and 50% of said fans are stupid.

I like Herm.

crazycoffey
08-31-2007, 09:35 AM
R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to me....

Wile_E_Coyote
08-31-2007, 10:04 AM
Viagra

thehead
08-31-2007, 10:23 AM
Hypnosis :hmmm:

SNR
08-31-2007, 11:46 AM
The media and fans are where they are for a reason.

Herm got us to the playoffs last year. Shitty play or not, it WAS only preseason that we just saw, and both Carl and Tony have said, "what you have seen is NOT what you're going to get at all."

What if we make the playoffs again this year? Doom and gloomers will just bitch and moan about the playoff win drought and playing to mediocrity. If we suck this season like they want us to, they'll bitch that Herm is a shitty head coach.

Herm really can't win, can he? There's no possible way he can do well as Chiefs head coach, is there? To me, that's wrong. Give the guy a ****ing chance.

Woodrow Call
08-31-2007, 11:47 AM
The media and fans are where they are for a reason.

Herm got us to the playoffs last year. Shitty play or not, it WAS only preseason that we just saw, and both Carl and Tony have said, "what you have seen is NOT what you're going to get at all."

What if we make the playoffs again this year? Doom and gloomers will just bitch and moan about the playoff win drought and playing to mediocrity. If we suck this season like they want us to, they'll bitch that Herm is a shitty head coach.

Herm really can't win, can he? There's no possible way he can do well as Chiefs head coach, is there? To me, that's wrong. Give the guy a ****ing chance.

:clap:

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:01 PM
The media and fans are where they are for a reason.

Herm got us to the playoffs last year. Shitty play or not, it WAS only preseason that we just saw, and both Carl and Tony have said, "what you have seen is NOT what you're going to get at all."

What if we make the playoffs again this year? Doom and gloomers will just bitch and moan about the playoff win drought and playing to mediocrity. If we suck this season like they want us to, they'll bitch that Herm is a shitty head coach.

Herm really can't win, can he? There's no possible way he can do well as Chiefs head coach, is there? To me, that's wrong. Give the guy a ****ing chance.

I GAVE the guy a ****ing chance.

I was FULLY prepared to not only ACCEPT a losing season this year, but be HAPPY about it.

If we would have sucked this season, you wouldn't have heard me bitch ONE TIME.

As it is, we ARE "playing to mediocrity" as you put it. It's pathetic. You'd think 18 years of this shit would get old for the Hunts.

Amnorix
08-31-2007, 12:04 PM
I GAVE the guy a ****ing chance.

I was FULLY prepared to not only ACCEPT a losing season this year, but be HAPPY about it.

If we would have sucked this season, you wouldn't have heard me bitch ONE TIME.

As it is, we ARE "playing to mediocrity" as you put it. It's pathetic. You'd think 18 years of this shit would get old for the Hunts.

I'm totally confused.

So you want them to lose more? And blame Herm for not doing that? :spock:

(I assume I'm misreading this)

DaFace
08-31-2007, 12:09 PM
I'm totally confused.

So you want them to lose more? And blame Herm for not doing that? :spock:

(I assume I'm misreading this)

Nope. You're reading it right.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:09 PM
I'm totally confused.

So you want them to lose more? And blame Herm for not doing that? :spock:

(I assume I'm misreading this)

I wanted Herm to play the young QB, even if it meant losing more.

HemiEd
08-31-2007, 12:11 PM
The media and fans are where they are for a reason.

Herm got us to the playoffs last year. Shitty play or not, it WAS only preseason that we just saw, and both Carl and Tony have said, "what you have seen is NOT what you're going to get at all."

What if we make the playoffs again this year? Doom and gloomers will just bitch and moan about the playoff win drought and playing to mediocrity. If we suck this season like they want us to, they'll bitch that Herm is a shitty head coach.

Herm really can't win, can he? There's no possible way he can do well as Chiefs head coach, is there? To me, that's wrong. Give the guy a ****ing chance.



Herm inherited the #1 offense in the NFL, period. See "Circus Offense."

Yes, we have talked about losing Roaf, the Green injury to delerium.
I still contend Willie retired due to the disrepect shown to the offense by Herm.
Trent was damaged goods and sent to Miami. Trent did not buy into Herms dumbing down of the offense, the real reason he was sent packing.

Herm inherited a 10-6 team and got into the playoffs by winning the "Quad Superfecta" on the last game of the season.
Nice playoff appearance! WOHOOO! Herm is the saviour!
His buddy Dungy got his much needed SB trophy.

I will keep hoping, but I don't like it so far. Can you officially call this Herm's team yet?

Hopefully the "REAL CHIEFS" are better than what we saw in the playoff game and preseason.

chagrin
08-31-2007, 12:13 PM
I didn't realize they were playing hard for Herm, I thought they already mailed it in

talastan
08-31-2007, 12:14 PM
The media and fans are where they are for a reason.

Herm got us to the playoffs last year. Shitty play or not, it WAS only preseason that we just saw, and both Carl and Tony have said, "what you have seen is NOT what you're going to get at all."

What if we make the playoffs again this year? Doom and gloomers will just bitch and moan about the playoff win drought and playing to mediocrity. If we suck this season like they want us to, they'll bitch that Herm is a shitty head coach.

Herm really can't win, can he? There's no possible way he can do well as Chiefs head coach, is there? To me, that's wrong. Give the guy a ****ing chance.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

RustShack
08-31-2007, 12:16 PM
Because Herm didn't have the best career in New York, and some fans don't realize sometimes it takes more than one team for the coach to show how good he can be. The players realize hes not a bad coach at all, and after a year or two the fans should too.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:16 PM
Nope. You're reading it right.

No, he's not.

I incorrectly assumed that people would know I was alluding to the QB situation.

I wanted to see us groom a young QB. I would have been happy with the season, REGARDLESS of the win-loss record, had that happened.

So, HERM CREATED SNR's "lose-lose" scenario.

If we finish 9-7 and get beat in the playoffs, I'm gonna be pissed. They played Huard to get that EXACT result and here were are adding another year to Carl's record of mediocrity.

And if we finished 4-12, you damn bet I'm gonna be pissed. We played Huard because he "gives us the best chance to win" so he better damn-well win.

Iowanian
08-31-2007, 12:17 PM
How does Herm Do it?

I'd guess he waits until he sees a sign on his wife that says "HOT!" gotta say "HOT".....then he warms up the area, inserts and either goes with the up and down, around and around...or if he's good, a combination of both.

RustShack
08-31-2007, 12:18 PM
Since were going with Huard I'm expecting at least one playoff win, if not its basically the same results we would have got with Croyle.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:22 PM
No, he's not.

I incorrectly assumed that people would know I was alluding to the QB situation.

I wanted to see us groom a young QB. I would have been happy with the season, REGARDLESS of the win-loss record, had that happened.

So, HERM CREATED SNR's "lose-lose" scenario.

If we finish 9-7 and get beat in the playoffs, I'm gonna be pissed. They played Huard to get that EXACT result and here were are adding another year to Carl's record of mediocrity.

And if we finished 4-12, you damn bet I'm gonna be pissed. We played Huard because he "gives us the best chance to win" so he better damn-well win.
What will make you happy?

Let's say we go 12-4, and win a playoff game...

Then, we lose on a last second field goal in round 2...

Would that qualify as a good season for you? Or would you still be pissed Herm went with Damon over Brodie, even though, obviously, we had a chance to get to the Super Bowl (last second field goal loss on the road)...

Not that any of that will happen, but if it does, will you be happy with the season, or will you blame Herm and still be pissed off at the world?

I just want to see how this season can actually play out without everyone griping about something.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:23 PM
Since were going with Huard I'm expecting at least one playoff win, if not its basically the same results we would have got with Croyle.

AT LEAST one playoff win. :toast:

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:24 PM
AT LEAST one playoff win. :toast:
would that make you happy? Or is it Super Bowl or bust for you?

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:26 PM
What will make you happy?

Let's say we go 12-4, and win a playoff game...

Then, we lose on a last second field goal in round 2...

Would that qualify as a good season for you? Or would you still be pissed Herm went with Damon over Brodie, even though, obviously, we had a chance to get to the Super Bowl (last second field goal loss on the road)...

Not that any of that will happen, but if it does, will you be happy with the season, or will you blame Herm and still be pissed off at the world?

I just want to see how this season can actually play out without everyone griping about something.

What would make me happy?

Damon "winner" Huard leads us to the AFC Championship.

Anything less is a wasted season.

But the seats will be full next year and that's all the matters.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:27 PM
would that make you happy? Or is it Super Bowl or bust for you?

AFC Championship.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:29 PM
Do you HONESTLY think Damon Huard is going to lead us to a playoff WIN?

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:30 PM
That's hysterical...

Can you name another team in the NFL that would use the htismaqe approach to running an NFL franchise?

QB A can win you 11 games and possibly a playoff game, and QB B can learn on the bench but not gain any playing experience...

OR

QB B can play, make enough mistakes to turn a potential 11 game winner into a 7 game winner while the more competent QB A sits on the bench and cheers on QB B who makes enough boneheaded mistakes that an entire fan base turns on QB B to the point of franchise looking for another QB in the 2008 draft.

Seriously...

This team is a long shot to do anything in the playoffs this year with Huard. If we win 11, win a playoff game, you should be thrilled...

We're not Super Bowl bound this year, starting Croyle isn't going to make us Super Bowl bound next year, or even the year after (because he's not ready)...

So suck it up and stop being bitter about Herm making THE ONLY CHOICE he could make. Brodie forced his hand, be mad at Brodie, not Carl and Herm.

Otter
08-31-2007, 12:33 PM
would that make you happy? Or is it Super Bowl or bust for you?

I'm at a playoff win or bust.

Phobia
08-31-2007, 12:33 PM
I don't really have a problem with the way Herm is coaching this team. My only issue with him is the doublespeak coming from him. "It's gonna be ooooooooookay". I don't expect him to be entirely forthcoming on sensitive issues but based on his "Welcome to KC" speech I really expected him to be more of a straight shooter with the media and fans.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:33 PM
That's hysterical...

Can you name another team in the NFL that would use the htismaqe approach to running an NFL franchise?

Denver did exactly this, just LAST YEAR. And they've won two Super Bowls in the last decade. :hmmm:

We're not Super Bowl bound this year, starting Croyle isn't going to make us Super Bowl bound next year, or even the year after (because he's not ready)...

He'll never BE ready. Because this team and it's fans don't have the guts to go through the growing pains.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:33 PM
Do you HONESTLY think Damon Huard is going to lead us to a playoff WIN?
I don't think Damon Huard is going to lead us anywhere...

Our only chance of success this year hinges on the defense. If we truly have a good defense, I think Huard can limit his mistakes and be effective enough for us to win a playoff game, sure, maybe...

It all depends.

We won't win on the road in the playoffs, so our only chance of winning a playoff game hinges on Norv Turner totally wrecking San Diego, and I don't see that happening.

Either way, how can you fault Herm for starting Huard? Croyle has showed that he isn't even close to ready.

We can ruin Croyle and the tiny bit of confidence he might still have, or we can run damage control with Huard and suck it up and take a QB in the 1st next year.

Hate to file Croyle under the 'lost cause' tab already, but man, he's got a big arm and that's about it. I don't see any glimpse.

Sully
08-31-2007, 12:33 PM
Win 11 games?


That's a typo or a joke, right?

RustShack
08-31-2007, 12:33 PM
Croyle already sat out for a year and learned, this year he could get experiance, and if he dosn't give us a great year he gives a great draft position, better players + Croyle with experiance = better year the next season.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:35 PM
Denver did exactly this, just LAST YEAR. And they've won two Super Bowls in the last decade. :hmmm:



He'll never BE ready. Because this team and it's fans don't have the guts to go through the growing pains.
Nah, Denver started Plummer...

Plummer was awful last year, the final straw was the KC game...

Denver fans truly believed Cutler was the better QB, and I think Shanahan did, too...

I think Denver turned to Cutler based on performance.

How was Herm going to name Croyle the starter? He couldn't say it had anything to do with performance, so you don't think the veterans would've thought Croyle was handed the job?

Croyle put Herm in an impossible spot. Herm couldn't have named Croyle the starter after his abysmal showing in the preseason.

Like I said, blame Brodie, it was all there for the taking, and he blew it.

Rausch
08-31-2007, 12:37 PM
No, he's not.

I incorrectly assumed that people would know I was alluding to the QB situation.

I wanted to see us groom a young QB. I would have been happy with the season, REGARDLESS of the win-loss record, had that happened.

So, HERM CREATED SNR's "lose-lose" scenario.

If we finish 9-7 and get beat in the playoffs, I'm gonna be pissed. They played Huard to get that EXACT result and here were are adding another year to Carl's record of mediocrity.

And if we finished 4-12, you damn bet I'm gonna be pissed. We played Huard because he "gives us the best chance to win" so he better damn-well win.


So it would be ok if Croyle loses a playoff game this year but not Huard.

Gotcha'.

At this point I'd love Herm, if for no other ****ing reason, because he just pisses off Chiefsplanet. :)

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:37 PM
Win 11 games?


That's a typo or a joke, right?
I see between 9 and 11...

It's preseason, LJ has played ONE series...the defense has shown no blitzes and has stayed in base the entire preseason...and a base cover 2 isn't exactly the toughest thing to pick apart...

I mean, we won 9 last year with an equally ineffective QB (Green) playing half the season (so our QB situation isn't any worse) and we should be better on defense and we have a 1st round WR plus an upgrade at LT (if McIntosh is healthy)...

People predicting 4 wins are just dumb.

I could see 7 or 8, but I really think we have a 9-11 win team especially with our home field.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-31-2007, 12:37 PM
Hootie--

We aren't going to win a Super Bowl with Damon Huard. We aren't going to win a playoff game either. Everyone knows that. There is no upside to the Huard decision.

The only thing the Huard decision ensures is the likelihood that we'll finish 6-10 or better, and thus keep hope alive amongst the lemming-like fanbase.

The reason why Htis and guys like me are pissed is because in spite of Croyle's struggles, he has the tools to be a much better quarterback than Huard could ever think of being, but the management and coach are too afraid of taking their lumps with a growing/rebuilding season, so they take the safe bet that will get us to no better than 9-7, but no worse than 6-10.

It's tiring because we've seen this for almost 20 years. A complete lack of ingenuity and risk taking among the front office of the Chiefs.

But rather than taking the risk that Croyle will struggle and we'll be terrible this year (and finish 4-12 and get a franchise LT) Carl is more comfortable with a near playoff miss so that he can bitch about expanding the playoffs and keep the tills full.

We are football fans, not business fans, and that's why we don't mesh with Carl

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:38 PM
Either way, how can you fault Herm for starting Huard? Croyle has showed that he isn't even close to ready.

Croyle will either

1) get better with experience

2) prove once and for all that he'll never be ready

Both of those scenarios are MUCH preferable to watching Damon Huard and YET ANOTHER 8-8 team.

Brock
08-31-2007, 12:40 PM
I don't think you play Croyle at this point. I know he's supposed to be mentally tough and all that, but you also stand the chance of ruining his shit and possibly losing the team if you keep throwing him out there regardless of how bad he plays. Put him out there when the team is out of the running, IMO.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:40 PM
So it would be ok if Croyle loses a playoff game this year but not Huard.

Yep.

Croyle = SOME hope, ANY hope

Huard = NO hope

tk13
08-31-2007, 12:43 PM
The other thing is, Herm's created an atmosphere where the players have to respect him. If you don't play hard you're going to be on the bench. I think even Herm's biggest critics would admit he plays who he thinks the best 22 are, regardless if they're veterans, high draft picks, etc, it doesn't matter.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:46 PM
The other thing is, Herm's created an atmosphere where the players have to respect him. If you don't play hard you're going to be on the bench. I think even Herm's biggest critics would admit he plays who he thinks the best 22 are, regardless if they're veterans, high draft picks, etc, it doesn't matter.
and that's how it should be...

penguinz
08-31-2007, 12:47 PM
I don't think Damon Huard is going to lead us anywhere...
Then there is no ****ing reason to start him over croyle. At least if croyle starts we find out if he can be the QBotF.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:50 PM
Then there is no ****ing reason to start him over croyle. At least if croyle starts we find out if he can be the QBotF.
Croyle BLEW his chance. It's that simple.

Herm has HIS OWN JOB to protect, and you really think the players are going to respect a guy who hands the QB job to a guy who has played as abysmal as Croyle has this preseason?

Every snap for Brodie should have been like it was a playoff game for him, and he choked. It's that simple. Blame it on the supporting cast, offensive line, whatever...Brodie didn't produce, so Herm has to go with the veteran.

Don't worry though, if the Chiefs offense is as bad as everyone thinks, it'll be Croyle time around week 5 and then he'll be ruined for good and we can look to QB's next draft.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:51 PM
Then there is no ****ing reason to start him over croyle. At least if croyle starts we find out if he can be the QBotF.

There's on GOOD reason to start Huard.

An 8-8 season will keep more of the "real fans" from abandoning their season tickets...

Rausch
08-31-2007, 12:51 PM
Yep.

Croyle = SOME hope, ANY hope

Huard = NO hope


That's silly.

Trent fuggen Dilfer has a ring. ANYBODY, with the right supporting cast, can win a SB. Ben Rippedhisrubber wasn't all that superb a passer when Pitt won theirs.

If your defense is consistently good, your running game is consistently good, and your QB and HC don't make stupid mistakes (here is the no 1 reason KC has no rings recently) you can win a super bowl.

KC is likely 32-1 to win a super bowl but it's always possible. It's also more likely with a vet QB. I don't care about next year. I may be dead. I might find out I have cancer. I care about this season and trying to win it all this year.

Next year I'll worry about next year...

RustShack
08-31-2007, 12:53 PM
There is no point in us drafting another QB high up to just have him rot on the bench.

penguinz
08-31-2007, 12:53 PM
That's silly.

Trent fuggen Dilfer has a ring. ANYBODY, with the right supporting cast, can win a SB. Ben Rippedhisrubber wasn't all that superb a passer when Pitt won theirs.

If your defense is consistently good, your running game is consistently good, and your QB and HC don't make stupid mistakes (here is the no 1 reason KC has no rings recently) you can win a super bowl.

KC is likely 32-1 to win a super bowl but it's always possible. It's also more likely with a vet QB. I don't care about next year. I may be dead. I might find out I have cancer. I care about this season and trying to win it all this year.

Next year I'll worry about next year...Dilfer and Ben had a much better defense helping them out.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:54 PM
There is no point in us drafting another QB high up to just have him rot on the bench.
Croyle wasn't drafted high up...

He was a 3rd round pick.

Most 3rd round QB's are projects...

Looks like the Brodie Croyle project isn't working out too nicely thus far...

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 12:55 PM
That's silly.

Trent fuggen Dilfer has a ring. ANYBODY, with the right supporting cast, can win a SB. Ben Rippedhisrubber wasn't all that superb a passer when Pitt won theirs.

If your defense is consistently good, your running game is consistently good, and your QB and HC don't make stupid mistakes (here is the no 1 reason KC has no rings recently) you can win a super bowl.

KC is likely 32-1 to win a super bowl but it's always possible. It's also more likely with a vet QB. I don't care about next year. I may be dead. I might find out I have cancer. I care about this season and trying to win it all this year.

Next year I'll worry about next year...

Trent Dilfer has FAR better physical skills than Damon Huard. FAR BETTER. Baltimore didn't have to strip down the offense to accomodate Dilfer like we had to do with Huard.

And there is zero possibility that this year's Chiefs even MAKE the Super bowl, let alone win it. ZERO.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:55 PM
Dilfer and Ben had a much better defense helping them out.
Not necessarily true...

Our defense has a LOT of talent...

I think we have a really good defense, we'll see how good it really is when they start actually game planning for opponents in the regular season.

I think DJ is going to break out this year, as well as Pollard.

penguinz
08-31-2007, 12:56 PM
Croyle BLEW his chance. It's that simple.

Herm has HIS OWN JOB to protect, and you really think the players are going to respect a guy who hands the QB job to a guy who has played as abysmal as Croyle has this preseason?

Every snap for Brodie should have been like it was a playoff game for him, and he choked. It's that simple. Blame it on the supporting cast, offensive line, whatever...Brodie didn't produce, so Herm has to go with the veteran.

Don't worry though, if the Chiefs offense is as bad as everyone thinks, it'll be Croyle time around week 5 and then he'll be ruined for good and we can look to QB's next draft.Did Croyle make mistakes? Yes. Would Peyton Manning have had better stats behind this line during the NO game? No. No QB can be successful with 2 seconds or less to get rid of the ball on every snap.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:57 PM
Trent Dilfer has FAR better physical skills than Damon Huard. FAR BETTER. Baltimore didn't have to strip down the offense to accomodate Dilfer like we had to do with Huard.

And there is zero possibility that this year's Chiefs even MAKE the Super bowl, let alone win it. ZERO.
Cool.

So let's start Croyle so he can throw ridiculous interceptions and make ridiculous mistakes...

That'll help him grow as a QB!

OR!!!!

We can work on our OL next off-season and maybe give Croyle a chance to make it in the NFL!

I know, too much common sense.

penguinz
08-31-2007, 12:57 PM
Not necessarily true...

Our defense has a LOT of talent...

I think we have a really good defense, we'll see how good it really is when they start actually game planning for opponents in the regular season.

I think DJ is going to break out this year, as well as Pollard.So you think we have been holding back and will start tackling now that the games count? Take your ****ing homer glasses off.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:59 PM
Did Croyle make mistakes? Yes. Would Peyton Manning have had better stats behind this line during the NO game? No. No QB can be successful with 2 seconds or less to get rid of the ball on every snap.
Damon Huard was successful with this same line last season. SAME LINE. SAME LINE. SAAAAAAAAAAAAAME LINE. SAME SCHEME.

Green, was not...

Huard gets rid of the ball...

It's that simple. When you have a shitty line, you have to trust your instincts...Huard did a great job of 'when in doubting' it to Tony G or LJ...

Green couldn't do that...and Croyle just ducks and falls forward.

And I'm pretty sure Peyton Manning would've done a little better than Croyle during the NO game.

JUST A HUNCH

HemiEd
08-31-2007, 12:59 PM
Plummer was awful last year, the final straw was the KC game...


Shannahan had already made the decision to start Cutler the home game after the KC game. He did not want to expose Cutler to the KC fans his first time out. Plummer knew he was a lame duck in the KC game.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 12:59 PM
So you think we have been holding back and will start tackling now that the games count? Take your ****ing homer glasses off.
Sure, why not?

It's hard to be a starter, know you're going to play a quarter or two, and be pumped up for the game.

I think, at least hope, the intensity picks up when the real games start.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:00 PM
Shannahan had already made the decision to start Cutler the home game after the KC game. He did not want to expose Cutler to the KC fans his first time out. Plummer knew he was a lame duck in the KC game.
Personally, I don't even think Cutler is that good.

Shit, Cutler and Brodie Croyle are a lot alike, IMO.

Big arms, neither are super accurate, and neither have a lot of savvy.

Cutler does have one thing to his advantage...Mike Shanahan.

penguinz
08-31-2007, 01:01 PM
Damon Huard was successful with this same line last season. SAME LINE. SAME LINE. SAAAAAAAAAAAAAME LINE. SAME SCHEME.

Green, was not...

Huard gets rid of the ball...

It's that simple. When you have a shitty line, you have to trust your instincts...Huard did a great job of 'when in doubting' it to Tony G or LJ...

Green couldn't do that...and Croyle just ducks and falls forward.

And I'm pretty sure Peyton Manning would've done a little better than Croyle during the NO game.

JUST A HUNCHSame line? You really did not watch any games did you?

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:03 PM
Same line? You really did not watch any games did you?
Uhm, yeah...

Our line was atrocious last year, too...

Horrible (which is why it's not a good idea to cut Dunn)...

Green couldn't handle it, either...

Huard however, did just fine (other than the fumbles)...

Like I said, he 'when in doubted' it and it worked out, when you have a player like Tony Gonzalez you might as well utilize him (something I never thought Trent Green did very well, GrBac was also good at getting the ball to Tony G)...

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:03 PM
Cool.

So let's start Croyle so he can throw ridiculous interceptions and make ridiculous mistakes...

That'll help him grow as a QB!

OR!!!!

We can work on our OL next off-season and maybe give Croyle a chance to make it in the NFL!

I know, too much common sense.

How do you know that Croyle didn't make mistakes because he was pressing too hard to win the starting job? Maybe he would get more comfortable if he were allowed to get comfortable? Not to mention that he's played the ENTIRE preseason WITHOUT OUR STARTING LEFT TACKLE.

Damion McIntosh will be back very soon and that changes EVERYTHING.

Otter
08-31-2007, 01:04 PM
you have to trust your instincts...

You don't need proof when ya got instinct!

http://www.beckerfilms.com/tierneyc.jpg

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:05 PM
and I'll also cite how terrible our line was in 2005, as well...when Roaf was out, Green was totally ineffective. Remember the Bills game when we scored 3 points, even though LJ was getting about 6 yards a pop?

penguinz
08-31-2007, 01:06 PM
Cool.

So let's start Croyle so he can throw ridiculous interceptions and make ridiculous mistakes...

That'll help him grow as a QB!

OR!!!!

We can work on our OL next off-season and maybe give Croyle a chance to make it in the NFL!

I know, too much common sense.
All the INT's in the first season of starting really seemed to have hurt the careers of John Elway and Peyton Manning. I can see why we should hold back on Croyle and not let him make the same mistakes.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:06 PM
How do you know that Croyle didn't make mistakes because he was pressing too hard to win the starting job? Maybe he would get more comfortable if he were allowed to get comfortable? Not to mention that he's played the ENTIRE preseason WITHOUT OUR STARTING LEFT TACKLE.

Damion McIntosh will be back very soon and that changes EVERYTHING.
how would he ever have the chance of getting comfortable when 80,000 fans at Arrowhead would be booing him after every stalled drive and calling for Huard?

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:06 PM
Huard however, did just fine (other than the fumbles)...


ROFL

I'm feeling great (other than missing an arm)...

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/grail/large/HolyGrail017.jpg

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:07 PM
how would he ever have the chance of getting comfortable when 80,000 fans at Arrowhead would be booing him after every stalled drive and calling for Huard?

Good point.

Chiefs fans deserve Carl Peterson.

CupidStunt
08-31-2007, 01:08 PM
I take it you haven't watched Hard Knocks?

It's pretty easy to see why if you've followed.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:08 PM
All the INT's in the first season of starting really seemed to have hurt the careers of John Elway and Peyton Manning. I can see why we should hold back on Croyle and not let him make the same mistakes.
See, this shit is ****ing stupid.

For every young QB that overcame early adversity there are about 100 that did not.

If you like those percentages, then yeah, start Croyle!

IMO, a good QB consists of three things:

1. Skill
2. Scheme
3. Savvy

(those aren't in any particular order...)

You think Tom Brady is more talented than Brodie Croyle, or Ryan Leaf, or Joey Harrington, or David Carr?! No, I don't think he is...

But he walks around like he has a 10" dick, plays in a phenomenal system, and that allows him to be a badass QB. Same with Peyton Manning (even though he is the system)...

Croyle doesn't have the savvy to be an NFL QB right now. At least you can see it a little with Huard.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:10 PM
ROFL

I'm feeling great (other than missing an arm)...

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/grail/large/HolyGrail017.jpg
His arm is no worse than Trent Green's, and Trent had a pretty nice run in KC (even though I think he was very overrated)...

penguinz
08-31-2007, 01:10 PM
How do you know that Croyle didn't make mistakes because he was pressing too hard to win the starting job? Maybe he would get more comfortable if he were allowed to get comfortable? Not to mention that he's played the ENTIRE preseason WITHOUT OUR STARTING LEFT TACKLE.

Damion McIntosh will be back very soon and that changes EVERYTHING.
Don't forget the rotating at right tackle to figure out who is going to be the starter there.

Dave Lane
08-31-2007, 01:11 PM
How does Herm continue to get players to play hard for him? Most fans and media members grow tired of Herm quickly. It's taken only 1 year, with a playoff appearance, and I'd say that 50% of the fans want him gone. Last year at times Gonzo and LJ were publicly questioning the direction of the team and/or playcalling, etc. Yesterday Gonzo is talking about how great the team is. How does Herm keep players on his side and keep them believing and buying into his average program?

Easy big paychecks. For $5 mill or so I'll love him too...

Dave

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:11 PM
Don't forget the rotating at right tackle to figure out who is going to be the starter there.
Good.

Let's build in these excuses now about the offensive line, so when Huard starts and actually plays well we can all say, "well he has the starting offensive line out there!"

dreaminboutsunday
08-31-2007, 01:11 PM
I don't understand why people are so angered about finding out if croyle is the QBoTF or not. Whether he is or not isn't known yet, i understand that. But the whole reason of playing football is to WIN, not to find out if the qb is good or not. To do that we need a veteran guy to run our offense. Croyle will continue to get reps in practice and will continue to mature. Hell, BRADY QUINN prolly isn't even going to start for his team and we all know he has a hell of a lot more talent NOW, in his first year, than Croyle has in his second year. I think it is best for Croyle to get as much practice as he can cuz we all have seen what he can, or should i say, can't do, YET. Emphasis on the yet because, soon, he will be able to run this offense. But that time isn't now and if we put him in now it is only going to destroy his confidence even more than it already has. Herm Edwards is a legit guy and a great coach. We made it to the playoffs last year, even tho some people say we backed into it, doesn't matter we still made it. And I believe if anybody could get this team to the playoffs this year it WILL be Herm Edwards. With his philosophy and wit that he is preaching to these young guys, by week 3 when the chiefs make their season debut at home, the chiefs will be an entirely different team from their preseason form.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:11 PM
His arm is no worse than Trent Green's, and Trent had a pretty nice run in KC (even though I think he was very overrated)...

It went right over your head. You've obviously never seen the movie.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:12 PM
It went right over your head. You've obviously never seen the movie.
I didn't click the link.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:12 PM
At least you can see it a little with Huard.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

penguinz
08-31-2007, 01:13 PM
For every young QB that overcame early adversity there are about 100 that did not.
If the QB can not overcome that then they do not need to be starting. We will never know it without Croyle starting. You have admitted yourself that the likelihood of the Chiefs going anywhere this season with Huard at the helm is low. That makes this a perfect year to find out if our your QB can handle it. If not we draft a new QB next year.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:13 PM
Good.

Let's build in these excuses now about the offensive line, so when Huard starts and actually plays well we can all say, "well he has the starting offensive line out there!"

Don't worry about it.

I'm sure Huard will play good enough to get us into the playoffs and get beat again.

And next year, he'll do the same...

And the year after, and the year after, and the year after...

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:14 PM
But the whole reason of playing football is to WIN

Win what?

Zouk
08-31-2007, 01:17 PM
Croyle will either

1) get better with experience

2) prove once and for all that he'll never be ready

Both of those scenarios are MUCH preferable to watching Damon Huard and YET ANOTHER 8-8 team.


But Peyton Manning was terrible his first year and that didn't prove that he never would be ready.

I think overall coaches believe now it's better for QBs to learn on the bench rather than in the game.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:18 PM
ROFL ROFL ROFL
Oh.

You can't see any veteran savvy from Huard?

Whatever. You're so biased it doesn't even matter.

Huard could make a Pro Bowl this year and you'd still point out a bad throw or a fumble he made...

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:18 PM
Don't worry about it.

I'm sure Huard will play good enough to get us into the playoffs and get beat again.

And next year, he'll do the same...

And the year after, and the year after, and the year after...
I hear the Patriots are accepting applications for new fans? Maybe you should hop on their bandwagon?

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:19 PM
But Peyton Manning was terrible his first year and that didn't prove that he never would be ready.

I think overall coaches believe now it's better for QBs to learn on the bench rather than in the game.

For our coaches, it's better for him to learn on the bench, even though he ALREADY DID THAT last year, becaue that's one more year they can eek out a playoff appearance and make sure the seats are full...

They'll do it again next year, too.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:19 PM
Oh.

You can't see any veteran savvy from Huard?

Whatever. You're so biased it doesn't even matter.

Huard could make a Pro Bowl this year and you'd still point out a bad throw or a fumble he made...

No, actually I wouldn't. I'd eat crow.

But since there's zero chance of Huard making the Pro Bowl, I'm not real worried about it.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:20 PM
I hear the Patriots are accepting applications for new fans? Maybe you should hop on their bandwagon?

Carl Peterson would be proud.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:20 PM
For our coaches, it's better for him to learn on the bench, even though he ALREADY DID THAT last year, becaue that's one more year they can eek out a playoff appearance and make sure the seats are full...

They'll do it again next year, too.
Sitting on the bench for two years really hurt Phillip Rivers...

Skip Towne
08-31-2007, 01:21 PM
Don't be too hard on Hootie. Most of us thought we knew everything when we were 22.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:21 PM
No, actually I wouldn't. I'd eat crow.

But since there's zero chance of Huard making the Pro Bowl, I'm not real worried about it.
I don't think he'll make the Pro Bowl, either...

But I don't put much weight into your "zero chance" bullshit...

According to you, their was zero chance Huard would resign and zero chance he would be week 1 starter.

Apparently your definition of zero chance is different than mine.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:22 PM
Don't be too hard on Hootie. Most of us thought we knew everything when we were 22.
Here comes Skip...

The man that never has anything to add!

penguinz
08-31-2007, 01:24 PM
Sitting on the bench for two years really hurt Phillip Rivers...
You can not compare sitting on the bench behind Huard with sitting on the bench behind Brees.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:24 PM
Sitting on the bench for two years really hurt Phillip Rivers...

1) Phillip Rivers was sitting behind Drew Brees. The same Drew Brees that lead the 3-13 New Orlean Saints to the NFC Championship in only one year. Let's not sit here and pretend that 34-year old career backup is ANYTHING like Drew Brees.

2) Rivers single-handedly lost that game at Arrowhead and made several "rookie" mistakes in the playoffs.

Your argument holds absolutely no water.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:27 PM
I don't think he'll make the Pro Bowl, either...

But I don't put much weight into your "zero chance" bullshit...

According to you, their was zero chance Huard would resign and zero chance he would be week 1 starter.

Apparently your definition of zero chance is different than mine.

ZERO CHANCE HE MAKES THE PRO BOWL. ZERO. NONE.

Yes, I did say Huard wouldn't re-sign. I thought for sure he'd look for a starting job elsewhere. Little did I know that he had the same kind of "play it safe" attitude that his head coach has.

And I NEVER said there was zero chance he would be the week 1 starter. There's a BIG difference between the word "WOULD" and the word "SHOULD". But that's ok, it's not like you've got a history for paying attention...

Skip Towne
08-31-2007, 01:29 PM
Here comes Skip...

The man that never has anything to add!
I just added something. You erroneously think you know everything. You can't see past the end of your nose. HOOTIE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:30 PM
ZERO CHANCE HE MAKES THE PRO BOWL. ZERO. NONE.

Yes, I did say Huard wouldn't re-sign. I thought for sure he'd look for a starting job elsewhere. Little did I know that he had the same kind of "play it safe" attitude that his head coach has.

And I NEVER said there was zero chance he would be the week 1 starter. There's a BIG difference between the word "WOULD" and the word "SHOULD". But that's ok, it's not like you've got a history for paying attention...
Oh yeah, I forgot you give yourself outs in every post so you can never be wrong.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:30 PM
I just added something. You erroneously think you know everything. You can't see past the end of your nose. HOOTIE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!
I've got a pretty good track record on this site, that's for sure.

Rausch
08-31-2007, 01:30 PM
But since there's zero chance of Huard making the Pro Bowl, I'm not real worried about it.

Girlbac made a probowl. It's not impossible or even improbable for Huard to make it.

He was a top 5 rated passer last year when he played.

Have you lost all objectivity?... :shake:

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:31 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot you give yourself outs in every post so you can never be wrong.

ROFL

I've owned up to being wrong MANY, MANY times.

Go ahead. Why don't you tell everybody how I emailed you within MINUTES of Huard being named starter, offering up my signature because I lost our bet?

Go ahead, tell them.

tk13
08-31-2007, 01:33 PM
I also think the sitting behind Brees and sitting behind Huard thing doesn't really matter. I don't think the starter factored in Herm's decision... I really think he was trying to protect Croyle more than saying "Huard's a great Brees-like QB".

Obviously from Carl's perspective it probably did make him happy, but for Herm, I think it was pretty obvious he wants Croyle to take the QB job.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:33 PM
Girlbac made a probowl. It's not impossible or even improbable for Huard to make it.

He was a top 5 rated passer last year when he played.

Have you lost all objectivity?... :shake:

1) His QBR was based on a lack of INT's. It doesn't take into account fumbles. He only threw 11 TD's. It's called "play not to lose". Safe football got him his QBR.

2) There's not a chance in hell he duplicates what he did last year.

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:36 PM
ROFL

I've owned up to being wrong MANY, MANY times.

Go ahead. Why don't you tell everybody how I emailed you within MINUTES of Huard being named starter, offering up my signature because I lost our bet?

Go ahead, tell them.
You did.

I don't have anything against you. I just think you have a ****ed up perspective on the Chiefs QB situation.

penguinz
08-31-2007, 01:37 PM
You did.

I don't have anything against you. I just think you have a ****ed up perspective on the Chiefs QB situation.
No more than you do. ;)

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:38 PM
I also think the sitting behind Brees and sitting behind Huard thing doesn't really matter. I don't think the starter factored in Herm's decision... I really think he was trying to protect Croyle more than saying "Huard's a great Brees-like QB".

Obviously from Carl's perspective it probably did make him happy, but for Herm, I think it was pretty obvious he wants Croyle to take the QB job.
I agree.

Herm WANTED NOTHING MORE than to see Croyle TAKE the job.

But Brodie forced his hand. He couldn't name Brodie the QB and maintain the veteran players respect.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:38 PM
You did.

I don't have anything against you. I just think you have a ****ed up perspective on the Chiefs QB situation.

Two decades of mediocrity will do that to a person.

Especially when it's apparent that the ownership, front office, and a large group of the fans are HAPPY with said mediocrity...

Short Leash Hootie
08-31-2007, 01:40 PM
Two decades of mediocrity will do that to a person.

Especially when it's apparent that the ownership, front office, and a large group of the fans are HAPPY with said mediocrity...
You might think we're happy with mediocrity, but speaking for myself, I'm not happy about it at all.

I would LOVE to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl.

Football is a sacred thing for me. I love it. I LIVE FOR THE NFL...it sounds sick, but it's the best time of the year for me...

It would truly pain me to see Croyle start and cause the Chiefs to have a horrendous season.

There is no reason for it...

It's not going to hurt Brodie any more to sit on the bench...he's obviously not ready.

Zouk
08-31-2007, 01:41 PM
For our coaches, it's better for him to learn on the bench, even though he ALREADY DID THAT last year, becaue that's one more year they can eek out a playoff appearance and make sure the seats are full...

They'll do it again next year, too.

I guess the real question is what is the benefit of Croyle playing this year?

You said we would either find out if he's a player or not. I'm not so sure. He may stink as an NFL sophomore but still have hope of improving. Or he may be better off in the long run by not getting beat up and booed before he's ready.

I just don't see it as being such a cut and dried conspiracy for medicority that you're envisioning.

My personal opinion is that he has to be accountable for the interceptions and holding the ball too long in the preseason by learning that he can't do that and start. He'll start when he convinces the coaches he won't do it anymore (probably as he watches more film, takes more practice reps, and becomes more acclimated to the speed of the game).

Calcountry
08-31-2007, 01:41 PM
I GAVE the guy a ****ing chance.

I was FULLY prepared to not only ACCEPT a losing season this year, but be HAPPY about it.

If we would have sucked this season, you wouldn't have heard me bitch ONE TIME.

As it is, we ARE "playing to mediocrity" as you put it. It's pathetic. You'd think 18 years of this shit would get old for the Hunts.I really don't think the Hunts give a shit.

Skip Towne
08-31-2007, 01:44 PM
I really don't think the Hunts give a shit.
Sure they do. Just not the same things we give a shit about.

Calcountry
08-31-2007, 01:47 PM
Sure they do. Just not the same things we give a shit about.I knew I should have ended that with(...give a shit, about winning a Super Bowl that is.)

Oh well, expediency sucks sometimes.

It is about 95% that I will be rolling through Ok. sometime between 10/5 and 10/12.

Not that you would give a shit about that or anything, but it might be amusing to get to meet you, you crusty old fart.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 01:53 PM
You might think we're happy with mediocrity, but speaking for myself, I'm not happy about it at all.

I would LOVE to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl.

Football is a sacred thing for me. I love it. I LIVE FOR THE NFL...it sounds sick, but it's the best time of the year for me...

It would truly pain me to see Croyle start and cause the Chiefs to have a horrendous season.

There is no reason for it...

It's not going to hurt Brodie any more to sit on the bench...he's obviously not ready.

We're going to have a horrendous season anyway. Croyle at least provides an UNKNOWN, if not HOPE.

Skip Towne
08-31-2007, 01:57 PM
I knew I should have ended that with(...give a shit, about winning a Super Bowl that is.)

Oh well, expediency sucks sometimes.

It is about 95% that I will be rolling through Ok. sometime between 10/5 and 10/12.

Not that you would give a shit about that or anything, but it might be amusing to get to meet you, you crusty old fart.
That would be fun. PM me when you think it will be. Where are you headed?

FAX
08-31-2007, 02:01 PM
I agree.

Herm WANTED NOTHING MORE than to see Croyle TAKE the job.

But Brodie forced his hand. He couldn't name Brodie the QB and maintain the veteran players respect.

Whoa!!! Simmah!!!

You are a poster of mystery, Mr. Hootie. For that reason, I hesitate to confront you. But, are you arguing that Brodie was supposed to block the Saints' d-line, pass the ball, catch the ball, and run the ball, too? And, since he couldn't do all those things, he forced Herm's hand?

Herm called Downfield's number because our offense is a giant pile of steaming crap right now. I really don't blame him, though. Downfield has more experience which Herm figures will be an asset to an offense that can't block jack cheese or catch the flu.

FAX

Rausch
08-31-2007, 02:05 PM
1) His QBR was based on a lack of INT's. It doesn't take into account fumbles. He only threw 11 TD's. It's called "play not to lose". Safe football got him his QBR..

He only threw 11 TD's because he only played in 8 games.

11 TD's in 8 games is pretty damned good. Compared to 1 int.?

2) There's not a chance in hell he duplicates what he did last year.

When did you develop this "failure is assured, success is impossible" across the board attitude?

He can't duplicate an estimated 22 TD year?

Trent Green was a career backup before he got to KC as well. So Was Gannon. And I don't expect Huard to play as good as either of them in their prime but there's no reason to think he sucks after last year...

Ari Chi3fs
08-31-2007, 02:08 PM
Not to be a whiny bitch, but how is DoucheKCMAN AP's signature, not overly large and overly annoying, thus outside, CP's signature allowance?

That being said, **** the Florida GAYters.

Rausch
08-31-2007, 02:08 PM
Two decades of mediocrity will do that to a person.

Especially when it's apparent that the ownership, front office, and a large group of the fans are HAPPY with said mediocrity...

Perhaps every now and again a fellow just enjoys poking you with a stick when you get all frumpy and bothered. :)

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 02:23 PM
He only threw 11 TD's because he only played in 8 games.

11 TD's in 8 games is pretty damned good. Compared to 1 int.?

He played in 10 games. He started 8 games.

When did you develop this "failure is assured, success is impossible" across the board attitude?

About the time that I realized that this head coach is no different than the last one, or the one before him, or the one before him...

He can't duplicate an estimated 22 TD year?

Again, 10 games, not 8. That's an estimated 17.6 TD year, which he absolutely can do. What he won't do is throw that few INT's again.

Trent Green was a career backup before he got to KC as well. So Was Gannon. And I don't expect Huard to play as good as either of them in their prime but there's no reason to think he sucks after last year...

No, Trent Green was a starter in St. Louis, he just never played a game because of Rodney Harrison. The Rams RECRUITED him to be their starter. Huard's been in the league for 10 years and nobody has recruited him to be a starter. Hell, this job just fell into his lap. Even he has to be surprised, considering he could have gotten about double the contract he's currently working under.

Otter
08-31-2007, 02:25 PM
Perhaps every now and again a fellow just enjoys poking you with a stick when you get all frumpy and bothered. :)

Is Hits wearing bell bottoms and a plaid shirt with his hair feathered and parted down the middle going around saying things are "groovy"?

ChiefaRoo
08-31-2007, 02:25 PM
That would be fun. PM me when you think it will be. Where are you headed?

I'm coming to Skip. I want to meet you and your goat.

Rausch
08-31-2007, 02:27 PM
No, Trent Green was a starter in St. Louis, he just never played a game because of Rodney Harrison. The Rams RECRUITED him to be their starter. Huard's been in the league for 10 years and nobody has recruited him to be a starter. Hell, this job just fell into his lap. Even he has to be surprised, considering he could have gotten about double the contract he's currently working under.

Green was never a starter in St. Louis. He was intended to be but intentions don't mean squat.

Who cares? If he plays well and allows us to bring Croyle along slowly I'm all smiles.

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 02:27 PM
Is Hits wearing bell bottoms and a plaid shirt with his hair feathered and parted down the middle going around saying things are "groovy"?

The funny thing is, if it weren't for this corporate job and the "have to feed my family" thing, you just described how I view myself...

:D

htismaqe
08-31-2007, 02:29 PM
Green was never a starter in St. Louis. He was intended to be but intentions don't mean squat.

Who cares? If he plays well and allows us to bring Croyle along slowly I'm all smiles.

Intentions DO mean something. SOMEBODY in St. Louis felt Trent Green could be a starter and that's why they brought him there.

NOBODY felt Damon Huard could be a starter, which is why he's been in the league 10 years and has never gotten his "shot". It's also why he signed a paltry $7.5M deal without even testing free agency.

Calcountry
08-31-2007, 02:54 PM
I'm coming to Skip. I want to meet you and your goat.What's wrong with goats? I just had 2 of mine buthcered for a freezer full of meat. The other four have pruned my trees nicely.

HemiEd
08-31-2007, 02:58 PM
What's wrong with goats? I just had 2 of mine buthcered for a freezer full of meat. The other four have pruned my trees nicely.

Do you eat the goat? Or is that for the animals?

Calcountry
08-31-2007, 03:09 PM
Do you eat the goat? Or is that for the animals?Of course I eat it? wtf, would you throw away quality beef or pork?

HemiEd
08-31-2007, 03:11 PM
Of course I eat it? wtf, would you throw away quality beef or pork?

It was a serious question, I had no idea anyone ate goats. I won't judge it, because I have never tried it.

I know they feed goats to grayhounds though.

FAX
08-31-2007, 03:12 PM
Let's see ... I've had snake, turtle, alligator, buffalo, squirrel, rabbit, and a devastatingly horrid Iranian stuffed tomato but, to my knowledge, I've never tasted goat.

Is it good, Mr. bunnytrdr?

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
08-31-2007, 03:59 PM
You might think we're happy with mediocrity, but speaking for myself, I'm not happy about it at all.

I would LOVE to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl.

Football is a sacred thing for me. I love it. I LIVE FOR THE NFL...it sounds sick, but it's the best time of the year for me...

It would truly pain me to see Croyle start and cause the Chiefs to have a horrendous season.

There is no reason for it...

It's not going to hurt Brodie any more to sit on the bench...he's obviously not ready.


So now you have a year to be prepared to be "pained" next year.

Because all we're doing is delaying the inevitable.

Crashride
08-31-2007, 04:49 PM
werent the majority of Huards fumbles from hits from behind...i mean jordan black WAS our left tackle

Calcountry
08-31-2007, 05:22 PM
It was a serious question, I had no idea anyone ate goats. I won't judge it, because I have never tried it.

I know they feed goats to grayhounds though.lmao, what on earth made you think that moi would feed greyhounds goat meat. lol.

I do share some of the fat portions with my Queensland bitch though.

Calcountry
08-31-2007, 05:24 PM
Let's see ... I've had snake, turtle, alligator, buffalo, squirrel, rabbit, and a devastatingly horrid Iranian stuffed tomato but, to my knowledge, I've never tasted goat.

Is it good, Mr. bunnytrdr?

FAXYes, it sure is. Whenever eating an exotic, or new flavor, I recommend taking a good appetite to the meal. That seems to overcome any aversion to the newness of the flavor and allows for the carnivore that exists within most of us, to come out and savor the flavor, heheheheh.