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NaptownChief
05-21-2001, 10:28 AM
CnnSi has Texas Tech ranked 24th in their preseason poll.

Here is some notes on Coach Knights recruiting success:


Once hired by Texas Tech, Knight focused his attention upon the junior colleges in hopes of finding a "quick fix." The results were outstanding, as the Red Raiders signed a full complement of five recruits, all from the juco ranks, and all highly regarded by most scouts.

First, Knight personally greeted high-scoring (27 points per game) 5-foot-10 1/2 Panola (Texas) JC sophomore point guard Will Chavis at the airport when the quickster from Philadelphia flew in to visit Lubbock, and a commitment followed within 48 hours. Next, the Red Raiders got the nod from a pair of frontcourt men of Eastern European descent. Ermal Kuqo, a 6-10, 270-pound Albanian center who spent his sophomore season at Seminole State (Okla.) JC, turned down overtures from Illinois, Kansas State, Charlotte, George Washington and others in order to play for Knight. Note that while Kuqo, an academic qualifier who signed the previous year with Tulsa but remained in junior college when Golden Hurricane coach Bill Self left for Illinois, is ranked among the top 50 juco sophomores by most scouting services. One coach in his conference considers him to be highly overrated.

Also ultimately picking Texas Tech as his collegiate destination was 6-8, 225-pound small forward/power forward Pawel Storozynski, a sharp-shooting native of Poland who posted big numbers this past season at Dodge City (Kan.) Community College. You may recall that Storozynski actually gave South Carolina a verbal commitment late in the season but then looked elsewhere when Eddie Fogler stepped down as the Gamecocks' head coach. Pawel chose the Red Raiders over Illinois, Kansas State, LSU, Baylor, Tennessee and Oregon.

Most recently, Knight has corralled two more juco sophs, 6-6 small forward Kasib Powell of Butler County (Kan.) Community College and 6-8 power forward Billy Pharis of Westark (Ark.) JC. Combined with the other three signees, this gives Texas Tech arguably the best spring recruiting class in the nation

Clint in Wichita
05-21-2001, 11:50 AM
I hope Knight fails miserably.

Maybe he can learn a few tricks from other Big 12 coaches, but not vice versa.

I can't imagine any coach needs any pointers on how to physically assault their players or how to heave foreign objects onto the court.

Sorry, Tech fans...his meltdowns are inevitable. You might as well lay back and enjoy them!

BTW any ranking involving one of Knight's teams is always inflated because of his past successes.

HC_Chief
05-21-2001, 11:59 AM
Well, ANY improvement to the Big XII is good IMO. For too long, this has been a one-pony show (KU).

ISU has been playing well for the past couple of seasons - perhaps they'll step up further. they are well-coached and play hard.

MU is ranting and raving about their new boy Quinn S., but he has yet to deliver.

OU and Sampson are decent, but not consistent.

OSU has gone downhill.

Nebraska - football school

CU & KSU - uh, do they still have basketball teams? :p

Texas - big budget, too much hype - WAY overrated

Baylor - one great player, one great game. Cellar-dwellers with the Cats and 'Buffs

A&M - another football school

Tech - Knight brings character - something this league needs.

MrBlond
05-21-2001, 12:06 PM
"Tech - Knight brings character - something this league needs."

Is this sarcasm?

HC_Chief
05-21-2001, 12:11 PM
Actually, no. How many 'characters' do we have coaching in the Big XII? This league needs some personality - we need to get back to where we once were: coaches like Brown, Stewart and Tubbs. Coaches fans LOVE to hate - and coaches who LOVE to entice. Sadly, this has become a soft conference - sure, Alford and Williams have their teams playing solid basketball - but when they face ACC, Big East, Big 10 or PAC 10 teams in the tourney, they are revealed. We need to infuse some toughness and character - and like him or no, Bobby Knight does this.

NaptownChief
05-21-2001, 12:15 PM
Clint,

Whether you like him or not he is great for the conference...The conference will get huge revenues from TV, merchandise and ticket sales...

I will be willing to bet that every Texas Tech home and road game will be sold out...Even the non-basketball places like Nebraska, Baylor and Colorado...

Texas Tech has sold more merchandise in the 1st month Knight was coach than they had in the previous 10 years combined...

I suggest you pull for him cause he is not going to fail...And when runs through the Big 12 in the next couple years it will only pain you even more if you are pulling against him...

"Just lay back and enjoy it...":D

HC_Chief
05-21-2001, 12:17 PM
And when runs through the Big 12 in the next couple years

Let's not get ahead of ourselves....

NaptownChief
05-21-2001, 12:20 PM
HC,

Trust me on that...His style of ball doesn't require a long break in period...He might challenge for the title this year, but he will definitely challenge for the title with two years...

JimNasium
05-21-2001, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by HC_Chief
- sure, Alford and Williams have their teams playing solid basketball -

Steve Alford coaches in the Big 10 not the Big 12.

HC_Chief
05-21-2001, 12:26 PM
nap - I hope so... really, I do. KU used to stroll through the conference with hardly a challenge. Lately, ISU has been playing very good basketball, and it has done nothing but help improve this conference. MU fans think they're poised to contend - but of course, I've heard that <i>ad nauseum</i> - and it never comes to fruition. But who knows, anything is possible, right? ;)

HC_Chief
05-21-2001, 01:55 PM
D'oh! Thanks for pointing that out Jim. We are discussing Knight, whose progeny was Alford - who is the HC at Iowa. Alford was rumored to be the primary candidate for Knight's old job at Indiana. I referred to ISU, then confused Alford for Eustachy... you can see where the confusion arrised, yes? ;)

I aplogize to any ISU/Iowa fans out there who may have been offended by my little faux pas

;) hehe

Recker24
05-21-2001, 02:29 PM
The Iowa Hawkeyes have an ungodly amount of talent this season...Most pick Iowa to win the BIG 10 this coming season. And why wouldn't they. They return Reggie Evans, the nations leading rebounder, who also averaged 18 points a game last season. Luke Recker, who most are billing as the BIG 10's Player of the year next season, is also returning. He averaged 22 points a game last season. Iowa has one of the top freshmen in the country coming in. Pierre Pierce averaged 37 points a game last year and is a 6'4 point guard. Iowa also returns 6'7 defensive specialist Duez Henderson, and IOWA's MR.BASKETBALL, 6'8 Glen Worley. Iowa has 2, 7 footers on there roster, who both have a lot of talent. Iowa Hawks, picked to win the BIG 10 and are vying for a National Championship this coming season.

NaptownChief
05-21-2001, 02:45 PM
Indiana Mr. Basketball,


Before you crown the Hawks the Big 10 champs don't forget that the Hoosier will be returning every single player if Haston pulls out of the draft...

Phobia
05-21-2001, 04:09 PM
Who cares? Recker punked the Hoosiers in their last meeting with a broken kneecap and shooting off one leg most the game. I can't wait to see what he does when healthy. :eek: :rolleyes:

NaptownChief
05-21-2001, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by KPhobia
Who cares? Recker punked the Hoosiers in their last meeting with a broken kneecap and shooting off one leg most the game. I can't wait to see what he does when healthy. :eek: :rolleyes:


That is one way to look at it...The other way is that IU knocked him out for the season up in Iowa...Just think what they will do to him when they get him back in Assembly Hall...:D

Mi_chief_fan
05-21-2001, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by jl80
HC,

Trust me on that...His style of ball doesn't require a long break in period...He might challenge for the title this year, but he will definitely challenge for the title with two years...

It's a good thing he's in the lil'12 then, because it had been nearly a decade since the Loosiers competed for the Big 10 crown.(Until last season).

NaptownChief
05-21-2001, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Mi_chief_fan


It's a good thing he's in the lil'12 then, because it had been nearly a decade since the Loosiers competed for the Big 10 crown.(Until last season).

IU won the most Big Ten games in the 90's....Not bad for a down period, eh....

keg in kc
05-21-2001, 08:01 PM
IU won the most Big Ten games in the 90's....Not bad for a down period, eh....

Sounds strangely like a Chiefs argument... ;)

NaptownChief
05-21-2001, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by keg in kc


Sounds strangely like a Chiefs argument... ;)

Maybe it has something to do with the Red and White color scheme?:D

keg in kc
05-21-2001, 08:22 PM
Hehe :p

Mi_chief_fan
05-22-2001, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by jl80


IU won the most Big Ten games in the 90's....Not bad for a down period, eh....

When was the last Big 10 title they won? Heck, when was the last time they won a tourney game?

NaptownChief
05-22-2001, 09:25 AM
MI,

You being from Lawrence MI and in here taking shots at IU tells me you obviously have a Big Ten affiliation. Lemme guess, Michigan St fan in the late 70's(79), Big Blue fan in the late 80's (89) and early 90's then right back on the Lansing Express in the late 90's to the present?

I know you are currently on the Lansing Express or else you wouldn't have challenged the last time IU won the Big Ten(93) or a tourney game...Cause Big Blue hasn't pulled home a Big Ten title since 86 and have had more player suspensions and arrest than NCAA invitations in the past 10 years...

Now be honest, are you still wearing your "Unable to win a Big Ten Title Fab Five" baggy shorts?

Recker24
05-22-2001, 10:39 AM
jl80,
How did Indiana knock Luke Recker out for the rest of the season. That comment shows that you have no clue about Iowa or Indiana basketball. Recker was hurt, cracked kneecap, going into that game. That was going to be the last game of the season for him. Every Hawks fan knew it. 27 points, and 8 rebounds on a bumb leg. He ate them up. By the way, Who won the BIG 10 LEAGUE TOURNEY last season. Didn't Iowa knock off Indiana WITHOUT Luke Recker. Yeah I think so. I remember Reggie Evans cramming the ball down your hero's Kurk Haston's face to win the game. Iowa vs Indiana...Iowa 2-0....How do you like them apples???

NaptownChief
05-22-2001, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Recker24
jl80,
How did Indiana knock Luke Recker out for the rest of the season. That comment shows that you have no clue about Iowa or Indiana basketball.

You like to play rough do ya?

First off HawkHead, I was merely joking with KPhob about knocking Recker out...

No clue eh? How bout this for a clue...

Who ranks in the bottom half of the Big Ten based on the last 30 years?

That would be Iowa...

Who ranks #1?

That would be Indiana


When is the last time Iowa won even a share of the Big Ten title? That would be a 3 way tie in 1979.

When is the last time Iowa won a Big Ten title outright? Gee, that would be two years prior to my birth, 1970...Very impressive

When is the last time Iowa won a national championship?

Gee, I guess we are still waiting on that one...Maybe now that you have a INDIANA HOOSIER leading your program something might rub off...


You better be thankful to Northwestern cause if it wasn't for them you would have the fewest Big Ten titles in the conference...(Original 10 of coarse).


So how does those rotten apples taste HawkHead?

Mi_chief_fan
05-22-2001, 02:38 PM
Calling me a U-M fan was just plain low!!!

I'm Spartan, through & through. Whether it be the football team that's won a bowl game in the last decade, the basketball team that's been to 3 straight final fours, the wrestling team that yeear in & out is nationally ranked, or the hockey team that is perennially in the frozen 4, you have to admit this: MSU is just athletically superior to IU, and it drives you crazy.

Look at the bright side: even though you don't have Boob Knight to fall back on anymore, you still have you're soccer program. ;)

NaptownChief
05-22-2001, 02:46 PM
MI,

I have nothing but respect for MSU...Big Blue on the other hand is a different story. I have always liked Jud and Izzo both. Steve Smith was one of my favorite non-IU players of all time...

I give MSU plenty of credit, but superior? They have 3 more basketball titles to go before they pull even...

You have to pay IU their dues...During the past two seasons when you guys have been at the height of your program you are just 2-2 against us in conference play...

Mi_chief_fan
05-22-2001, 03:00 PM
I have to admit, the Big 10 is much less entertaining without Knight. I concur 100% about U-M; Steve Fisher & Brian Ellerbe have ruined many potential careers with their poor coaching techniques(look how long ot took Jalen Rose to recover). Their program was simple: recruit the best talent by not instilling discipline(something young guys hate).

Could you have imagined what Knight would have accomplished with the Fab 5? Just saying 'fab 5' makes me sick, BTW.

As far as IU football, my bosses son is the punter, Ryan Hamre.

NaptownChief
05-22-2001, 03:09 PM
The funny thing about U of M fans is watching them squirm when you rub it in their face that their wonderful "Flab Five" couldn't even win a Big Ten title...:D

As for IU's football team, well they stink and will continue to do so until they get rid of Cameron...Decent recruiter but not a very good coach...Mallory was a very good coach and just not a very good recruiter. But at least Mallory took us to 6 straight bowl games in the late 80's and early 90's...

I wish I could take more pride in their soccer program but never cared much for soccer...However, Todd Yeagley was a good friend of mine when we were growing up so I got to know his old man when I was a kid...That was kinda cool.

Mi_chief_fan
05-22-2001, 03:16 PM
Cam's teams score points. They just can't stop anyone from scoring. KC Wolfman disagrees with me on this, but I believe moving Randle-El to WR is a move of desperation, to try to get opposing defenses from focusing so much on him. Only time will tell.......

Bill Mallory was a good coach. His problem(Cam's too) was trying to recruit against Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame & all the rest of the big 10, and when Northwestern finally emerged, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Purdue & Minnesota figured 'Hey, if they can do it, why can't we?' He was more of a victim of overzealous expectations. It's hard to recruit in the big boys' back yards.

NaptownChief
05-22-2001, 03:27 PM
Randle El forced Cam's hand...He looked into his NFL stock and was told that he could dramatically increase his NFL stock if he were a WR...So he told Cam the only way he was coming back to school was if he were given the opportunity to play WR/KR...

Recker24
05-23-2001, 10:37 AM
Luke Recker leads our program?? No that would be the Nation's leading rebounder, Reggie Evans. Double Double in almost every game last season. Why are you talking about the past pal. Here's your answer, because Indiana basketball has no future. Iowa killed you 2 times last season, and all you can talk aboput is 5-10 years ago. Who gives a sh*t about the past. The times is now, and the Haks are dominate. The 5 we have are unbelievable, and the depth is remarkable. So Pally, How do you like them freakin apples punk.

Rausch
05-23-2001, 10:48 AM
Was watching ESPN classic...


How many times must I suffer the last 5 seconds of the Missouri/UCLA game?

Iowanian
05-23-2001, 10:55 AM
Reckerwannabe,

Over that past year, these guys and I have tossed around plenty of friendly smack concerning our respective conferences and teams. You haven't been here that long. A little freindly jabbing is expected and accepted....but I think you should tone it down a bit.

Several Hawk fans including myself and Kphob are regulars here....enthusiasm is great, but I think you should tone it down a bit for a while..you'll come off less like a yapping pup and people will respect your opinion more..

-chief fans use the same argument as Indiana BB....we won the most games in the 90's, and beat the faiders x years in a row....Its the only grace we have after last years hairball.

NaptownChief
05-23-2001, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Recker24
and all you can talk aboput is 5-10 years ago. Who gives a sh*t about the past. The times is now, and the Haks are dominate.


You remind me of those little yipping lap dog's that barks all tough when you are separated by a locked door...

To answer your question about who gives a $hit about the past? People who have a successful past, that's who...So I completely understand why you don't my little Chihuahua....

Someday you will be smart enough to figure out that if the past doesn't matter then neither does the present because the present will be in the past as of tomorrow....

BTW, while you are at the height of your hardon over Iowa basketball you still finished behind us in the conference...But I guess it is easy to overlook that since how that happens just about every single year...


Run along my little Chihuahua, run along...

Recker24
05-23-2001, 07:22 PM
Yeah I apologize to the Hawk fans for getting a little excited there. I just hate it when Indiana fans think they are still among the elite. This will be my last post on this topic JL, because I can see you can't grasp reality. Here is a dose of it for you. There isn't one NCAA basketball preseason poll that has Indiana rated in the top 15. Iowa is already ranked in 4 polls. 1 has them high as 6th, and the lowest IOWA goes is 8th. Forget the past. The future is here. Now, when people talk about the BIG 10, they don't mention Indiana....They talk about Illinios, Mich.St, and Iowa. That is a fact,
Sincerely,
The Chihuahua
How do you like them apples????

NaptownChief
05-23-2001, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Recker24
There isn't one NCAA basketball preseason poll that has Indiana rated in the top 15.

You mean to tell me that I not only have to listen to you tell me that 5 National Championships doesn't matter for $hit cause they are in the past all the while placing stock in something as worthless as a preseaon poll?

I'm glad you are done debating the topic cause you have clearly proven that I don't need to waste any more of my time discussing basketball with a real knucklehead...

Phobia
05-24-2001, 09:11 AM
Nearly everyone in the nation except UCLA, Duke, & UNC is jealous of your 5 championships.

But, Iowa is going to be strong for several years. IU will make the tourney next year but won't contend for the BigTen.

Congrats on your previous fortune. We'll give a little but you should also concede UofI's potential in the near future.

Welcome aboard, Recker.

I don't care if you run that smack but what brought us all here was the Chiefs and for that reason, we're all pretty tight. That's why our smack regarding the BigTen is pretty mild. You'll probably mellow some as you get to "know" jl80 & others. Always glad to have another Hawk fan, though! Where are you from in Iowa?

ChiTown
05-24-2001, 10:22 AM
but my alma mater spanked Iowa last year in Manhattan, KS. I know, I know, KSU basketball is horrible. But my point is any team that lost to my team last year can't hold their heads up too high.

ChiTown
~waving a victory flag in shame

NaptownChief
05-24-2001, 05:54 PM
KPhob,

Iowa has a good future with a guy like Alford at the helm...I have pulled for Iowa hard ever since he showed up....with the exception of the IU games and I will continue to do so despite guys like Pecker24...

Just a little surprised that someone would be crazy enough to attack IU just because they won a pair of games against them(none in Assembly Hall I might add)...Chumps like Pecker24 get caught up in the national media hype that loved bad mouthing Knight and IU just cause he didn't win a title in the 90's...Considering Knight's standards that he set of winning a title every 5 or 6 years the 90's was a let down. But that is only when you hold it to his supreme standard...The 90''s was IU's darkest decade, yet they had the best record in the Big Ten and won 2 Big Ten titles...Not bad for a down decade, uh? Last I checked, Iowa's best decade was not as good as IU's worst....So for some chump to come out attacking like he did was pretty pathetic...