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Donger
09-11-2007, 03:44 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/09/11/herm_edwards_press_conference__911/

HERM EDWARDS: “David Rayner we signed as a kicker. He’s a kid out of Michigan State and was with Indianapolis in ‘05. Most of his kicks were kickoffs and he went to Green Bay last year and then this year was beat out by a draft pick.

“Right now, [Justin] Medlock is going to be put on the practice squad. We just felt at this point and time due to the fact that we are very marginal and don’t have any room for error or are not getting points, we had to go in this direction. We still have high regard for Medlock, a kid we drafted. He’s been good in practice and good in pre-game but has been a .500 kicker during the game. We decided to go with this change this week and we’ll see where we’re at.

“Obviously, [Rayner] has kicked in Soldier Field. He’s a weather guy; he’s played in bad weather. He’s played outdoors. He came in here for a workout when we had about ten hundred kickers here [last week].

“[Bobby] Sippio is going to be moved up to the active roster. He will be active this week due to Eddie Kennison’s injury. We had to do some adjustments. He’s going back to Chicago where he played in the Arena League. It’s kind of good for him.

“He’s a guy that we liked in the pre-season. We got him in the Rams game and he did some good things. He’s been good practicing and is excited about his opportunity. He’s worked for it and now he’s going to get a chance.

“The Bears I know because I know the coach pretty well. I rode with him night every night [in Tampa] going home for five years. He’s built that team a little bit like the model we had in Tampa. They built it through defense. When you watched them play last year they took the ball away 44 times – a third of their points were set up by the defensive football team.

“They’ve drafted well defensively. Seven of their starters were draft picks, two were trades and one by waiver. They’re about [an average of] 26 years old on defense. They’re young. They play defense; they have a mindset to play defense to set the game up for their offense. That’s how they play. They give the offense a short field. They don’t allow you a lot of points. They’re very active as far as running to the ball. They’re not very complicated.

“They have an identity. They know what they want to do defensively. They know they play well on special team. On offense they pound the ball at you and by play-action.

“Their defense keeps them in the game because they keep the scores down. Last week what happened is they played a heck of a football team in San Diego. If you watched the game it was a heck of a tough football game – a rock ‘em-sock ‘em-hit ‘em-in-the face football game for the first half. Chicago did what we did. They turned the ball over-four times. Out of those four times it was 14 points and that was the game. They gave up 14 points on turnovers. That was basically the game. San Diego ended up possessing the ball 37 minutes and Chicago only had it 22 [minutes].

“If you look at the stats, on offense they had about the same amount of offense we had last week. San Diego has a very good defense. They’re 0-1 and defending Super Bowl participants. They’re playing at home – they play well at home – and their fans will be excited. We’ve got our hands full.

“You can’t turn the ball over. You can’t turn the ball over. It could be a kicking game. You never know, especially if we can play defense.”

Q: Hindsight is 20/20, but should you have brought in a kicker in training camp to create some competition?

EDWARDS: “People always say that and I’ve done it a couple of ways. The thing you run into right away it’s OK if they’re both right-footed, but the problem you run into is when you get a left-footed kicker. Then all of sudden you get a right footed kicker and all of a sudden the holder’s splitting time with the left footed and right footed kicker. The problem is our holder is new. He only started holding two years ago and he was just getting used to holding for a right footed kicker. Now he had to switch back.

“Here’s the thing you know about kickers: if it doesn’t work out, there’s always another kicker out there. A lot of kickers who come in and make an impact the first time they come into the league are rare. We drafted a kid in New York from Ohio State and he struggled early and then he got going. Some kickers struggle and you don’t why or how or when. Sometimes you can live through it and sometimes you can’t.

“I just think at this point we haven’t been very productive on offense and haven’t scored a lot of points. We wanted this kid to be our kicker and we gave him every opportunity, every chance to kick the ball. Now, we didn’t get into position a lot in the pre-season to kick kicks. But when you look at everything this kid went through in college when you look at his ranking, he was the best as far as percentage to any other kicker. He was there in the fifth round and we drafted him and it hasn’t worked out yet. But I think this kid will kick in the league.”

Q: What was the difference between him and Crosby, the kid in Green Bay from Colorado [University]?

EDWARDS: “Percentage. He was 88 percent and Crosby was 70-something. He was the best last year in college football. You look at the numbers, at the kicks. You have to pick. It’s apples or oranges. Their guy has worked out so far for one game. That’s one game. For one game he’s done good. There are 15 games left. Our guy has struggled some, but I think it’s all mental for our guy right now. I really do. Sometimes that happens. Adam Vinatieri went through this. There are a lot of great kickers who have gone through this their rookie years. They find their way out of it and end up being kickers for a long time.”

Q: Was the snap or hold a factor for him?

“We did everything we could do to allow this kid to be successful. It just didn’t work so far for him.”

Q: Offensively, Brian Waters said after the game it was all fundamentals. What do you have to do as a head coach to right the ship and make up for the mistakes?

EDWARDS: “We just have to be focused. There’s only so much you can do as a coach. We had five penalties, one on special teams and four on offense, so it wasn’t like there was a bunch of penalties. There was five, four on offense and they all come at the wrong time as they generally do when you get fouls.

“Dropped balls. We dropped some balls. We dropped some balls and one comes out and they score a touchdown on us, another comes out and they kick a field goal. You can practice all that stuff and talk about it but at the end of the day the players have to go play. It’s on them when they get on the field.

“The great thing about it – and Brian makes a great point – it’s all correctable. It’s not like we have to get a new player here or there. Play the game. You couldn’t have started that game any better for us going on the road. You go on defense and it’s three plays and they’re out. That was the plan - whoever was on the field. Offense it was go on the field and get a drive going. They get a nice drive going: 15 plays on the road and right down the field. We don’t score any points and from there we turn the ball over a couple of times and go three and out and it’s 10-0. But we’re still in the football game.

“The second half we come out and we have the football. We have the football. We fumble it and we’re down 17. Now here we go. You can’t do that especially when you’re playing close to the vest on offense where we’re not making a lot of plays. We’ve got some playmakers that can make plays. They’ve done it in the past and they’ve got to start doing it.”

Q: Was there any time in the game where you thought about opening it up and going down the field?

EDWARDS: “We went down the field. Samie Parker made the big play; Bowe makes the catch down the field. We actually threw the ball 33 times. We only ran it 17. You lose sight of that. You don’t want to get into that game. Now all of a sudden you’re throwing the ball 33 times. That’s not a very good balance because, now all of a sudden, you’re playing into the hands of the defense because you’re going back and throwing the football down the field. We hit one to Samie and tried to come back to it and they changed coverage. Yeah, we want to do that but we’ve got to score points. We’ve got to score touchdowns. Period.”

Q: How did your offensive line play?

EDWARDS: “For the most part they did pretty good. We ran the ball fairly decent early. In the second half we had to pass. In the second half we picked up a couple of stunts a little late, but Damon was protected pretty good. But if you go back 33 times you’re going to get hit a couple of times especially when you know you have to pass.

“This will be a good test for us this week because these guys won’t allow you to run the ball. I think San Diego ran for about 2.1 yards a carry [last week.] They had to go back and throw and they got after the quarterback. But they don’t blitz a lot. They rush four guys. They come off the edges and come off fast. Their linemen get up field. You’ll see it. You’ll have a front seat.”

Q: Are you going to be careful with Larry again or is the game going to dictate how you use him? Do you want him to be fresh in the fourth quarter?

EDWARDS: “He’s got a game under his belt now. He touched the ball 17 times. He had 10 runs and seven catches. We’ve got to run the ball better. We have to run the football as an offense 30 times. He caught the ball which is good and that’s good for him. That’s going in the right direction. But we have to get him some more carries. In the second half we got into the passing game.”

Q: Are you at a point where you are comfortable getting Sippio into the game for a significant amount of time?

EDWARDS: “Well, I don’t know if it’s significant, but I know he needs to get in the game. One thing you should know about me by now is if you’re on that 45 [man roster] you’re going to play. I’m going to get you into the game. If you’re a young player you’re going to play.

“You look at our defense and 18 out of the 21 guys we dressed all played. The young rookie Brackenridge caused a fumble. A free agent runs across the field and hits 80 in the jaw and the ball comes out. We get the ball. Those young guys are going to play; they have to play.”

Q: The book on Sippio is he’s a tad too slow, so how does he make up for that?

EDWARDS: “He has great hands. The thing I’ve learned and I’ve been taught by coaches that the number one thing you have to do as a wide receiver is catch the ball. That’s a true statement and he can catch the ball. He has very strong guy. He’s a very physical guy; he can go inside. He’s a little bit like Bowe; he can go inside and catch the ball. He’s fearless. He’ll get hit and hold onto the football.

“Most of the time in this league most passes are contested. You’re in tight quarters when you have to catch the ball unless the coverage is blown. A quarterback understands that and that’s why a quarterback is always looking for a spot – a little window to throw it in. When he throws it there you have to hold onto it and this is what this kid can do.

“It’ll be interesting to see how he reacts when he gets in the game. He did well in the pre-season. I don’t think it will be too big for him. It’s his personality and the way that he carries himself. He’s over here today studying film with Eddie [Kennison]. You’re talking about a guy that’s from the Arena League. We bring him over here and now he’s up.

“That’s what I talked to all these young players about this week: you’re one play away from being off the practice squad, on the 53 [man roster], maybe on the 45 [man roster] and maybe having to go in the game. So you need to understand you’re just not here for practice, you’re here to learn what we’re trying to do and prepare yourself to go in the football game. See, I will give a young guy an opportunity if they’re mentally ready to play. But they’ve mentally got to know what to do. So, we’ll give him something to do and he’ll be good on special teams. He was good on special teams. He’s going to play and it’ll be fun to watch him play.”

Q: You talk about the Bears having an identity as a defensive team. Are you trying to find your identity?

EDWARDS: “When you look at our defense, six of them are drafted, four of them are free agents, and one is through a trade and we’re about 27 years old. So, we’re getting to that mold of where these guys are at.

“We’ve got a bunch of new guys: six new starters on defense. They’re starting to understand that this is what we want to be, what we want to become. It’s a mindset. [Chicago head coach] Lovie’s [Smith] been there now a couple of years with these guys. They understand that. This is my second year with these guys.

“18 new players on defense since I arrived here. This is our philosophy; they’re starting to understand this is our philosophy, how we’re going to play. You have to get the right guys to understand that. When you do it kind of takes over.

“They’ve got to understand that in our last game you can’t give up a big pass play when the game’s that close. You can’t. You can’t give up one big play. But that’s hard, that’s emotionally and mentally hard because they’re sitting out there every game, saying, ‘you know what, we can’t give up a big play. We can’t allow it.’ And, we’ve got to take the ball away. We took it away two times but that’s not enough. We’ve got to take away three times and we might have to take it away another time and score a touchdown. That has to be the mentality. You have to build that. It just doesn’t come in a year with some players. When you draft them and they’re yours they understand that this how we’re going to do it. The more you get guys like that the more you build that mentality. That’s kind of what happened in Chicago. They built it and where they’re at.”

Q: Were you surprised when your offense had trouble scoring touchdowns?

EDWARDS: “Yeah, because we scored a lot last year. We didn’t score a lot in the playoffs but in the game before that we scored 35 against a pretty good defense in Jacksonville. We moved it. But we were slow offensively last year early. The first game we scored 10 and in the second game we scored the mighty six [points]. We found our way and scored 41 points or something against the 49ers. A lot of it had to do with a lot of players not playing a lot on offense.

“Now we’re going on the road against a pretty good defense that doesn’t give up a lot of points. It could be ugly. But we have to play defense and when we have an opportunity to score we’ve got to score. We will. We’ll get going.

“This will be interesting for us. You better have all your screws tightened up on your helmet when you play this one. This is one of those jaw wrenchers.”

Q: There are obviously some teams around the league on offense and defense that you like better than others. Do you like the identity Chicago has and is it one you would like here?

EDWARDS: “Oh, we’re going to get that here. There is no doubt. The way they play defense? Oh yeah, that’s going to happen. No doubt. There is no doubt that’s going to happen.”

Q: Doesn’t there have to be a balance though?

EDWARDS; “Oh yeah, there has to be a balance. Tony Dungy had the same thing up in Indy: he’s building a defense and he has a great offense. But who are you playing with. Everybody wants all these bells and whistles. They want this and that, like its Christmas. You play with the players you have first of all. From there you find out what they can do well and then you play.

“Would I like to have an offense that scores 30 points a game? I sure would. I would love it.”

Q: But you said that’s Arena football last week?

EDWARDS: “I would like to have an offense that scores 30 points a game but most offenses don’t do that. My goal is if we could score 24 points a game we could win a lot of football games. If you look at all the games and you score 24 points a game you can win a lot of games in this league. I’m not saying that I don’t want to score points because if I can score points do you know what that does? It helps my defense because then my defense can unleash on them. We can knock the quarterback down and take the ball away.

“But the defense has to take the ball away and give your offense a short field. When you look at the games we won last year. When you look at the turnovers this team was 6-1 when we took the ball away one or more times - when we gave them a short field. The San Diego Chargers came in here and we took the ball away three or four times in the first half. We scored points on a short field. The 49ers, we took the ball away three or four times in the first half. They’re down at halftime before they can wake up. We’ve taken the ball away. They can’t catch you.

“But then when we take it away the offense has to score. We took it away twice last week and kicked a field goal. We turned the ball over twice and they scored twice. If you turn the ball over it doesn’t matter how good you are. You’re giving the offense a short field. All offenses are not going to go 80 yards every [series.] That’s why you have to have a good defense, good special teams. We’ve got a good punter. If you can punt the ball down there every time and make them go 80 yards [to score] they’re not going to do it. It’s difficult. That’s how we have to play.

“If we had scored 24 points every game last year do you know what we would be? 14-2.”

Q: I know you’ve got to change but why would you change a successful offense that you’ve had?

EDWARDS: “The last two years it’s been declining. You go back three years it’s been really declining in point totals.

“Here’s the problem: you can’t have an offense that goes out and takes 45 seconds off the clock because you threw three incomplete passes. You can’t do that. You can’t do that. You’re going to kill your defense. That’s the problem. It looks good that you threw a bunch of passes and you go incomplete, incomplete and incomplete, stop the clock, and you put your defense back on the field. By the fourth quarter guess what? If your defense has played 50 plays you’re in trouble. If you played 60 or more you’re in trouble. You can say we scored real fast but then the game becomes real long. It looks like a lot of fun but it ain’t no fun.

“When the weather changes and you go outdoors and you play that way it eventually catches up to you. In November and December when it’s rainy and cold and you can’t throw it all over the yard and your defense never gets tough because it gets worn out because you never run the ball in practice because you try to run.. That’s what I know.”

Q: Your return game has to be on the lookout this week going up against Hestor.

EDWARDS: “Last week the team we played had very good return guys in Jones and Mathis and I thought we covered it very well and I thought the punter punted it well. That was scary and this week these have a very good one who can take it to the house every time he touches the ball. He can change the momentum of the game.”

OnTheWarpath58
09-11-2007, 03:48 PM
Didn't get any farther than this:

“Right now, [Justin] Medlock is going to be put on the practice squad. We just felt at this point and time due to the fact that we are very marginal and don’t have any room for error or are not getting points, we had to go in this direction.

So Rayner can kick 75 yarders? That's exactly what we need, since we cant seem to get the ball over the 50 very often.....


We still have high regard for Medlock, a kid we drafted. He’s been good in practice and good in pre-game but has been a .500 kicker during the game.

Wow, a .500 kicker over ONE GAME?


I've always tried to be fair with Herm, but this is ridiculous. He's basically admitting that we suck, yet Medlock is the scapegoat in a game we lose by 17.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 03:50 PM
“Here’s the problem: you can’t have an offense that goes out and takes 45 seconds off the clock because you threw three incomplete passes. You can’t do that. You can’t do that. You’re going to kill your defense. That’s the problem. It looks good that you threw a bunch of passes and you go incomplete, incomplete and incomplete, stop the clock, and you put your defense back on the field. By the fourth quarter guess what? If your defense has played 50 plays you’re in trouble. If you played 60 or more you’re in trouble. You can say we scored real fast but then the game becomes real long. It looks like a lot of fun but it ain’t no fun.”

Hey Herm, you do realize that 3 incomplete passes produces the EXACT SAME RESULT as 2 runs for 3 yards and a 2-yard completion, right?

FAX
09-11-2007, 03:50 PM
He is so absolutely full of shit it's amazing he can walk.

Who does he think he's fooling?

FAX

BigChiefFan
09-11-2007, 03:51 PM
I couldn't read anymore, either. I like Herm , but his press conferences are usually him talking down to everybody like they don't know football. When will the madness end?

Mecca
09-11-2007, 03:52 PM
I like how he tried to tell people a kicker that no other team wanted is going to be the difference in being bad and being good......

Herm just go away, flush yourself.

Fish
09-11-2007, 03:54 PM
It's like reading a letter from Trump to Rosie.....

FAX
09-11-2007, 03:54 PM
More of the "circus offense" bullcrap as well. As if he thinks no one remembers that our last offense ran the ball very well and ranked extremely high in TOP league wide.

FAX

Baby Lee
09-11-2007, 03:54 PM
We took it away twice last week and kicked a field goal. We turned the ball over twice and they scored twice. If you turn the ball over it doesn’t matter how good you are. You’re giving the offense a short field. All offenses are not going to go 80 yards every [series.] That’s why you have to have a good defense, good special teams. We’ve got a good punter. If you can punt the ball down there every time and make them go 80 yards [to score] they’re not going to do it. It’s difficult. That’s how we have to play.
Any thoughts on whether it occured to Herm that one of the TOs in our favor would made them go 80 yards to score?

Zouk
09-11-2007, 03:55 PM
I like how he tried to tell people a kicker that no other team wanted is going to be the difference in being bad and being good......

Herm just go away, flush yourself.


As opposed to Medlock who was claimed by exactly zero teams even though he has a minimum rookie contract.

Baby Lee
09-11-2007, 03:56 PM
“Here’s the problem: you can’t have an offense that goes out and takes 45 seconds off the clock because you threw three incomplete passes. You can’t do that. You can’t do that. You’re going to kill your defense. That’s the problem. It looks good that you threw a bunch of passes and you go incomplete, incomplete and incomplete, stop the clock, and you put your defense back on the field. By the fourth quarter guess what? If your defense has played 50 plays you’re in trouble. If you played 60 or more you’re in trouble. You can say we scored real fast but then the game becomes real long. It looks like a lot of fun but it ain’t no fun.”

Hey Herm, you do realize that 3 incomplete passes produces the EXACT SAME RESULT as 2 runs for 3 yards and a 2-yard completion, right?
Not in terms of ticking off the game clock. ;)

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 03:57 PM
As opposed to Medlock who was claimed by exactly zero teams even though he has a minimum rookie contract.

A regular season week has already passed and there weren't any major injuries. Most teams have their kicker position set.

Everybody except the Chiefs, who are the only team stupid enough to make a move like this one.

Micjones
09-11-2007, 03:59 PM
Sounds like he must've gotten chewed this past week. He's singing a different tune about what he wants to accomplish offensively.

I hope he really is seeing the light.

Zouk
09-11-2007, 03:59 PM
A regular season week has already passed and there weren't any major injuries. Most teams have their kicker position set.

Everybody except the Chiefs, who are the only team stupid enough to make a move like this one.

Jacksonville preferred John Carney even though he hasn't kicked off in 5 plus years (they signed him today).

Mecca
09-11-2007, 04:00 PM
I think Zouk is related to Herm, he will seriously defend the guy to the end. If you can't see the guy is a total idiot I don't know what to say.

Herm is someone I'd like to have a drink with but he shouldn't be coaching our team.

Zouk
09-11-2007, 04:02 PM
I think Zouk is related to Herm, he will seriously defend the guy to the end. If you can't see the guy is a total idiot I don't know what to say.

Herm is someone I'd like to have a drink with but he shouldn't be coaching our team.


1 playoff appearance and 0-1? We're nowhere near "the end".

And although I will defend Herm, I've never met the man. I'm personally stone cold psyched about the prospect of building a Bears-like team.

the Talking Can
09-11-2007, 04:03 PM
blah blah defense blah blah blah defense blah blah defense blah blah offense is bells and whistles blah blah blah defense defense defense blah blah blah

Micjones
09-11-2007, 04:03 PM
I think Zouk is related to Herm, he will seriously defend the guy to the end. If you can't see the guy is a total idiot I don't know what to say.

Herm is someone I'd like to have a drink with but he shouldn't be coaching our team.

I'd take him as a Defensive Coordinator.

the Talking Can
09-11-2007, 04:03 PM
we didn't try to go downfield, you liar

Mecca
09-11-2007, 04:04 PM
Herm's never been a coordinator before, you are aware of that right? He totally sucks at X's and O's....he's like a motivational speaker and nothing more.

He didn't build "Bears like D's" in his time with the Jets...

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-11-2007, 04:05 PM
I stopped when he said Rayner "is a weather guy".

WTF?? Is he a f*cking meteorologist.

Give me a f*cking break.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 04:05 PM
Jacksonville preferred John Carney even though he hasn't kicked off in 5 plus years (they signed him today).

Good for them. Jacksonville has been pretty good lately at playing the patchwork game the Chiefs play, and they've got the same number of postseason wins to show for it.

Micjones
09-11-2007, 04:07 PM
Herm's never been a coordinator before, you are aware of that right? He totally sucks at X's and O's....he's like a motivational speaker and nothing more.

He's been a position coach in the past.
I think he's capable.

Mecca
09-11-2007, 04:07 PM
The difference in the Jags and us is, their kicker is hurt so Carney will only be there for a couple weeks.

Bill Parcells
09-11-2007, 04:10 PM
Everything is ''we'' when we're losing, and ''I'' when we're winning. interesting. :rolleyes:

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 04:12 PM
Everything is ''we'' when we're losing, and ''I'' when we're winning. interesting. :rolleyes:

Gunther did that to a certain extent.

Only when we were losing, it was because "*I* wasn't involved in [XX facet] of the game".

Extra Point
09-11-2007, 04:20 PM
The reed blew in the wind, bending, not breaking. Yet.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 04:22 PM
Sounds like he must've gotten chewed this past week. He's singing a different tune about what he wants to accomplish offensively.

I hope he really is seeing the light.


Surely you are kidding?! ROFL

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 04:25 PM
I'm personally stone cold psyched about the prospect of building a Bears-like team.

That was the funniest part of the article IMO. I live in Bears territory. It was just a couple years ago they hired our QB coach and signed a couple of our free agents trying to build an offense like the Chiefs.
The Chiefs were the offense model, now we want to be the Bears. LMAO

Mecca
09-11-2007, 04:27 PM
Yea we can be the Bears we just need 2 of the best LB's in the league an an all word Dline that includes Tommie Harris who looks like Warren Sapp in his prime.

TEX
09-11-2007, 04:36 PM
Q: I know you’ve got to change but why would you change a successful offense that you’ve had?

EDWARDS: “The last two years it’s been declining. You go back three years it’s been really declining in point totals.

“Here’s the problem: you can’t have an offense that goes out and takes 45 seconds off the clock because you threw three incomplete passes. You can’t do that. You can’t do that. You’re going to kill your defense. That’s the problem.

ROFL Does this IDIOT realize that our offense was ranked very high in T.O.P.? Does this IDIOT know that we RAN the ball a lot and that set up the pass? Does this IDIOT know that you can kill a defense even more quickly if your offense can't ever move the ball ? My gosh, if it's declining, get the type of players that can run it, fix it, and watch it evolve. Don't FKN change everything! We are where I thought we'd be the second I heard that this moron was going to be our HC. However, I didn't think he could wreck things this quickly. :shake:

Skip Towne
09-11-2007, 04:40 PM
Herm's right. Those circus offenses just score too much.

Fish
09-11-2007, 04:45 PM
ROFL Does this IDIOT realize that our offense was ranked very high in T.O.P.? Does this IDIOT know that we RAN the ball a lot and that set up the pass? Does this IDIOT know that you can kill a defense even more quickly if your offense can't ever move the ball ? My gosh, if it's declining, get the type of players that can run it, fix it, and watch it evolve. Don't FKN change everything! We are where I thought we'd be the second I heard that this moron was going to be our HC. However, I didn't think he could wreck things this quickly. :shake:

So get different players, fix it and watch it evolve, but don't FKN change everything??

Got it.

We demand change, but don't change anything!

DJJasonp
09-11-2007, 04:51 PM
But the defense has to take the ball away and give your offense a short field. When you look at the games we won last year. When you look at the turnovers this team was 6-1 when we took the ball away one or more times - when we gave them a short field. The San Diego Chargers came in here and we took the ball away three or four times in the first half. We scored points on a short field. The 49ers, we took the ball away three or four times in the first half. They’re down at halftime before they can wake up. We’ve taken the ball away. They can’t catch you.

“But then when we take it away the offense has to score. We took it away twice last week and kicked a field goal. We turned the ball over twice and they scored twice. If you turn the ball over it doesn’t matter how good you are. You’re giving the offense a short field. All offenses are not going to go 80 yards every [series.] That’s why you have to have a good defense, good special teams. We’ve got a good punter. If you can punt the ball down there every time and make them go 80 yards [to score] they’re not going to do it. It’s difficult. That’s how we have to play.

This is brutal herm-speak at it's finest....basically, he's saying, "if we dont force 2-3 turnovers a game, we're going to lose" And this reality has just now sunk in that our offense has been humbled to the point that we know we're going to lose if we cant force turnovers or we fall behind by more than 10 points.

You have to have balance...but you have to also be able to throw the ball when necessary.....and I dont mean those 3 yd crossing patterns or 2 yd slants or 1 yard dump-offs to the fullback.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 04:51 PM
Gunther did that to a certain extent.

Only when we were losing, it was because "*I* wasn't involved in [XX facet] of the game".
Herm has reminded me of Gunther when it comes to being the head coach. Main difference, Gunther is slightly smarter.

TEX
09-11-2007, 04:54 PM
Herm has reminded me of Gunther when it comes to being the head coach. Main difference, Gunther is slightly smarter.

:clap: ROFL

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 04:55 PM
So get different players, fix it and watch it evolve, but don't FKN change everything??

Got it.

We demand change, but don't change anything!

Who was demanding change with the offense? Herm changed it for two reasons. He didn't understand it, and his ego demanded it.

TEX
09-11-2007, 05:01 PM
Who was demanding change with the offense? Herm changed it for two reasons. He didn't understand it, and his ego demanded it.

Reason # 2 was the biggest factor IMO.

But you are right in that he didn't understand it. His Jets 27-7 spanking by the Chiefs two years ago on opening day can attest to that. Shoot, he was 0-2 against it while at New York.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 05:11 PM
Reason # 2 was the biggest factor IMO.

Yep.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 05:13 PM
Who was demanding change with the offense? Herm changed it for two reasons. He didn't understand it, and his ego demanded it.

How many times do I have to explain it to you?

The offense REQUIRED change. We did not have the personnel to continue running it as it had been run.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 05:19 PM
How many times do I have to explain it to you?

The offense REQUIRED change. We did not have the personnel to continue running it as it had been run.

It absolutely required change.

It didn't require THIS change.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 05:22 PM
How many times do I have to explain it to you?

The offense REQUIRED change. We did not have the personnel to continue running it as it had been run.

You can do all the ****ing explaining you want. You can buy that shit if you want, he has tried very hard to sell it.
Take a step back and look at it objectively.

A smart decision, would have been to plug in new talent, not scrap the best offense in the league. Granted, he couldn't do it immediately, but he could have done it. Instead, we now have the "laughing stock offense."Think about it.

But of course, it would have never been his offense. It would always be thought of as the DV and AS offense. His ego is larger than his brain.

TEX
09-11-2007, 05:28 PM
How many times do I have to explain it to you?

The offense REQUIRED change. We did not have the personnel to continue running it as it had been run.

How many times do I have to explain it to you? That was the case Herm Year I, but NOT this year. You go get players that FIT the system. You then can infuse new talent into the system and FIX it and/or watch it evolve. What you don't do is JUNK the proven offensive system in favor of becoming one-dimensional the other way.

Did Dungy do that in Indy? No. It helps of course to have a QB like Manning, but the fact remains that when they lost talent, they replaced it. They lose a slot WR, they get another one who can do the same things. They lose a stud LT, they make moves to get another one, , they lose a guard, they get another one (from us), they lose a Pro Bowl RB, they get another one that has the same potential. What Dungy didn't do was junk the offense. Why? Becasue Dungy does not have near the ego as Herm.

Now - go write an article about this so you can read it and maybe understand it.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 05:29 PM
A smart decision, would have been to plug in new talent, not scrap the best offense in the league.

THERE WAS NO NEW TALENT.

And if you were paying attention, you'd notice we run a lot of the same plays we used to run.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 05:31 PM
What Dungy didn't do was junk the offense..

This is just stupid. Dungy didn't need to junk the offense because it was already in it's prime.

Our offense was CRUMBLING when Herm arrived. We TRIED to run the DV offense in Week 1 last year. TRENT GOT KILLED.

TEX
09-11-2007, 05:31 PM
THERE WAS NO NEW TALENT.

And if you were paying attention, you'd notice we run a lot of the same plays we used to run.

You're just hopeless. :shake:

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 05:32 PM
You want to blame someone for the offense? BLAME DICK VERMEIL. He was a complete FAILURE in finding new talent to replace the old guys.

Now Herm is left to fix his mess.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 05:37 PM
THERE WAS NO NEW TALENT.

And if you were paying attention, you'd notice we run a lot of the same plays we used to run.

Yep occasionally, we do. The last two real games are clear evidence. By Herm's own admission he has cut the playbook and simplified it so he can understand it, oops so the players can grasp it quicker.

No new talent? But he is the master of the draft, remember? He has had two drafts. Why no OL draft choice in the 5th this year? No, we are going to need the best ever FG kicker!

I was convinced when he let Terry Shea go what was going to happen, and it did.

Hydrae
09-11-2007, 05:37 PM
How many concussions did Herm have as a player? Are we sure he isn't brain damaged like so many older players are? I sure hope he doesn't go all Andre Waters on us.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 05:42 PM
No new talent? But he is the master of the draft, remember? He has had two drafts. Why no OL draft choice in the 5th this year? No, we are going to need the best ever FG kicker!


The Chiefs have multiple holes. They addressed the OL in free agency.

I'd almost guarantee we draft an OL or two next year.

TEX
09-11-2007, 05:44 PM
This is just stupid. Dungy didn't need to junk the offense because it was already in it's prime.

Our offense was CRUMBLING when Herm arrived. We TRIED to run the DV offense in Week 1 last year. TRENT GOT KILLED.

No, your refusal to see the facts is what's stupid. I just listed the changes they made the past couple of years on offense. (G,RB, WR,TE, LT)

We had the RB and TE on the roster already. We lose the LT and junk the Offense. We get a LT and WR this year but run Offense 101 for dummies. It's the same one we ran in the playoffs last year only the new "wrinkle" is the swing pass to the RB. BRILLIANT!

I agree that the offense needed changes, but NOT this.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 05:47 PM
You want to blame someone for the offense? BLAME DICK VERMEIL. He was a complete FAILURE in finding new talent to replace the old guys.

Now Herm is left to fix his mess.

The only mess Herm needed to fix was the defense, the reason he was hired. Just maybe, the two half witts, Herm and Gunther could collaborate to get it right.

No, Herm found out the offense was bigger than the head coach. Fire Terry Shea, kick the legs out from under Trent.

Herm inherited an offense that was #1, dropped to 16 in his first year and is now last.

You can't put all of that on the loss of Willie Roaf. Who else? Trent Green? Herm wanted his own players period, end of story.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 05:52 PM
Herm inherited an offense that was #1, dropped to 16 in his first year and is now last.

You can't put all of that on the loss of Willie Roaf.

No Roaf
No Richardson
No Welbourn
No Trent

Pretty simple to see what happened.

And yet you will continue to argue otherwise. The offense would have been a DISASTER if they had continued to run it the way it was run against the Bengals.

TEX
09-11-2007, 05:52 PM
You want to blame someone for the offense? BLAME DICK VERMEIL. He was a complete FAILURE in finding new talent to replace the old guys.

Now Herm is left to fix his mess.

The deal is had Herm chosen to do just that he could have. Shoot, we never had real WR's anyway. Our strength was our OL, RB, TE, and scheme. Once he let Shay go this year, our fate was sealed. Herm wants his own players and coaches. Solari will get thrown under the bus after the season, like so many "DV guys" (only he outdates DV) and the circle will be complete.

Why has the man had a MILLION OC's in his time as a HC? :hmmm:

TEX
09-11-2007, 05:56 PM
No Roaf
No Richardson
No Welbourn
No Trent

Pretty simple to see what happened.

And yet you will continue to argue otherwise. The offense would have been a DISASTER if they had continued to run it the way it was run against the Bengals.

Why no Richardson? Over $500K - right? Herm wanted to get younger with Cruz and he's gone and we still don't have a real FB because of that.

Last I checked, Welbourn is back and with an upgrade at LT and a heavy Turly at RT. :hmmm:

What this offense is now is WORSE than a disaster. It's an abomination.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 05:59 PM
What this offense is now is WORSE than a disaster. It's an abomination.

ROFL

We were average last year. After one game this year you want to pronounce them dead...hilarious.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 06:00 PM
Herm wants his own players and coaches. Solari will get thrown under the bus after the season, like so many "DV guys" (only he outdates DV) and the circle will be complete.

This post REEKS of ignorance. ANY HEAD COACH wants his own players and coaches. EVERY HEAD COACH, in fact.

Solari IS one of Herm's guys. They were teammates at San Diego State. I'd wager that as long as Herm is here, Solari will be his OC.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 06:01 PM
No Roaf
No Richardson
No Welbourn
No Trent

Pretty simple to see what happened.

And yet you will continue to argue otherwise. The offense would have been a DISASTER if they had continued to run it the way it was run against the Bengals.

Herm dumbed down and ****ed with this offense when he didn't have too. He should have learned from his friend Tony Dungy. The Colts lose offensive players every year and don't miss a beat. Heck they are starting a ROOKIE LT to protect Peyton and they started a rookie RB last year and won the SB.

The Chiefs are just stupid that is why they never win

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 06:02 PM
Herm dumbed down and ****ed with this offense when he didn't have too.

Sure he did. It was proven beyond a shadow of doubt on opening day a year ago.

Some fans can't accept change.

DTLB58
09-11-2007, 06:03 PM
You want to blame someone for the offense? BLAME DICK VERMEIL. He was a complete FAILURE in finding new talent to replace the old guys.

Now Herm is left to fix his mess.

I will admit DV did not draft a ton of young talent for the future offense but to blame him for our ineptness now? The only reason our offense was what it was then was because DV and Saunders scheme and aggresive play calling.

Seriously though, Herm would have not seen them as his "type" of player and traded or demoted them anyways, ie. Trent Green.

Herm and Dick's types of players are completely different.

DV did not have this teams future as a high priority. He just wanted to get the D to respectability to win NOW and get us the fans off his back. The problem with that was most of the players they drafted to fix the D didn't work out.

If DV would have been drafting young O players and ignoring the D the fans would have went nuts as we did with the LJ and Kris Wilson picks.

We still have some veteran offensive players left over that DV put in place, that's not the problem. It's the scheme and the type of game Herm wants to call opposed to DV and Saunders. I know it and YOU know it. In fact Herm even addressed it in his presser today.

TEX
09-11-2007, 06:05 PM
ROFL

We were average last year. After one game this year you want to pronounce them dead...hilarious.

We were average after being top tier. That's a BAD thing. Care to make a bet on where we'll finish this year ofensively? I'll bet it's within the bottom 1/4 of the league. When that happens, you'll just flip sides and write something and everything will be fine. You'll probably even call it, "I Saw This Coming."

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 06:05 PM
Yeah, we should have kept Trent Green. DAMN YOU HERM!!

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 06:05 PM
No Roaf
No Richardson
No Welbourn
No Trent

Pretty simple to see what happened.

And yet you will continue to argue otherwise. The offense would have been a DISASTER if they had continued to run it the way it was run against the Bengals.

Richardson leaving was Herm's and Carl's choice, he signed for peanuts with the Vikings.
I don't think the real truth has come out why Roaf retired, but that is just my opinion.
Trent's days were numbered the day he didn't like the play calling. The rest is all just circumstancial. Trent was not going to be the leader of Herm's team, Herm was.
Welbourn, is back.

He still had the rest of the line, Pro bowl TE, LJ, EK, and the rest. So just scrap the entire offense.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 06:06 PM
We were average after being top tier. That's a BAD thing.

Are you seriously under the impression we had the talent to be anything BUT average on offense last year?

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 06:06 PM
Sure he did. It was proven beyond a shadow of doubt on opening day a year ago.

Some fans can't accept change.

So by your and Herm's logic the Colts should have starting going to MartyBall or Smash mouth football since they lost Tarik Glenn?

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 06:07 PM
Yeah, we should have kept Trent Green. DAMN YOU HERM!!

I think we should have since we are starting Huard for Christ sakes.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 06:07 PM
Yeah, we should have kept Trent Green. DAMN YOU HERM!!
You can think of a better option, being totally objective?

TEX
09-11-2007, 06:09 PM
This post REEKS of ignorance. ANY HEAD COACH wants his own players and coaches. EVERY HEAD COACH, in fact.

Solari IS one of Herm's guys. They were teammates at San Diego State. I'd wager that as long as Herm is here, Solari will be his OC.

Why because you say so. You epitomize the "I WRITE THERFORE I'M RIGHT" BULLSH*T.
You're on. What's the wager? Talk about "IGNORANCE" - do you even have a clue as to how many OC's Herm has had while he's been a HC? Once you get your answer, you might want to rethink things a bit. Besides, you flip more than you flop on everything.

DTLB58
09-11-2007, 06:10 PM
Sure he did. It was proven beyond a shadow of doubt on opening day a year ago.

Some fans can't accept change.

I have no problems with change whatsoever. I understand completely that a new coach would want his own guys, philosophy and scheme.

It's that he just wants to go so much the other way and has publicly admitted so.

Why is it that you can't have BOTH a good D and O. Herm's opinions seems to be if your aggresive on offense and score points your automatically gonna be bad on D.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-11-2007, 06:10 PM
It's funny....

Herm's only real claim to fielding any kind of all-world defense are the decisions that he made in crippling his own all-world offense.

I'd have loved to see Herm stroll into the bay and start dismantling the '84 49ers offense, or the Dolphins O' of the same year.

Herm's a f*cking idiot who wanted this team to be about him--hence, the Woody Hayes/Buttsex offense.

Edit...More

Call me crazy, but isn't it generally easier to play D when the offense is one dimensional??

If so, why wouldn't you want a high-scoring offense that forces the other teams to throw. It simplifies the game for your defenders, and puts the other team's QB in peril.

But what does Herm do??

He simplifies our offense, putting our QB in peril, and making us the easiest team in the league to gameplan for.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 06:11 PM
So by your and Herm's logic the Colts should have starting going to MartyBall or Smash mouth football since they lost Tarik Glenn?

The Colts had a suitable replacement in place, not to mention an otherwise intact offense.

Tarik Glenn wasn't the key cog in their offensive attack anyway, Manning was. Glenn was nowhere near as good as Roaf ever was.

TEX
09-11-2007, 06:14 PM
The Colts had a suitable replacement in place, not to mention an otherwise intact offense.

Tarik Glenn wasn't the key cog in their offensive attack anyway, Manning was. Glenn was nowhere near as good as Roaf ever was.

Wow. They did? Where did said "suitable replacemet" that was "in place" come from?

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 06:15 PM
Wow. They did? Where did said "suitable replacemet" that was "in place" come from?

The draft. What's your point?

TEX
09-11-2007, 06:20 PM
The draft. What's your point?

That they expected that he might retire some day (even though it caught them off guard this year) and they went out an got someone for such an occasion. He wasn't just "in place". They made it that way.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 06:21 PM
The Colts had a suitable replacement in place, not to mention an otherwise intact offense.

Tarik Glenn wasn't the key cog in their offensive attack anyway, Manning was. Glenn was nowhere near as good as Roaf ever was.

We had an intact O except for Roaf. Nothing else changed except Roaf and I honestly believe a little bit of Herm was happy when Trent got knocked out cold because then he could scrap this Arena League offense

Mecca
09-11-2007, 06:22 PM
That's because Bill Polian is 100000 times>Carl Peterson.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 06:22 PM
That they expected that he might retire some day (even though it caught them off guard this year) and they went out an got someone for such an occasion. He wasn't just "in place". They made it that way.

Exactly. The Chiefs knew that Roaf was close to retiring yet they did NOTHING to prepare for that possiblity.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 06:25 PM
We had an intact O except for Roaf. Nothing else changed except Roaf and I honestly believe a little bit of Herm was happy when Trent got knocked out cold because then he could scrap this Arena League offense
Bingo!

OnTheWarpath58
09-11-2007, 06:29 PM
We had an intact O except for Roaf. Nothing else changed except Roaf and I honestly believe a little bit of Herm was happy when Trent got knocked out cold because then he could scrap this Arena League offense

Seriously Dirk?

I fully expect this from some of these guys, but not you.

Nothing else changed?

Pro Bowl LT, gone.

Pro Bowl FB, gone

Pro Bowl QB, gone halfway through Week 1.

Pro Bowl G, misses games.

Revolving door at RT.

How can you say nothing changed?

The first 2 are mistakes CARL PETERSON made. Not Herm. CP didn't plan for the future on the OL. And when they did draft OL, it was late. Getting rid of Richardson was another mistake.

Nothing could be done about losing Trent or Waters getting injured.

But to say that the EXACT same offensive personnel from 2005 was handed to Herm in 2006 is flat out WRONG.

banyon
09-11-2007, 06:32 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/09/11/herm_edwards_press_conference__911/

“Their [Bears] defense keeps them in the game because they keep the scores down. Last week what happened is they played a heck of a football team in San Diego. If you watched the game it was a heck of a tough football game – a rock ‘em-sock ‘em-hit ‘em-in-the face football game for the first half. Chicago did what we did. They turned the ball over-four times. Out of those four times it was 14 points and that was the game. They gave up 14 points on turnovers. That was basically the game. San Diego ended up possessing the ball 37 minutes and Chicago only had it 22 [minutes].



:shake: Anyone else think this is wrong too?

TEX
09-11-2007, 06:33 PM
Seriously Dirk?

I fully expect this from some of these guys, but not you.

Nothing else changed?

Pro Bowl LT, gone.

Pro Bowl FB, gone

Pro Bowl QB, gone halfway through Week 1.

Pro Bowl G, misses games.

Revolving door at RT.

How can you say nothing changed?

The first 2 are mistakes CARL PETERSON made. Not Herm. CP didn't plan for the future on the OL. And when they did draft OL, it was late. Getting rid of Richardson was another mistake.

Nothing could be done about losing Trent or Waters getting injured.

But to say that the EXACT same offensive personnel from 2005 was handed to Herm in 2006 is flat out WRONG.

We let our Pro Bowl FB go. Didn't Herm want to get younger there so Carl went with a younger (Cruz) and cheaper replacement?

KChiefsQT
09-11-2007, 06:35 PM
We don't have room for any error?? Is he f*&%ing kidding? Talking about a team that failed to get into the endzone on Sunday... we can't even score a damn touchdown!!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 06:37 PM
We don't have room for any error?? Is he f*&%ing kidding? Talking about a team that failed to get into the endzone on Sunday... we can't even score a damn touchdown!!! ughhhhhhhhhhhh!

No problem, that was just against them Tough Texans. We will get the TD problem cured this week.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 06:45 PM
Seriously Dirk?

I fully expect this from some of these guys, but not you.

Nothing else changed?

Pro Bowl LT, gone.

Pro Bowl FB, gone

Pro Bowl QB, gone halfway through Week 1.

Pro Bowl G, misses games.

Revolving door at RT.

How can you say nothing changed?

The first 2 are mistakes CARL PETERSON made. Not Herm. CP didn't plan for the future on the OL. And when they did draft OL, it was late. Getting rid of Richardson was another mistake.

Nothing could be done about losing Trent or Waters getting injured.

But to say that the EXACT same offensive personnel from 2005 was handed to Herm in 2006 is flat out WRONG.

Seriously.

The only major loss was Roaf. In the NFL every season changes happen and you have to prepare for that. Not having the right personnel is just as much Herm's fault as CP's IMO. He had to know that Jordan Black couldn't hold the LT job if something happened to Roaf but they did nothing.

As far as TRich goes they let him go and because they thought Ronnie Cruz could do the job and he did until he got hurt in Week 5 or so.

Injuries happen every week in the NFL and that doesn't mean you totally scrap your entire offense and go to buttsex football.

Just look at the Colts and the Patriots. Those two teams lose players every year but they don't change what they are doing on offense they just plug in players and make it work.

Why can't we?

Because Herm didn't want the #1 O in the NFL he thinks it is Arena League or circus when it really wasn't.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 06:49 PM
Losing Trent Green wasn't major?

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 06:52 PM
Losing Trent Green wasn't major?

Sure it was but injuries happen gochiefs.

The Eagles didn't totally scrap what they did offensively when McNabb went down they just plug in a QB and make it work.

That is what good teams do.

OnTheWarpath58
09-11-2007, 06:59 PM
Seriously.

The only major loss was Roaf. In the NFL every season changes happen and you have to prepare for that. Not having the right personnel is just as much Herm's fault as CP's IMO. He had to know that Jordan Black couldn't hold the LT job if something happened to Roaf but they did nothing.

As far as TRich goes they let him go and because they thought Ronnie Cruz could do the job and he did until he got hurt in Week 5 or so.

Injuries happen every week in the NFL and that doesn't mean you totally scrap your entire offense and go to buttsex football.

Just look at the Colts and the Patriots. Those two teams lose players every year but they don't change what they are doing on offense they just plug in players and make it work.

Why can't we?

Because Herm didn't want the #1 O in the NFL he thinks it is Arena League or circus when it really wasn't.

You can't turn over an entire roster in 1 year.

Injuries DO happen. The difference is there are some teams out there who have DEPTH on the roster to deal with it.

We didn't, thanks to DV.

Whether you want to hear it or not, had the same things happened to DV in 2005, he wouldn't have sniffed 8 wins. DV was just lucky that it didn;t happen to him. He was playing with fire for YEARS.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 07:01 PM
You can't turn over an entire roster in 1 year.

Injuries DO happen. The difference is there are some teams out there who have DEPTH on the roster to deal with it.

We didn't, thanks to DV.

Whether you want to hear it or not, had the same things happened to DV in 2005, he wouldn't have sniffed 8 wins. DV was just lucky that it didn;t happen to him. He was playing with fire for YEARS.

I pretty much agree with you but Carl is just as much to blame or maybe more.

ChiefsCountry
09-11-2007, 07:03 PM
Sure it was but injuries happen gochiefs.

The Eagles didn't totally scrap what they did offensively when McNabb went down they just plug in a QB and make it work.

That is what good teams do.

When you replace McNabb with Jeff Garcia for the most part you arent downgrading a whole lot, replace Trent Green with Damon Huard and that is a major downgrade.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 07:06 PM
Sure it was but injuries happen gochiefs.

The Eagles didn't totally scrap what they did offensively when McNabb went down they just plug in a QB and make it work.

That is what good teams do.

So the Chiefs were a good team? Because we made it work. WE MADE THE ****IN PLAYOFFS.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 07:07 PM
So the Chiefs were a good team? Because we made it work. WE MADE THE ****IN PLAYOFFS.

Yeah I guess so but the Eagles actually won a playoff game and did score several TD's.

ChiefsCountry
09-11-2007, 07:08 PM
The thing about not having a replacement for Roaf is crazy. Roaf retired at the begining of training camp and if we would have drafted a tackle in the first 3 rounds, everyboyd would have been screaming bloody hell bc we didnt do anything to adress the defense that was piss poor.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 07:14 PM
The thing about not having a replacement for Roaf is crazy. Roaf retired at the begining of training camp and if we would have drafted a tackle in the first 3 rounds, everyboyd would have been screaming bloody hell bc we didnt do anything to adress the defense that was piss poor.

Cmon everyone knew Roaf was on his last legs and was contemplating retirement. It was no secret. They could have planned for the future but they didn't they stuck with I-65 instead.

ChiefsCountry
09-11-2007, 07:17 PM
Cmon everyone knew Roaf was on his last legs and was contemplating retirement. It was no secret. They could have planned for the future but they didn't they stuck with I-65 instead.

Like I said if we had drafted a tackle this place would have went ape shit.

Hydrae
09-11-2007, 07:18 PM
Sure it was but injuries happen gochiefs.

The Eagles didn't totally scrap what they did offensively when McNabb went down they just plug in a QB and make it work.

That is what good teams do.


That's what good COACHES do.

I get so sick of everytime there is a change of coach, they have to change the personnel to fit their system. That is not coaching! A good coach can work with what he is given and designs his system around the strengths on his team.

People have been saying for a long time around here that Gun is only a good coach when he has pro-bowl talent on defense. This is exactly what I am talking about, this is a system coach, not a coach of players. DV couldn't get the job done until he had his QB here. Coaches like Dungy take what they are given and polish it. Coaches like Herm take what they are given and throw it away and try to replace it over time with the "right kind" of guys.

dirk digler
09-11-2007, 07:18 PM
Like I said if we had drafted a tackle this place would have went ape shit.

They could have drafted or signed a FA but they did neither.

Anyway when does CP care what is said on a Chiefs message board?

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 07:19 PM
You can't turn over an entire roster in 1 year.

Injuries DO happen. The difference is there are some teams out there who have DEPTH on the roster to deal with it.

We didn't, thanks to DV.

Whether you want to hear it or not, had the same things happened to DV in 2005, he wouldn't have sniffed 8 wins. DV was just lucky that it didn;t happen to him. He was playing with fire for YEARS.

The DV tenure had many failed draft choices, most of which were on defense. Who was making those recommendations? Greg Robinson, Gunther? I wish I knew the D vs O draft choice percentage during all recent tenures.
Dick wanted veterans on O, and his system was dependent on free agency to perpetuate. However, the failures on defense required those assets to be used on defense. Consequently the cupboard was not stocked on offense.
I know Dick and Carl were finally responsible, but just the way I see it.

Hydrae
09-11-2007, 07:21 PM
When you replace McNabb with Jeff Garcia for the most part you arent downgrading a whole lot, replace Trent Green with Damon Huard and that is a major downgrade.


Once again, that is the failure of the front office. If Huard can not step in and get the job done, what is he doing here? Why was Garcia the backup here?

Heck, does this mean you feel the same way about Feeley or Ty Detmer (or was it Koy?)? Didn't they step in a couple years ago for those very same Eagles and win games?

AZChief
09-11-2007, 07:35 PM
I agree with those who feel the fault rests primarily with Carl and the Personnel Dept. If for no other reason, Herm has his limited time on the job as an excuse.

It was clear to me, and many others on this board, that Dick's high flyin' offense was quickly aging and his drafts were piss poor as evidenced by those who were forced to play...primarily on the weaker, defensive, side of the ball.

When guys like Shields, Roaf, T-Rich moved on we found out we had very little talent behind them. The more I think about Roaf's play the more I'm convinced he was one of the best ever to don and Arrowhead...

Ari Chi3fs
09-11-2007, 07:41 PM
Everyone, its Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. Everything is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

Chiefnj2
09-11-2007, 07:50 PM
Not everything is Herm's fault, but his continued argument about how a high scoring team means you go 3 and out is completely false. DV's teams were tops in TOP, and they were a balanced team as well.

I don't know who made the call on Croyle, but it looks like they screwed the pooch.

MadMax
09-11-2007, 08:54 PM
Yeah I guess so but the Eagles actually won a playoff game and did score several TD's.



What's a touchdown?

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 08:56 PM
What's a touchdown?

Herm's kryptonite.

Count Zarth
09-11-2007, 08:57 PM
Herm's kryptonite.

You've gone off the deep end, my friend. All over a quarterback decision.

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 08:59 PM
You've gone off the deep end, my friend. All over a quarterback decision.

I didn't jump.

Herm pushed me.

the Talking Can
09-11-2007, 09:01 PM
You've gone off the deep end, my friend. All over a quarterback decision.

no doubt, its not like the QB is the most important position on the team or anything....

htismaqe
09-11-2007, 09:10 PM
no doubt, its not like the QB is the most important position on the team or anything....

Well, obviously the QB situation is the only thing I'm upset about.

HemiEd
09-11-2007, 09:15 PM
Well, obviously the QB situation is the only thing I'm upset about.
But of course.




Has it been 24 hours since the Medlock fiasco?

boogblaster
09-11-2007, 10:03 PM
Herm will lead us to the promise-land..Im just not sure what we were promised .....

Toad
09-11-2007, 10:13 PM
Man, if I hear "our problems are correctable" from our coaches again and they don't correct it, I swear I'm gonna kick someone in the nuts...