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Fruit Ninja
09-20-2007, 02:33 PM
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/09/ea_games.html


Gamers Irate Over NFL Madden 2008 Glitches
Bugs make nation's most popular video game "unplayable," fans complain




By Joseph S. Enoch
ConsumerAffairs.Com

September 19, 2007



• Gamers Irate Over NFL Madden 2008 Glitches
• Consumer complaints
NFL Madden 2008, the nation's most popular video game, has so many glitches that consumers are saying the Electronic Arts game is “unplayable.”

“After purchasing a video game produced by EA Sports titled Madden NFL 2008, and playing the game, I came across many problems in the programming which resulted in the inability to continue gameplay,” wrote Paul of Wildomar, Calif.

The game, which is available for almost every game console, freezes, miscalculates statistics and suffers enormous amounts of lag during online play, consumers say. For the Nintendo Wii version of the game, consumers on EA's forums page have listed over 50 glitches.

Although every system including Sony's PSP and PlayStation 2, Microsoft's Xbox, PC and Nintendo's DS appear to have glitches, it is the Nintendo Wii, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 ports of the game that have engendered the most angst.

The Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions, which cost $60, were created by the same studio, said EA spokesman Tyrone Miller. So many of the problems with those versions, are found in both systems.

The major complaint from Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 consumers is that in Franchise mode, when a team drops a player for whatever reason, he does not reenter the game through free agency, but rather, disappears. Over the period of two or three seasons, which amounts to playing about 40 games, the player pool becomes so slim that the mode can no longer continue.

In an e-mail yesterday afternoon, Miller wrote that EA was aware of the problem and that a patch would be available for the PlayStation 3 this morning to fix it. On EA's forums, consumers said that their systems did download the new patch, which in turn, completely froze their consoles.

By 1:20 p.m. all the complaints on EA's forum in regard to the patch's error, were removed.

EA has issued a release warning consumers not to go online with the game and to delete the patch if it has already been downloaded.

Miller said it is OK to get back online now, but that there will be no “fixed” patch available until “maybe another week.”

Xbox 360 consumers can expect a patch later today, he said.

On the Wii, consumers say that in SuperStar mode, kickers only make about a third of their kicks, including extra points, while the computer they play against makes nearly all of them, like in real life. Because of this glitch, consumers say it is almost impossible to win a game.

Wii consumers also say the system frequently freezes and that the game often confuses the system's unique motion controls.

Chris Faylor, a reporter for Shacknews.com, an online gaming publication, said he's not surprised the game has so many errors.

“Word of glitches and problems in the game does not surprise me at all, as its development is constrained by the yearly release schedule and will be pushed out the door when that time comes, regardless of its state,” Faylor said.

He said that while later prints of the game can be fixed, many consumers who own the game now may be stuck with a broken product.

“It's not that uncommon for games to be fixed in later pressings and shipments after their initial release,” Faylor said. “Most companies do this silently -- a minor bug is discovered and resolved before the next batch of manufacturing.”

Sending out downloadable patches is the easiest way for EA to fix the game, but that may not fix everything and will probably only work for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 users, Faylor said.

The PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 have hard drives that can load some of the data and initiate a patch. But because most of the data is still loaded directly from a DVD, it's difficult to patch everything, Faylor said. For the other systems, which do not have hard drives, it is nearly impossible to offer patches. Miller said it's impossible to patch the Wii version.

The other problem is that in order to fix the game through a patch, a user's console must have a broadband Internet connection. Miller said about 80 percent of Xbox 360 owners have a broadband connection.

The only option for consumers, whose systems cannot be patched and for those without broadband Internet, would be if EA would offer consumers an exchange for a later, “fixed” print of the game's DVD.

“A disc exchange is definitely possible,” Faylor said. “It's been done before, but it's costly and time-consuming.”

Electronic Arts offered a disc exchange last year for its NCAA Football game for the PSP and for the 2006 version of Madden, again on the PSP. Miller said the game would spot the ball at wrong points on the field.

“That made the game unplayable,” Miller said.

“What it comes down to, as always, is the relationship between how much of this will actually affect their sales and reputation,” Faylor said.

While consumers have filed complaints with ConsumerAffairs.Com and on message boards, the Better Business Bureau in California's Bay Area, where EA is headquartered, has received 443 complaints in the last 36 months regarding EA, and the company has an “unsatisfactory” rating.

Here's a list of a few of the problems consumers say they've encountered on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 ports:

• Players disappearing from free agent pool in franchise mode
• Connection problems during online play
• Substantial lag during online play
• System freezes
• Changing a player's uniform number changes his age
• Yearly player statistics are greatly inflated, sometimes giving a quarterback 50 or more touchdowns in a year

For the Wii:

• Kickers missing many of their field goal attempts in SuperStar mode
• Regular system freezes
• Connection problems during online play
• Substantial lag during online play
• Offensive players, including quarterbacks, being placed on special teams plays
• Quarterbacks often don't hand off the ball as they are supposed to during running plays
• 'No huddles' occur at random
• “No huddles' result in offsides penalties
• Quarterbacks automatically throwing the ball as soon as it is hiked

Many disgruntled consumers have posted videos of the above glitches, and others, on YouTube. One video shows the ball soaring through the air and then making a 90 degree turn, midair, into the stands.

Miller said consumers should expect some glitches.

“The nature of games is there are always bugs,” he said. “We try to minimize them and make sure they don't interfere with gameplay.”

For those consumers who cannot receive patches, their only defense is to complain, Faylor said.

“Make a big fuss about it,” Faylor advised. “Complain on their forums. E-mail them. Call their customer service department. Companies, especially those as big as EA, have people reading forums and e-mails all over the internet. They are definitely aware of the issue.”

Many consumers say they wish EA would have shipped a working game, even at the expense of extending the deadline.

“I am positive that EA is aware of the issues with their products,” Jonathon of Independence, Mo. wrote to ConsumerAffairs.Com. “But a combination of greed, laziness, and poor product testing results in continually releasing sub-par and beta-like games,”

JBucc
09-20-2007, 02:52 PM
I think the biggest reason Madden has been so bad the last couple of years isn't becasue EA got lazy or is greedy, it's just because the guys that work at EA tiburon or whatever it's called now aren't very good at what they do.

Fishpicker
09-20-2007, 02:54 PM
I've been playing madden 08 on wii... it would be a great game if it worked 100% of the time. the controls are pretty intuitive but every once in a while, it stops working completely. I'll probably update the rosters for 2k5 and just play that. And why not, the madden rosters for 08 aren't up to date. I think EA must finalize the rosters in June.

Pestilence
09-20-2007, 03:23 PM
• Yearly player statistics are greatly inflated, sometimes giving a quarterback 50 or more touchdowns in a year

That's been happening every year. I can remember every season I played.....someone would rush for 2500 yards. I can remember 4 seasons into my franchise and LT had rushed for 3000 yards and 45 touchdowns.

Bearcat
09-20-2007, 03:24 PM
The more I play, the more I'm convinced that NCAA '07 is the best football game available.... and the more I read, the more I'm convinced I'm not going to be buying another one any time soon.

Fishpicker
09-20-2007, 03:41 PM
• Yearly player statistics are greatly inflated, sometimes giving a quarterback 50 or more touchdowns in a year

That's been happening every year. I can remember every season I played.....someone would rush for 2500 yards. I can remember 4 seasons into my franchise and LT had rushed for 3000 yards and 45 touchdowns.
yeppers. my main beef with madden isnt that there are a few bugs. it pisses me off that there are bugs in the game that have been around since the beginning of the last generation of consoles. EA always adds a feature or two but they never address the persistant bugs.

Valiant
09-20-2007, 04:16 PM
That is the only thing I hate about the new consoles.. ****ing companies treating them like computers.. This shit should never happen.. Most companies are getting lazier and lazier each year because of hardware upgrades meaning they dont have to worry about their software and coding being worth a damn..

****ing bullshit, if they would actually force them to write decent code you could have 64+ player games on the 360 and ps3 without lag and lockup..

But no they would rather just release crap and say were sorry or a patch will be coming soon.. I knew there is a reason why I dont buy most games...

Fruit Ninja
09-20-2007, 04:19 PM
Major glitches have happend for years now. Patching is a good thing imo. Companies will still not find alot of the glitches until the fan base plays them. YOu can have testers, but they still wont find all the problems until 50k and up start playing them and dissectiong the game from every angle.

Hell, i could pop in tecmo bowl the original and beat every single person because i know a glitch where its impossible to stop me on offense. All i need to do is make 1 stop on defense and i win everytime.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2007, 06:04 PM
Sounds exactly like last year. Glad to see EA was on the ball.


Madden '07 was unplayable online due to lag, and had a myriad of problems in franchise mode.

Some of my favorites were draft picks that would randomly disappear after you signed them. Really intuitive......

Single studio licensing for sports games is one of the 5 worst things ever to happen to gamers. It's a ****ing debacle.


Stick to NCAA '08

Fruit Ninja
09-20-2007, 06:39 PM
Sounds exactly like last year. Glad to see EA was on the ball.


Madden '07 was unplayable online due to lag, and had a myriad of problems in franchise mode.

Some of my favorites were draft picks that would randomly disappear after you signed them. Really intuitive......

Single studio licensing for sports games is one of the 5 worst things ever to happen to gamers. It's a ****ing debacle.


Stick to NCAA '08
I dont blame EA for the nfl license but i do blame the NFL. EA will not fix shit unless the customers step up and not buy their shitty game, but you got stupid ****ing people who "have" to have their NFL fix. No you dont. I havent in 3 years now. I am ok.

Not much anyone can do though. I accepted the fact that there is no NFL football game out on the market worth getting. Hopefully in a few years there will be. I dont care who makes it other then EA. IT could be 2k, Konami, microsoft studio's.

Rain Man
09-20-2007, 06:50 PM
This game has been more or less unplayable for years. The game simulation is horrific.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2007, 07:03 PM
I dont blame EA for the nfl license but i do blame the NFL. EA will not fix shit unless the customers step up and not buy their shitty game, but you got stupid ****ing people who "have" to have their NFL fix. No you dont. I havent in 3 years now. I am ok.

Not much anyone can do though. I accepted the fact that there is no NFL football game out on the market worth getting. Hopefully in a few years there will be. I dont care who makes it other then EA. IT could be 2k, Konami, microsoft studio's.

EA has been on a drastic decline since their '05 Titles.

MVP '05 is one of the best baseball games of all time
Tiger Woods '05 was probably the best of the T-Woods franchise
Madden '05 is widely regarded as the strongest sequel.

As soon as the next gen consoles came out, their work quality went to absolute ratshit.

Fruit Ninja
09-20-2007, 08:36 PM
EA has been on a drastic decline since their '05 Titles.

MVP '05 is one of the best baseball games of all time
Tiger Woods '05 was probably the best of the T-Woods franchise
Madden '05 is widely regarded as the strongest sequel.

As soon as the next gen consoles came out, their work quality went to absolute ratshit.
EA knows they can be sloppy with their games..

THey have the following licenses locked up. NCAA, NFL and Arena for football. They have Nascar locked up. They have PGA locked up. They have Fifa locked up. For all them titles they know they dont have to put alot of effort into it. What for? there is no competition. On the soccer they do have Winning Eleven, but soccer sells more overseas though.

I cant even imagine the kind of games the gamers would have gotten if EA didnt lock everything up. All it hurt was the gamers. It pisses me off. I want my NFL fix, but guess what/ i am shit out of luck becuase i cant stand Maddens' style of football.

KCChiefsMan
09-20-2007, 10:13 PM
unfortunately I was one of the idiots who bought this game. I knew I was gonna hate it but bought it anyways. Something needs to be done about this crap. 2k games are clearly better and it's not fair to the consumers that that is the only option for a current NFL game

SBK
09-20-2007, 11:10 PM
EA has been on a drastic decline since their '05 Titles.

MVP '05 is one of the best baseball games of all time
Tiger Woods '05 was probably the best of the T-Woods franchise
Madden '05 is widely regarded as the strongest sequel.

As soon as the next gen consoles came out, their work quality went to absolute ratshit.

Is that the one with Vick on the cover? If so, it's the one I'm still playing on my PS2. Haven't bought a new one since.

Pants
09-20-2007, 11:15 PM
I knew I was gonna hate it but bought it anyways.

That sentence defines stupidity.

Guru
09-21-2007, 12:11 AM
I dont blame EA for the nfl license but i do blame the NFL. EA will not fix shit unless the customers step up and not buy their shitty game, but you got stupid ****ing people who "have" to have their NFL fix. No you dont. I havent in 3 years now. I am ok.

Not much anyone can do though. I accepted the fact that there is no NFL football game out on the market worth getting. Hopefully in a few years there will be. I dont care who makes it other then EA. IT could be 2k, Konami, microsoft studio's.
I have never understood paying $60 a year for a roster update.

Generally, I just buy last years football game for 5 bucks. I don't play football online anyways because I suck at it.

Buck
09-21-2007, 12:16 AM
That sucks, I bought Madden 08 the day it came out for the 360 and have got a whopping 3 games into my franchise...

Looks like I've got a lot to look towards.

Fruit Ninja
09-21-2007, 12:52 AM
I have never understood paying $60 a year for a roster update.

Generally, I just buy last years football game for 5 bucks. I don't play football online anyways because I suck at it.
Why i like to play the current updated rosters is because i like to play online. Thats what makes them fun to me. I am not a franchise player.

Guru
09-21-2007, 12:58 AM
Why i like to play the current updated rosters is because i like to play online. Thats what makes them fun to me. I am not a franchise player.
So you have to have the current rosters to play online? That was brilliant of them.

Fruit Ninja
09-21-2007, 03:33 AM
So you have to have the current rosters to play online? That was brilliant of them.
The best competition comes from the current game. I dont play Madden at all. Demo wasnt enough for me to buy it, so i passed, but if i do buy a football game it will be current so i can play the best of the best online.

KCChiefsMan
09-21-2007, 04:15 AM
That sentence defines stupidity.

it's an addiction man, I keep hoping that the next madden will be good and am always disappointed. It's like drinking a lot knowing you'll be hurtin' the next day

Cochise
09-21-2007, 06:17 AM
I used to really like this series. I think this is the first year in a very long time that I haven't had the madden game for some platform.

KcMizzou
09-21-2007, 07:24 AM
I used to really like this series. I think this is the first year in a very long time that I haven't had the madden game for some platform.Same here. All the complaints have scared me away.

Not to mention with each passing year there seems to be less difference in the game. I don't need a $60 roster update.

JBucc
09-21-2007, 07:46 AM
Is that the one with Vick on the cover? If so, it's the one I'm still playing on my PS2. Haven't bought a new one since.Vick is 04. I find it funny when people say this though. If you can look and see that Vick is on the cover, can you not look two inches below it and look at the year?

Lzen
09-21-2007, 08:16 AM
My buds and I play Madden in our own league. We play on PC. Played the 2007 and 2008 seasons and were into the off season activities when the game went screwy. It started with the first 15 day FA period. It would not allow me to advance a day. So I just went back to the main screen and advanced to the draft. Got to the 2nd 15 day FA period and the FAs were nowhere to be found. I tried to skip all the way to the next season but it glitched. Rather than creating a preseason schedule, it just showed the previous Super Bowl outcome. Couldn't go any further.

I spent a day and a half trying to figure out a way to figure out what went wrong. We didn't want to lose our progress up to that point. I had used a utility (to adjust the salary cap) that I got on a Madden gamers site that has been reliable in the past, but I thought maybe it had screwed up the game. As it turned out, that didn't explain why the game still screwed up in the same exact manner on a franchise file that I had saved and stored away prior to ever using the utility. Also, this problem was occurring on 2 different PCs. What ended up fixing the problem was to just uninstall and reinstall the game.

kaplin42
09-21-2007, 12:21 PM
I'm just wondering when they are going to fix the crappy AI. It should mean that when you turn up the difficulty that it = the game cheats more often.

Nightfyre
09-21-2007, 12:39 PM
The article somewhat exaggerates the franchise problem of dropped players in the 360 version. However the CPU bias towards pass offenses vs. run offenses is sickening. I had one franchise where the Eagles just emptied their roster. Literally, no players. It took 2-3 years before I actually had to encounter them. The CPU sims against the empty team without a problem. However, once the player sims against the empty team, it effectively discontinues the franchise, allowing no progression. Sux.

Fishpicker
09-24-2007, 12:43 PM
the CPU bias towards pass offenses vs. run offenses is sickening.

for some reason, the sliders dont do anything... the CPU passes around 70-80% of the time regardless. you're right. that drives me nuts

kaplin42
09-24-2007, 01:40 PM
Anyone find that if the opponets WR runs a route like a curl or something that just has the WR stop, your D. Backs end up stopping and just facing the endzone, and don't move until after the WR catches the ball?

Lzen
09-24-2007, 02:33 PM
If the CPU teams pass too much, why don't you just go in and adjust their coaching strategy to more run vs pass.

Lzen
09-26-2007, 02:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBXOZIRF9Gw&mode=related&search=

This is pretty funny. The dude is straight up.

dirk digler
09-26-2007, 02:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBXOZIRF9Gw&mode=related&search=

This is pretty funny. The dude is straight up.

LMAO

That was pretty funny.

I downloaded Madden for the PC and the damn game locks up half the time or if I play a game in franchise mode after the game it just crashes so you lose your game. No wonder I don't pay for this shit.

The problem is EA. They could care less about the quality of their games and it is pathetic.

I am wanting to get Crysis when it comes out but since EA is the publisher they will probably **** it up.

kaplin42
09-26-2007, 03:09 PM
that was hilarious.

Lzen
09-26-2007, 03:27 PM
LMAO

That was pretty funny.

I downloaded Madden for the PC and the damn game locks up half the time or if I play a game in franchise mode after the game it just crashes so you lose your game. No wonder I don't pay for this shit.

The problem is EA. They could care less about the quality of their games and it is pathetic.

I am wanting to get Crysis when it comes out but since EA is the publisher they will probably **** it up.

Hmm, that's strange. I have Madden 08 on the PC and it doesn't have crash issues. Are you sure the download was from a good, reliable source? I also put the one patch they have already put out on it. Other than my issue with my franchise screwing up in the offseason, it hasn't been real buggy for me as of yet. And as I described in my earlier post, re-installing the game resolved that issue.

But I did look at several of those issues that people posted on youtube. Damn EA and their exclusive rights. :cuss:

allen_kcCard
09-26-2007, 03:33 PM
The inflated stats are worse than I thought. I looked up Huard and it showed that he had 2 touchdown passes in one half. TWO!



Edit, sorry hit return on accident for a premature post.

Lzen
09-27-2007, 07:49 AM
The inflated stats are worse than I thought. I looked up Huard and it showed that he had 2 touchdown passes in one half. TWO!


:LOL: Is that even possible?

shyguyms
10-01-2007, 01:37 AM
i used to love madden, i loved 07
now i just play ncaa 08 it's much better than madden except for neither game calls fasemask
im gonna trade my madden in at gamestop for
$30 not worth having.