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BIG_DADDY
05-22-2001, 06:31 PM
The United Nations is attempting to disarm all citizens on the planet. The story is at http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/5/19/181541.shtml It seems to me that every time I hear about the United Nations they are doing something that hacks me off. I do believe that the UN WAS set up for the worlds billionaires. The Rockefellers family Trust has donated a ton of money to the United Nations. They just yanked a couple of seats from us and the further we get down this road, the more I am convinced that these guys will NEVER act in our citizenries best interest. Your thoughts?

old_geezer
05-22-2001, 07:37 PM
My feelings exactly. The UN only seems interested in bringing America back to the rest of the world. We are not one nation among equals - We are the reigning superpower of the world, and all the third-world countries with their tinhorn dictators want to bring us down. It's time to abandon this European controled body and attempt to forge a similar pact with the American countries (North, Central, and South). Canada, Mexico, and the US could lead a very powerful economic bloc of countries to combat the growing influence of radicals in the UN. :mad:

keg in kc
05-22-2001, 07:38 PM
Globalism at it's best (or is that worst).

I do think it's inevitable that, should we find a way to survive (I have doubts about that...), that eventually we'll have a world government, I just wonder what it will be. Will it be democratic/republic in nature, or will it be an oligarchy, or maybe a plutocracy (which is personally what I consider the good ol' U.S. of A. to be right now)?

As for specific thoughts about the UN, I'll plead ignorance, because to be perfectly honest I don't know enough about it at this point in time to speak intelligently. The days of keeping up with the UN for my high school debate team are 10 years in the past, and I just don't know much of anything now...

Tomahawk 11
05-22-2001, 09:07 PM
World gov't?!?! The apocolypse!?!!Doesn't the "Left Behind" series cover this. I am not into it, but I had a friend telling me about it.

Rick Stephens
05-22-2001, 09:09 PM
The United States should have gotten out of the United Nations long ago. They just want the money that the United States pours into it each year.
As far as a universal gun ban there is little doubt that is where the Demorats are trying to take us. One needs to look no further than the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. Diane Fineswine, Ted Kennedy and Slick Willie and Al Whore have been leeding us down that path with all their bans on firearms.

keg in kc
05-22-2001, 09:19 PM
Tomahawk, I'm not talking about some fantasy.

When I talk about surviving, it's not "the apocalypse", it's because of the nuclear and biological weapons that every nut terrorist can get their hands on. Bin Ladin, for example, has both nuclear and biological capability. With the ever-escalating situation in the Middle EastI think it's only a matter of time before the next big war breaks out, and although I think it'll be short in duration I think a lot of people will die very quickly, and I believe we will feel the pain here in the mainland US (only a matter of time before terrorists strike here, we're woefully unprepared). Things could get very, very ugly, and there's even a legitimate chance that the entire economic infrastructure of the globe could be effected by it. I hope it doesn't happen, and even think it might not, but it's a real possibility IMO.

As for the world government, I think it's a logical step that will be taken eventually. We started with nomadic bands, moved to towns, city-states, and eventually nations, and I don't think it's a stretch at all to predict that we'll continue to centralize into continent-sized governments and then, eventually, global, maybe a sort of world sized union of states.

Herzig
05-22-2001, 09:26 PM
I am also not a big fan of the UN

In my opinion their biggest gaff was the WAY they established the state of Israel after WWII. They took most of the Palestinians' land away and gave it to homeless people in effect making more homeless in their own land. Did the Jews have some "rights" to this land? Now look at all of the bloodshed and wars that have taken place since then.

I am not anti-sematic..but this whole Israeli-Palestinian situation scares me and has for years. Our backing of Israel alienates us from almost all of the Middle East for what?

I do believe that the Jewish people needed a homeland after WWII, but this was not the way to go about it. Ultimately, this situation could set us up for WWIII someday just as the Treaty of Versailles that ended WWI, led us into WWII.

Sick of giving other countries millions of our tax money when we have homeless uneducated people on our own soil....

keg in kc
05-22-2001, 09:34 PM
I completely agree Greg, I just don't understand (well, I do understand - $$$$...) why we support Israel. In the first place, it's just not an intelligent choice, and, more importantly, it's an unethical choice that is directly against the very foundation of this country.

Along a similar line, this garbage with the U.S. being the policeman of the world needs to end, completely. We need get things in order in our own house first...

oleman47
05-22-2001, 10:01 PM
I'm sure the gun and munitions billionaires want us to withdraw from the UN. The peace thing is tough on sales.

Tomahawk 11
05-22-2001, 10:14 PM
Keg,

I was talking about the one world gov't that is aluded to in the Bible. Supposed to be a sign of the rapture and the whole book of Revelations thing. I wasn't mocking what you were saying. Certainly the wacko's over there are something to be concerned about.

keg in kc
05-22-2001, 10:39 PM
No biggie, tomahawk, I saw that my previous post could be taken in another way so I thought I'd clear up what I meant. I'm not a religious man (although I am a spiritual man, but that's another topic altogether), nor do I believe the bible is anything more than a book, so I wouldn't be posting about a biblical apocalypse coming to fruition as the realization of ancient prophecy...

DaKCManAP
05-23-2001, 05:10 AM
From the way I understand it, Israel was part of Palestine. The land was controlled by England at the time. England promised the land to the Arabs and the Jews at the same time. The Arabs wanted more land than England was willing to give for the new state and repeatedly rejected the offers asking for more. So they then offered it after WWII to the Jewish people who accepted it. It passed through the UN and the state was established. When it was first established it was half the size it is now and was all dead, useless desert land. Arab radio stations began to tell Arabs living in the new state to leave so they don't accidently kill them when they attack and then they can return when they were victorious. The first day it was an official country they were attacked from all sides by Arab countries. Miraculously Israel won and expanded their territory to a little more than it is now. That sounds fair to me though, attacked the first day with no army and no real government. Sounds real fair. But they won. Then a while later they were attacked once again and once again they prevailed. A lot of the conflict now is that the Arab families who left before the 6 day war so they weren't harmed and so all the Jewish people could be killed want their land and property back that they willingly left and lost in the war. Personally, why do they deserve it?

That's the way I understand it....

BIG_DADDY
05-23-2001, 01:43 PM
As many political opinions there are on this BB I am surprised to see so little response to this subject. :(

Herzig
05-23-2001, 09:28 PM
Good points ...

I think the way the Israel was created set up a situation for conflict...It didnt take a brain surgeon to figure that one out. Im not saying that I agree with what the Palestinians are doing or the Israelis...It will be an area of conflict until Iraq or Iran develop Nukes and then we will have a real energy crisis going on. These people have been fighting for Millenia...

Here's a site that explains some things..

http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/part.html

Gaz
05-24-2001, 08:15 AM
The United Nations is exactly like Socialism, Capitalism and Equal Opportunity.

An excellent idea that was destined to fail as soon as people were introduced into the equation.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not at all surprised at the current state of the U.N.

Lightning Rod
05-24-2001, 08:56 AM
I see the UN like a traffic cop on Quaaludes. Moving a bit too slow to be much good.