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05-30-2001, 02:35 PM
I have noticed alot of discussions on motocross and related stuff...
(If I sound ignorant on this... it is because I am.) My brother-in-law is big into all that...(he is thinking of buying some land and making a track somewhere in the DFW area) and I was wondering if there are any good websites out there and especially are there any good bbs sites? If not I was thinking of setting up a quick site for him to run. Any ideas or feedback?


05-30-2001, 02:46 PM


I just happen to have a thread on there that has all the best motocross sights on the web. Check it out. Also another good sight is is http://www.motodemons.com The forum at the top has alot of pros on it. Good luck and let me know if you start a new one.

06-04-2001, 08:27 AM
Saturday we got a skid loader to the track....added some awesome burms and banked turns...a small double and a 50' triple.....

the triple...which didn't turn out to be such a good idea....the youngest brother tried it...the first attempt landed a little short...arse over tea kettle.....bent handlebars, forks, front wheel, and bent the piece of the frame that keeps the forks out of the radiator....his knee looks pretty nasty...but he'll live.

we blazed some more timber trails and added a pretty cool hill climb...if it ever stops raining here, we'll add some pretty cool stuff out of a creek bed....and ravines...

We're finding that hitting logs hidden under 2' vegetation crashes you for some reason...proof with a handle bar mark in the armpit...ooohhhh, i hate when that happens.

~having fun, but the new hobby is expensive.

06-04-2001, 09:17 AM
i spent all day saturday on the 4wheeler...only problem was i was pulling the lawn mower behind it the whole time.

06-04-2001, 10:56 AM

You guys sound like your pretty freakin good. You sure are lucky to have such an awesome place to ride. I am completely jealous. BTW, did you hear about Travis Pastrana's private track? Our government is completely out of control.

June 1, 2001

Travis Pastrana, at 17, is a sensation in the world of professional motocross racing, known for his gravity-defying jumps performed while airborne on his bike. The teen-ager - who got his first motorcycle at 4 and has broken at least 20 bones - turned professional last year and has been racking up prize money and endorsement fees, expected to top $2 million this year.

But his love for noisy, dirt-eating bikes has caused trouble in his Davidsonville neighborhood in Anne Arundel County.

State and county officials have been investigating what appears to be an illegally built motocross course on property that is partly owned by Travis, and yesterday the county ordered three property owners to stop all work on the site.

The network of dirt trails that cuts through wooded land on the three properties potentially violates state environmental laws governing sediment pollution, erosion, and disturbance of nontidal wetlands and waterways. Penalties include fines from $1,000 to $10,000 per day.

State and county inspectors ordered the landowners to stop all grading activity after they found violations of local and state environmental laws.

The course is punctuated by mountains of dirt, from 3 feet to 30 feet high. The construction of the trails - between Governor Bridge Road and Saint George Barber Road - apparently caused widespread razing of trees, moved tons of earth and disturbed a stream, according to county and state inspectors who became aware of the trails about two weeks ago.

"We're just trying to guess how somebody got a piece of equipment down there to do that work," said John Pea****, chief of environmental programs for Anne Arundel County, who described much of the terrain as steeply sloped.

"The inspectors were just shaking their heads, saying, 'Oh my God, where do we start?'" Pea**** said.

County inspectors said they spoke with two of the property owners - one of them Robert Pastrana, Travis' father, who agreed to cooperate with the county to bring the properties into compliance.

"When you cut down a tree in your back yard, you don't know if you're in violation or not," Robert Pastrana said yesterday. "Did we blatantly know that we were doing things that were illegal? No. Do we know it now? Yes."

The property owners were cited by the county for grading without a permit and proper sediment and erosion controls. Violations of county grading laws carry civil and criminal penalties, including fines of $1,000 a day and up to six months in jail.

Meanwhile, the state Department of the Environment is expected to issue additional citations for disturbing non-tidal wetlands and working in Chandlers Branch, a nearby creek, without proper state permits.

Pea**** said that a portion of BGE's right of way in the area may also have been damaged.

"Our first priority is to get the site under control," John A. Morris, county spokesman, said yesterday. County, and possibly state, inspectors will revisit the site today to assess the damage and develop an interim plan to control erosion, Morris said.

County zoning inspectors and state environmental officials began a joint investigation last month to determine the extent of the environmental damage.

"Part of the property under scrutiny is a 20-acre parcel on Governor Bridge Road, owned by Travis Pastrana and his parents, Robert and Deborah Pastrana of Annapolis. The family is building a $500,000 home on the site and obtained a county grading permit for the work in September. County officials issued a stop-work order on that permit yesterday, but it is expected to be lifted today since the cited violations appear to be outside the permitted work area, Morris said.

County officials said they're working to identify the owners of the land located deeper in the woods, marked by the 7- to 8-foot-wide crisscrossing trails.

"Somebody went in there with a machine and obviously did moving of earth that would have required a county grading permit," Pea**** said.

Robert Pastrana said that Travis has used a small bulldozer to clear trails on his 20 acres, as well as on the former logging trails in the woods where his son has sharpened his motocross skills for the past five years.

"We've worked around the existing trails as much as possible so you don't have branches smacking you in the face," Pastrana said. "It's no different than cutting the grass in front of your house; we're just making a little more room."

Travis Pastrana gained national publicity in September 1999 when he rode his motorbike off a pier and into San Francisco Bay after winning the freestyle gold medal at ESPN's Summer X-Games. After he got his bike out of the water, the city of San Francisco fined him $10,000. The stunt led to appearances on "The Tonight Show" and the "Late Show with David Letterman."

The subject of numerous newspaper and television stories, Travis was featured on a recent ESPN piece riding a bulldozer on his property.

The teen-ager - who competes on the national outdoor Motocross circuit and on the Supercross indoor circuit - used some of his first professional earnings to purchase the 20-acre parcel on Governor Bridge Road, with the intention of building his future home and creating more practice trails, his father said.

According to Robert Pastrana, whose family owns the Annapolis-based concrete contractor Charles A. Pastrana & Sons, the land is part of an approximately 100-acre site that over the years was sold in 20-acre lots to three other landowners who also use the property for biking.

"When Travis was 12, he heard about a person in Davidsonville who had trails and rode down there," he said. "As he made money, then he was able to buy one of the tracts."

"The other people who own them have four-wheelers and dirt bikes and ended up being friends," Pastrana said. "It wasn't like everybody got together and said, 'Let's buy this 100-acre tract.'"

Over the past year, nearby residents have registered several anonymous complaints with county officials about motorbike noise and environmental damage, but they say the racing continues. Sometimes, they say, as many as 20 bikers use the trails on weekends.

Pastrana said the riding that occurs on the trails is mainly family recreation.

"If you can show me a better father-son sport than sitting down on a dirt bike and spending three hours together, then I'd like to see it," he said.

County zoning enforcement officials say they responded to residents' complaints, but the cleared trails were not visible from surrounding properties. Also, they weren't able to gain access to the site because it's posted with no trespassing and keep out signs.

But Pea**** said that the grading permit on the Pastranas' home gives county zoning inspectors access to the property to monitor the preparation of the ground for construction covered under the permit. Pea**** said grading inspectors ventured deeper into the woods last week where they were able to see the trails.

"We were totally unaware that any activity had taken place," he said. "The [anonymous] complaints were so sketchy that we couldn't identify exactly where this could be occurring."

Pastrana attributes the anonymous complaints to residents' anxiety about having a professional motorcycle racer in the neighborhood, a concern he says is unfounded.

"I think everything will quiet down once Travis moves in," he said. "He's been riding back there for five years."

Pastrana said that his son is away from home from June through November, and in the summer he's gone nearly every weekend at motocross events. He said the potential environmental problems may force Travis to move.

"He's not some motocross kid who has no respect for anything," Pastrana said. "They'll probably end up chasing the best athlete Anne Arundel County has ever had out of the county."

Copyright 2001, The Baltimore Sun

06-04-2001, 12:47 PM

The Pastrana thing is complete horse$h!t!!!! sounds like too many friggin "do-gooders" in the neighborhood....the dirtbikes probably drowned out a 1st amendment and "its my body" rally.

we have 120acres of timber around the house and a 4acre patch accross the road alog a creek...it has several old dirtpiles from when the neighbor built a levee 10 years ago....excellent natural jumps....we're slowly adding timber trails....and had to expand the track and add another straight away....when 6-8 of us are going full bore it just isn't quite big enough now...

Obviously we're not that good or we wouldn't crash and tear stuff up so much....and the triple obviously was out of our league or not built quite right....we took it back to a double and built a small double from the 3rd.....I want to "table top" the double so you don't crash if you go short....we have some younger kids that come down and I don't want someone getting hurt...

its probably not a matter of being good...its a "bigger balls than brains" thing at this time....and competative 1upsmanship of brothers that makes us better....

~If you don't scare yourself now and then, you're missing all the fun. :)

06-04-2001, 01:50 PM

The table top idea sounds pretty good. It gets old having to replace parts all the time too. From what I understand on the Pastrana thing there are no trespassing signs all around their property. You can't even see where they are at. That Peacock guy says that they are responding to the neighbors complaints but will not specify who. All of the neighbors are denying that they have complained. This kid is 17 years old and already broken 6 bones including a spinal fracture to aquire the kind of cash he is finally making now. Not only does the government feel justified in taking half of everything that he makes in taxes, they also feel that it is alright to rob him like this as well. It breaks my heart to see what our country is becoming. These guys (government) are worse than the mafia.:mad:

06-04-2001, 02:13 PM
ABC broadcasted a race yesterday from pennsylvania i think...Pastrana crashed in the first moto and finished 13th and was pretty upset....he won the second moto on the last lap, but was mad about his overall placement.....said he was going home to practice for 2 weeks.

~think they'd shut down Tigger's driving range for unsightly and erosion causing divets? They are messing with this kids livelyhood.

we are waiting for the county to complain about our track...we're using the road bank for a couple of turns ;)

06-04-2001, 03:43 PM
I couldn't agree more. I watched that race as well. It was from Mt. Morris. I wish they had shown some of the 125s other than the highlights. Tortelli sure was aggresive. Did you see him just wipeing those guys out? Langston has received alot of critisizm for his aggresive style, especially when he took Bonds out in Hangtown. I was there but missed that wreck as I was at the top of the hill. I am not sure why he catches so much more critisizm than the other riders for those tactics. It seems like motocross has become much more docile compared to the super aggresive riding styles of the past. Hannah, Decoster, Heike ect. HAngtown will be televised this Wednesday on ESPN 2 at 1PM. I am going to record that. Do you preffer Outdoor or Supercross?

06-04-2001, 04:16 PM
Big_Daddy - That article ticks me off! Unfortunitly I can't actually think of anything more eloquent then that, and am actually thinking something less eloquent.

Iowanian - Can't argue with the big balls comment, because I'm pretty sure that it would be damn hard to get me out there to take a jump. Damn cool, thought.

keg in kc
06-04-2001, 04:32 PM
Are there any riders without big balls? You know, bouncing off the seat and all... ;)

06-04-2001, 04:53 PM
Keg - I guess that depends on the person, if whacking your balls into a wall makes yours bigger then more power to ya!

keg in kc
06-04-2001, 04:57 PM
Swelling, morph, swelling...

I've never slammed my balls into anything without "protection" so I don't know much about the subject.

Errrr, by "protection" I'm referring to a cup, not, err, well...

Nevermind ;)

06-04-2001, 05:05 PM
Some of this stuff does take some HUGE BALLS. Every now and then I am reminded that in between myself and Mike Jones there is a number of crazy bastiges. I was looking down this hill (cliff)this weekend wondering how in the hell anyone had ever gone up or down this when this kid comes over on his RM 250 and kind of looks at me and what I am looking at and decides he is going to take it. He slides the bike down this thing sideways until it completely breaks and just drops the bike down the embankment. Unfreakin believable. You mess up doing that you are going to be hurting BIG TIME.

BTW, BIG DADDY felt like a chicken shirt walking away from that, but I did leave in 1 piece.

06-04-2001, 05:11 PM
Keg - LOL! Just had to make sure you were not making comments about banging up against inanimate objects...

Big_Daddy - Sounds like the best move IMHO. It is one thing to do something that your pretty comfortable with, but I'm a big believer in knowing and staying within ones limits. Of course you have rode for many more years then I have, so it is not like I'm trying to give you any advice.

06-05-2001, 08:31 AM

I don't watch many races...only have "Country cable"...no espn2....but I prefer outdoor...There is a track pretty close to where I grew up that we go to once in a while on sundays....now there is a track in winterset IA that some of the bigger boys come to....i plan on zipping over there a time or two this summer..missed one last weekend...

I also am a beleiver in staying within your limits...I do beleive you have to test them though....and I get better every time i ride...I haven't been riding that long.....but we constantly challenge each other......now with the hill climbs and stuff we're adding to our trails...its getting tougher, but we're getting better....stuff that was scary 3 weeks ago doesn't get a thought now.....

I wouldn't think about trying many of the jumps on the supercross tracks....I'm not a complete psycho.

06-05-2001, 12:17 PM
BTW, for those of you not in the know, this is Mike Jones (mad mike) This guy is almost 40 and still gets SICK with it. Notice the spikes on the tires. This was done on ice. Yea baby!! <IMG SRC="http://www.dirtbike.com/freshdirt/BBS/icon_smile_dead.gif"; <IMG SRC="http://expn.go.com/media/020401_madmike_i.jpg";

06-05-2001, 12:18 PM
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06-28-2001, 08:50 AM
big daddy,

Went to the "all iowania" motocross race last sunday in Winterset. It was a pretty good track and they had the full spectrum of classes....50cc, to 250A.....

The 12 year old who won the 80cc did a friggin heal click over his head crossing the big jump at the finish line....winning by a bike lenth....2 12 year olds had the tightest race all day.....and it ended with i heal click....pretty cool from where I was standing.

My brothers and I are thinking about riding a 125 C class next month....from what I saw, don't think we'd win, but wouldn't be last either....

The youngest bro tried a superman 2 weekends ago....landed belly on the seat.....says it will be a while before that happens again....

~waiting for a meeting and bored.

06-28-2001, 11:08 AM

Sounds like a lot of fun. Did you see Southwick on ESPN 2 this week? Man those guys make it hard to see the sport that we love. This last week they replaced the weekend showing for the final rounds of the NHL draft and the week before we got canceled for womens softball? WTF is that? Anyway RC sure is looking strong, this kid really has raised the bar. Some of his accidents are horrific but he always jumps right back up and continues. Langston has impressed the hell out of me as well riding with that seperated shoulder.

06-28-2001, 01:31 PM
I want to hit the track a lot more. I have been doing a lot of hill climbing wich is cool but is never as fun as the track. I really need to work on my jumps before I try and race again though, Of course I would be in the senior citizens division which always makes things a little easier. My godson is terrified of riding the bike I got him and I can't even get him back on it, go figure. (little chickshirt). My girlfreind wanted to try it so I have been taking her out ( kind of funny). I think I will offer to take out one his freinds he is all competetive with. Then he will have to watch his freind ride HIS bike, in HIS clothes, leaving with HIS godfather every weekend. Then he can come back and tell all HIS freinds how cool it was. <IMG SRC="http://www.dirtbike.com/freshdirt/BBS/icon_smile_evil.gif";
Anywho, that superman story was pretty good, hope he is allright. Speaking of jumping, X games is coming up. Do you know if Travis is going to be a badboy again this year and jump? Hope so. Mad Mike should be tough to beat. How old is that guy anyway?

06-28-2001, 01:40 PM
our track was getting a little carried away....3 weekends ago we had like 15 people show up...didn't know a couple of them...and that isn't real cool with my folks.....they were sued by a friend of mine's brother after he took his goggles off in a paintball fight and got shot in the eye....he knew better.......we're trying to slow it down a little.....alot of 4wheelers were showing up....which is ok in the timber trails we're making, but makes our small 4acre track dangerous....some of our jumps are pretty dangerous too...we need to table top them for those that land short...there is no room for error on 2 of them.....

a couple of our younger cousins have been coming down...I'm amazed at how daring they are.....7-8 year olds clearing 20-30' jumps....and one was landing with no hands.....It is a good time to chat with them when we take rest breaks....they'll ask us about stuff they won't talk to their folks about....and we tell them strait..."between the boys" stuff.

I don't have a dish hooked up and don't get too many races and stuff...its rare for me to get to watch...i do have a few mags, but don't keep up much.....I do like that mike jones....and pastrana, and langston....who is the short kid that does the "bicycle"?

06-28-2001, 02:15 PM
You got me. I don't really keep up on the BMX stuff all though I did watch the qualifying rounds for X-Games last night.

Sounds like a great time. I wish I was out there. Be carefull with those people you don't know, everyone seems sue happy these days. Since you race as an amatuer, maybe you an answer a question for me. Is the senior division 30+ or 40+? Are they open class?

06-28-2001, 02:21 PM
The kid I'm talking about is on the "crusty" videos....he hops off the side of the during the jump and "peddles" in the air.....I should look through some websites...the kid is short and in alot of mx mags....

I haven't raced yet.....I'm thinking about running a 125 C class next month...we'll see.....I was thinking the old timers were 40+....they have vintage and old guys...the race I went to had those and 80cc Srs all together in one moto...

I'm thinking about having a waver written up for anyone to sign who rides there....kind of a "I know this is stupid and its my fault if i get hurt, and If I try to Sue Iowanian's folks, he can castrate me" type of thing....

06-28-2001, 02:36 PM
I am not sure who you are reffering to. I see those Crusty tapes all the time but have never actually picked any up. X-Games will be on ESPN2 so you should be able to catch that. Motocross is on ESPN 2 as well. Usually around 1PM EST every Saturday. Gotta get out the old VCR. It is usually on the following Wednesday as well at 10AM EST. The waivers sound like a good idea. Sure wish my godsome had some of the guts those kids that go to your track have. It is really a shame.

06-28-2001, 03:02 PM
I learned something about motorcycle this week.

1) driving on a rear flat feels a little weird and confusing, at least on a sportbike. Kept looking at my front end trying to figure out what was wrong with it.

2) Getting the rear wheel off is cake, and can be done in about 15 minutes.

3) Getting the rear wheel back on by yourself is truly a pain in the butt and can take over an hour, and makes you want to call a dealer to come get the bike back together for you.

The good thing is I found a place that matched the price for the rear tire that I found on the internet and then put it on while I waited. Saved me about $60,

07-16-2001, 04:03 PM

Went to Tahoe this weekend and they built a new track out there called the sandpit. There was a couple young hot shots out there I was talking to that let me know to watch out for some of the corners as they were a little sketchey and whatever I did to watch out for the triple jump as they have had three people in the last week taken out of there, one of them had to be air lifted out. I payed attention in the corners but for some reason did not when it came time for the triple jump. I cased it BIG TIME. Thank god for body armour. I was wearing that jersey armour I was telling you about awhile back. Literally bent the support bar on my handle bars. It is amazing I didn't break my ribs in spite of the body armour. My neck is seriously frucked up too. Do you use your clutch when taking the bigger jumps? I just use throttle and I have heard that you have more control when you use the clutch. Man, i feel like an 80 year old gimp today.


Ready to buy those new Rethal bars now.

07-17-2001, 07:22 AM
sounds like you're lucky. I know it doesn't take much for a crash like that to turn ugly....I've had 2 friends break their necks/backs on stuff like that....neither was paralized though....better be carefull...you're not a rubbermade Kid anymore ;) I haven't bought any body armour yet but need too after the handlebar to the ribs a month ago...It was a long 3 weeks.....I still just use knee pads, boots and plated gloves in the timber.....Be careful.

I haven't ridden for a couple of weeks. I'm falling behind the brothers....the youngest is doing heal clicks, no hand jumps/landing and the other isn't far behind.....I'm just no trick rider yet.

we spent quite a bit of time on the timber trails...added 2 new hill climbs and some tougher stuff...Eventually, we'll be sitting pretty cool.

We've been through 4 sets of handlebars this summer...One bent set of Renthals.....I can't think of the name of the "unbendable" handlbars, but that was the latest purchase....they better be good for $180.

There supposedly is 200acres of new trails in Henry's neighborhood at Lake Rathbun...we'll be trying that out sometime soon.

07-17-2001, 08:23 AM

Would those bars be the Renthal double cores? If so where are you getting them for $180?


Needs a new set now

07-17-2001, 08:56 AM
We've got a buddy who owns a bike shop and he gets us some stuff below cost...the "buddy rate".
It looks to me like the "dealers" are the absolute worst place to buy any parts.

We order alot of our bike parts out of some of the magazines too.....usually alot cheaper....We're all ordering top ends for our bikes this fall...just look through them and find the best prices.

07-17-2001, 12:10 PM

Check out this. I just got turned on to a GREAT sight. Check out the prices here. http://www.dirt-deals.com/myProducts.cfm?CFID=81670&CFTOKEN=66457940&CategoryID=157

The Renthal's Twin Wall bars are only $149. :)

07-17-2001, 12:19 PM

we've had pretty good luck and have saved some money ordering from the mags....and a little from the net....MOST of the stuff has been what we ordered...with exception of my brother ordered new black plastics for his Yamaha and got 2 back fenders instead of the front....and they haven't sent the replacement yet in a month....

this looks like a decent site.

~It doesn't hurt if the bones aren't showing.......so they say.

07-30-2001, 10:50 AM

Broke my freakin shoulder Saturday.
Highsided it. The lower part of the socket is where it is broke. I wonder how long it will be before I can ride again? I am scheduled to go on a 2week Harley trip in 6 weeks. This sucks !! <IMG SRC="http://www.dirtbike.com/freshdirt/BBS/icon_smile_blackeye.gif";


Now typing with only the left hand.:mad:

07-30-2001, 12:52 PM

that really sucks...believe me when I say "I feel Your pain"....I separated my right shoulder 2 weekends ago.....It wasn't bad and the colorbone popped back in on its own, but it did hurt quite a bit....It aches a little now at night and if I try to lift anything above shoulder high...not as bad as yours though.

I was hotdogging around a corner on an unfamiliar train, hit a log sideways and dumped.....stupid on my part...but i was having fun at the time....

I'll be back on mine in a couple of weeks...maybe 3 if I go to the Lake like I'm planning.

~chicks dig scars....tatoos life gives You.

07-30-2001, 08:04 PM
motocross?? Kyle you suck.

08-16-2001, 09:55 AM
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08-16-2001, 10:19 AM
http://www.duhspot.com/users/smiley/s/cwm/3dlil/puke.gif Donkfan,

No YOU SUCK!!!! I'll bet you have never even sat on a bike much less rode one you little poooosssy!!!


Should be an interesting weekend with X-Games and the Nationals the same weekend. Travis is going to do both. They have a jet to fly him from one to the other. That kid is really tuff. I hope he takes it all. Worried for him a little with the 4 recent concussions though.

08-16-2001, 10:26 AM
I haven't been keeping up with any of that stuff lately....I've been somewhere every weekend lately...usually 300 and last weekend 500 miles away.....

I haven't been home to ride for 3 going on 4 weeks. Which probably isn't bad because I still have a sore wing...hows yours doing? I think I'll make it home for Labor day weekend(class reunion crap) and work some ride time in.....I need to do some heavy duty riding before bow season starts.....

~getting too many hobbies for the allotted time...fishing, hunting, MX, home repair and chick....something is going to have to give.

08-16-2001, 10:53 AM
My shoulder is doing a little better every day. My hope is that it will be 100% again, no matter how long it takes. I usually would be lifting weights every week but I have no idea how long or how much I will be able to come back. They say a lot of people who have seperated shoulders need surgery to get them back to 100%. I hope that is not the case. BTW, I got this killer motorcycle video the other day " Foxes Greatest Hits" it is better than any of the Crusty videos. You'll have to check it out. Travis is only 17 and going for his 2nd straight National Championship as well as his second gold at X. It should be interesting. There is a lot of pressure for him to do a 360 this year. I love freestyle.


Going to fire up the VCR for this one.:eek: