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KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:40 PM
I have been a member of this site a long time so take it easy on me when I bring up something that has been discussed at length.

I have been a Chiefs fan since 1990. Never once in this time have the Chiefs drafted a first round quarterback that had the potential to be a franchise type player. We deserve this in Kansas City. We deserve this superstar. We endured all the quarterbacks well past their prime or retreads from another team. Deberg, Krieg, Montana, Grbac, Bono, Gannon, Green, and Huard. That is a new quarterback every two years or so. Green is the closest thing to a mainstay at the position in Kansas City. Green is a guy that has played on four teams now. Kansas City deserves to have a QB that is all their own.

All you football snobs can flick up your nose at me and ramble on about the offensive line until you blue in the face. Kansas City has had this element most of the time since 1990. What has it got us? One playoff win in 17 freaking years. We can find some Linemen to get the job done. I understand how hard it is to find dominate left tackles, but it is even harder to find your man behind center. Hell, the best offensive linemen on the Chiefs right now was not even drafted. The weakest link on the line was a first round pick.

It is time to take our lumps and groom our franchise QB. Carl has to understand that the fans are smart enough to know what is going on. I am so sick of our dedication to status quo mediocrity. I will personally become a Denver fan (God forbid) if we sign another retread QB for next year. Here is my list of offensive offensive pick ups:

Leftwich, Pennington!!!!, Grossman, Romo, Martin, Lemon. I am sure this list can be much longer.

That is why without further hesitation I want to encourage everyone to get the momentum going to make the Brian Brohm draft happen. We need to suck it up and rebuild the right way for the first time. Yes, this team is that bad.


Brian Brohm - Kansas City Chief

88TG88
09-10-2007, 08:41 PM
Sam Baker > Brohm

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:41 PM
Here come all the people that would rather have Left Tackle than Brian Brohm, this happened yesterday.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:42 PM
Baker is not even the best O Linemen in the draft. Come on man. We won NOTHING with Roaf and Alt.

Deberg_1990
09-10-2007, 08:43 PM
I have been a Chiefs fan since 1990.

That long huh??

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:43 PM
People are idiots. Brohm is the best QB to come through the college ranks in the last 4 years.

Chiefnj2
09-10-2007, 08:43 PM
Yeah, that would be a great fit.

Brian Brohm: "Coach, I don't think I have the complete playbook. There aren't any pass plays greater than 10 yards in my copy."

Herm: "That's it son. This ain't the Arena League."

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:43 PM
Baker is not even the best O Linemen in the draft. Come on man. We won NOTHING with Roaf and Alt.

Baker probably is the best LT, but um I don't think you take LT's over QB's.

88TG88
09-10-2007, 08:44 PM
Baker is not even the best O Linemen in the draft. Come on man. We won NOTHING with Roaf and Alt.
do you know things ?

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:44 PM
That long huh??


Sorry, I am only 26

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:44 PM
People are idiots. Brohm is the best QB to come through the college ranks in the last 4 years.

Don't worry they won't pick Brohm then they'll use the "we have Brodie Croyle and he hasn't played yet" reason for it.

Then 2 hours later they'll trade a 4th round pick to the Jets for Chad Pennington.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:44 PM
My vote is Jake Long for best tackle but he is nothing next to brohm

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:45 PM
do you know things ?

We we really didn't win anything.....unless a bunch of regular games count I guess.

Mr. Laz
09-10-2007, 08:45 PM
do you really want this coaching staff to have another shot at jacking up a young QB?

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:46 PM
We we really didn't win anything.....unless a bunch of regular games count I guess.


no shit. we chiefs fans are such losers sometimes. no one gives a crao what you do in the regular season. being respectable every year is for LOSERS. it is all or nothing

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-10-2007, 08:47 PM
I have been a member of this site a long time so take it easy on me
Apparently you've been here about 10 minutes.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 08:47 PM
Give me a left tackle.

Let me know all the big games Brohm has won. His schedule has been made up of 99% cupcakes since he's been at Louisville. I think they beat WVU once.

88TG88
09-10-2007, 08:47 PM
We we really didn't win anything.....unless a bunch of regular games count I guess.
I know, but hes blaming that on Roaf which is really dumb.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:48 PM
I know, but hes blaming that on Roaf which is really dumb.


LT is the SECOND most important position on offense. Guess what is number one

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:48 PM
Nah he's making the point that if you have no QB having an all world LT isn't gonna matter.

All the teams that win now and are great teams have players at QB. You don't contend for championships with scrub QB's anymore.

88TG88
09-10-2007, 08:49 PM
LT is the SECOND most important position on offense. Guess what is number one
Tell that to the 01 Ravens.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:50 PM
Tell that to the 01 Ravens.

Let's take one of the few exceptions, that's like saying "look at the 99 Rams" and shit like that.

If you think you're gonna make a bowl with a shitty QB in a conference where Manning, Brady and Palmer play I got news for you...

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 08:52 PM
The game is won upfront. A great OLine can make a good quarterback great.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:52 PM
Tell that to the 01 Ravens.



Since it happened once, that is how you do it huh? tell it to the

07 colts
03/04/05 patriots
2000 rams
98/99 broncos
97 Packers
93/94/97 Cowboys
95 49ers


dont go back to the ravens and bucs and act like that is the norm. stupid argument

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 08:52 PM
I said it yesterday five times and I'll say it again. I want a first round QB, but Brohm will not be there for us to grab with the 31st pick. He'll be a top five pick for sure.

88TG88
09-10-2007, 08:53 PM
Let's take one of the few exceptions, that's like saying "look at the 99 Rams" and shit like that.

If you think you're gonna make a bowl with a shitty QB in a conference where Manning, Brady and Palmer play I got news for you...
I'm not gonna argue with you anymore because there is no way you will think anyone's opinion, besides your own, is right

I honestly think we won't have a shot at Brohm so this doesn't matter.

Sanka
09-10-2007, 08:53 PM
Brohm is going to Atlanta.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 08:54 PM
We're rebuilding. You develop the line before the quarterback. Not the other way around.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:55 PM
I'm not gonna argue with you anymore because there is no way you will think anyone's opinion, besides your own, is right


i am sure it is mostly because yours is so wrong, but you wont think that anyone elses opinion is right, even when faced with facts

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:55 PM
Brohm is going to Atlanta.

It might be easier to win some games in the NFC this year

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:56 PM
Well it'll be nice when we get that perfect situation for a QB in 10 years.

The Colts shouldn't have taken Manning either since they didn't have anything else.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:57 PM
Well it'll be nice when we get that perfect situation for a QB in 10 years.

The Colts shouldn't have taken Manning either since they didn't have anything else.

exactly, you take a brohm/manning/palmer when you can get your hands on him.

88TG88
09-10-2007, 08:58 PM
i am sure it is mostly because yours is so wrong, but you wont think that anyone elses opinion is right, even when faced with facts
poll ?

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:58 PM
Why are Chiefs fans so unable to think big? Has Carl brainwashed everyone into mediocre thinking?

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:58 PM
Not wanting to take a QB first is just plain fear, "OMG Ryan Leaf"

In the Chiefs situation you value the QB higher than the LT if they are the top players.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 08:59 PM
If you don't want Brohm, you are a Carl clone. Afraid to take a risk and lose some games for long term good. I am SURE you will get the status quo carl to draft a LT

Mecca
09-10-2007, 08:59 PM
Why are Chiefs fans so unable to think big? Has Carl brainwashed everyone into mediocre thinking?

We've never developed a QB or drafted one high, why start now? It's what everyone knows...

cdcox
09-10-2007, 09:00 PM
I'm not gonna argue with you anymore because there is no way you will think anyone's opinion, besides your own, is right

I honestly think we won't have a shot at Brohm so this doesn't matter.

Mecca happens to be right on this one. NFL teams invest their draft choices in QBs much more heavily than they do tackles.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:00 PM
exactly, you take a brohm/manning/palmer when you can get your hands on him.

Brohm isn't in their friggin' league. That's what you're not grasping.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:00 PM
If the Chiefs really have a chance to pick Brian Brohm and they don't that'll be it, I'll turn in my fan card that would be the absolute last straw.

88TG88
09-10-2007, 09:01 PM
Brohm isn't in their friggin' league. That's what you're not grasping.
rep

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:01 PM
Brohm isn't in their friggin' league. That's what you're not grasping.

Brohm is very much in that league. Argue all you want about the level of play he goes against, but he has all the skills. The scouts and people that study football all say it.

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:01 PM
So, assuming Brohm goes early, who will fall to 31? Woodson? Brennan? Should we trade up? Down? To get who? What QB will worth taking late in the first/early in the second?

HemiEd
09-10-2007, 09:02 PM
Yeah, that would be a great fit.

Brian Brohm: "Coach, I don't think I have the complete playbook. There aren't any pass plays greater than 10 yards in my copy."

Herm: "That's it son. This ain't the Arena League."

ROFL

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:02 PM
those two cant hold brohm's jock

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:02 PM
Brohm isn't in their friggin' league. That's what you're not grasping.

And that is nothing more than a matter of opinion...for all we know he could be a great player. There were people that thought Carson Palmer wouldn't be any good because he was to reserved and not a real leader.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:03 PM
So, assuming Brohm goes early, who will fall to 31? Woodson? Brennan? Should we trade up? Down? To get who? What QB will worth taking late in the first/early in the second?

Just give that up, that shit's ****in stupid this team sucks, they aren't making the playoffs if you want a realistic best case scenario say 17.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:04 PM
And that is nothing more than a matter of opinion...for all we know he could be a great player. There were people that thought Carson Palmer wouldn't be any good because he was to reserved and not a real leader.


What does Brohm have to do on the field to prove it. . . he has the brain, the leadership skills, the arm, and especially the accuracy

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:05 PM
Just give that up, that shit's ****in stupid this team sucks, they aren't making the playoffs if you want a realistic best case scenario say 17.

The lowest pick we're gonna get is 25. I'm telling you.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:06 PM
The lowest pick we're gonna get is 25. I'm telling you.


I want some of what you're smokin

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:06 PM
Brohm is very much in that league. Argue all you want about the level of play he goes against, but he has all the skills. The scouts and people that study football all say it.

Brohm's best trait is that he doesn't turn the ball over much. He's smart with the ball. He doesn't have Manning or Palmer's physical gifts, he just has their intelligence. He's not a terrible prospect, but he's definitely not an elite one and not a can't miss quarterback.

And yes, the defenses he faces week in and week out are very important. He plays in a weak conference and generally against a weak non-conference schedule. Manning and Palmer played in two very good conferences and were better even despite that.

And he crapped the bed in that Rutgers game last year.

cdcox
09-10-2007, 09:06 PM
This is something I posted a few months ago. It pertains here and I don't think many people saw it, so it is worth repeating.

I have calculated how the NFL values these positions based on draft order (see details below):


HB: 15.5%
FB: 0.3%
QB: 14.2%
WR: 4.8%
WR: 4.8%
TE: 5.4%
LT: 3.3%
LG: 1.1%
C: 1.7%
RG: 1.1%
RT: 3.3%
K: 0.4%
P: 0.1%
KR/PR (one guy): 0%*
FS: 6.9%
SS: 4.6%
LCB: 4.2%
RCB: 4.2%
SOLB: 3.7%
WOLB: 3.7%
MLB: 5.3%
LDE: 3.5%
RDE: 3.5%
DT: 2.2%
NT/DT: 2.2%

The first surprise is RB>QB this is a little misleading. RB burn up faster than QB so you have to draft them more often. The above numbers should be adjusted for average career length of a starter at the position.

The second surprise is Safties > CB. That just shocks me, but probably should not when you consider the number of teams using a cover 2 and how the rules have castrated CB play.

Thrid surprise is MLB/ILB > OLB. Sure the MLB is the most important spot in the 4-3, but a lot of your play makers and pass rushers come from the OLB spot.

Fourth surprise is TE > WR. I think TE are being over-valued in the NFL right now due to the TG and Gates effect.

Methology in next post.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:06 PM
What does Brohm have to do on the field to prove it. . . he has the brain, the leadership skills, the arm, and especially the accuracy

It's the offense he plays in basically because it's spread so he puts up a ton of stats and such. Everyone ripped the shit out of Alex Smith for the same reason.

Some people think if you play in a spread offense you are automatically Tim Couch and will never be any good.

Tribal Warfare
09-10-2007, 09:07 PM
Sorry, I am only 26

well, buddy I am too so get off your high horse n00b

cdcox
09-10-2007, 09:07 PM
Methodology (only for the geeks):

I compiled a list of the players drafted in the first three rounds over the last 3 years. I chose the first 3 rounds because teams are looking for eventual starters in those rounds. Latter rounds are for backups and special team players. I used the last 3 years to get enough data to even out draft-class variations, while being recent enough to capture current trends.

I then assigned a value to each player based on the NFL Draft value chart. This goes from 3000 points in the first round down to 116 points for the end of the 3rd round. I then totaled the number of draft value points for each position over the 3 year period. I then made some additional adjutments based on the fact that you field 1 QB but 2 guards, etc. I also made the following groupings:

MLB = MLB + ILB
DT = DT + NT

There was no way to separate Left/Right Tackle, Guard, DT, DE, OLB, or CB.

The numbers are a little skewed since the above positional alignments are based on standard proset offense and 4-3 defense. Many times an offense lines up with 2 RB or 2 TE or 3 WR instead of a FB. Also there are 3-4 defenses and nickle packages. These would slightly change the value assignments.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:07 PM
And that is nothing more than a matter of opinion...for all we know he could be a great player. There were people that thought Carson Palmer wouldn't be any good because he was to reserved and not a real leader.

Those are intangibles. We're talking about talent. Brohm isn't Manning or Palmer in terms of talent.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:08 PM
The lowest pick we're gonna get is 25. I'm telling you.

Well I can safely say that you are a complete retard, congratulations for achieving this.

HemiEd
09-10-2007, 09:08 PM
Nah he's making the point that if you have no QB having an all world LT isn't gonna matter.

All the teams that win now and are great teams have players at QB. You don't contend for championships with scrub QB's anymore.

How about we trade a 4th to the Buccaneer's for the rights to Plummer?

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Those are intangibles. We're talking about talent. Brohm isn't Manning or Palmer in terms of talent.

Ok Alex Smith, people will say the exact same shit about Brohm they said about him...

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:09 PM
What does Brohm have to do on the field to prove it. . . he has the brain, the leadership skills, the arm, and especially the accuracy

But does he have a hot southern wife?

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:09 PM
It's the offense he plays in basically because it's spread so he puts up a ton of stats and such. Everyone ripped the shit out of Alex Smith for the same reason.

Some people think if you play in a spread offense you are automatically Tim Couch and will never be any good.


Yeah, but he is doing it now with a different coack and it is not exactly the same philosophy. Beating West Virginia is no slouch. He was the top rated prospect coming out of high school and that is not just cause of his smarts. He has all the tools.

the Talking Can
09-10-2007, 09:09 PM
i don't know enough about Brohm to know if he is Manning or Tim Couch, and I have no problem drafting a QB next year....but please, dear god, can we play Croyle this year?

spending a 3rd on a strong armed kid and then never letting him play before drafting another QB is just so stupid, and therefore very plausible...

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Well I can safely say that you are a complete retard, congratulations for achieving this.

You'll see.

Smed1065
09-10-2007, 09:09 PM
I trade down and get a LT and QB in the first.

Basileus777
09-10-2007, 09:10 PM
It's the offense he plays in basically because it's spread so he puts up a ton of stats and such. Everyone ripped the shit out of Alex Smith for the same reason.

Some people think if you play in a spread offense you are automatically Tim Couch and will never be any good.

Louisville's offense is not nearly as questionable as Utah's. Petrino is running his offense in the NFL now.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:10 PM
It's the offense he plays in basically because it's spread so he puts up a ton of stats and such.

He hasn't even put up a ton of stats in the past.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:10 PM
Ok Alex Smith, people will say the exact same shit about Brohm they said about him...


Have you SEEN that knuckleball Manning throws??????? Brohm's armstrength is plenty good

Sanka
09-10-2007, 09:11 PM
Brohm is going to be a Falcon.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Ok Alex Smith, people will say the exact same shit about Brohm they said about him...

I like Smith, but he's not proven anything in this league so far and he's not nearly as good as Palmer or Manning talent-wise.

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Brohm is going to be a Falcon.

Or a Jet.

ChiefsCountry
09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Well it'll be nice when we get that perfect situation for a QB in 10 years.

The Colts shouldn't have taken Manning either since they didn't have anything else.

Colts had Tarik Glenn, Marshall Faulk, and Marvin Harrison when they drafted Manning.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
He hasn't even put up a ton of stats in the past.


stupid


YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 66 98 819 67.3 8.36 74 6 2 11 153.67
2005 207 301 2883 68.8 9.58 76 19 5 17 166.73
2006 199 313 3049 63.6 9.74 75 16 5 16 159.08
2007 41 60 776 68.3 12.93 81 9 0 0 226.47
Projected 246 360 4656 68.3 12.93 81 54 0 0 226.47

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Louisville's offense is not nearly as questionable as Utah's. Petrino is running his offense in the NFL now.

Which is an excellent point but the offense he played in will be one of the first things brought up about him....

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Have you SEEN that knuckleball Manning throws??????? Brohm's armstrength is plenty good

Because Manning and Brohm are the same person.

Sanka
09-10-2007, 09:13 PM
Or a Jet.
He is going to be re-united with Petrino.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:13 PM
stupid


YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 66 98 819 67.3 8.36 74 6 2 11 153.67
2005 207 301 2883 68.8 9.58 76 19 5 17 166.73
2006 199 313 3049 63.6 9.74 75 16 5 16 159.08
2007 41 60 776 68.3 12.93 81 9 0 0 226.47
Projected 246 360 4656 68.3 12.93 81 54 0 0 226.47

Those aren't big statistics for college. Go look at Manning or Palmer's college stats.

cdcox
09-10-2007, 09:13 PM
The two most important stats for projecting college QB success in the NFL are numbrer of career starts (should be greater that 30) and career completion percentage (should be greater than 60%). Brohm looks to meet both of these criteria, and should be a good player in the NFL. We'll regret it deeply if we get the chance to draft him and pass.

Sanka
09-10-2007, 09:14 PM
AND BRODIE IS THE FUTURE. TAKE THIS BROHM CRAP OUT OF HERE.

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:14 PM
Colts had Tarik Glenn, Marshall Faulk, and Marvin Harrison when they drafted Manning.

We have LJ, Brian Waters, and Tony G, and Dwayne Bowe.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:14 PM
All I'm saying is if the Chiefs are in position to take Brohm and don't that'll be it for me.

I don't think Brohm is quite as good as a Palmer or a Manning but I think he can be as good as Drew Brees is.

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:14 PM
AND BRODIE IS THE FUTURE. TAKE THIS BROHM CRAP OUT OF HERE.

I wish.

dirk digler
09-10-2007, 09:14 PM
If the Chiefs get the chance to draft Brohm you do it.

The guy is built just like Manning is. He is huge at 6-4 225.

BTW I didn't realize the Rockies drafted him.

If healthy Brohm is one of the best play callers in the nation. He has a Tom Brady swagger with a Carson Palmer-like arm. He's big and strong and makes sound decisions for his team. However, he has a downside that the other top quarterback's don't and that's durability. He appears to be relatively fragile and that could scare teams away from taking him in the top five as hed be projected were he to forgo his senior year at Louisville.

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:15 PM
Those aren't big statistics for college. Go look at Manning or Palmer's college stats.

He'll do something special this year.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:15 PM
AND BRODIE IS THE FUTURE. TAKE THIS BROHM CRAP OUT OF HERE.

They should play him and find out but right now Croyle doesn't count because when Huard starts over you....

If Croyle proves nothing and they pass on Brohm for that reason it will be one of the dumbest things in franchise history.

KurtCobain
09-10-2007, 09:16 PM
He is going to be re-united with Petrino.

They both wish so. But Jets'll get him.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:16 PM
He'll do something special this year.

Yes, he's done a great job lighting up Middle Tennessee State and Murray State.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:16 PM
If the Chiefs get the chance to draft Brohm you do it.

The guy is built just like Manning is. He is huge at 6-4 225.

BTW I didn't realize a the Rockies drafted him.


He has all the skills

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:17 PM
I think Joey is related to Halfcan.....I watched these games yesterday the Chiefs looked worse than the Jets and Falcons...

The Jets got smacked sure but the Pats would have beat the Chiefs about 50-0.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:17 PM
Yes, he's done a great job lighting up Middle Tennessee State and Murray State.



This is what he did against West Virginia last year


19 26 354 73.1 13.62 40 1

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:18 PM
You gotta have balls to draft a franchise QB, apparently several people here would rather go with a "safe" pick that's nice but safe doesn't win championships.

Basileus777
09-10-2007, 09:19 PM
This is what he did against West Virginia last year


19 26 354 73.1 13.62 40 1

Brohm did play terrible against Rutgers last year, which was probably the best defense he faced. However, he had no pass protection at all, so its not completely his fault.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:19 PM
You gotta have balls to draft a franchise QB, apparently several people here would rather go with a "safe" pick that's nice but safe doesn't win championships.


Safe picks get you Ryan Sims and Dwayne Bowe

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:20 PM
This is what he did against West Virginia last year


19 26 354 73.1 13.62 40 1

Here's him crapping the bed against Rutgers:

13/27, 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:21 PM
against wake forrest in the bowl

24 34 311 70.6 9.15 50 0 0 2 99.0

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:21 PM
A young improving team we are watching right now the 49ers, they had nothing the first pick of their new coach was a QB...

QB>everything else when all things are equal.

dirk digler
09-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Here's him crapping the bed against Rutgers:

13/27, 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Shit that is better than most pro QB's do.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Here's him crapping the bed against Rutgers:

13/27, 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT


Did you watch the game? I did. He had no chance. Peyton would not have done any better

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Brohm did play terrible against Rutgers last year, which was probably the best defense he faced.

And Rutgers defense is not all that good in the scheme of things.

Basileus777
09-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Here's him crapping the bed against Rutgers:

13/27, 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Did you see the game? Rutgers had a great pass rush last year and Brohm had no protection at all. He didn't play well, but not many qbs could've in that situation.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:22 PM
Him crapping the bed is probably going to be one of the best games our QB puts up this year.

Tribal Warfare
09-10-2007, 09:22 PM
You gotta have balls to draft a franchise QB, apparently several people here would rather go with a "safe" pick that's nice but safe doesn't win championships.


let see what Croyle has 1st

The Bad Guy
09-10-2007, 09:22 PM
A young improving team we are watching right now the 49ers, they had nothing the first pick of their new coach was a QB...

QB>everything else when all things are equal.

Agreed.

There is also no chance the Chiefs take a LT in the first round when they gave McIntosh decent coin.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:22 PM
And Rutgers defense is not all that good in the scheme of things.


you're kidding???

ChiefsCountry
09-10-2007, 09:23 PM
I would rather get my LT first see if Croyle sucks and if he does and he werent that good to be with then grap a QB the next year. If I'm going to get a franchise QB I want his butt protected for the same time frame that he is going to be playing.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:24 PM
let see what Croyle has 1st

Then they better put him on the field shortly because this next draft may be the one where we are in position to take a QB.

I will seriously go nuts if Croyle has never seen the field and they don't take Brohm because "well we have Brodie Croyle and he hasn't played" right now I don't even factor in Croyle because he is unknown I treat it as if he's not good because Huard is ahead of him.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:24 PM
I would rather get my LT first see if Croyle sucks and if he does and he werent that good to be with then grap a QB the next year. If I'm going to get a franchise QB I want his butt protected for the same time frame that he is going to be playing.


The chiefs better find out about croyle this year or they are wasting two years of our time instead of one

cdcox
09-10-2007, 09:24 PM
let see what Croyle has NOW

Fixed your post.

Basileus777
09-10-2007, 09:25 PM
I would rather get my LT first see if Croyle sucks and if he does and he werent that good to be with then grap a QB the next year. If I'm going to get a franchise QB I want his butt protected for the same time frame that he is going to be playing.

How many chances are we going to have at a prospect like Brian Brohm? Not many. You can find good LT prospects much easier late in the first round than franchise qbs.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:25 PM
I think people on this board have this overzealous wet dream thoughts of Oline...

QB>LT.......I also think the Brodie Croyle shit is out of hand too. Does he need to play? Yea but I don't think he's the answer, he's to injury prone I just don't see it. I see Rob Johnson...maybe we can trade him for a high pick like the Jags did with Rob.

Tribal Warfare
09-10-2007, 09:25 PM
Then they better put him on the field shortly because this next draft may be the one where we are in position to take a QB.

I will seriously go nuts if Croyle has never seen the field and they don't take Brohm because "well we have Brodie Croyle and he hasn't played" right now I don't even factor in Croyle because he is unknown I treat it as if he's not good because Huard is ahead of him.


Knowing herm KC will most likely go after a CB in the 1st

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:26 PM
I think people on this board have this overzealous wet dream thoughts of Oline...

QB>LT.......I also think the Brodie Croyle shit is out of hand too. Does he need to play? Yea but I don't think he's the answer, he's to injury prone I just don't see it. I see Rob Johnson...maybe we can trade him for a high pick like the Jags did with Rob.


One way or another, we need to find out about croyle ASAP

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Did you watch the game? I did. He had no chance. Peyton would not have done any better

Yes I watched the game. He was bad. And Rutgers got the ball thrown on them the following few weeks by Cincinnati and West Virginia.

cdcox
09-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Here's him crapping the bed against Rutgers:

13/27, 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Name a HOF QB. I'll pull up a stat line worse than that during their prime.

Logical
09-10-2007, 09:27 PM
LOL you don't get a pick like this drafting 12-18 which you can bet is where we will end up.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:27 PM
If you have friends that are fans of other teams....tell them we don't need Brian Brohm cause we have Brodie Croyle, watch as they laugh their asses off at you.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:28 PM
you're kidding???

Go check out the offenses Rutgers faced last year. They got handled by West Virginia and their backup quarterback. They also got lit up by Cincinnati.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:29 PM
That was just Rutgers night, everything went their way.

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:29 PM
Go check out the offenses Rutgers faced last year. They got absolutely lit up by West Virginia and their backup quarterback. They also got lit up by Cincinnati.

I did look and you need to double check your facts

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:30 PM
Name a HOF QB. I'll pull up a stat line worse than that during their prime.

It was a college game, against one of the few good teams he actually played.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:31 PM
And if 1 game is all you can hang your hat on as why "Brian Brohm isn't that good" I'd say that's pretty damn good that all you have is 1 game.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:32 PM
It was a college game, against one of the few good teams he actually played.

So does he not get credit for when he played well against a team like Miami a few years ago when Miami was good?

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:35 PM
And if 1 game is all you can hang your hat on as why "Brian Brohm isn't that good" I'd say that's pretty damn good that all you have is 1 game.

Because Louisville is playing cupcakes 99% of the time. He'd look much worse playing in the SEC every week.

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:37 PM
So does he not get credit for when he played well against a team like Miami a few years ago when Miami was good?

7 of 12 for 51 yards and an INT?

KC kid
09-10-2007, 09:37 PM
Because Louisville is playing cupcakes 99% of the time. He'd look much worse playing in the SEC every week.

you have no FACTS to base this on. He performed many more times than not agaist the better teams. You don't like facts, do you?

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:37 PM
I actually disagree with a lot of that SEC shit...

The SEC is every bit as much bad offense as it is good defense. Tennessee goes out to Cal and gives up 50 points where was that great defense then? When those teams see real offenses they look like they ain't never seen it before.

The idea that the SEC has all these great defenses is overblown...have you watched those teams play offense? It's not pretty....

HolmeZz
09-10-2007, 09:40 PM
I actually disagree with a lot of that SEC shit...

The SEC is every bit as much bad offense as it is good defense. Tennessee goes out to Cal and gives up 50 points where was that great defense then? When those teams see real offenses they look like they ain't never seen it before.

The idea that the SEC has all these great defenses is overblown...have you watched those teams play offense? It's not pretty....

Tennessee isn't as good defensively as they have been in the past. I wouldn't even hold them up as a traditionally good defensive team. I'm talking about more along the lines of LSU, Florida, Auburn, and 'Bama a year or so ago.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:44 PM
I think some of the defenses are good, but a lot of the offenses are bad or uncreative. LSU's looks good this year just because they are heavily talented compared to everyone elses....

Auburn hired a 3rd rate Pac coach to coach it's offense and went undefeated....

No one would think those defenses were that great if they had to face the caliber of offenses the Pac rolls out there every week.

A team like USC, their defense is tested look at the offenses they face. Cal is far better on offense than anything the SEC rolls out there..hell Oregon is a middle of the pack team in the conference and they're better on offense than anything in the SEC.

cdcox
09-10-2007, 09:47 PM
Kentucky W 59-28 19 31 254 61.3 8.19 38 1 0 1 98.1

Miami (FL) W 31-7 10 14 181 71.4 12.93 56 1 0 2 137.5

11/2 West Virginia W 44-34 19 26 354 73.1 13.62 40 1 0 2 127.9

@Pittsburgh W 48-24 21 29 337 72.4 11.62 75 4 0 0 150.4

Mecca
09-10-2007, 09:49 PM
i don't care what kinda ball you play, offensive, defensive. You better have a damn good QB in the league right now that can lead your team and make plays when you need them.

I just can't believe people are anti QB, we haven't had a QB in what 30 years, I guess some are satisfied with that.

Guru
09-10-2007, 09:59 PM
They should play him and find out but right now Croyle doesn't count because when Huard starts over you....

If Croyle proves nothing and they pass on Brohm for that reason it will be one of the dumbest things in franchise history.

That will be quite a feat actually. Hard to top Blackledge.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 10:01 PM
That will be quite a feat actually. Hard to top Blackledge.

Watch....they'll play Huard all year. Then when the draft comes up they'll have a top 5 pick, trade down to about 22 to pick in the general Chiefs spot...

Then a few hours after it will be announced they traded a 3rd round pick to the Jets for Chad Pennington. And then I'll burn all my Chiefs stuff and give up.

The Bad Guy
09-10-2007, 10:05 PM
If you have friends that are fans of other teams....tell them we don't need Brian Brohm cause we have Brodie Croyle, watch as they laugh their asses off at you.

What is truly hilarious to me is the following...

The Chiefs braintrust can't develop a QB to save their lives. Dick Curl, Herm Edwards and Mike Solari have as much knowledge with grooming QBs as I do with rocket science.

Croyle was no sure-fire prospect coming out. He lasts until the 3rd round. He's injury prone.

Yet, Chiefs fans would have you believing that based on the 4 preseason games they have seen of him, which were complete distasters, that he is the future. They trust 3 guys who I wouldn't trust to coach my Madden NFL football franchise with a QB who isn't a can't miss prospect.

They are so starved to believe in someone young that they will accept Croyle and completely dismiss someone like Brohm, who has a much higher ceiling and more worthy of the praise and trust that Croyle has received.

The Chiefs are more than likely selecting in the top 5. If Brohm isn't the choice, then it's just another indication that Herm, Carl, Solari, and Dick Curl are the complete ****ing tools that they come across as every Sunday.

There is no direction. No reason for hope. Nothing.

I hope Lamar haunts all of them in their sleep.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 10:08 PM
What is truly hilarious to me is the following...

The Chiefs braintrust can't develop a QB to save their lives. Dick Curl, Herm Edwards and Mike Solari have as much knowledge with grooming QBs as I do with rocket science.

Croyle was no sure-fire prospect coming out. He lasts until the 3rd round. He's injury prone.

Yet, Chiefs fans would have you believing that based on the 4 preseason games they have seen of him, which were complete distasters, that he is the future. They trust 3 guys who I wouldn't trust to coach my Madden NFL football franchise with a QB who isn't a can't miss prospect.

They are so starved to believe in someone young that they will accept Croyle and completely dismiss someone like Brohm, who has a much higher ceiling and more worthy of the praise and trust that Croyle has received.

The Chiefs are more than likely selecting in the top 5. If Brohm isn't the choice, then it's just another indication that Herm, Carl, Solari, and Dick Curl are the complete ****ing tools that they come across as every Sunday.

There is no direction. No reason for hope. Nothing.

I hope Lamar haunts all of them in their sleep.

I agree with everything you said 100%...those 3 would likely just ruin Brohm also. He'd be throwing downfield making things happen and Herm would freak out that he was taking to many chances and "we don't need that many points"

God I hate Herm already, that happened fast.

The Bad Guy
09-10-2007, 10:16 PM
I agree with everything you said 100%...those 3 would likely just ruin Brohm also. He'd be throwing downfield making things happen and Herm would freak out that he was taking to many chances and "we don't need that many points"

God I hate Herm already, that happened fast.

Happened for me too overnight.

I was thinking today at work that I think I hate him more than any HC we've had. All his mottos and theories are bullshit. They are 1970's football. I didn't love Vermeil, but hell, at least I felt every Sunday we had some shot. Yesterday, there wasn't one moment after the missed field goal where I thought they would win.

He coaches scared. He doesn't make adjustments. He brings in this shit ass cover 2 when the entire league has caught onto it already. He hires assistants that suck.

Yesterday his gameplan for LJ was awful. LT, Steven Jax and Gore missed basically the entire preseason. You never heard once from their HC's that they would limit touches. But Herm comes out and declares he'll be careful with LJ - and that's exactly what he did. He took him out of the game after 1 carry. It's ****ing maddening.

He wants to go young, but the only young pieces he has are LJ, 2 ends, 2 safeties and Dwayne Bowe.

The team needs a QB, WR, OT, and 2 corners next year. There is no way that they get all of that.

Herm talks all the time about how he's turned the roster over with so many new guys. But those new guys aren't young. You don't start Damon Huard when you want to go young.

I've just really had it. You can only take so much abuse from something you care about before it gets old and tired.

I can't take anymore of Herm. I tried to like him. I had my doubts and defended him on this board. But no more. He's a miserable HC who sugarcoats all his faults, and all the faults around him.

Carl can never think outside his circle of friends to get a real HC that could have saved him in the eyes of Chiefs fans. Carl is like Damon Huard. He will never look totally downfield, he will take the safe checkdown and accept it. Herm was the checkdown.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 10:21 PM
Damn that is basically it. I think this was the first year as the year started I honestly felt like there was no hope at all. I didn't even get mad when they lost because I expected it, any other year I'd have gone apeshit about losing to Houston.

Herm has taken all my hope and flushed it down the toilet, it's just everything you said and more.

MadMax
09-10-2007, 10:30 PM
Damn that is basically it. I think this was the first year as the year started I honestly felt like there was no hope at all. I didn't even get mad when they lost because I expected it, any other year I'd have gone apeshit about losing to Houston.

Herm has taken all my hope and flushed it down the toilet, it's just everything you said and more.


Sad to say, but yes he has :( I was more upset yesterday because of the same ol spinning of the wheels this organization does, which just makes it very hard to have hope for the future.The Puppetmaster has his lil dickbeaters in it too as always.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 10:32 PM
I really think the Chiefs will only win 3 or 4 games this year. Yet there will be people still backing Herm, Peterson and fans who will think we are still a great franchise...

It's like people just are cool with never winning anything anymore.

MadMax
09-10-2007, 10:36 PM
What is truly hilarious to me is the following...

The Chiefs braintrust can't develop a QB to save their lives. Dick Curl, Herm Edwards and Mike Solari have as much knowledge with grooming QBs as I do with rocket science.

Croyle was no sure-fire prospect coming out. He lasts until the 3rd round. He's injury prone.

Yet, Chiefs fans would have you believing that based on the 4 preseason games they have seen of him, which were complete distasters, that he is the future. They trust 3 guys who I wouldn't trust to coach my Madden NFL football franchise with a QB who isn't a can't miss prospect.

They are so starved to believe in someone young that they will accept Croyle and completely dismiss someone like Brohm, who has a much higher ceiling and more worthy of the praise and trust that Croyle has received.

The Chiefs are more than likely selecting in the top 5. If Brohm isn't the choice, then it's just another indication that Herm, Carl, Solari, and Dick Curl are the complete ****ing tools that they come across as every Sunday.

There is no direction. No reason for hope. Nothing.

I hope Lamar haunts all of them in their sleep.



I hear ya but you left out someone else, Lamar is as much to blame as anyone. And now we can only pray his son see's the light and makes changes....I'm not gonna hold my breath

Guru
09-10-2007, 10:40 PM
Watch....they'll play Huard all year. Then when the draft comes up they'll have a top 5 pick, trade down to about 22 to pick in the general Chiefs spot...

Then a few hours after it will be announced they traded a 3rd round pick to the Jets for Chad Pennington. And then I'll burn all my Chiefs stuff and give up.

I would suffer through a crap 0-3 win season if it meant getting rid of HERM and CARL.

Won't happen but the thought is nice.

Mecca
09-10-2007, 10:42 PM
I would suffer through a crap 0-3 win season if it meant getting rid of HERM and CARL.

Won't happen but the thought is nice.

They could go 0-16 and I fully believe they'd both be back next year.

Ari Chi3fs
09-10-2007, 10:42 PM
**** Brian Brohm.

We need a retread QB. Someone marginally mediocre, like Leftwich! He is available.!!!

Mecca
09-10-2007, 10:45 PM
**** Brian Brohm.

We need a retread QB. Someone marginally mediocre, like Leftwich! He is available.!!!

Damn you really are Carl.

pikesome
09-10-2007, 10:51 PM
I finished reading through this thread and I find myself agreeing with Mecca far too much. If Brodie ain't it you take Brohm, no question. If Brodie is it you could take a LT but we aren't going to know because Brodie isn't going to see enough action this year.

Mecca, if you're right and we pass on Brohm without settling the Croyle question...I'm not sure I could craft a sentence that would describe my feelings. It would be long on expletives and short on regular verb, nouns, and adjectives though.

Oh, and I'll hate you for being right. :(

Guru
09-10-2007, 10:51 PM
They could go 0-16 and I fully believe they'd both be back next year.
OH, I have no doubt about that. :shake:

KC kid
09-10-2007, 10:52 PM
Happened for me too overnight.

I was thinking today at work that I think I hate him more than any HC we've had. All his mottos and theories are bullshit. They are 1970's football. I didn't love Vermeil, but hell, at least I felt every Sunday we had some shot. Yesterday, there wasn't one moment after the missed field goal where I thought they would win.

He coaches scared. He doesn't make adjustments. He brings in this shit ass cover 2 when the entire league has caught onto it already. He hires assistants that suck.

Yesterday his gameplan for LJ was awful. LT, Steven Jax and Gore missed basically the entire preseason. You never heard once from their HC's that they would limit touches. But Herm comes out and declares he'll be careful with LJ - and that's exactly what he did. He took him out of the game after 1 carry. It's ****ing maddening.

He wants to go young, but the only young pieces he has are LJ, 2 ends, 2 safeties and Dwayne Bowe.

The team needs a QB, WR, OT, and 2 corners next year. There is no way that they get all of that.

Herm talks all the time about how he's turned the roster over with so many new guys. But those new guys aren't young. You don't start Damon Huard when you want to go young.

I've just really had it. You can only take so much abuse from something you care about before it gets old and tired.

I can't take anymore of Herm. I tried to like him. I had my doubts and defended him on this board. But no more. He's a miserable HC who sugarcoats all his faults, and all the faults around him.

Carl can never think outside his circle of friends to get a real HC that could have saved him in the eyes of Chiefs fans. Carl is like Damon Huard. He will never look totally downfield, he will take the safe checkdown and accept it. Herm was the checkdown.



You nailed it. We need Brohm

greg63
09-10-2007, 11:04 PM
I would suffer through a crap 0-3 win season if it meant getting rid of HERM and CARL.

Won't happen but the thought is nice.


Agreed; Herm Peterson must/should go!

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-11-2007, 12:17 AM
Palmer and Manning types at the top of the draft are the rarest of commodities.

For f*ck's sake, Willie Roaf made Aaron Brooks look like a good NFL quarterback.

Any QB with a reasonably strong arm and decent decision making can do a lot behind a good line.

Trent wasn't the most physically talented, nor did he always make the best decisions, but he had amazing protection, and responed with three straight 4,000 yard seasons.

I'm not saying you shouldn't value a Manning over a Walter Jones, but I guarantee that Jake Long and Baker will have a better draft grade at a position of need than will Brohm.

tk13
09-11-2007, 12:33 AM
I made this argument yesterday, and nobody addressed it. I can see this is one of these arguments that I'm going to make 50 times, nobody will address, just move onto another thread and complain about the same thing, ignoring anything I said.

I wrote it all out in much greater detail... but generally speaking, you look at a lot of recent Super Bowl teams... and they had either 1st round or high 2nd round studs at LT. Zimmerman, Walter Jones, Pace, Odgen, Tarik Glenn. Even John Tait was a 1st round LT pick, although it took him a long time to get there. Meanwhile everybody brings up Matt Light, which came from the same team that drafted their franchise QB in round 6.

Meanwhile, drafts are littered with top 10 QB draft failures like Carr, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, even Leftwich and Manning to some extent. Nobody's yet to give me an example of a top 10 QB raising up the level of poor O-line play. While you can find tons of examples of a good line making a QB play above his abilities. And tons of examples of a QB getting killed because he has no protection.

Personally, if we do draft in the top 10, we should take the best player on our board, that could be Brohm over a LT, the college season has yet to play out. But I wouldn't take a QB over an LT just on principle. Every damn year we hear this guy and that guy as the next "franchise QB". People annoint whoever the best 2/3 guys are franchise guys that are must have... happens every single year. We'll get to 2009, and there'll be 2-3 more guys that will raise their game and be declared the next big thing.

Guru
09-11-2007, 12:36 AM
I made this argument yesterday, and nobody addressed it. I can see this is one of these arguments that I'm going to make 50 times, nobody will address, just move onto another thread and complain about the same thing, ignoring anything I said.

I wrote it all out in much greater detail... but generally speaking, you look at a lot of recent Super Bowl teams... and they had either 1st round or high 2nd round studs at LT. Zimmerman, Walter Jones, Pace, Odgen, Tarik Glenn. Even John Tait was a 1st round LT pick, although it took him a long time to get there. Meanwhile everybody brings up Matt Light, which came from the same team that drafted their franchise QB in round 6.

Meanwhile, drafts are littered with top 10 QB draft failures like Carr, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, even Leftwich and Manning to some extent. Nobody's yet to give me an example of a top 10 QB raising up the level of poor O-line play. While you can find tons of examples of a good line making a QB play above his abilities.

Personally, if we do draft in the top 10, we should take the best player on our board, that could be Brohm over a LT, the college season has yet to play out. But I wouldn't take a QB over an LT just on principle. Every damn year we hear this guy and that guy as the next "franchise QB". People annoint whoever the best 2/3 guys are franchise guys that are must have... happens every single year. We'll get to 2009, and there'll be 2-3 more guys that will raise their game and be declared the next big thing.

Until we get a coach that is willing to actually GROOM a young QB it is probably pointless to discuss.

ChiefsCountry
09-11-2007, 12:38 AM
Look at the Quarterbacks who have been busts in the top 10 - most of them suffered bc they had no line in front of them.

Mecca
09-11-2007, 12:40 AM
I made this argument yesterday, and nobody addressed it. I can see this is one of these arguments that I'm going to make 50 times, nobody will address, just move onto another thread and complain about the same thing, ignoring anything I said.

I wrote it all out in much greater detail... but generally speaking, you look at a lot of recent Super Bowl teams... and they had either 1st round or high 2nd round studs at LT. Zimmerman, Walter Jones, Pace, Odgen, Tarik Glenn. Even John Tait was a 1st round LT pick, although it took him a long time to get there. Meanwhile everybody brings up Matt Light, which came from the same team that drafted their franchise QB in round 6.

Meanwhile, drafts are littered with top 10 QB draft failures like Carr, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, even Leftwich and Manning to some extent. Nobody's yet to give me an example of a top 10 QB raising up the level of poor O-line play. While you can find tons of examples of a good line making a QB play above his abilities. And tons of examples of a QB getting killed because he has no protection.

Personally, if we do draft in the top 10, we should take the best player on our board, that could be Brohm over a LT, the college season has yet to play out. But I wouldn't take a QB over an LT just on principle. Every damn year we hear this guy and that guy as the next "franchise QB". People annoint whoever the best 2/3 guys are franchise guys that are must have... happens every single year. We'll get to 2009, and there'll be 2-3 more guys that will raise their game and be declared the next big thing.

It's a solid point, I think it's much harder to get the QB than the LT to be honest with you. That's why I lean that way, also right now I think the QB play is a bigger issue than the Oline play. They both need upgrades but who is in college that is going to be a better prospect than Brohm is? You have to think about that who are the QB's in the 2 years after him?

tk13
09-11-2007, 12:41 AM
Well, I haven't given up on Croyle yet. I don't know how you can. I like some of the things I've seen... I don't think he'd be any worse than Grossman. But we obviously don't have the other players and defense around to back that kinda QB play up. But I wouldn't mind drafting an LT and giving Croyle another year.

I've always said that if you're serious about Croyle, it's not just a "this year" thing. He was a 3rd round pick, he's gonna have some growing pains... and it would be a good idea to give him a couple years, and try to build a solid line around him and see what happens. Worst case scenario, he fails and we just have to plug in a new QB behind our solid line. But even if we started Croyle last week, unless he was beyond horrible I don't think you could've given up on him after this season. If he performs decently at all he deserves a 2nd year.

Mecca
09-11-2007, 12:45 AM
I just don't see it with Croyle honestly, like I said from all his college games and preseason I think he's Rob Johnson. The guy with the rocket arm but has no pocket presence and is made of glass.

tk13
09-11-2007, 12:48 AM
It's a solid point, I think it's much harder to get the QB than the LT to be honest with you. That's why I lean that way, also right now I think the QB play is a bigger issue than the Oline play. They both need upgrades but who is in college that is going to be a better prospect than Brohm is? You have to think about that who are the QB's in the 2 years after him?
Well, I'll agree with this. If you truly think Brohm is the next Manning or Palmer, you definitely take him over any lineman. I'd agree with that for sure.

Mecca
09-11-2007, 12:55 AM
Brohm is probably going to be the best QB prospect of the next 3 years, people may rail on him and say he isn't that good but I'm not seeing anyone else coming along that is better...

You have to think about that when saying we shouldn't take him when QB is a position we need.

CoMoChief
09-11-2007, 01:40 AM
ATL will only win 3 games this season. If they have the top pick, Petrino will not pass up on his QB from Louisville with the whole Vick situation.

huskerdooz
09-11-2007, 02:44 AM
Damn that is basically it. I think this was the first year as the year started I honestly felt like there was no hope at all. I didn't even get mad when they lost because I expected it, any other year I'd have gone apeshit about losing to Houston.

Herm has taken all my hope and flushed it down the toilet, it's just everything you said and more.

I'll tell you how bad it is for me. I have more hope for the Royals then I do the Chiefs.

CHENZ A!
09-11-2007, 02:55 AM
F*CK BROHM IN HIS STUPID ASS

MEDLOCK AN HIM ARE HAVIN STUPID ASS LEFT FOOT THROWIN BABIES OUT THEIR ASSES ALL DAY LONG