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Logical
09-22-2007, 11:28 PM
This thread was a bad idea and I apologize to those who were offended. I knew some would be offended but I really did not think this thread would last so long on a game day.

Delano
09-22-2007, 11:30 PM
What exactly is the point of this?

Is there a pop culture reference here or is this pure dumbassery?

DomerNKC
09-22-2007, 11:31 PM
good to see that nonconfrontationalism is sinking in with you.

Count Alex's Losses
09-22-2007, 11:31 PM
I am behind this endeavor.

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:31 PM
SUCK IT JESUS!

I LOVE IT!

dooooooooooooooooooooomed.

HolmeZz
09-22-2007, 11:32 PM
What exactly is the point of this?

Is there a pop culture reference here or is this pure dumbassery?

It's a reference to Kathy Griffin's award speech, but I think Loggy is trying to push buttons here.

Delano
09-22-2007, 11:32 PM
I am behind this endeavor.

When Vlad said "we," I was wondering who he was referring to.

Thanks for clearing that up.

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:33 PM
STANDIN ON THE CORNER LETTIN JESUS SUCK ON MY BIG OL CHILIDOG

QuikSsurfer
09-22-2007, 11:33 PM
www.CafePress.com

Groves
09-22-2007, 11:33 PM
He wants to be eaten by worms like Herod and Kathy Griffin, I guess.

Logical
09-22-2007, 11:34 PM
Hell I would partner with anyone this is a real money making concept. Easily as good as the Don'tTazeMeBro concept.

HolmeZz
09-22-2007, 11:34 PM
He wants to be eaten by worms like Herod and Kathy Griffin, I guess.

I think that prolly happens whether you believe in God or not.

Simply Red
09-22-2007, 11:35 PM
I just lost faith in everything here. But, I kept my faith in Jesus. Suck it Go-Please!

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:36 PM
Hell I would partner with anyone this is a real money making concept. Easily as good as the Don'tTazeMeBro concept.

I'm so up for telling Jesus to suck it. I've put a god 10 years into it so far.

Count Alex's Losses
09-22-2007, 11:36 PM
I'd like a SUCK IT CARRIE T-shirt, with a still from this .gif:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1401/avatar371296qy4dp1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Tribal Warfare
09-22-2007, 11:37 PM
Seriously how do we start a T-shirt company with that saying? Also someone please PM with me on how I register the website Suck_It_Jesus.com?

I wanted to make a DIY "Because I'm Jesus" T-Shirt for a while now

morphius
09-22-2007, 11:38 PM
Using underscores in DNS is not recommended.

Simply Red
09-22-2007, 11:39 PM
Using underscores in DNS is not recommended.
:hmmm: ROFL :clap:

Logical
09-22-2007, 11:40 PM
Using underscores in DNS is not recommended.What is the best way to put it together for maximum hits?

Delano
09-22-2007, 11:41 PM
I'd like a SUCK IT CARRIE T-shirt, with a still from this .gif:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1401/avatar371296qy4dp1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Have you seen that woman in person?

My goodness, she is goddess-like.

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:41 PM
What is the best way to put it together for maximum hits?

sexxily.

Count Alex's Losses
09-22-2007, 11:43 PM
Have you seen that woman in person?

My goodness, she is goddess-like.

You have? Details, man! Details! I hear eye contact with her results in instant boners.

Groves
09-22-2007, 11:43 PM
I think that prolly happens whether you believe in God or not.
Ain't that the truth. No stoppin that, huh.

irishjayhawk
09-22-2007, 11:44 PM
Why not just do .org?

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:45 PM
or .jesusisatroll

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:45 PM
suckitjesus.jesusisatroll

Family website

Delano
09-22-2007, 11:47 PM
You have? Details, man! Details! I hear eye contact with her results in instant boners.

I never made any eye contact, but when she busted out her Guns 'N Roses covers, I did get a boner.

She has legs made for tight blue jeans.

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:48 PM
I never made any eye contact, but when she busted out her Guns 'N Roses covers, I did get a boner.

She has legs made for tight blue jeans.

or white kahkis

Count Alex's Losses
09-22-2007, 11:49 PM
I never made any eye contact, but when she busted out her Guns 'N Roses covers, I did get a boner.

She has legs made for tight blue jeans.

Carrie is so hot when she does rock covers. I want to have sweaty, nasty sex with her when she sings anything with an edge.

Delano
09-22-2007, 11:49 PM
or white kahkis

What's this? Pics?

Delano
09-22-2007, 11:50 PM
Carrie is so hot when she does rock covers. I want to have sweaty, nasty sex with her when she sings anything with an edge.

I bet you could rub one out in Nick's basement without him ever knowing.

Count Alex's Losses
09-22-2007, 11:51 PM
She has legs made for tight blue jeans.

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/543/carrieunderwoodhotpantsal1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8803/carrieunderwoodcmt1sj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:51 PM
What's this? Pics?

I have pics of them coming off, but Carrie told me not to show them. Could **** up her career.

HypnotizedMonkey
09-22-2007, 11:52 PM
YoureHomosexualANDtheAnti-Christ.org

Logical
09-22-2007, 11:54 PM
Why not just do .org?

That one does not seem to be taken so how do you register it?

KurtCobain
09-22-2007, 11:57 PM
That one does not seem to be taken so how do you register it?

find a site like godaddy.com, buy the name, and wala. you get the site.

Delano
09-22-2007, 11:58 PM
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/543/carrieunderwoodhotpantsal1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8803/carrieunderwoodcmt1sj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

QFT

irishjayhawk
09-22-2007, 11:59 PM
That one does not seem to be taken so how do you register it?

Go to Godaddy.com

Type it in and submit it.

It will say it hasn't been taken.

Hit continue.

It will offer you an offer. Hit no thanks, or check out, UNDER the big button that says YES TAKE THIS OFFER.

Enter in info and it's like buying any other thing on the internet.

Frazod
09-23-2007, 12:02 AM
I see Jim feels, as usual, like he isn't getting enough attention. :shake:

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 12:03 AM
SUCK IT SUCK IT JESUS

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 12:03 AM
I see Jim feels, as usual, like he isn't getting enough attention. :shake:

or maybe he just wants head from a global icon? :shrug:

ChiefsCountry
09-23-2007, 12:37 AM
I never made any eye contact, but when she busted out her Guns 'N Roses covers, I did get a boner.


Yeah the concert of her's I went to she kicked major ass on the two GNR songs. I'm normally not a fan of other singers doing covers of the great bands but man she did an awesome job on them.

Logical
09-23-2007, 12:39 AM
I see Jim feels, as usual, like he isn't getting enough attention. :shake:

That is just silly, this is a legit opp to make some money from a cultural phenomena that Kathy Griffin stirred up. Unfortunately the .com site is already taken.

Jenson71
09-23-2007, 12:49 AM
Oh, Dr. Doom, you are really quite the rebel!

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 12:50 AM
SUCK IT JESUS

Dave Lane
09-23-2007, 12:57 AM
Hell I would partner with anyone this is a real money making concept. Easily as good as the Don'tTazeMeBro concept.


Jim I can get it registered and host it for $15 for a year. PM me if you are interested.

Dave

Logical
09-23-2007, 12:58 AM
SuckItJesus.org is now mine. Next setting up a website.

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 12:58 AM
SuckItJesus.org is now mine.

nice

Logical
09-23-2007, 12:59 AM
Jim I can get it registered and host it for $15 for a year. PM me if you are interested.

Dave

Shit, I did better on price but they won't host it for me. I have to learn how to create a website.

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 01:03 AM
Shit, I did better on price but they won't host it for me. I have to learn how to create a website.

draac.com is good for learning html

Dave Lane
09-23-2007, 01:18 AM
Shit, I did better on price but they won't host it for me. I have to learn how to create a website.


Dreamweaver works well

Dave

Logical
09-23-2007, 01:22 AM
Dreamweaver works well

DaveThanks,

Now I need a graphics person to design the T-shirt.

I was thinking a picture of Jesus with the words Suck It Jesus superimposed over it. Then some sort of cool graphic on the back.

RedThat
09-23-2007, 01:23 AM
Seriously how do we start a T-shirt company with that saying? Also someone please PM with me on how I register the website Suck_It_Jesus.com?

Man what is wrong with you?

Are you stupid? Seriously are you really ****in dumb?

:shake:

*I hope you're not serious

Logical
09-23-2007, 01:25 AM
Man what is wrong with you?

Are you stupid? Seriously are you really ****in dumb?

:shake:

*I hope you're not serious

I don't think you have any idea how big the potential market would be for this T-shirt.

RedThat
09-23-2007, 01:29 AM
I don't think you have any idea how big the potential market would be for this T-shirt.

I don't care about that too be honest.

whats disturbing is guys like you who actually have the nerve to go out and say wicked things about our saviour to actually publicize it by creating a T-shirt...just in the name of what? profit?

If thats the case, you ****n sick.

*Remember Jesus died for us, and then you want to go out and do that...Are you possessed by evil?

88TG88
09-23-2007, 01:48 AM
Thanks,

Now I need a graphics person to design the T-shirt.

I was thinking a picture of Jesus with the words Suck It Jesus superimposed over it. Then some sort of cool graphic on the back.
If you find some good pics and fonts I'll give it a shot.

HolmeZz
09-23-2007, 01:52 AM
I don't care about that too be honest.

whats disturbing is guys like you who actually have the nerve to go out and say wicked things about our saviour to actually publicize it by creating a T-shirt...just in the name of what? profit?

If thats the case, you ****n sick.

*Remember Jesus died for us, and then you want to go out and do that...Are you possessed by evil?

Jesus had Logical in mind when he was being nailed to the cross!

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 01:55 AM
I don't care about that too be honest.

whats disturbing is guys like you who actually have the nerve to go out and say wicked things about our saviour to actually publicize it by creating a T-shirt...just in the name of what? profit?

If thats the case, you ****n sick.

*Remember Jesus died for us, and then you want to go out and do that...Are you possessed by evil?

Our savior, or just some attention whore?

What I think is ****ed up, is how 2 thousand years ago a guy could say he's gods son and have a book written about him. Now if someone says they're god's son they're gonna get sent off to the looney bin.

thats ****ed up

Scorp
09-23-2007, 01:58 AM
..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rombeck/front.jpg http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rombeck/back.jpg

Logical
09-23-2007, 01:59 AM
..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rombeck/front.jpg http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rombeck/back.jpg

Perfect

HolmeZz
09-23-2007, 02:06 AM
..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rombeck/front.jpg

Jesus could be whiter. If you make him resemble anything close to a middle-eastern person it pretty much ruins it for everyone.

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 02:18 AM
Jesus could be whiter. If you make him resemble anything close to a middle-eastern person it pretty much ruins it for everyone.

seconded.

Oh and maybe put some phrasing on the back.
Maybe like:

The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

DaneMcCloud
09-23-2007, 02:35 AM
*Remember Jesus died for us, and then you want to go out and do that...Are you possessed by evil?

It would be much easier to make your case if people that thought like you prefaced their comments with the following phrase:

"I believe"...

So in this case: "*Remember, I believe Jesus died for us"

That way, you're not excluding the other 5.5 BILLION people on this big blue world that DON'T believe what YOU believe.

RedThat
09-23-2007, 02:39 AM
Our savior, or just some attention whore?

What I think is ****ed up, is how 2 thousand years ago a guy could say he's gods son and have a book written about him. Now if someone says they're god's son they're gonna get sent off to the looney bin.

thats ****ed up

No.

You have a bad interpretation about Jesus, and it's not right.

Remember the name Messiah. That means messenger! Jesus came here with a deep purpose.

As messed up as this world is not only today, but even before today, he not only came as an inspirer to the people, but also as a teacher, and as a messenger to deliver Gods word. He died so that way we could have a chance to be with God and live in unity with God and the holy spirit. Do you know that? That was part of his purpose...He knew he was going to come to earth and die so that way our sins can be rectified. We must believe and follow God. Believe in Christ is important he is our only hope and way to God.

The bible is to educate us all brother, don't ever misinterpret the bible like that. It's here so we can install and learn what God wants us to do.
It's messages that can passed along to others like you and myself. It's up to us whether we want to follow it or not? God gave us free will.

*Just imagine how much God loves you brother. He gave his one and only son to die for you. And yet you have scumbags like this who are forming the idea of creating T-Shirts saying wicked things about Christ!

:shake:

RedThat
09-23-2007, 02:40 AM
It would be much easier to make your case if people that thought like you prefaced their comments with the following phrase:

"I believe"...

So in this case: "*Remember, I believe Jesus died for us"

That way, you're not excluding the other 5.5 BILLION people on this big blue world that DON'T believe what YOU believe.

Sorry for not prefacing my comment. I apologize.

RedThat
09-23-2007, 02:42 AM
I can't believe there are people on here who would actually support something like this?

Wow. Just wow. :shake:

DaneMcCloud
09-23-2007, 02:44 AM
Sorry for not prefacing my comment. I apologize.

Thank you for respecting others.

RedThat
09-23-2007, 02:44 AM
Thank you for respecting others.

Your very welcome.

RedThat
09-23-2007, 02:50 AM
What's ****ed up is you believe this book and a bunch of people are telling you the truth, but if I told you I was god's second son you wouldn't believe me.

I believe the bible absolutely. You are correct about that sir.

Because the bible teaches the truth. So how is that messed up?

No I wouldn't believe you if you told me you are god's second son because God has one only son. Jesus Christ our saviour.

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 02:52 AM
I believe the bible absolutely. You are correct about that sir.

Because the bible teaches the truth. So how is that messed up?

No I wouldn't believe you if you told me you are god's second son because God has one only son. Jesus Christ our saviour.

Things change in thousands of years. I see not why God could not send another in to help things out.

Logical
09-23-2007, 02:52 AM
OK so we got IrishJayhawk willing to help me put up the website.

We have a website.

If scorp is oK with it we have a design.

Now I need to contact a T-shirt company.


I am thinking with a high quality fabric we could get 15 to 20 for the t-shirts especially on the coasts.

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 02:57 AM
OK so we got IrishJayhawk willing to help me put up the website.

We have a website.

If scorp is oK with it we have a design.

Now I need to contact a T-shirt company.


I am thinking with a high quality fabric we could get 15 to 20 for the t-shirts especially on the coasts.

You even have the angry religious protester. Things are happening quickly!

RedThat
09-23-2007, 02:57 AM
Things change in thousands of years. I see not why God could not send another in to help things out.

Ha! interesting you'd say that!

You're right things do change. when Jesus came the laws changed, a lot of things changed.

remember this, "Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again!"

Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of god the father right now as we speak. Don't kid yourself, we are in for something. The end is near. And a good majority of people in this world are going to pay a price.

But Jesus will come again. To save.

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 03:02 AM
I don't believe in Chriss Angel.

RedThat
09-23-2007, 03:04 AM
I don't believe in Chriss Angel.

That's your choice.

There was no point in talking to you then. End of conversation. I am officially leaving this thread. Good Bye.

LocoChiefsFan
09-23-2007, 03:10 AM
Our savior, or just some attention whore?

What I think is ****ed up, is how 2 thousand years ago a guy could say he's gods son and have a book written about him. Now if someone says they're god's son they're gonna get sent off to the looney bin.

thats ****ed up
or how about burning bushes that talk or seas that part. Also, walking on water. I could go on and on. I think they were doing a lot of lsd back then.

DaneMcCloud
09-23-2007, 03:11 AM
That's your choice.

There was no point in talking to you then. End of conversation. I am officially leaving this thread. Good Bye.

Thanks!

KurtCobain
09-23-2007, 03:12 AM
I don't believe in David Blaine either.

htismaqe
09-23-2007, 07:07 AM
ROFL

Just when I think Jim can't get any more childish...

Jilly
09-23-2007, 07:40 AM
I have an awesome pin someone gave me that says, "Jesus would slap the shit out of you"

old_geezer
09-23-2007, 07:54 AM
A product made with the sole purpose of belittling the Son of God for what reason? Profit. Why not start a FriendsofJudas.org club at the same time? I have a feeling you'll be spending a lot of time together anyway.

Jilly
09-23-2007, 08:04 AM
i'm not sure my pin so much belittles the son of God as says to a person, in a very contemporary language, that he's disappointed in you.... and it's just an irony...not anything that's meant to be taken seriously.

ZepSinger
09-23-2007, 08:14 AM
'For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?'
Mark 8:36

Braincase
09-23-2007, 08:16 AM
Why not start "Suck it Mohammed" instead? I'm sure you'll get treated no worse than Danish cartoonists or Dutch politicians.

Saulbadguy
09-23-2007, 08:17 AM
SUCK IT, GONESH!

runnercyclist
09-23-2007, 08:31 AM
Blaspheme!

old_geezer
09-23-2007, 08:33 AM
i'm not sure my pin so much belittles the son of God as says to a person, in a very contemporary language, that he's disappointed in you.... and it's just an irony...not anything that's meant to be taken seriously.


My statement was directed at Jim, not you.

BigCatDaddy
09-23-2007, 08:34 AM
The root of all evil is money. Just 1 more example of a deteriorating society that has come with the "enlightenment period".

All though I think he is just doing this to tick off people, which actually only makes me feel for him. I just encourage those reading his post instead of getting mad just throw up a quick prayer for the healing of his soul and what it is that troubles him.

Skip Towne
09-23-2007, 08:34 AM
Take your meds, Jim!

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2007, 08:39 AM
Carrie is so hot when she does rock covers. I want to have sweaty, nasty sex with her when she sings anything with an edge.Shit. She could sing fuggin bluegrass, and It would be hot...

BigMeatballDave
09-23-2007, 08:42 AM
I don't think you have any idea how big the potential market would be for this T-shirt.In Arab nations, yes...

Spott
09-23-2007, 08:55 AM
I'd be willing to buy a "Suck-it-Herm" shirt. Not so sure about Jesus shirt, though. Don't feel like getting struck by lightning right now. :)

Floridafan
09-23-2007, 09:02 AM
FYI

NEVER MOCK GOD! Make a personal reflection about this.


It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Here are some men and women who mocked God:

JOHN LENNON: Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said: "Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him" (1966). Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

TANCREDO NEVES (President of Brazil): During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

CAZUZA (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet): During a show in Canecăo ( Rio de Janeiro ), whilst smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: "God, that's for you." He died at the age of 32 of AIDS in a horrible manner

THE MAN WHO BUILT TITANIC: After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be With an ironic tone he said: "Not even God can sink it" The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic

MARILYN MONROE: She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said: "I don't need your Jesus". A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.


BON SCOTT: The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang: "Don't stop me, I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell". On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead he had been choked by his own vomit.

CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005. In Campinas, Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU." She responded: "ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, CAUSE INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL" Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact. The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none were broken..... Boot means trunk.

Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive. JESUS!!!

What benefit does it have, if a man gains the whole world but loses his soul? What can man give in exchange for his soul? (Matthew 16:26).

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 09:03 AM
Just imagine how much God loves you brother. He gave his one and only son to die for you.
LMAO

If the Bible's interpretation of events is correct-ish (let's not forget it's many, many mutual exclusivities) then God knew that sending Jesus down here to die was of no consequence. Jesus would just wind up right back up there in Heaven.

Giant sacrifice there.

remember this, "Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again!"

Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of god the father right now as we speak. Don't kid yourself, we are in for something. The end is near. And a good majority of people in this world are going to pay a price.
What makes you people so SURE? Also, at what point are you Ok with worshiping a God that excluded all others and is capable of sending them to eternal hell? What if you're f**king wrong and God really prefers Jews? Or Muslims? There are hundreds of religions. Many of them have had a messiah. Take a step back from your faith and ask yourself what makes yours special.

old_geezer
09-23-2007, 09:04 AM
In Arab nations, yes...


Actually, Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam. He is treated with more respect in the Arab nations than He is by non-believers in America.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 09:07 AM
FYI

NEVER MOCK GOD! Make a personal reflection about this.


It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Here are some men and women who mocked God: ...
Wow, sounds like in your version of God He is a real asshole.

What is it about Christians that it's Ok for God to lay down a bunch of f**king rules that he doesn't have to follow himself?

Spott
09-23-2007, 09:22 AM
BON SCOTT: The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang: "Don't stop me, I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell". On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead he had been choked by his own vomit.


He died from alcohol poisoning very similiar to the way that Jimi Hendrix did. I'm pretty sure that his rock star lifestyle of drugs, alcohol, etc. had more to do with his death than God being ticked off because the band had a song/album called Highway to Hell.

Saulbadguy
09-23-2007, 09:27 AM
I don't see anyone mocking God in this thread.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 09:28 AM
He died from alcohol poisoning very similiar to the way that Jimi Hendrix did. I'm pretty sure that his rock star lifestyle of drugs, alcohol, etc. had more to do with his death than God being ticked off because the band had a song/album called Highway to Hell.
His assertions are all provable because no Christian has ever died in a car crash, or gotten cancer, or been murdered.

Demonpenz
09-23-2007, 09:32 AM
this thread sucks. gochiefs ruined a hot girl. jesus is being shamed. don't worry jesus i will stillw ash yoru feet

Bwana
09-23-2007, 09:50 AM
Wow

HypnotizedMonkey
09-23-2007, 10:43 AM
jesus had a secret twin brother

Scorp
09-23-2007, 10:46 AM
OK so we got IrishJayhawk willing to help me put up the website.

We have a website.

If scorp is oK with it we have a design.

Now I need to contact a T-shirt company.


I am thinking with a high quality fabric we could get 15 to 20 for the t-shirts especially on the coasts.


Haha it's ok with me Doc. Go getem.

Ari Chi3fs
09-23-2007, 10:54 AM
find a site like godaddy.com, buy the name, and wala. you get the site.


Voila! dumbass.

Ari Chi3fs
09-23-2007, 10:59 AM
You'd figure that when someone is as old, decrepit, and as near death as Jim... that we would attempt to make amends for his many years of shittiness.

Not so, apparently.

Enjoy the fire, Jim. Enjoy the fire.
http://rocksnsucks.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/hell.jpg

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 11:06 AM
What makes you people so SURE? Also, at what point are you Ok with worshiping a God that excluded all others and is capable of sending them to eternal hell? What if you're f**king wrong and God really prefers Jews? Or Muslims? There are hundreds of religions. Many of them have had a messiah. Take a step back from your faith and ask yourself what makes yours special.

Interestingly enough.....I believe the God that I worship doesn't exclude anyone except those who blaspheme against him.

My only question to you is one that you asked yourself.....what if you are wrong?

mmaddog
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Simplex3
09-23-2007, 12:10 PM
Interestingly enough.....I believe the God that I worship doesn't exclude anyone except those who blaspheme against him.

My only question to you is one that you asked yourself.....what if you are wrong?

mmaddog
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I refuse to live my life sucking up to an invisible man just in case. Besides, if you're going for the "just in case" approach you're going to be busier than a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest because you've got about 80 churches to attend every week. You know, just in case.

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 12:20 PM
Interestingly enough.....I believe the God that I worship doesn't exclude anyone except those who blaspheme against him.

My only question to you is one that you asked yourself.....what if you are wrong?

mmaddog
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Ah, pascal's wager...

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 01:36 PM
Ah, pascal's wager...

Nah......

If you'd like to purport an answer by going back to a supposition by a French philosopher please feel free. Everyone has their own attempt to explain away something that they feel incomprehesible, or something that just doesn't fit into their 'little black box".

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 01:38 PM
I refuse to live my life sucking up to an invisible man just in case. Besides, if you're going for the "just in case" approach you're going to be busier than a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest because you've got about 80 churches to attend every week. You know, just in case.

Just in case what?

Last I heard it isn't attendance in a building that gets you into heaven. Sorry, but while I understand and respect your right to not believe, you're statement in the above is insufficent.

mmaddog
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Easy 6
09-23-2007, 01:39 PM
This thread can suck it.

But good.

banyon
09-23-2007, 01:40 PM
Ah, pascal's wager...

Uh, that's not Pascal's wager.

banyon
09-23-2007, 01:41 PM
How about some "Suck it, Carl!" T-shirts?

DomerNKC
09-23-2007, 03:38 PM
..
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rombeck/front.jpg http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rombeck/back.jpgill take a couple of those bad boys.

Spott
09-23-2007, 03:43 PM
ill take a couple of those bad boys.

Maybe you could get a suckittouchdownjesus shirt.

;)

DomerNKC
09-23-2007, 03:44 PM
I believe the bible absolutely. You are correct about that sir.

Because the bible teaches the truth. So how is that messed up?

No I wouldn't believe you if you told me you are god's second son because God has one only son. Jesus Christ our saviour.you forgot to preface again. Remember when stating opinion, you must preface. By the way, if jesus is Gods only son, how come we never hear about Gods wife?

DomerNKC
09-23-2007, 03:45 PM
Maybe you could get a suckittouchdownjesus shirt.

;)perhaps soon TD jesus will lower his hands to cover his eyes.

Scorp
09-23-2007, 03:47 PM
By the way, if jesus is Gods only son, how come we never hear about Gods wife?


You have, you just don't know it. God's wife divorced his ass. She took half of everything he owned. Hence the name "The devil".

DomerNKC
09-23-2007, 03:48 PM
You have, you just don't know it. God's wife divorced his ass. She took half of everything he owned. Hence the name "The devil".ROFL

Spott
09-23-2007, 03:51 PM
You have, you just don't know it. God's wife divorced his ass. She took half of everything he owned. Hence the name "The devil".


LMAO

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 03:53 PM
Uh, that's not Pascal's wager.


It's a form.

Why not believe, you have nothing to lose. I'd say that's damn close, if not directly, Pascal's Wager.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 03:55 PM
Just in case what?

Last I heard it isn't attendance in a building that gets you into heaven. Sorry, but while I understand and respect your right to not believe, you're statement in the above is insufficent.

mmaddog
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Just last weekend I got to hear from another Pastor about how I'm going to hell because I don't go to church every Sunday, tithe, and the whole nine yards.

Spott
09-23-2007, 03:58 PM
Just last weekend I got to hear from another Pastor about how I'm going to hell because I don't go to church every Sunday, tithe, and the whole nine yards.


So you're going to hell because you aren't giving him 10% of your money and he doesn't have to pay taxes on it? That makes sense.

Easy 6
09-23-2007, 03:59 PM
Whats funny about threads like these, is that, outside of Believer, nobody who subscribes to a higher power starts threads to the effect of..."Aetheist Moms Go Ass to Mouth".

No, its always someone who doesnt believe who has to start a dirtbag thread that offends a large portion of the board...why is that???

All of the assholes here can neg rep me to oblivion, heres a quarter...call someone who cares.

Have fun assholes.

Spott
09-23-2007, 04:02 PM
Whats funny about threads like these, is that, outside of Believer, nobody who subscribes to a higher power starts threads to the effect of..."Aetheist Moms Go Ass to Mouth".



I think I might have to start dating Atheists.

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:02 PM
Whats funny about threads like these, is that, outside of Believer, nobody who subscribes to a higher power starts threads to the effect of..."Aetheist Moms Go Ass to Mouth".

No, its always someone who doesnt believe who has to start a dirtbag thread that offends a large portion of the board...why is that???

All of the assholes here can neg rep me to oblivion, heres a quarter...call someone who cares.

Have fun assholes.

I disagree. Phelps is one example.


Oh, and further, non-believers are just starting to disregard the "taboo" that has been on religion. The one you're trying to employ here.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 04:04 PM
No, its always someone who doesnt believe who has to start a dirtbag thread that offends a large portion of the board...why is that???
Oh noes! Someone was offended! Quick, cancel the First Amendment!

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:05 PM
Oh noes! Someone was offended! Quick, cancel the First Amendment!

Tase him!

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 04:07 PM
I disagree. Phelps is one example.
That's probably a bad example, but nobody ever sees dumbassery when it's done by people they agree with.

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:08 PM
That's probably a bad example, but nobody ever sees dumbassery when it's done by people they agree with.

Fair enough. Though, moderates, like scott free (I think) enable him nonetheless.

Floridafan
09-23-2007, 04:09 PM
LMAO

If the Bible's interpretation of events is correct-ish (let's not forget it's many, many mutual exclusivities) then God knew that sending Jesus down here to die was of no consequence. Jesus would just wind up right back up there in Heaven.

Giant sacrifice there.


What makes you people so SURE? Also, at what point are you Ok with worshiping a God that excluded all others and is capable of sending them to eternal hell? What if you're f**king wrong and God really prefers Jews? Or Muslims? There are hundreds of religions. Many of them have had a messiah. Take a step back from your faith and ask yourself what makes yours special.

Jesus (or Yeshua is the original Hebrew proper name for Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish Rabbi) is the only Messiah that was raised from the dead and was seen by 3500 people. No other Prophet / Messiah did this. This is what makes Him different from all the rest.

You guys are making light of something very serious. In response to those who asked why God sent Him only to die, don't you understand that in the Jewish faith it stated, "without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins. Yeshua/Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. He kept all 613 commandments in the Torah. He was the perfect sacrifice for idiots like you who mock Him.

You ask what makes mine right or special? That's a good question. If I'm wrong then all I did was live a life that tried to do the right thing, love my neighbor as myself and do the right thing. If your wrong................. there might be hell to pay.

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:12 PM
Jesus (or Yeshua is the original Hebrew proper name for Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish Rabbi) is the only Messiah that was raised from the dead and was seen by 3500 people. No other Prophet / Messiah did this. This is what makes Him different from all the rest.

You guys are making light of something very serious. In response to those who asked why God sent Him only to die, don't you understand that in the Jewish faith it stated, "without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins. Yeshua/Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. He kept all 613 commandments in the Torah. He was the perfect sacrifice for idiots like you who mock Him.

You ask what makes mine right or special? That's a good question. If I'm wrong then all I did was live a life that tried to do the right thing, love my neighbor as myself and do the right thing. If your wrong................. there might be hell to pay.

Well, I don't recall the 3500 people seeing him. And we still have no sources, afaik, that document any resurrection.

And then, once again, a form of Pascal's wager.

DomerNKC
09-23-2007, 04:16 PM
Jesus (or Yeshua is the original Hebrew proper name for Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish Rabbi) is the only Messiah that was raised from the dead and was seen by 3500 people. No other Prophet / Messiah did this. This is what makes Him different from all the rest.

You guys are making light of something very serious. In response to those who asked why God sent Him only to die, don't you understand that in the Jewish faith it stated, "without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins. Yeshua/Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. He kept all 613 commandments in the Torah. He was the perfect sacrifice for idiots like you who mock Him.

You ask what makes mine right or special? That's a good question. If I'm wrong then all I did was live a life that tried to do the right thing, love my neighbor as myself and do the right thing. If your wrong................. there might be hell to pay.Luke Skywalker was the son of Anakin Skywalker, who was also known as Darth Vader. Both are great stories.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 04:23 PM
If I'm wrong then all I did was live a life that tried to do the right thing, love my neighbor as myself and do the right thing. If your wrong................. there might be hell to pay.
I love it when Christians act like they have a patent on decent behavior. Even as a non-Christian I lead a more Christian life than most people I know who claim to be Christians. Oh, they surely do the flashy stuff like going to church, but when the rubber meets the road they fail miserably.

Scorp
09-23-2007, 04:25 PM
If I'm wrong then all I did was live a life that tried to do the right thing, love my neighbor as myself and do the right thing. If your wrong................. there might be hell to pay.

That is a bit hypocritic. I live my life and all I try to do is the right thing. What makes you so special? If I live my life and treat people with kindness and respect and your God doesn't approve because I didn't worship him. Well........quite frankly he can kiss my ass.

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:27 PM
Just last weekend I got to hear from another Pastor about how I'm going to hell because I don't go to church every Sunday, tithe, and the whole nine yards.

I'm sorry about the fact that someone else has missed the message....Christians are asked to give as your prosper, and that wasn't meant specifically in the area of tithing, although many live to point to that as a reason to tithe.

I know many people who physically go to the church building and give their money every week, yet I bet they don't have any better path to Heaven than many Atheist or Agnostics.

On the other hand, acting like God doesn't exist is the same as acting like that smoking coming from under the hood isn't anything major.

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:29 PM
Oh, and further, non-believers are just starting to disregard the "taboo" that has been on religion. The one you're trying to employ here.

And what "taboo" is that? Don't attack or question religion? If you believe that non-believers haven't been 'attacking" the beliefs of Christians long before lately, you need to wake up a little.

mmaddog
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Scorp
09-23-2007, 04:30 PM
Quick question for any catholics out there. Are all those child molesting priest's going to hell for their sins? Just wondering?

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:31 PM
Fair enough. Though, moderates, like scott free (I think) enable him nonetheless.

*Buzz*...that would be a wrong answer.

Next topic....

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:32 PM
Quick question for any catholics out there. Are all those child molesting priest's going to hell for their sins? Just wondering?

I'm not Catholic, but I'll be your huckleberry. Your answers....

Unless they repent of their sins absolutely.

mmaddog
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Simplex3
09-23-2007, 04:33 PM
And what "taboo" is that? Don't attack or question religion? If you believe that non-believers haven't been 'attacking" the beliefs of Christians long before lately, you need to wake up a little.

mmaddog
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Refresh my memory, what was the last war or mass killing perpetrated by an atheist? When *real* attacking is done it's almost always done in the name of some god.

Stewie
09-23-2007, 04:34 PM
Seriously how do we start a T-shirt company with that saying? Also someone please PM with me on how I register the website Suck_It_Jesus.com?

I'm not religious, but stupidity is infinite.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 04:34 PM
I'm not Catholic, but I'll be your huckleberry. Your answers....

Unless they repent of their sins absolutely.

mmaddog
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LMAO

It doesn't matter what you do throughout your life, it only matters if you have time to suck God's d**k a little before you die.

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:41 PM
Refresh my memory, what was the last war or mass killing perpetrated by an atheist? When *real* attacking is done it's almost always done in the name of some god.

Your answer completely strays away from your original question...

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:43 PM
LMAO

It doesn't matter what you do throughout your life, it only matters if you have time to suck God's d**k a little before you die.

Wow...some deep-seated anger came out there.

If you truly want to have a discussion sometime, feel free to IM me. But good-spirited debate never happens when someone has an anger as deep as you appear to have right now.

mmaddog
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irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:43 PM
And what "taboo" is that? Don't attack or question religion? If you believe that non-believers haven't been 'attacking" the beliefs of Christians long before lately, you need to wake up a little.

mmaddog
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It's always been taboo. It's just there's more attacking going on now that there has been in the past.


*Buzz*...that would be a wrong answer.

Next topic....

mmaddog
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How do moderates of any religion not, inherently, enable those who are "fringe" or "extremists". There wouldn't be a fringe or an extremist point of view if there wasn't a moderate view point or a religion to be fundamental about.

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:44 PM
Your answer completely strays away from your original question...

mmaddog
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you are reduced to deflecting /stevieray

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:45 PM
Wow...some deep-seated anger came out there.

If you truly want to have a discussion sometime, feel free to IM me. But good-spirited debate never happens when someone has an anger as deep as you appear to have right now.

mmaddog
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How is that any anger?

If you repent, you gain entrance. So murderers who meet god and repent get in. I wonder who's dumb enough to go to hell. This is all assuming there's a sky god though.

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:47 PM
you are reduced to deflecting /stevieray

*Buzz* wrong answer again....you're getting good at this.

Oh.....and BTW, if you are comparing me to StevieRay, that makes me feel pretty good. I consider that good company. And I am sure that many would agree.

mmaddog
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irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:48 PM
*Buzz* wrong answer again....you're getting good at this.

Oh.....and BTW, if you are comparing me to StevieRay, that makes me feel pretty good. I consider that good company. And I am sure that many would agree.

mmaddog
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Gee, what is the right answer....

And I was comparing the statement with no capitalization and the word deflecting as a stevieray comment. Which it is.

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:56 PM
It's always been taboo. It's just there's more attacking going on now that there has been in the past..

Not sure how old you are and where you have been, but in my life there hasn't been an era where organized religion was free from attack. The closest was the 80's during the Reagan presidency. The only reason it is more apparent is because of the proliferation of Satellite and the Internet.


How do moderates of any religion not, inherently, enable those who are "fringe" or "extremists". There wouldn't be a fringe or an extremist point of view if there wasn't a moderate view point or a religion to be fundamental about.

If you were truly thinking straight, EVERYONE enables frgines and extremists. To act like religious moderates are the only ones that enable extremism shows your bias.

mmaddog
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irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 04:59 PM
Not sure how old you are and where you have been, but in my life there hasn't been an era where organized religion was free from attack. The closest was the 80's during the Reagan presidency. The only reason it is more apparent is because of the proliferation of Satellite and the Internet.

I'd agree with that. I think I'm mistaking the atheism movement with critisising religion in general.




If you were truly thinking straight, EVERYONE enables frgines and extremists. To act like religious moderates are the only ones that enable extremism shows your bias.

mmaddog
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Only those who believe in some idea/ideal/party/religion etc are able to enable an extremist of said idea/ideal/party. Religion just happens to be an example now.

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 04:59 PM
If you repent, you gain entrance. So murderers who meet god and repent get in. I wonder who's dumb enough to go to hell. This is all assuming there's a sky god though.

Read your Bible and remember the men who were crucified with Jesus. If you remember correctly, one of the 2 thieves on the hill who were being crucified with Jesus repented and was told that he would be with Jesus in paradise. The other ridiculed him....I would say, in answer to your question that he was the person dumb enough to go to hell.

mmaddog
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irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 05:04 PM
Read your Bible and remember the men who were crucified with Jesus. If you remember correctly, one of the 2 thieves on the hill who were being crucified with Jesus repented and was told that he would be with Jesus in paradise. The other ridiculed him....I would say, in answer to your question that he was the person dumb enough to go to hell.

mmaddog
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Or an example character in a fictional story. :shrug:

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 05:06 PM
Or an example character in a fictional story. :shrug:

See....that is where we differ. I choose to see the Bible as God's inspired word and you give the appearance that you do not.

But.....that is free will and your choice and mine.

mmaddog
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Simplex3
09-23-2007, 05:12 PM
See....that is where we differ. I choose to see the Bible as God's inspired word and you give the appearance that you do not.

But.....that is free will and your choice and mine.

mmaddog
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Most of the books in the Bible weren't written by anyone with firsthand knowledge of the events. The Bible was compiled by a group of men with agendas. The Bible contradicts itself. It encourages violent behavior.

Some inspired word. Even if you believe in God I don't understand how people can believe the Bible.

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 05:22 PM
Most of the books in the Bible weren't written by anyone with firsthand knowledge of the events. The Bible was compiled by a group of men with agendas. The Bible contradicts itself. It encourages violent behavior.

Some inspired word. Even if you believe in God I don't understand how people can believe the Bible.

Odd that you would accuse them of having an agenda. What would you call what you appear to have?

mmaddog
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irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 05:23 PM
Odd that you would accuse them of having an agenda. What would you call what you appear to have?

mmaddog
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An opinion? :shrug:

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 05:24 PM
In all seriousness, how can you actually say the Bible is even close to something other than a glorified piece of literature. The multiple contradictions, deranged morally and shoddy craftsmanship as to what did and didn't make it into the Bible.

Mosbonian
09-23-2007, 06:14 PM
In all seriousness, how can you actually say the Bible is even close to something other than a glorified piece of literature. The multiple contradictions, deranged morally and shoddy craftsmanship as to what did and didn't make it into the Bible.

In all sincerity....please give me your reasoning for not believing in the Bible.

mmaddog
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Jilly
09-23-2007, 06:34 PM
In all sincerity....please give me your reasoning for not believing in the Bible.

mmaddog
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oh dear... everyone hang on!!!!

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 06:43 PM
In all sincerity....please give me your reasoning for not believing in the Bible.

mmaddog
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In short and not all encompassing:

1) Contradictions
2) "Miracles"
3) No other sources, to my knowledge, corroborate its historicity or accuracy.
4) Plagiarism
5) Horrid moral basis

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 06:53 PM
In all sincerity....please give me your reasoning for not believing in the Bible.

mmaddog
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I don't delieve in dragons or unicorns either, and at least they don't contradict themselves.

DaneMcCloud
09-23-2007, 06:57 PM
In all sincerity....please give me your reasoning for not believing in the Bible.

mmaddog
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I'll post it a million times. If Jesus or Allah or any of these so-called "Prophets" were in conversation with God, why didn't ANY of them state the following:

1. The world is ROUND, not flat
2. The earth revolves around the SUN, not the other way around.
3. Hey Jews, pack up your sh*t! We're heading to North America!

Spott
09-23-2007, 07:10 PM
If there is a hell, I'm sure it is exactly like Disney World.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 07:12 PM
Hey, there's a kid with AIDS who's church told her she was no longer welcome. Religion at it's finest.

stevieray
09-23-2007, 07:19 PM
this thread sucks.

Simplex3
09-23-2007, 07:20 PM
this thread sucks.
I have no idea why you clicked the link.

stevieray
09-23-2007, 07:20 PM
I have no idea why you clicked the link.

:rolleyes:

Scorp
09-23-2007, 07:28 PM
this thread sucks.


Wrong! This thread kicks ass! ANARCHY! :p

chagrin
09-23-2007, 07:38 PM
I believe that you will b3e disappointed - other than a few hot spots of people buying this thing, you'll find that hardly anyone really has the will to display such garbage. By "hardly anyone" I don't mean 1 or 10 or 20 - but let me use an example from personal experience.

I used to be a non believer, Atheist - whatever excuse I was using at the time, as you are now, and I went out of my way to buy books, shirts whatever I found that made my point as clear as you obviously are trying to do by posting repetitive and tired threads over and over.

Well, I thought I knew everyone that felt the same as me, as it is most people didn't have the stones to wear shirts like the one you are suggesting.

I owned 2 pretty clever anti jesus shirts, much better than your idea.

1) Showed a picture of Jesus on the front and on the back it said "Stop Following Me"

2) Black, long sleeved shirt (this was in Colorado, but you could find short sleeved ones too) "F*ck me Jesus" with a picture of a nude babe F*cking herself with the cross.

I wore these shirts not just on stage (in my previous bands) but also during my days and nights, grocery shopping, dining, whatever I was doing. I didn't see ANYONE wearing shirts with anything remotely close to that message.

My point is simple - you talk a lot of garbage on here (along with most of the goofballs who share your "beliefs" but in the real world, having to defend that position to people with offensive messages about Jesus - well, I doubt seriously that you, gochiefs or anyone else have the stones to wear such a shirt in public and answer for it.

Anyway, carry on with this nonsense.

irishjayhawk
09-23-2007, 09:10 PM
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DomerNKC
09-23-2007, 11:49 PM
I believe that you will b3e disappointed - other than a few hot spots of people buying this thing, you'll find that hardly anyone really has the will to display such garbage. By "hardly anyone" I don't mean 1 or 10 or 20 - but let me use an example from personal experience.

I used to be a non believer, Atheist - whatever excuse I was using at the time, as you are now, and I went out of my way to buy books, shirts whatever I found that made my point as clear as you obviously are trying to do by posting repetitive and tired threads over and over.

Well, I thought I knew everyone that felt the same as me, as it is most people didn't have the stones to wear shirts like the one you are suggesting.

I owned 2 pretty clever anti jesus shirts, much better than your idea.

1) Showed a picture of Jesus on the front and on the back it said "Stop Following Me"

2) Black, long sleeved shirt (this was in Colorado, but you could find short sleeved ones too) "F*ck me Jesus" with a picture of a nude babe F*cking herself with the cross.

I wore these shirts not just on stage (in my previous bands) but also during my days and nights, grocery shopping, dining, whatever I was doing. I didn't see ANYONE wearing shirts with anything remotely close to that message.

My point is simple - you talk a lot of garbage on here (along with most of the goofballs who share your "beliefs" but in the real world, having to defend that position to people with offensive messages about Jesus - well, I doubt seriously that you, gochiefs or anyone else have the stones to wear such a shirt in public and answer for it.

Anyway, carry on with this nonsense.you still got a pic of that? it would look good on the one that they proposed.

Thig Lyfe
09-24-2007, 12:14 AM
Can you imagine what would happen if Believer were still here?

StcChief
09-24-2007, 06:41 AM
It matters not it will all be sorted out later.

Saulbadguy
09-24-2007, 07:18 AM
Suck it, Trebek.

BigRedChief
09-24-2007, 08:18 AM
Regardless of the religious part of this.....Censorship for any reason is wrong. Self restraint is great but to dictate censorship to everyone goes against everything that makes this country great.

Simplex3
09-24-2007, 08:36 AM
LMAO

It doesn't matter what you do throughout your life, it only matters if you have time to suck God's d**k a little before you die.
ROFL

Looks like I made another post that made Sally-owinian blush. You talk a manly game, but when it comes down to it...

Lonewolf Ed
09-24-2007, 09:03 AM
Quick question for any catholics out there. Are all those child molesting priest's going to hell for their sins? Just wondering?

We humans are all flawed, and some moreso than others. Man fails God all the time. God does not fail Man.

Saulbadguy
09-24-2007, 09:10 AM
ROFL

Looks like I made another post that made Sally-owinian blush. You talk a manly game, but when it comes down to it...
Linus Torvaldi can suck it, too.

Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 07:13 PM
In short and not all encompassing:

1) Contradictions
2) "Miracles"
3) No other sources, to my knowledge, corroborate its historicity or accuracy.
4) Plagiarism
5) Horrid moral basis

Sorry I haven't been back here...familial duties and work obligations are a little pressing right now....but let me reply:


1) Contradictions- Please point them out to me. And do so without it being an opinion, but a fact provable in basis.

2) "Miracles"- I am assuming you don't believe that miracles can occur. And that I can accept. But it's not, IMO, a valid reason to doubt the Bible.

3) No other sources, to my knowledge, corroborate its historicity or accuracy.- Wow, that is an argument that can be made for almost any book in print that covers any past historical event.

4) Plagiarism- OK....In all honesty I have never seen this reason given as one for not believing in the Bible. Can you give examples so I can research and be able to offer rebuttal.

5) Horrid moral basis- Horrid in what manner? Because it doesn't agree with your interpretation of what morality should be?


mmaddog
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Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 07:14 PM
I don't delieve in dragons or unicorns either, and at least they don't contradict themselves.

Please see my response above in #1.

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 07:19 PM
Hey, there's a kid with AIDS who's church told her she was no longer welcome. Religion at it's finest.

Please post a link?

And if it is true, then it's not a true church, but more a social and classless group of purported believers.

If you remember, Jesus spent his time with the lame, lepers and those who were considered "the lowest of lows" in society.

And if you truly don't have an anti-religious agenda blocking your ability to reason, then you would know that Aids-related discrimination is not an illness of just those who are believers.

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 07:20 PM
I have no idea why you clicked the link.

The same reason you continue to berate and rail against religion.

mmaddog
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FAX
09-25-2007, 07:30 PM
this thread sucks.

Amen.

FAX

Groves
09-25-2007, 07:36 PM
Suck it, thread!

Frazod
09-25-2007, 07:39 PM
This thread was a bad idea and I apologize to those who were offended. I knew some would be offended but I really did not think this thread would last so long on a game day.

ROFL

My ass.

You posted this for the same reason you post every other goddamn controversial thread - to stir shit and piss people off. Hardliners from both sides rant and rave, chaos ensues, and you get off on it. But in this one particular instance, we're supposed to believe that you're sorry.

Yeah, right. :whackit:

And I'm not really bald - I cut my hair like this deliberately.

DO YOU THINK WE ALL JUST LOGGED IN YESTERDAY, JIM?

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 07:46 PM
Sorry I haven't been back here...familial duties and work obligations are a little pressing right now....but let me reply:


1) Contradictions- Please point them out to me. And do so without it being an opinion, but a fact provable in basis.

2) "Miracles"- I am assuming you don't believe that miracles can occur. And that I can accept. But it's not, IMO, a valid reason to doubt the Bible.

3) No other sources, to my knowledge, corroborate its historicity or accuracy.- Wow, that is an argument that can be made for almost any book in print that covers any past historical event.

4) Plagiarism- OK....In all honesty I have never seen this reason given as one for not believing in the Bible. Can you give examples so I can research and be able to offer rebuttal.

5) Horrid moral basis- Horrid in what manner? Because it doesn't agree with your interpretation of what morality should be?


mmaddog
*******ON THE SABBATH DAY

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH

"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON SEEING GOD

"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18

DenverDanChiefsFan
09-25-2007, 08:13 PM
Sorry I haven't been back here...familial duties and work obligations are a little pressing right now....but let me reply:


1) Contradictions- Please point them out to me. And do so without it being an opinion, but a fact provable in basis.

mmaddog
*******Now that is rich. Coming from "take it on faith".

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 09:31 PM
ON HUMAN SACRIFICE

"... Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God..." -- Leviticus 18:21

"... If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering" (Judges 11:30-31).

[The terms were acceptable to god -- remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future -- so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] -- Judges 11:29-34 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON THE POWER OF GOD

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON DEALING WITH PERSONAL INJURY

"...thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. " -- Exodus 21:23-25

"...ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." -- Matthew 5:39 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON CIRCUMCISION

"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON INCEST

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god's reaction to Abraham, who married his sister -- his father's daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON TRUSTING GOD

"A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD..." -- Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: "Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause." -- Job 2:3 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON THE HOLY LIFE-STYLE

"Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart..." -- Ecclesiastes 9:7

"...they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not..." -- 1 Corinthians 7:30 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON PUNISHING CRIME

"The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20

"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..." -- Exodus 20:5 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON TEMPTATION

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James 1:13

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS

"Honor thy father and thy mother..."-- Exodus 20:12

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. " -- Luke 14:26 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

"...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job 7:9

"...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON THE END OF THE WORLD

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. " -- Matthew 16:28

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. " -- Luke 21:32-33

"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light." -- Romans 13:11-12

"Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." -- James 5:8

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." -- 1 John 2:18

"But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer." -- 1 Peter 4:7

These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the [i]immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the "Son of God." The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions. http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)

Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 09:51 PM
Now that is rich. Coming from "take it on faith".

You were so bent on throwing something back in my face, that you missed the intended irony of my answer.

Wide and to the left....

mmaddog
*******

Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 09:53 PM
ON THE SABBATH DAY

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH

"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON SEEING GOD

"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18

Before I respond to each one.....what website did you copy that from?

mmaddog
*******

Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 10:03 PM
ON THE POWER OF GOD

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON DEALING WITH PERSONAL INJURY

"...thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. " -- Exodus 21:23-25

"...ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." -- Matthew 5:39 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON CIRCUMCISION

"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON INCEST

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god's reaction to Abraham, who married his sister -- his father's daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON TRUSTING GOD

"A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD..." -- Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: "Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause." -- Job 2:3 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON THE HOLY LIFE-STYLE

"Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart..." -- Ecclesiastes 9:7

"...they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not..." -- 1 Corinthians 7:30 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON PUNISHING CRIME

"The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20

"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..." -- Exodus 20:5 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON TEMPTATION

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James 1:13

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS

"Honor thy father and thy mother..."-- Exodus 20:12

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. " -- Luke 14:26 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

"...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job 7:9

"...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29 http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)



ON THE END OF THE WORLD

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. " -- Matthew 16:28

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. " -- Luke 21:32-33

"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light." -- Romans 13:11-12

"Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." -- James 5:8

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." -- 1 John 2:18

"But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer." -- 1 Peter 4:7

These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the "Son of God." The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions. http://www.atheists.org/pix/arrow.gif (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html#top)

Ahhhh......I see, it's from atheists.org website....cool.

I'll tell you what, I won't cheat and go to some prepared website and copy and paste. I will read all of the scriptures and try to understand the content of the whole chapter or surrounding verses. Then I will give you my answers.

Fair enough?

mmaddog
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PS: Sorry I had to cut a bit of it out because it wouldn't let me post it until I did

sedated
09-25-2007, 10:07 PM
The 3 purposes of religion:

- To explain the unexplainable - no longer needed to to advances in science.

- To control an ignorant group of people - no longer valid in a society of the educated (why do you think, back in the day, they simply read the bible to the masses instead of teaching them to read and think for themselves?)

- To make people feel better about death - still valid for those who want to give up reason just to feel better about losing a loved one. I, myself, am not that ignorant.

Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 10:11 PM
The 3 purposes of religion:

- To explain the unexplainable - no longer needed to to advances in science.

- To control an ignorant group of people - no longer valid in a society of the educated (why do you think, back in the day, they simply read the bible to the masses instead of teaching them to read and think for themselves?)

- To make people feel better about death - still valid for those who want to give up reason just to feel better about losing a loved one. I, myself, am not that ignorant.

You missed the required preface.....

In my opinion....

mmaddog
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sedated
09-25-2007, 10:13 PM
You missed the required preface.....

In my opinion....

mmaddog
*******


I see no preface, just giving my 2 cents

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:16 PM
Sorry I haven't been back here...familial duties and work obligations are a little pressing right now....but let me reply:


1) Contradictions- Please point them out to me. And do so without it being an opinion, but a fact provable in basis.

For one, the lineage of Joseph. Matthew and Luke give two different versions of the lineage of Joseph.

2) "Miracles"- I am assuming you don't believe that miracles can occur. And that I can accept. But it's not, IMO, a valid reason to doubt the Bible.

Well, then if there are no "miracles" what makes him more than Ghandi of his time? It's the miracles that make him "divine".

3) No other sources, to my knowledge, corroborate its historicity or accuracy.- Wow, that is an argument that can be made for almost any book in print that covers any past historical event.

To an extent, I would agree. However, there are more books that agree with the events of the Trojan war than there are on Jesus' resurrection. There are more books that agree on the Holocaust than there are on Jesus' resurrection.

4) Plagiarism- OK....In all honesty I have never seen this reason given as one for not believing in the Bible. Can you give examples so I can research and be able to offer rebuttal.

Well, the biggest one is the story of Noah's Ark. Seems eeirly similar to the preceding story of the Epic of Gilgamesh, with some minor alterations. Almost as if someone plagiarized a college paper and in an effort not to fully plagiarize it spiced it up with some of his own writing.



5) Horrid moral basis- Horrid in what manner? Because it doesn't agree with your interpretation of what morality should be?
mmaddog
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You bring up two points here. First, it is horrid for morals because of some of the things it doesn't condemn or outright supports. Slavery filling the former, stoning the latter. It preaches an eye for an eye.

The second is "my interpretation". This is interesting because if we are to interpret our morals from the Bible, then on what criteria are we basing what is morally right and wrong? That is, if it's the Word of God and thus infallible (or even if you believe it's written by men and isn't infallible) then why are the morals not to be taken literally. On what are we basing our morals. If it doesn't condemn slavery outright or condones stoning adultresses, what criteria are you saying it's wrong? Obviously, it's something other than the Bible.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:19 PM
And for the argument that who are we to say people shouldn't feel "comfortable" or we are taking away "comfort" from people, I say this:

A doctor can lie and say you will fully recover from your battle with cancer. It's comforting but it doesn't mean it's true.

Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 10:23 PM
The 3 purposes of religion:

- To explain the unexplainable - no longer needed to to advances in science. I disagree...even some of the worlds best scientific minds agree that they have no explanation for certain events or physical/mental abilities

- To control an ignorant group of people - no longer valid in a society of the educated (why do you think, back in the day, they simply read the bible to the masses instead of teaching them to read and think for themselves?) Control an ignorant group of people? That answer is almost archaic (and as incorrect) as the men of those ages and their way of thinking.

- To make people feel better about death - still valid for those who want to give up reason just to feel better about losing a loved one. I, myself, am not that ignorant. No one I know ever feels better about losing a loved one. Just because we choose to believe that there is life after death doesn't make anyone any more ignorant than anyone who chooses not to believe in it.

Mosbonian
09-25-2007, 10:27 PM
Be back in a little while....wife is calling.

mmaddog
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irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:28 PM
To the responses you posted in bold:

1) Must state "at the current time". God has become a gap filler. If science doesn't know something at the current time, god fills that gap. Look at the Sun God, Rain God, etc

2) Why do you think for much of history the elite didn't participate in Christianity?

3) It boils down to hope. An afterlife is hope that we'll see those we love once again. To mistake it for anything else is ignorance. And it doesn't make it any more true than hoping someone wins the lottery.

Jenson71
09-25-2007, 10:30 PM
2) Why do you think for much of history the elite didn't participate in Christianity?


Could you expand on this irishjayhawk? I wonder if there is any way one could measure this. How do you view "elite"?

sedated
09-25-2007, 10:33 PM
even some of the worlds best scientific minds agree that they have no explanation for certain events or physical/mental abilities

but we have better explanations now than "God makes the sun rise and fall". We have cellular and DNA research that explains why we are the way we are.

Control an ignorant group of people? That answer is almost archaic (and as incorrect) as the men of those ages and their way of thinking.

I don't see you proving or disproving anything

No one I know ever feels better about losing a loved one. Just because we choose to believe that there is life after death doesn't make anyone any more ignorant than anyone who chooses not to believe in it.

To say to yourself "well...they are in a better place now / they've gone to heaven to live next to god / this is what god intended / we'll see them again when our time has come" is more comforting than saying "sorry, they're dead now. No more Chiefs games, orgasms, and BBQ dinners for that guy"

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 10:36 PM
Ahhhh......I see, it's from atheists.org website....cool.

I'll tell you what, I won't cheat and go to some prepared website and copy and paste. I will read all of the scriptures and try to understand the content of the whole chapter or surrounding verses. Then I will give you my answers.

Fair enough?

mmaddog
*******
PS: Sorry I had to cut a bit of it out because it wouldn't let me post it until I didi tried to hide nothing. I was just giving examples. It is actually a nice website. I am not as militant as others, was just trying to help. I really could care less if anyone saw things my way. I don't wish to change anyones opinion, just giving mine. Personally it is one of the things about religion that i like the least. RECRUITMENT. Kind of funny how important recruitment is when a collection plate is involved. I might take religion seriously if money were not involved. just my $0.02 worth.

C-Mac
09-25-2007, 10:37 PM
Amen.

FAX

I rarely speak out against a thread, in fact I dont believe I ever have since I joined the Planet. If I didnt like it I just ignored it. I feel, like in all other threads, that the comments within a thread are freedom of speech and so respect that, but the problem I have is that I do not appreciate seeing the title of this thread on the Planets main topic list. I know that some have left the Planet because of things being too offensive and I suppose this is as good as example as it gets. I really wish a moderator would have the respect to change this topic's title to something thats a little less offensive.

sedated
09-25-2007, 10:43 PM
I know that some have left the Planet because of things being too offensive

f*ck those pussies

have an opinion and take criticism like a man, or go shove yur head up yur ass

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 10:48 PM
I rarely speak out against a thread, in fact I dont believe I ever have since I joined the Planet. If I didnt like it I just ignored it. I feel, like in all other threads, that the comments within a thread are freedom of speech and so respect that, but the problem I have is that I do not appreciate seeing the title of this thread on the Planets main topic list. I know that some have left the Planet because of things being too offensive and I suppose this is as good as example as it gets. I really wish a moderator would have the respect to change this topic's title to something thats a little less offensive.that is a quote from kathy griffins emmy acceptance speech. If we could only allow the religious right to censor everything we might see or hear, so as not to offend anyone, we would be in a better place...

C-Mac
09-25-2007, 10:49 PM
f*ck those pussies

have an opinion and take criticism like a man, or go shove yur head up yur ass

I had enjoyed Gaz's comments, he was almost a legend around here.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:51 PM
i tried to hide nothing. I was just giving examples. It is actually a nice website. I am not as militant as others, was just trying to help. I really could care less if anyone saw things my way. I don't wish to change anyones opinion, just giving mine. Personally it is one of the things about religion that i like the least. RECRUITMENT. Kind of funny how important recruitment is when a collection plate is involved. I might take religion seriously if money were not involved. just my $0.02 worth.

Hmm, out of curiosity, is it recruitment - to the secular/atheist - if you are attacking belief in the supernatural?

BigRedChief
09-25-2007, 10:52 PM
I rarely speak out against a thread, in fact I dont believe I ever have since I joined the Planet. If I didnt like it I just ignored it. I feel, like in all other threads, that the comments within a thread are freedom of speech and so respect that, but the problem I have is that I do not appreciate seeing the title of this thread on the Planets main topic list. I know that some have left the Planet because of things being too offensive and I suppose this is as good as example as it gets. I really wish a moderator would have the respect to change this topic's title to something thats a little less offensive.Censorship is a very slippery slope. Who decides what's over the line? What offends you may not offend me etc etc. Sometimes free speech is downright ugly (KKK marches and rally's) but in the end the ability to form your own opinion and state that opinion in a public forum is the foundation of any good democracy.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:53 PM
I rarely speak out against a thread, in fact I dont believe I ever have since I joined the Planet. If I didnt like it I just ignored it. I feel, like in all other threads, that the comments within a thread are freedom of speech and so respect that, but the problem I have is that I do not appreciate seeing the title of this thread on the Planets main topic list. I know that some have left the Planet because of things being too offensive and I suppose this is as good as example as it gets. I really wish a moderator would have the respect to change this topic's title to something thats a little less offensive.

Sorry but now a days anything is offensive. A breast on television, OH MY GOD, (pun intended) no one has ever seen that!?!?!?!!!!!!?!? You can't say certain words. You can't do this, you can't do that.

I find it offensive when people say other things are offensive and should be taken down or changed.

C-Mac
09-25-2007, 10:54 PM
that is a quote from kathy griffins emmy acceptance speech. If we could only allow the religious right to censor everything we might see or hear, so as not to offend anyone, we would be in a better place...

I have no problem with expressions of freeness of speech nor freedom of religion, I just wish the topic title was less offensive, one could just move into the main comment.

sedated
09-25-2007, 10:54 PM
I had enjoyed Gaz's comments, he was almost a legend around here.

no reference to any specific Planeteer, but you can either participate, or you can avoid whatever you don't like it.

n00bs get harsh treatment for a reason - you have to have a thick skin round here

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 10:55 PM
Hmm, out of curiosity, is it recruitment - to the secular/atheist - if you are attacking belief in the supernatural?It would depend on whether you define recruitment as an attack.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:56 PM
It would depend on whether you define recruitment as an attack.

Well, I guess my question is: can atheists really recruit?

stevieray
09-25-2007, 10:56 PM
I rarely speak out against a thread, in fact I dont believe I ever have since I joined the Planet. If I didnt like it I just ignored it. I feel, like in all other threads, that the comments within a thread are freedom of speech and so respect that, but the problem I have is that I do not appreciate seeing the title of this thread on the Planets main topic list. I know that some have left the Planet because of things being too offensive and I suppose this is as good as example as it gets. I really wish a moderator would have the respect to change this topic's title to something thats a little less offensive.

it reminds me of fred phelps...using God as a basis to exhibit an extremely distasteful opinion...

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:57 PM
I have no problem with expressions of freeness of speech nor freedom of religion, I just wish the topic title was less offensive, one could just move into the main comment.

Why? She said what she said. Why should it be taken down because some people are offended by it?

What if I'm offended by you saying it's offensive? Should I expect you to edit your posts to something "less" offensive?

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:58 PM
it reminds me of fred phelps...using God as a basis to exhibit an extremely distasteful opinion...

Exactly what position is distasteful. And distasteful to who?

sedated
09-25-2007, 10:58 PM
I just wish the topic title was less offensive, one could just move into the main comment.

CENSORSHIP.

HELP! I'M BEING REPPRESSED!

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irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 10:59 PM
This thread was a bad idea and I apologize to those who were offended. I knew some would be offended but I really did not think this thread would last so long on a game day.

Really? :spock:

Jenson71
09-25-2007, 11:01 PM
Why? She said what she said. Why should it be taken down because some people are offended by it?

What if I'm offended by you saying it's offensive? Should I expect you to edit your posts to something "less" offensive?

Logical is a male. Unless something has changed that I hadn't heard about.

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 11:03 PM
I have no problem with expressions of freeness of speech nor freedom of religion, I just wish the topic title was less offensive, one could just move into the main comment.Then we need to pass a rule. We need to determine an exact number of people that need to be offended before we apply censorship. Seeing that the FCC would have no problem with the thread title being profane, it must be that it upsets someones ideology. If she was referring to her gardener Jesus Roberto Francisco Luis Hernandez, is it offensive enough to be removed? Where do we draw the line?

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:04 PM
Logical is a male. Unless something has changed that I hadn't heard about.

might have pulled a peanut.

the next step is putting up random posts that make absolutely no sense

C-Mac
09-25-2007, 11:04 PM
Sorry but now a days anything is offensive. A breast on television, OH MY GOD, (pun intended) no one has ever seen that!?!?!?!!!!!!?!? You can't say certain words. You can't do this, you can't do that.

I find it offensive when people say other things are offensive and should be taken down or changed.
You speak as there should be no restraint to any offensive remark. What if something improper is stated about your wife, mother or a close friend? Could anyone say something offensive around a child, is that OK too? Sure we can turn the other cheek, but some things are still improper. If you know me at all you would know I'm tolerable, I'm not a speech squelcher and though opinionated at times, respect others opinions. Who am I to judge? Nobody, but I do think there is a limit to anyone's toleration.

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 11:04 PM
Well, I guess my question is: can atheists really recruit?recruit to what is the other more vital question.

Skip Towne
09-25-2007, 11:05 PM
We need a religion forum just like we needed a politics forum (DC). The discussion is just as nutty and just as futile as DC. Race, politics and religion are the three topics you don't discuss with a potential client. Message boards should also seperate them.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 11:05 PM
recruit to what is the other more vital question.

I'd assume atheism. But atheism isn't a religion or faith, so that's where I'm hung up and hence why I'm asking.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 11:07 PM
You speak as there should be no restraint to any offensive remark. What if something improper is stated about your wife, mother or a close friend? Could anyone say something offensive around a child, is that OK too? Sure we can turn the other cheek, but some things are still improper. If you know me at all you would know I'm tolerable, I'm not a speech squelcher and though opinionated at times, respect others opinions. Who am I to judge? Nobody, but I do think there is a limit to anyone's toleration.

Then how many people must be offended before it's offensive? Point is: it's a slippery slope.

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:11 PM
Who am I to judge?

exactly. who is anybody to judge?

must we lower ourselves (as a society) to the lowest common denominator?

Frazod
09-25-2007, 11:12 PM
We need a religion forum just like we needed a politics forum (DC). The discussion is just as nutty and just as futile as DC. Race, politics and religion are the three topics you don't discuss with a potential client. Message boards should also seperate them.
I have advocated this idea FOR YEARS.

Personally, I think DC should be expanded to include all offensive controversial crap, and religious threads would certainly qualify (especially DELIBERATELY offensive threads). The subforum could be called ExtremistDouchebagPlanet.

IMO, the only reason Jim posts shit like this in the main forum is because he's still pissed about the formation of DC in the first place, and this is the only way he can get a rise out of/offend/annoy a broader audience.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 11:14 PM
I have advocated this idea FOR YEARS.

Personally, I think DC should be expanded to include all offensive controversial crap, and religious threads would certainly qualify (especially DELIBERATELY offensive threads). The subforum could be called ExtremistDouchebagPlanet.

IMO, the only reason Jim posts shit like this in the main forum is because he's still pissed about the formation of DC in the first place, and this is the only way he can get a rise out of/offend/annoy a broader audience.

I'm in favor of "Church and State" forum, even if I'm against the real life union. :p

Of course, you're right, in that sometimes people want to poll the broader audience.

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 11:14 PM
I'd assume atheism. But atheism isn't a religion or faith, so that's where I'm hung up and hence why I'm asking.then i guess we agree in puzzlement.

Jenson71
09-25-2007, 11:17 PM
In regards to religious topics, I personally post them in the DC forum. If anyone has a serious topic on religion, the most serious, thoughtful discussion would appear there. Posting a religious topic on the main forum is an invitation to an unproductive free-for-all.

C-Mac
09-25-2007, 11:17 PM
Then we need to pass a rule. We need to determine an exact number of people that need to be offended before we apply censorship. Seeing that the FCC would have no problem with the thread title being profane, it must be that it upsets someones ideology. If she was referring to her gardener Jesus Roberto Francisco Luis Hernandez, is it offensive enough to be removed? Where do we draw the line?
Well believe it or not there are rules and laws all over this world that, like it or not, we both follow. You can be ridiculous in your reasoning if you like but that was not my intention nor my point.

C-Mac
09-25-2007, 11:23 PM
Why? She said what she said. Why should it be taken down because some people are offended by it?

What if I'm offended by you saying it's offensive? Should I expect you to edit your posts to something "less" offensive?

I guess because my computer is in the living room and I have young kids. I dont want to feel that I need to go hide in the basement on my laptop to chat on Chiefs Planet. Like I said before, I'm not wishing for the title to be removed, just moved into the main comment. I doubt you wouldnt see it as the headline in any regular newspaper or news site.
I had restrained from this thread but I weakened, I now regret commenting in this thread. Anyway forget it, I'm not offended, I just think the title is offensive to others.

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:26 PM
Posting a religious topic on the main forum is an invitation to an unproductive free-for-all.

free-for-alls are the best indicator for an accurate sample

Jenson71
09-25-2007, 11:28 PM
free-for-alls are the best indicator for an accurate sample

Unproductive free-for-alls indicate nothing of importance.

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:28 PM
I have young kids. I dont want to feel that I need to go hide in the basement on my laptop to chat on Chiefs Planet.

F*ck yo kids n!gga

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DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 11:28 PM
Well believe it or not there are rules and laws all over this world that, like it or not, we both follow. You can be ridiculous in your reasoning if you like but that was not my intention nor my point.my rediculous point (i guess) is that if it were profane, it wouldn't be allowed on tv or radio. The FCC has no problem with "suck" or "it" or "jesus". YOU find it offensive that it says "suck it JESUS". You are probably a Christian or your name is Jesus. Blasphemy is not illegal. Unless this is Iran, a state run by religion. If the thread was titled "suck it Buddah", you would not be offended at all. Others would. If it were "suck it Mephistopheles", only the devil worshippers would protest. My point is, CENSOR NONE OF IT. Personally, i would never have posted this thread, but i believe it has the right to be posted. See "Big Red Chiefs" post for the reason.

Frazod
09-25-2007, 11:33 PM
I had restrained from this thread but I weakened, I now regret commenting in this thread. Anyway forget it, I'm not offended, I just think the title is offensive to others.

I agree, for the same reason.

I am not a religious person in any sense. But since my reason for being here is (a) football discussion, and (b) being a part of the community, and since I like many of the people who are religious and respect their right to believe as they choose, I don't feel the need to broadcast it. There simply is no reason to do so.

Obviously, a thread entitled "Suck It Jesus" is designed to offend. To stir shit. To piss people off. To cause trouble. To bring out extremists on both sides. And guess what - it worked to perfection.

I generally like Jim, but I sure as hell don't when he pulls shit like this. IMO, this is no better than trolling. In fact, IMO, it IS trolling. Deliberately stirring controversy for the sake of stirring controversy. Like life hasn't become polarized enough.

I don't think the thread should be edited, but it should be moved to DC. For regular visitors or lurkers, seriously, SUCK IT JESUS on the front page is not the message we need to be sending at ChiefsPlanet. We shouldn't be in the religious message business at all.

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:33 PM
Unproductive free-for-alls indicate nothing of importance.

yeah...well....that's like...your opinion, man

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C-Mac
09-25-2007, 11:36 PM
Then how many people must be offended before it's offensive? Point is: it's a slippery slope.
Well if I say something very offensive to you.....how many is that?
Is it now OK to say it since no one else is offended but you?
The shock title on this thread is dealing with the most famous man that walked the earth that millions have a high respect for the way he lived his life. Do I get offended buy people who mock Jesus, no. Do I respect others thoughts, feelings, beliefs, ect. as to not willfully offend them, yes.

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 11:38 PM
Well if I say something very offensive to you.....how many is that?
Is it now OK to say it since no one else is offended but you?
The shock title on this thread is dealing with the most famous man that walked the earth that millions have a high respect for the way he lived his life. Do I get offended buy people who mock Jesus, no. Do I respect others thoughts, feelings, beliefs, ect. as to not willfully offend them, yes.

Would you feel the same way if it was "Budda"?

DomerNKC
09-25-2007, 11:39 PM
Well if I say something very offensive to you.....how many is that?
Is it now OK to say it since no one else is offended but you?
The shock title on this thread is dealing with the most famous man that walked the earth that millions have a high respect for the way he lived his life. Do I get offended buy people who mock Jesus, no. Do I respect others thoughts, feelings, beliefs, ect. as to not willfully offend them, yes.allegedly...

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:45 PM
Would you feel the same way if it was "Budda"?

even better: Allah

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:46 PM
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under Allah, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

C-Mac
09-25-2007, 11:47 PM
allegedly...

Even if its allegedly, its still what millions believe.

Jenson71
09-25-2007, 11:47 PM
even better: Allah

Allah is God. Allah and God are interchangeable.

sedated
09-25-2007, 11:52 PM
Allah is God. Allah and God are interchangeable.

not to many Americans

irishjayhawk
09-25-2007, 11:52 PM
Allah is God. Allah and God are interchangeable.

Beat me to it.