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CrazyHorse
05-17-2001, 04:50 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/latest/mainnews.asp?storyID=2203&cat=96

How many think that he may take Cats job? Or will they put him in the slot?

In any event, I am hearing more positive feedback on him than any other player.

Dan

HC_Chief
05-17-2001, 04:52 PM
He's a player - no doubt about it. He has speed, runs precise routes and has great hands. Like I said a while back: this guy was an absolute STEAL. :)

Alphaman
05-17-2001, 05:01 PM
I don't think he has the size to be anything but a slot receiver. I do expect him to be very productive in that role however. :cool:

keg in kc
05-17-2001, 05:03 PM
He'll be in the slot, I'd imagine. It looks like that was what he was drafted for, but who knows, maybe he could jump to #2. He was impressive at the public mini-camp a few weeks ago. Right now, though, I think it's a safe bet to lock him into the #3 WR spot early in the season (bad news for Horne...).

I like that we have these nearly-daily "conversations" with Dick Vermeil. I wonder if it's his doing or if it's a PR-department thing...

Alphaman, I wouldn't bet against him because of his size. He's 6'1, and I'd wager he won't stay at 170 pounds forever. They'll probably work to add at least 10-15 pounds to his frame so he won't be as easy to jam at the line.

HC_Chief
05-17-2001, 05:17 PM
Here we go with the f(*%ing SIZE issue again. WTF?

<table width=100% border=0 cellpadding=1><tr><td><b>WR</td><td><b>Height</td><td><b>Weight</td></tr><tr><td>'Snoop' Minnis</td><td>6-1</td><td>171</td></tr><tr><td>Az-Zahir Hakim</td><td>5-10</td><td>178</td></tr><tr><td>Isaac Bruce</td><td>6-0</td><td>188</td></tr><tr><td>Marvin Harrison</td><td>6-0</td><td>181</td></tr><tr><td>Wayne Chrebet</td><td>5-10</td><td>188</td></tr><tr><td>Joey Galloway</td><td>5-11</td><td>188</td></tr></table>

You telling me thjese others are 'too small' too? (Or did we just forget to tell them?)

No offense Alphaman - just getting sick of hearing FANS say 'oh he's too small to do this or that'. Pigeon-holing players due to size - what their height/weight/40 time is/etc. is EXACTLY why our team hasn't won a SB in 30 years. Our dumbass coaching staffs believed all the paper bullsh*t - rather than paying attention to how the players actually <i>perform</i>!

Otter
05-17-2001, 05:24 PM
I think the only credible "size" issue has do with his size as in "bulk". He's 10 pounds lighter than his closest doppleganger Marvin Harrison.

Can he take the beatings?

Besides that, I agree in saying the size issue is pretty weak.

HC_Chief
05-17-2001, 05:50 PM
Heh - sorry, bit of a rant there. Like I said, getting tired of the "he's too small to do ____" argument. Size deficiencies - be it height or weight - can be overcome. Especially if the player has good speed and instincts. Minnis is tall and thin - but fast and has excellent technique. He was awesome at FSU - and looked awesome at the mini-camp. I am really impressed by this draft choice - I think he has the potential to become our #1 receiver!

BIG_DADDY
05-17-2001, 05:59 PM
That's exciting. This offense is built for speed and this kid certainly has that. We haven't had too many fasssst receivers. I think Horn was the last one. I am really getting amped to see what this O can do. You guys are really lucky to be able to check out the practices.

BIG DADDY

Will just have to jones until pre-season. Feels like an eternity away still.

NaptownChief
05-17-2001, 06:42 PM
I have said on a couple occassions that I think Minnis will have Cat's job by mid-season if not earlier...I base that on two factors. First I think Minnis has the skills, but as much of a factor is Cat's lack of polish....

As for the size issue...I don't buy into that either. Guys of all sizes get hurt on a regular basis, the media just loved to point it out more often when the guy is small...

Some of the shortest football lifespans have typically been the "big" guys...ie Barry Foster, Christian Okoye, Ickie Woods, John Settle, Natrone Means....The only big back in recent memory to last more than 5 years has been Bettis and he has spent as much time in the trainers room as anyone...

Alphaman
05-17-2001, 10:11 PM
HC_Chief,

You made my point for me. Minnis is giving up close to 20 pounds to most of those guys. The guy he isn't (Az-Hakim) plays the slot.

Don't get me wrong, Minnis will be very productive for us. But I don't think he'll be able to handle the jams of the physical corners. That's why he'll thrive in the slot where he won't get jammed.

Why is everyone so down on Morris? Yes he tailed at the end of last season, but he did show talent. He also missed most of camp and played through an injury. He definitely needs to produce this season. He needs to gain some polish. This is where Joiner and Saunders earn their paychecks. :cool:

ChiTown
05-18-2001, 07:54 AM
SlyMo had too much placed at his feet after his 3 TD performance against SD. He looked like he was trying to hurry his routes and run without the ball many of the times. The one thing that bothered me more so than the aforementioned was the fumbled balls. There weren't many, but enough to recognize that he has got to put it away in the open field.

If Sly get's good coaching (and I think the addition of Saunders will do worderful things for our receivers), I think he can have a great season as the #2 receiver. I suspect that he will get pushed significantly early on by Minnis. Should be fun to watch.

Chi

BowtieGuy
05-18-2001, 08:10 AM
Because of Vermeil's statement the other day that Sly does not have that fast twitch response and needs to develop it, and because of the following Vermeil quote, I think Vermeil expects Minnis to start at the beggining of the season.

quote:
"He has the ability to separate. He can play the game fast. I think that's very important to be able to do and we drafted him knowing he had that ability rather than trying to develop that ability in somebody that's already here. That doesn't mean they don't have it but we've got to develop it."

Also, this quote from Charlie Joiner is very telling:

"He has confidence in himself, and that's going to give him a chance to make it," wide-receivers coach Charlie Joiner said. "His transition won't be as difficult as it is for some, because Florida State uses most of the terminology we use. He should be able to handle it because his school has prepared him well for this."

So, what do you think? Will Minnis be starting along side Alexander while Sly catches up?

This is going to be a great preseason!!

:)

NaptownChief
05-18-2001, 08:35 AM
BowTie,

That is exactly my thoughts...Reading Dick ForMeal's comment sure screamed out to me that the Cat will be sliding down the depth chart pretty quickly...

Cat is a good athlete but his routes and instincts were very disappointing. You compare Cat, that we took in the 2nd half of the 1st round last year to Reggie Wayne(Colts 1st rounder) and in terms of instincts, hands and polish it is like comparing a Pop Warner WR to Cris Carter....

Sly's situation looks like a mirror image to M.Ricks situation in SD...They are very similar except Ricks is taller and has a couple years more experience...Wouldn't be surprised to see him move around Morris either...

htismaqe
05-18-2001, 10:14 AM
I don't see anyone sliding ahead of Morris. You guys are reading way too much into Vermeil's comments. Morris needs to improve, and he will.

Minnis is ideally suited to the slot, in fact he will excel there. There's no way Ricks is moving up over anybody. He might not even survive June 1.

NaptownChief
05-18-2001, 11:33 AM
htismaqe,

We will see soon enough....Just remember, the Bolts fans were saying all the things about Ricks after his first season that you are saying about Morris...

I am definitely not saying you are wrong, cause I like everyone else am only guessing what might come of Sly but the reality is it would not be a stretch to see a 1st round receiver fall out of favor and slide down the depth chart...Just ask one of the Donkey fans about Marcus Nash....
:D

KCinGA
05-18-2001, 01:09 PM
I'm hoping Minnis starts... he's on my fantasy team!!! :D

Honestly, it's too early to tell. But, the early indications are that Minnis is picking up the nuances of the new offense more quickly than Morris. And, really, to me, Minnis is better-suited for this offense. He runs the more precise patterns and is showing more quickness in his route-running.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Morris drop to #3. He showed a lot of difficulty last year in running routes. It didn't seem like him and Grbac were on the same page very often. A lot of times you could tell that the ball was thrown to a spot... but Morris wasn't anywhere in the picture. He'd run the wrong pattern or he'd begin the pattern too early/too late.

Morris excells most at going up to get the ball. He'll get better, though. But, how much time does he really have with Minnis pounding on the door? Vermeil won't hesitate to start the rookie ahead of the 2nd-year player. He's already stated that in regards to our rookie kicker earning the starting job over Peterson.

Pitt Gorilla
05-18-2001, 01:59 PM
Whatever is meant by first and second receiver, I'm not sure, especially in the new offense. That being said, Minnis will probably start in the slot because of his size. Yes, I know that size isn't the only determining factor. However, Slymo is 6'3" with some bulk and Minnis is not. Slymo will be better suited to getting off jams; Minnis will be better at beating his man to the spot. If we run ALL of the formations that the Rams have employed, it may be a moot point. The Rams commonly employed 4 and 5 receiver sets. Take away one for TG, and that becomes 3 and 4 receiver sets. Both guys WILL play quite a bit, regardless of who starts. The interesting battles will come down to the fringe players. Will JJ Moses, dos Hall, Ricks, or the other Larry make the team at WR? Will Blaylock or Cloud make the team at RB? Should be fun.....

ChiefGator
05-18-2001, 02:29 PM
Here's all the WR's currently on the Chief's Roster:

#5 - Dave Klemic
#9 - JJ Moses (KR/PR)
#11W - Geroy Simon
#12 - Joe Perez
#13 - Marvin Minnis
#17 - Ricky Hall
#20 - Dante Hall
#80 - Larry Parker
#81 - Tony Horne (WR/PR)
#82 - Derrick
#84 - SlyMo
#85 - Ricks
#87 - Chris Thomas

That's alot of competition at that position. Wonder how many we will keep on our roster/practice squad.

Dante Hall is lighting up NFLE, but I have real doubts about him. Ricky Hall is also, don't know much about him.

Mark

HC_Chief
05-18-2001, 02:36 PM
Dante Hall really looks good at the WR position. Cris Carter sees a lot of potential in him - that's saying quite a bit!

Ricky Hall looked great last weekend - reminded me of Derrick Alexander: gained big yards after the catch.

Klemic and Simon impressed a few people at mini-camp... I was impressed by Moses' speed.(he IS tiny tho')

Horne is Vanover - but smaller. Great return guy, mediocre receiver.

Parker and Ricks have been disappointments.

This will be the most hotly contested position at River Falls! I can't wait 'till TC. :)

CrazyHorse
05-18-2001, 10:34 PM
I am not sure that I agree with some of you. Though it is fundamental, it is not critical to be a great route runner to be successful in the NFL. I have always been under the impression that D.Alexander is not the best route runner. Rison was a much better route runner than Alexander is. however, Alexander is the better receiver. So I would not give up on Cat yet. I was excited about him last season, and am looking forward to improvement this season.

Dan

NaptownChief
05-19-2001, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Dan Edwards
I am not sure that I agree with some of you. Though it is fundamental, it is not critical to be a great route runner to be successful in the NFL.


You don't have to be a great route runner to stick in the NFL. But you have to eventually develop into a good route runner before the team can no longer write your inability off on inexperience...Every reciever that survives past their rookie contract develops into a decent route runner, obviously some much better than others. The faster you are the more you can overcome being less precise in your routes...The guys without worldclass speed can't overcome poor routes. That is why guys like Chris Carter run near perfect routes all the time...

CrazyHorse
05-19-2001, 12:22 PM
JL80

I agree that you have to be a good route runner. My point is that there are many body types in the NFL. A taller reciever 6'5 will generally not be as crisp a runner as someone 6'. However, that 6'5 reciever may be more productive.

All receivers must be good route runners, but not great ones.

Dan

NaptownChief
05-19-2001, 04:27 PM
Dan,

His size can help his cause but ultimately he will have to develop substantially to hang around...Ricks is even taller than Sly with similar tools but he didn't work on the simple things and SD decided they didn't need to waste a roster spot on a WR that is only effective at going for jump balls...

IMO, when it came to the finer details of playing receiver i.e. reading the D, running timing routes, catching with your hands not your body etc. etc.. Sly had the polish of a '77 rusty Pinto...

KCPHILLY
05-19-2001, 05:56 PM
JL, I think you're making too much out of how he closed out the season last year. We all knew he was a raw product when he came in last year. He finished the season playing injured and you also have to take into account the "rookie wall".

Obviously he has a new playbook to learn and MINNIS has a definate advantage because he is familiar with this offense. But why would he fall behind RICKS when RICKS has already proven he is incappable of learning? As a first round pick from last year I'm sure he will be given his full rookie contract to prove himself before he drops any lower than #3. I still see him as the #2 for this season with MINNIS in the slot....We shall see.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-19-2001, 08:54 PM
I think, that the reason a WR has to be a good route runner, is so he can be in the right postion and etc. As a QB, (ex) I'd want my WR to be in the right spot even though I have to make the throw, its nice to have a WR that runs good routes, that way he's there...and bam.

Stuckinbama
05-19-2001, 10:26 PM
Minnis was drafted to replace Lockett as the slot receiver. Minnis runs very nice routes and he has great hands. However, he's as thin as a pencil and he's really not a burner.

Expect him to contribute, but Alexander and Morris will be the big threats at WR. This is not a knock about Minnis' talents, but I just don't see him as ever becoming a #1 or a #2 receiver in the NFL.

milkman
05-20-2001, 12:41 AM
I think you might be right Ed, but Minnis could have a real positive impact as the slot receiver.
I said at the time that Joiner was hired, that he was the only coach in the this group of coaches that I really felt was a good hire. I strongly believe that he'll really help Sly step up his game this season.
I can't remember the last time I honestly had any confidence in a coach on the offensive side of the ball for the Chiefs.

wolfpack0735
05-21-2001, 01:10 PM
Minnis is good enough now to scare SlyMo into working harder. SlyMo will start because of size and a year on Minnis. Minnis will be the slot man. but lets not totally rule out one of the other wr`s in camp. maybe SlyMo just needed a good push from someone who is hungry to start.:cool: