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svuba
09-11-2007, 01:33 PM
This is some really good coverage for the Chiefs:

"If there was a Week 1 antithesis to the Midas touch exhibited by the New England Patriots, it was the pitiful performance of the Kansas City Chiefs, who saw their personnel decision-making exposed on multiple fronts in a galling 20-3 loss at Houston."

"The upshot of all the Chiefs' problems is that they look like they haven't had a coherent plan in place."



Bungled Moves (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/09/11/chiefs/index.html)

At least this gets it out in the open...We Suck.



CP gets called out:

"Carl Peterson has survived in the job on a track record of success that was mostly forged years ago, and thanks to the loyalty and patience of Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt, who died last year. But K.C. hasn't won a playoff game since 1993 (0-5 in the postseason in that span), and that 13-season drought is the league's third longest."

BigChiefFan
09-11-2007, 01:37 PM
I'm glad Carl's taking some heat-he should.

Donger
09-11-2007, 01:38 PM
If there was a Week 1 antithesis to the Midas touch exhibited by the New England Patriots, it was the pitiful performance of the Kansas City Chiefs, who saw their personnel decision-making exposed on multiple fronts in a galling 20-3 loss at Houston.

The Chiefs lost about every way you can lose on Sunday. First to the Texans on the scoreboard, and just as tellingly, in terms of how almost every key move they've made over the course of the past six months quickly backfired.

To wit:

Kansas City decided that return man Dante Hall had out-lived his usefulness and traded him to St. Louis this offseason. His replacement, Eddie Drummond, muffed a punt early in the second quarter against the Texans, leading to Houston's first points.

The Chiefs had seen enough of kicker Lawrence Tynes after his sub-par 2006, and traded him to the Giants in May, after drafting kicker Justin Medlock out of UCLA in the fifth round. Medlock shanked a 30-yard field goal try on Kansas City's first possession, when the game was still scoreless. The Chiefs on Monday released Medlock, who had endured a shaky preseason, and signed ex-Packers kicker Dave Rayner.

Kansas City drafted LSU receiver Dwayne Bowe with the 23rd pick in the first round, and he was immediately thrust into a larger than expected role in when No. 1 receiver Eddie Kennison injured his hamstring on the Chiefs' first play from scrimmage. Bowe wound up with three catches for 42 yards, but by some accounts had just as many drops in his ragged NFL debut.

And then there's the Chiefs' muddled quarterback situation, which they have mishandled at every step of the way. Kansas City wanted to turn the page from the Trent Green era, but did so messily. Brodie Croyle proved he wasn't ready for the starting job that coach Herman Edwards was trying to hand him, and the team was forced to turn back to veteran Damon Huard, who was their best win-now option all along.

Having verbally committed to Croyle as their future, the Chiefs passed on Byron Leftwich when Jacksonville released him, and instead claimed rookie Tyler Thigpen when Minnesota tried to slip the seventh-rounder through waivers. Huard wasn't the reason K.C. lost at Houston (he was 22 of 33 for 168 yards and two interceptions), but the confusion that the Chiefs have undergone at the game's most pivotal position can't be helpful to his game.

The news doesn't figure to get any better this week for Kansas City, which takes its anemic offense into Chicago on Sunday. The Bears vaunted defense stoned the potent Chargers attack for three quarters in Week 1, leaving you to wonder if the Chiefs will even match their three-point, first-game showing. A home date against Minnesota, which limited Atlanta to just a field goal, and a trip to San Diego round out Kansas City's challenging September schedule.

It doesn't take much imagination to forsee the possibility of an 0-4 start for the Chiefs, and that's going to put the architect of Kansas City's offseason personnel moves squarely in the line of fire. Longtime K.C. general manager Carl Peterson has survived in the job on a track record of success that was mostly forged years ago, and thanks to the loyalty and patience of Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt, who died last year. But K.C. hasn't won a playoff game since 1993 (0-5 in the postseason in that span), and that 13-season drought is the league's third longest.

The upshot of all the Chiefs' problems is that they look like they haven't had a coherent plan in place. They let their roster get a bit old, and rightfully wanted to infuse some much-needed youth in key spots. But there's never a time when a team's fan base will entirely accept a youth movement, and surrender any hopes of winning now. Kansas City has been ham-handed in its attempts to address both desires, and may wind up accomplishing neither. At least not in 2007, which bears the early markings of a season that was lost almost before it began.

StcChief
09-11-2007, 01:44 PM
does Clark have the balls to fire him when mid seaon rolls around and we are 1 or 2 Ws maybe

Demonpenz
09-11-2007, 01:46 PM
I hope bowe plays better next week. I wanted a tackle because i feel you have to win the trenches first but when we picked bowe, saw enough to know he catches with his body which is a bad thing to do in the nfl hopefully he does suck next week

boogblaster
09-11-2007, 01:47 PM
Probably not, us fans still pay to watch his circus....

siberian khatru
09-11-2007, 01:48 PM
The upshot of all the Chiefs' problems is that they look like they haven't had a coherent plan in place. They let their roster get a bit old, and rightfully wanted to infuse some much-needed youth in key spots. But there's never a time when a team's fan base will entirely accept a youth movement, and surrender any hopes of winning now. Kansas City has been ham-handed in its attempts to address both desires, and may wind up accomplishing neither. At least not in 2007, which bears the early markings of a season that was lost almost before it began.

Spot-on.

BigChiefFan
09-11-2007, 01:48 PM
Banks is stating the obvious.

stumppy
09-11-2007, 01:50 PM
Banks is stating the obvious.

I think he's just letting everybody know.

KCChiefsFan88
09-11-2007, 02:06 PM
I'm surprised this writer doesn't question Carl's deeper motives in getting rid of guys like Trent Green and Dante Hall without having anyone to replace them with.

Of course the real motive is Carl's jealousy of these guys being Vermeil's players whose success in KC can be attributed to Vermeil.

Carl's jealousy was behind one of the worst offseasons in franchise history... an offseason that saw the Chiefs get rid of their second best QB in franchise history and one of their best special teams players in franchise history without having ANYTHING to replace them with.

KCChiefsFan88
09-11-2007, 02:12 PM
Banks is stating the obvious.

Not obvious to a bunch of delusional homers on this message board apparently.

Everything Banks is pointing out in this article are things people like myself have been harping on all offseason and preseason. Yet people like me were labeled "chicken littles" by the homers/Carl apologists on this message board.

Funny how those people are quiet now.

BigChiefFan
09-11-2007, 02:17 PM
I just hope ownership wakes up.

ChiefsFan4Life
09-11-2007, 02:18 PM
Excellent article

Sums us up perfectly

hawkchief
09-11-2007, 02:24 PM
I just hope ownership wakes up.

At this point I think it's fair to say that "ownership" is officially Rip Van Winkle. They've had 18 years of Peterson's bullshit and refuse to do anything about it and bring a fresh approach.

I, for one, hope they get stung hard right where it hurts the most - in their pocketbook. I'll take a few blackouts if that's what it takes to send Clark a message that we are tired of being held hostage to Peterson and his pathetic, tired circus act.

CupidStunt
09-11-2007, 02:26 PM
Carl's jealousy was behind one of the worst offseasons in franchise history... an offseason that saw the Chiefs get rid of their second best QB in franchise history and one of their best special teams players in franchise history without having ANYTHING to replace them with.

You're an idiot and the typical Chiefs fan.

We sucked at QB and at KR, but because there wasn't a GUARANTEED better option at either spot, you'd prefer we keep the shit anyway.

BigChiefFan
09-11-2007, 02:26 PM
I'll wear a paperbag at the Minnesota game if it helps bring some heat on this ass-clown.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-11-2007, 02:28 PM
I don't think Carl jettisoned Trent because he was jealous of DV. Carl jettisoned Trent because Herm was jealous of DV and didn't want Trent around as a reminder of our former offensive competence.

beach tribe
09-11-2007, 02:28 PM
I'm surprised this writer doesn't question Carl's deeper motives in getting rid of guys like Trent Green and Dante Hall without having anyone to replace them with.

Of course the real motive is Carl's jealousy of these guys being Vermeil's players whose success in KC can be attributed to Vermeil.

Carl's jealousy was behind one of the worst offseasons in franchise history... an offseason that saw the Chiefs get rid of their second best QB in franchise history and one of their best special teams players in franchise history without having ANYTHING to replace them with.
I'm no fan of Carl, but this post is silly.

beach tribe
09-11-2007, 02:30 PM
I don't think Carl jettisoned Trent because he was jealous of DV. Carl jettisoned Trent because Herm was jealous of DV and didn't want Trent around as a reminder of our former offensive competence.
This could be closer to the truth.

Basileus777
09-11-2007, 02:32 PM
Huard wasn't the reason K.C. lost at Houston (he was 22 of 33 for 168 yards and two interceptions),

Completion % is the most overrated stat in the NFL. Those are terrible numbers, but because Huard completed 22 passes this guy thinks he played well.

Chiefnj2
09-11-2007, 02:33 PM
A good number of people supported each and every move that Banks complains about. Hall sucked and was good for negative yardage, Green sucked, Tynes sucked ...

BigChiefFan
09-11-2007, 02:38 PM
A good number of people supported each and every move that Banks complains about. Hall sucked and was good for negative yardage, Green sucked, Tynes sucked ...I was all for the moves, if we were actually going with a youth movement, but Carl wouldn't allow the young guys to actually take their lumps, evidenced by the Medlock move.

Fish
09-11-2007, 02:45 PM
I don't think Carl jettisoned Trent because he was jealous of DV. Carl jettisoned Trent because Herm was jealous of DV and didn't want Trent around as a reminder of our former offensive competence.

Jeezuz.... you guys are determined to turn this in to a conspiracy laden soap opera....

Zouk
09-11-2007, 03:15 PM
Terrible article. Knee-jerk conventional wisdom typical of the sports media and especially typical of Don Banks.

The Chiefs let go the following players this offseason: Trent Green, Dee Brown, Ronnie Cruz, Dante Hall, Rod Gardner, Jordan Black, Ryan Sims, Kawika Mitchell, Rich Scanlon, Lenny Walls, Sammy Knight, Kendall Gammon, and Laurence Tynes.

They brought in the following players: Kolby Smith, Dwayne Bowe, Eddie Drummond, Damion McIntosh, Turk McBride, Tank Tyler, Alfonso Boone, Donnie Edwards, Napoleon Harris, Jon McGraw, JP Darche, and Dave Rayner.

They benched Kendrell Bell and Greg Wesley. They promoted Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page.

All these moves were applauded by most of the posters on this board as they happened.

dtebbe
09-11-2007, 03:16 PM
I don't think Carl jettisoned Trent because he was jealous of DV. Carl jettisoned Trent because Herm was jealous of DV and didn't want Trent around as a reminder of our former offensive competence.

I guess the fact that Trent is old and played like crap after he came back last year had nothing to do with it? I think he was supposed to make like $10 mil this year, and was refusing to re-do his deal. I like Trent and all, but no way in hell he's a $10m QB.

DT

BigChiefFan
09-11-2007, 03:21 PM
Terrible article. Knee-jerk conventional wisdom typical of the sports media and especially typical of Don Banks.

The Chiefs let go the following players this offseason: Trent Green, Dee Brown, Ronnie Cruz, Dante Hall, Rod Gardner, Jordan Black, Ryan Sims, Kawika Mitchell, Rich Scanlon, Lenny Walls, Sammy Knight, Kendall Gammon, and Laurence Tynes.

They brought in the following players: Kolby Smith, Dwayne Bowe, Damion McIntosh, Turk McBride, Tank Tyler, Alfonso Boone, Donnie Edwards, Napoleon Harris, Jon McGraw, JP Darche, and Dave Rayner.

They benched Kendrell Bell and Greg Wesley. They promoted Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page.

All these moves were applauded by most of the posters on this board as they happened.
Where's the youth movement? Besides Bowe, there isn't another rookie starter. That isn't a youth movement. That's a band-aid.

Mecca
09-11-2007, 03:31 PM
I don't think Carl jettisoned Trent because he was jealous of DV. Carl jettisoned Trent because Herm was jealous of DV and didn't want Trent around as a reminder of our former offensive competence.

I kind of agree with this, I think a big reason they got rid of him is he was a vet that wasn't cool with what Herm thought offense should be and would speak up about it. Herm didn't want the other players listening to him because god damn we don't play arena ball here.

beach tribe
09-11-2007, 03:31 PM
I guess the fact that Trent is old and played like crap after he came back last year had nothing to do with it? I think he was supposed to make like $10 mil this year, and was refusing to re-do his deal. I like Trent and all, but no way in hell he's a $10m QB.

DT
Good point.

Spott
09-11-2007, 03:34 PM
Damn, we passed on Leftwich and signed Tyler Thigpen? Carl is a Tool. I'm glad that I don't spend a single dime of my money on the Chiefs.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 03:43 PM
Completion % is the most overrated stat in the NFL. Those are terrible numbers, but because Huard completed 22 passes this guy thinks he played well.

One needs to look at BOTH his completion percentage AND his total yards.

33 attempts for 168 yards is PATHETIC, and it tells you EXACTLY why his completion percentage was high - because everything was short and safe.

Mecca
09-11-2007, 03:45 PM
Herm ball baby, that's why he loves Chad Pennington. He has to throw those because he has no arm.

Thig Lyfe
09-11-2007, 04:04 PM
Kansas City decided that return man Dante Hall had out-lived his usefulness and traded him to St. Louis this offseason. His replacement, Eddie Drummond, muffed a punt early in the second quarter against the Texans, leading to Houston's first points.


Not to mention Dante had an 80+ yard return in his debut as a Ram.

TEX
09-11-2007, 04:16 PM
I kind of agree with this, I think a big reason they got rid of him is he was a vet that wasn't cool with what Herm thought offense should be and would speak up about it. Herm didn't want the other players listening to him because god damn we don't play arena ball here.

Yep. And that's the same reason why other of DV's guys are all gone as well.

BTW I LOVED Hall's punt return! ROFL

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 04:23 PM
Not to mention Dante had an 80+ yard return in his debut as a Ram.

It doesn't change the fact that he just flat-out WAS NOT GOOD for the last 2 years here in KC...

Dante needed a change of scenery, things were stale here for him.

Chiefnj2
09-11-2007, 04:24 PM
It doesn't change the fact that he just flat-out WAS NOT GOOD for the last 2 years here in KC...

Dante needed a change of scenery, things were stale here for him.
What was stale was the blocking.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 04:31 PM
What was stale was the blocking.

No question.

Which is all the more reason not to RUN BACKWARDS.

shaneo69
09-11-2007, 04:55 PM
I don't think I've ever seen the national media rip Peterson like this before, nor bring up his recent record of ineptness.

I wonder if the national spotlight from Hard Knocks has caused the national media to take a closer look.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 05:00 PM
I don't think I've ever seen the national media rip Peterson like this before, nor bring up his recent record of ineptness.

I wonder if the national spotlight from Hard Knocks has caused the national media to take a closer look.

Is it safe to hope that you're right?

It seems like lately all the Chiefs have done is snuff out hope...

Mecca
09-11-2007, 05:02 PM
Well if they get trounced by Chicago then come home and lose to Minnesota......they may get even more attention for how bad they are.

GoHuge
09-11-2007, 05:05 PM
I for one wouldn't mind sitting through a few black outs to see Carl get canned. It was the first game, but if the season continues on its current path Clark Hunt will look like a chump if he keeps him around.

Ari Chi3fs
09-11-2007, 05:08 PM
**** you Carl.

BigMeatballDave
09-11-2007, 05:17 PM
I'm surprised this writer doesn't question Carl's deeper motives in getting rid of guys like Trent Green and Dante Hall without having anyone to replace them with.

Jesus. You're a waste of oxygen...
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