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Tribal Warfare
09-24-2007, 09:17 PM
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I think not

Nightwish
09-24-2007, 09:22 PM
Yes.

Reaper16
09-24-2007, 09:24 PM
Yes.

Nightwish
09-24-2007, 09:27 PM
Not to take anything away from Ozzy or Zakk, they're both giants in their own right. But they've been pretty firmly entrenched in the pop metal vein for quite awhile now, though they do show a spark of heavier awareness from time to time.

Tribal Warfare
09-24-2007, 09:29 PM
Yes.


Yes.


Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:


this song is so Sabbath esque it gives me chills

Nightwish
09-24-2007, 09:35 PM
Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:


this song is so Sabbath esque it gives me chillsWell, it is definitely Sabbath-esque. But compared to some of the many extremes to which metal has branched out since the old days, Sabbath was never all that heavy. They were more hard rock than metal, and they didn't really start venturing into anything I would call metal until the Dio and Gillian years (I saw the Dio lineup last night, by the way, in case anyone didn't catch my concert review thread).

Brock
09-24-2007, 09:57 PM
Zakk overuses that one sound. You know the one.

Mr Luzcious
09-24-2007, 11:00 PM
Yes, easily. I can't believe you even asked that.

DaneMcCloud
09-24-2007, 11:18 PM
"Zakk" is a poseur.

Not nearly as original or inventive as Randy Rhodes, not nearly as gifted technically or creatively as Jake, not nearly as prolific or memorable as Brad Gillis and about 10,000x less cool as the original metal master, Tony Iommi.

Other than that, he's a drunk dickhead who likes to punch people for no apparent reason.

Bowser
09-25-2007, 01:21 AM
"Zakk" is a poseur.

Not nearly as original or inventive as Randy Rhodes, not nearly as gifted technically or creatively as Jake, not nearly as prolific or memorable as Brad Gillis and about 10,000x less cool as the original metal master, Tony Iommi.

Other than that, he's a drunk dickhead who likes to punch people for no apparent reason.

Yeah, but do any of those others have a Les Paul named after them? I THINK NOT!!!

Bowser
09-25-2007, 01:22 AM
But yes, I agree with majority that there are others that destroy Zakk and Ozzy, and that's not taking anything away from those two.

Pushead2
09-25-2007, 06:39 AM
I actually like Jake the best with Ozzy, He was a amazing artist.

DaneMcCloud
09-25-2007, 09:28 AM
Yeah, but do any of those others have a Les Paul named after them? I THINK NOT!!!

No, they didn't whore themselves out to Gibson/Epiphone. Though Grover Jackson did capitalize on the two custom flying V's that he built for Randy Rhoads. As far as I know, the Rhoads family hasn't received any proceeds from the sale of those guitars in the past 25 years, even though the design was unique to Randy.

Jake never really recovered from being fired from Ozzy's band (he heard about it while hanging out at the Rainbow) and Ray's death from AIDS. He's really become a recluse, though he did release a cover record in like 2004. It's a damn shame because not only is he an amazing player, but he also has a killer tone. He's just jaded.

Nightwish
09-25-2007, 10:03 AM
I actually like Jake the best with Ozzy, He was a amazing artist.
I liked Jake's overall sound the best, but I prefer the feel of the Randy era. Not to knock Zakk's talent one iota, but he's a ways down the list of preferred Ozzy guitarists. I would put him above Brad Gillis, though, just in terms of sound preference. I liked Gillis a lot more with Night Ranger than with Ozzy.

Pushead2
09-25-2007, 10:47 AM
I liked Jake's overall sound the best, but I prefer the feel of the Randy era. Not to knock Zakk's talent one iota, but he's a ways down the list of preferred Ozzy guitarists. I would put him above Brad Gillis, though, just in terms of sound preference. I liked Gillis a lot more with Night Ranger than with Ozzy.

I can agree with that

ferrarispider95
09-25-2007, 10:49 AM
zakk is a POS and I didnt get screwed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBL4_bj02k&mode=related&search=

DaneMcCloud
09-25-2007, 11:38 AM
I liked Jake's overall sound the best, but I prefer the feel of the Randy era. Not to knock Zakk's talent one iota, but he's a ways down the list of preferred Ozzy guitarists. I would put him above Brad Gillis, though, just in terms of sound preference. I liked Gillis a lot more with Night Ranger than with Ozzy.

I prefer Jake's tone in Badlands and on his solo records to the "sound" on Bark at the Moon & The Ultimate Sin. Way to much swirling, phasey, flangey nonsense on BATM and the Ultimate Sin while better, still didn't convey his true tone.

Did you see or hear Brad Gillis with Ozzy, doing Ozzy songs (not the contractually bound "Speak of the Devil)? He was freakin' bad ass. I had a recording from the King Biscuit Flour Hour from April 1982 that was incredible. He also performed with Ozzy on an MTV concert and just shredded. It was the first time I'd ever seen a Floyd Rose on a Les Paul as well (I'd never do THAT to my Les Paul's, but whatever). Even though Brad's work in Night Ranger was stellar, I'd still rank him over "Zakk" in Ozzy.

The only guy to officially play with Ozzy who's lower on the totem pole to me is Joe Holmes. He was lame.

Reaper16
09-25-2007, 11:51 AM
Zakk overuses that one sound. You know the one.
It's called a pinch harmonic. And you're exactly right.

headsnap
09-25-2007, 11:51 AM
what, no love for Bernie Tormé? :shrug:

Reaper16
09-25-2007, 11:52 AM
Well, it is definitely Sabbath-esque. But compared to some of the many extremes to which metal has branched out since the old days, Sabbath was never all that heavy. They were more hard rock than metal, and they didn't really start venturing into anything I would call metal until the Dio and Gillian years (I saw the Dio lineup last night, by the way, in case anyone didn't catch my concert review thread).
I disagree. Heavyness does not equal speed, brutality, etc. I think Black Sabbath are a Hell of a lot more heavy than, say, the black metal genre. It's hard to get more heavy that Sabbath. Electric Wizard comes to mind.

headsnap
09-25-2007, 11:53 AM
It's called a pinch harmonic. And you're exactly right.
I do like some of Zakk's stuff, but when your signature sound can be mastered 15 minutes after you pick up a guitar, that's pretty pathetic...




headsnap, with not much room to talk, has been known to overuse the pinch a time or twenty...

headsnap
09-25-2007, 11:55 AM
Electric Wizard comes to mind.
:spock:

Electric Funeral?

Reaper16
09-25-2007, 04:07 PM
:spock:

Electric Funeral?
No, Electric Wizard (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=407)

headsnap
09-25-2007, 05:40 PM
No, Electric Wizard (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=407)

Paranoid Sweet Leaf (http://verystupidbandname.com) is even heavier!!!

Brock
09-25-2007, 05:49 PM
Paranoid Sweet Leaf (http://verystupidbandname.com) is even heavier!!!

LO effing L

Braincase
09-25-2007, 06:04 PM
I think not

Bow before Dethklok!
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DaneMcCloud
09-25-2007, 06:07 PM
Actually, to answer the original question, I think Doug Aldrich and Ronnie Dio were incredible together on "Killing the Dragon".

That record was the closest that Dio's come not only to the Vivian Campbell years (though I think Doug shreds Viv), it's the closest to a Rainbow record that Dio's recorded since the 70's.

Tribal Warfare
09-25-2007, 06:33 PM
Bow before Dethklok!
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Nathan Explosion- "That's Metal"

Molitoth
09-25-2007, 06:46 PM
Bow before Dethklok!
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That stuff is getting so popular.

Reaper16
09-25-2007, 09:12 PM
That stuff is getting so popular.
...animation?