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Chiefs Pantalones
06-02-2001, 10:46 PM
...about college, that is. I am going to college, but lately, I am getting tired of it. Its a pain. Its getting annoying.

When I graduated high school, I took a year off to settle my brain. Should have I taken a couple years off, or what? A couple of my friends that went straight to college after high school (they were very smart) ended up dropping out because they couldn't handle the constant cramming you have to do sometimes. Another one of my friends took two years off, and is doing fine in college, he told me not to go until YOU feel you are good and ready, and that by the time that the two years have passed, you also know if you really want to go to college or not.

My parents kind of forced me into the position I'm in right now, I guess. Or its the constant studying:confused: , I'm not for sure.

CG

any advice or stories you should tell me?

Chiefs Pantalones
06-02-2001, 10:49 PM
This one guy in psych (a summer class I'm taking) , was sitting there and looked kind of in "aw", I asked him what was up, and he said, this stuff is not for me, I don't like school, and walked out. I guess college isn't for everyone?

CG

gotta go for the night, thanks and good night

Logical
06-02-2001, 11:10 PM
Cody,

I started College as a 17 year old skipping my Senior year. The first semester I did great, pretty much A's so that blows the theory that a person needs to wait. I took the College Level Examination Entrance Placement exam and tested out of my freshmen year so I had the advantage of starting my College as a Sophmore (that was 72 you can no longer do this). Then a year later I was no longer motivated, other things interested me and so I quit because I could get a job as a Manager of a fast food restaurant and make $12K a year (pretty good money in 74), biggest mistake of my life. A mistake that I paid for in spades. I did well and was an acting area manager by 76, but I found out that this was not that much money in 77 when I got married. I tried to improve myself, but guess what, the 1520 on my SATs the 3.4 GPA without a degree did not mean sh!t to employers. They wanted that degree. I improved myself all the way to 18K by the end of 1980 by working an average of 90 to 100 hours a week, it was a salary job so you can figure out that I was making diddly per hour. I had lots of responsibility and awards at work, 3 kids, a wife, and no life outside of work. I got smart, went back to school while working 60 to 70 hours a week, and went for a completely different degree in Engineering. Now 6 years had went by since I left college so my CLEP hours for my Freshmen year were no longer accepted and my upper level hours towards a Chemistry degree did basically no good towards the Engineering degree I wanted. So at the age of 25 I had thrown away 87 hours towards a Chemistry degree and was back in college. I decided I was going to make it through in three years so despite working the 60 to 70 hours I took more than 20 hours each term and in three years had my Engineering degree. It was 1983 I was 28 and was a beginning Engineer at Boeing in Wichita, by 1990 I was making 50K a lot for that year but not immense, and now at 45 I am well into Six figures and also got a masters during that time.

So what is the point of all this, the point is that a lot of my fellow Management types went through and finished by 22 or 23 and now are making those high six figure salaries in their late 30s early 40s, and they did not have to sacrifice nearly as hard to get there.

I advise you and urge you to tough it out now, it will never be easier than it is at your age now. The benefits you will reap will far outweigh your sacrifices.

Good luck, and e-mail me if you have any thing you would like to talk about.

Otter
06-02-2001, 11:15 PM
Cody,

Good timing! I'm a pretty good source of info (IMHO) on this matter.

After I graduated HS I took 2 years off and worked in an iron foundry. (Horrible work BTW) I wasn't sure what I wanted to do and being the youngest from a Brady Bunch size family whose college funds were long ago exhausted, I needed some money.

I saw the same things happen that you are seeing now. People who you thought would grow up to be president wind up dropping out of college because they donít want to be there or canít handle it.

Everybody is different and there is no easy answer to your question but I could tell you this:

Waiting 2 years did me a world of good. It allowed me to see what the real world was like and mature just enough. I have very little doubt that if I would have gone to college straight out of HS, I would have partied my way out.

If your not sure what you want to do or if you want to go. Iíd say wait. Just make sure you donít waste away the waiting time. College isnít going anywhere and maybe a little time in the industry will help you determine you strengths and weaknesses and give you a better understanding of what you want to major in if you unsure.

There are downfalls however. After being out for 2 years it took a little bit to get back into the study and Ďbook learningí ways. Plus I just turned 29 and only been in my industry for 3 years now. That doesnít bother me, but its something to think about.

2 last pieces of advice: 1.) I donít know your financial situation but college is very expensive. Donít waste the large amounts of money it takes to go through. 2.) If you do know what you want and feel your ready for the college years, go for it! College is one of the best times in most peoples lives. It was mine!


MmmMMmmm Ė College girls

California Injun
06-02-2001, 11:17 PM
Cody,

I did the community college thing right out of high school and so did about 60% of my classmates. It felt like a 5th year of high school.

So I took just enough classes to qualify for sports and then dropped them all after the final game of the season.

I left home at 19 for SoCal with a job and did not return to college until reaching 28. Those 9 years got all of the vim and vigor out of my system so when I chose to pursue a higher education, I was ready to learn.

Some people are not emotionally ready and need to sow their oats with $8-10 an hour jobs and major keg parties. I worked in a refinery AWAY from my parents while pulling down $50,000 a year.

After breathing toxic chemicals for 9 years I took the leap into another profession that required a degree.

Methinks you are still within earshot of your parents home but want to start living life. Start looking for a decent job AWAY from your folks until you are ready to return for more schooling.

You're never too old to get that education.

KS Smitty
06-02-2001, 11:19 PM
Cody,
Do you know what you want to do or "where you see yourself in XX years"? That should go a ways to helping answer your questions. If not then I know a lot of people that went to made college a "career" til they figured it out. I also know people that didn't do Jack and some are doing well and some are sindking in crap. It's all up to the effort you put into it. Go For the Gold

Logical
06-02-2001, 11:43 PM
Cody,

I would like to slightly modify my advice, it is good advice if you know what you want to do. But if you do not then the year or so off extra might be a good idea. Unlike CalInjun I advise that School gets a lot hard the longer you wait.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-02-2001, 11:47 PM
I'm back, couldn't sleep.

Otter,

"MmmmMMmmm-College girls"...thats about the only thing that is keeping me motivated these days! :)

Thanks for the advice, guys...

My major is business, and I like business and all, but my worst subject is math! I am math retarded, and when I have to work on a different class, I am too busy thinking about "how in the heck am I gonna get this sh!tty math done?" I get tutored for the crap, but math is just a pain! I wish there wasn't any math...

CG

oh the sweetness...:D

Chiefs Pantalones
06-02-2001, 11:52 PM
Logical,

I am majoring in Business and I like business and all, but do you think that maybe why I'm not very motivated is that because, deep down, I don't know if that is really what I want to do or not? Maybe I need some more time to think about what I want to do, huh?

Thanks guys, this is helpful, honestly. I am not being sarcastic.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 12:17 AM
Jim and everyone,

Based on me not me being motivated and all, do you think my problem is that I really don't know what I want to do yet? Maybe I really don't no what I want to do yet? So should I take some time off to find out what I really want to do, or what?

CG

what should I do?

and thanks again

Otter
06-03-2001, 02:11 AM
Mr. Cody,

Me answering this question is like me asking you should I stick with my current girlfriend after our latest disagreement or move on to different prospects.

You don't know what goes thought my head at night and I don't know what goes through your head when all is quiet and you have no choice but grapple with your demons.

I think the others will agree with me when I say that this is a decision you must make on your own using the advice you were given only for what it is, advice from strangers.

The only true advice I can offer is to search your conscience.

keg in kc
06-03-2001, 05:44 AM
Sounds like you don't know what you want to do, which might be okay depending how far in you are. If you're not too far in, just take the time to do some soul searching and find out what really interests you. If you find something, go for it...

Now, don't be like me and stay in school just to stay in school. I hated college, and was in a degree program that I hated, and instead of figuring out what it is that I wanted to do, I just "stuck it out".

Bad move.

I spent 5 years getting a bachelor's degree. And then another two (thankfully free...) working for my masters.

Then, two weeks before graduation 1999, I had an epiphany: I hated everyone I knew (including myself) and I hated the direction/career path in which I was headed. Generally just hated everything.

So I quit. I just left. Didn't finish my degree, and basically 7 years of college went down the toilet.

We had been planning to move to Kansas City - I was originally going to work toward my doctorate here - and we continued out this direction, sans any more school. I was in deep depression which I've only begun to come out of in the last few months (although I'm still fighting it every day) and I've now been unemployed for two years with absolutely no prospects whatsoever. On a whim, I'm writing a book, and we'll see how that goes.

Hopefully it turns out well, because if I don't succeed at that, then my prospects are not very bright, to say the least: I'm not particularly bright/intelligent, I've had no employment for two years, I have a useless bachelor's degree (music composition), I have no job training whatsoever, and, if that weren't bad enough, I have no desire to put in the effort to train for anything, at least not at this point (I'm still burned-out from college, believe it or not, I may not ever want to see a classroom again).

But, I am doing something I seem to enjoy (writing), just not enough of it - it's difficult to get myself moving sometimes because of a combination of years of bad habits (escapism, basically: video games, net-surfing, TV, reading...) and depression. It's difficult sometimes to keep the writing going because I'm terrified that I'll fail, and I have a mind-set that basically the entire 27 years of my life is a failure. That's a mind-set I'm trying to change, but the only thing that can really fix it at this point is succes. Talk about pressure... ;)

That's a lot to take in (and difficult to write, for me...), and the point I'm trying to make is this: take the time to figure out what it is you want to do, don't just ride through like you're on a wave. Meditate or talk to people or pray or do whatever it is that you need to do, but just know how important it really is to have some sort of goals and a focus on your future. Don't just go to college because it's what you're expected to do or because it's something to keep you occupied. Make it mean something and make it take you somewhere. In other words, take control of your own life and your own future...

Believe me, I wish someone had given me this advice 8 years ago...

And, Cody, one last thing. This is a tough one for me: nobody can give you any answers. You're going to have to figure this one out on your own. Hopefully, though, what I've said and what the other folks have said will help you to come to the choice(s) that is best for you. And remember, you are all that matters here. What your parents think, or your friends, or anyone else doesn't matter. This is your life, and you're the only one living it. You alone suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. It's your future, your happiness, your success or failure. It may or may not involve other people in some way, but when you really cut to the quick, this is a question of what is best for you, and you alone.

Good luck! :)

47mack
06-03-2001, 06:40 AM
Here is my advice.....

College is very expensive. If you aren't there for the right reason, don't go. My wife and I are paying back about $36,000 in loans. That is a pretty low amount considering there are two of us.

I went to college straight out of high school. I had a scholarship to play soccer and was the most likely not to succeed. I damn near flunked out my first semester (thanks to beer and women), then after a long a$$ chewing courtesy of my father, I straightened up. Graduated in four years and couldn't be more happy. My roommate (best-friend from high school) had a similar story, only he was most likely to succeed. He just graduated this past May after 6 years of full time school. Funny how things turn out.

As far as your friends saying there is too much cramming....you only cram if you have to. Maybe they should of managed their time better.

Bob Dole
06-03-2001, 07:15 AM
Bob Dole is rather surprised at the number of stories similar to his own...

To summarize: Went to college straight out of high school and partied out after 2 semesters. (Funny how they don't like to renew full-ride scholarships for people with a 0.5 GPA.) Worked for a year and tried again, with the same end result.

Went back to work and did well, but decided after 5 years I was not living. I was existing. Made good money, had a company car, bought a nice house, yada yada...but my entire life consisted of work.

I went back to school because <i>I</i> wanted to be there--not because it was what I was <i>supposed</i> to do--and it made all the difference in the world. I also decided to start back at a community college because an associates degree allowed me to set a shorter-term goal.

As has already been stated: It's your decision, and you've got to do what is right for you. Don't think that if you quit now, there's no going back. (Just don't put yourself in a financial position that eliminates the option.)

47mack
06-03-2001, 07:42 AM
0.5????

and I thought my 1.35 was bad

Bob Dole
06-03-2001, 08:00 AM
Proudly posted a 0.0 semester one, then took the academic probation seriously and pulled a 1.0 second semester.

Egads.

47mack
06-03-2001, 08:02 AM
I am impressed. With the 2nd semester, that is!

You didn't over work yourself, did you?

I took a couple extra PE classes to get my eligibility back!

Phobia
06-03-2001, 10:55 AM
My path was different from most but I've played all my cards correctly and taken chances when necessary.

I KNEW I'd flunk out of college by partying too much. So, I joined the Marine Corps. However, I aced the ASVAB test so they were dying to get me. They offered me a guaranteed computer related job. I had to sign up for 5 years active duty and it was a tough life but I'd not change a thing (other than getting married @ 20 YO).

If you do consider the military, I'd join from Texas. We have no state income tax and the university incentives upon your discharge FAR outweigh anything the GI Bill provides for. It only takes 30 days to establish residency in Texas, FWIW. I didn't join from Texas because nobody told me this.

Now, I'm a network consultant and with the exception of last year, have made 6 figures + every year for the past 5 years.

Best of luck, regardless of your decision.

keg in kc
06-03-2001, 12:01 PM
Man, all you computer geeks pulling down six figures. Bastiges. I'd be lucky to make six figures combined in three years the way things are now. Too bad I don't have the brains for it.

Phobia
06-03-2001, 02:35 PM
Kyle,

The problem is, I don't have a damn thing to show for it except a bitter x-wife, a real cool Yukon, and some happy, high maintenance kids. I dunno how I managed to blow half a million dollars in 6 years but I have and I don't really live too excessively either.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 02:43 PM
Kyle, Jim, Otter, Jsmitty, KPhobia, and everyone, thanks for all the help. I really do appreciate it. I have decided that I am going to stay in school and tough it out. Thanks to all of you guys, I am going to stay in school.

I can't say thank you enough, you guys have made me realize that school is important and I should get my degree, thanks for everything!

Gotta go now, have a great rest of the day!

Cormac
06-03-2001, 02:57 PM
I'm with you Kyle......6 figures! I'm in the wrong business. I'm (hopefully) about 2 months from graduating with my PhD in veterinary science having spent the last 9 years in college, and I can't even see myself making that kind of money!!!

Grrr......;)

Cody,

I don't know what to advise you. Obviously I went straight from HS to college, and then moved here for graduate school. I think I did it this way because I wasn't ready for a steady job and an "adult life". I figured there were plenty of years for that, and I decided I wanted to stay in college for a while and make the most of those years. I have no regrets, but it doesn't get any easier either. I empathise with the constant cramming. In one semester in graduate school I had 22 exams in 15 weeks. No matter how well you organise your time, it's impossible to keep up with that without ending up cramming. At home (Ireland) where I did my under-grad, the system is a lot different. We do 2 semesters back-to-back, and have finals over a few weeks in May which count for about 60-70% of the grade. It creates a lot of pressure at the end, but it does allow you to blow off most of the year (attend classes, but party at night), until about March time.
If you're not enjoying the lifestyle in college, that's a real shame. But compare it to what your life would be like if you left. Could you get a decent job that would interest you? If the alternative doesn't sound any better, I'd advise you to take classes seriously (and party hard too) in the meantime. Is the grass greener on the other side? Only you know. Good luck in the decision :).

Cormac
06-03-2001, 02:57 PM
Doh! Too late :D

California Injun
06-03-2001, 05:49 PM
Bob Dole,

I think I can top your 0.0 for first semester.

I went to college just to play for the tennis team. Problem was, you had to carry at least 12 units to qualify for matches.

So I signed up for 18, with a 6 unit cushion for possible drops.

The season starts and I discovered post match celebrations lasted until the next scheduled opponent. Couple that with us travelling with the female tennis team made for plenty on sequels to the Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice mini-series.

With about a week to go in the season, an epiphany hit me as the final day to drop your classes was the same afternoon of our last match.

Match time was 3PM, admissions office closed at 5:30PM.

I dusted my opponent 6-0, 6-1 and then excused myself for a "bathroom break". Ran to admissions and withdrew from all my classes.

My final GPA........ "W"

chiefsfan58
06-03-2001, 08:35 PM
hey wait a sec Cody....

I thought you were 15??? in college already???

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 08:37 PM
And your point is?...:rolleyes:

CG

who are you?

keg in kc
06-03-2001, 08:37 PM
He's "Cody - the Boy Wonder"!!! :D

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 08:39 PM
I'm the 15 year old that has facial hair. Are there any of those?:p

keg in kc
06-03-2001, 08:39 PM
I had facial hair at 15.

chiefsfan58
06-03-2001, 08:40 PM
I'm confused :confused:

for some reason, maybe I'm wrong, but in the back of my head I remember reading you were 15 in one thread...

and your going to college ....?

keg in kc
06-03-2001, 08:40 PM
As a matter of fact, I shaved more at 15 than I do now at 27. Maybe "groom" myself once a week now. I like the rough look. ;)

chiefsfan58
06-03-2001, 08:44 PM
no, but seriously.... am I just imagining things, or was there a thread that said you were 15?

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 08:45 PM
The rough look is good, IMO. Especially when you over sleep and don't have enough time to get ready:D

Logical
06-03-2001, 09:14 PM
Cody,

First I missed your decision post that is great. Forget about the rest of this, maybe save it for if you change your mind.

God's Speed

I have had my wifes relatives in this weekend so sorry for taking so long to get back to you. First a Business degree if you hate math may be torture. I will let you know that accountants and financial analysts will manipulate the math for you when you are in the business world and in management. But getting to management without performing the math probably means an MBA and some luck. You indeed may have the wrong major. After reading your post and others advice I advise you to visit your academic counseling office and check on two things. One is there a summer internship program you can get into so you get a feel for what your major is leading to for your future. The othere is some aptitude testing and tests on what your predisposed towards emotionally and psychologically. Though I am not a believer in pshychology and counseling for emotional rehabililitation. These tests are where science and probability theory come together to do some actual good. If the results of your testing says you are not well suited for a career that a Business Administration degree will lead too. Then another year off might be a good idea. But do not just totally blow it either, yes have fun but use the time to research what interests you and maybe even work around the career field you think you might eventually want for you life.

My strongest advice is try to find something you not only like but actually would love doing. If you make that your choice your life will be so much better. I literally love going to work and find that when I am off I miss my job. My job is my hobby and my avocation, I will never regret the sacrifices I made because of the joy I get from my work.

This is what I wish for you. If that means taking another 12 or even 24 months off to figure it out then that will be time well invested. Remember though most careers worth having will require math, English skills and the ability to think quickly and react with the right choices. The most important thing you will gain from college is not found in the books, but is the ability to priortize properly, learn quickly and the ability to adapt to changing circumstances. Most of the rest you will learn, forget, then know how to look it up and use it if needed when the time comes.

I am no life counselor Cody, but I have lived a diverse life and hope that things you have heard from me and others makes your life choices a little less tough.

Good luck
Sincerely
Logical Jim

DanT
06-03-2001, 09:20 PM
Here's some advice:

While in school, you should try to take some good humanities and social sciences courses. They'll give you a richer life, a better idea of human limits and potential and a resistance to being enslaved by others, especially the idiots and charlatans who like to peddle political, economic and religious nonsense.

For example, good courses in history, literature and economics would serve anyone well. It's very useful (and entertaining, besides) to study ancient Greek and Roman writers for the insight into human nature that they offer.

Education shouldn't be just job training. The goal is to know and strive for life's best things--truth, beauty, justice, etc. Anyway, even though those are lifelong goals, school is one place where you can focus on the pursuit. There's a lot of graduates with good jobs but impoverished lives. Don't be one of 'em!

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 09:23 PM
Jim,

I know that the math will be tough, but I am going to go into Human Resources. I'm interested in that stuff, and would like to do that. Math tutors? You bet!!!:D

CG

I have planned on majoring in Business ever since my sophmore year, but I am putting an emphasis on HR.

Thoughts?

Logical
06-03-2001, 09:31 PM
Human Resources is an excellent choice for someone who does not like performing the math. Cody, you need to be able to understand what is presented to you, and smart enought to be able to challenge the numbers if you doubt them, but this sounds like the right side of the business domain for you. Take the reorganization of Business and Business culture classes seriously. I suggest you get a job with your bachelors and pursue your masters when you are ready. Just understand that to get far you will eventually need that MBA.

You seem poised and confident in your decision, that is great.

DanT,

If that advice came from anyone else I would be giving the full on raspberry to it. From you it somehow seems reasonable. My only comment is it seems you really like school and clearly Cody does not share that love. I just wanted to get school over with and get my career started. I read, enjoy music, theater, and movies on my own time, it is far more enjoyable when no grades and pressure is tied to those type of pursuits. So if it is OK I will endorse your thoughts just away from the pressures of school.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 09:31 PM
Jim,

Thanks and congrads to you and your success! And remember, you, and everyone else on this BB, were a big help in making my decision, the right decision. I thank you all for that.

This guy I go to church with was a Bus. major/HR emphasis and is terrible at math. He took Math 087, 088, 089 his first year of college, and worked his way up. He got his masters just two years ago and has a good job. He still hates and sucks at math, he says.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 09:38 PM
Jim,

This might sound stupid, but how long does it take to get your masters?

I didn't plan on going that far, until now, but tell me about it?

I don't have my college catelog with me.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-03-2001, 09:44 PM
Please tell me about it, and I'll read about it tomorrow. I have class tomorrow, so I gotta get some Zs.

CG

thanks again Jim, you have been very helpful and I appreciate it!

Logical
06-03-2001, 09:56 PM
Cody,

I am an obsessive person, as you probably have guessed. It only took me two years, because I took a program where we went all day Friday and Saturdays every other week taking the maximum load. There are lots of program like this and I highly recommend them over the night school route. The problem with night school is that it requires you to figure out the curriculum and schedules and make everything fit. These direct programs have it all set up, if you are doing it your company is most likely sponsoring your participation so they want you to succeed and you get the support you need.

After you read this, ask any other questions you would like.

Jim

keg in kc
06-04-2001, 07:09 AM
Cody, my masters (had I not blown off my oral exams and finished my last two weeks of classes so I graduated...) only took two years as well, although I didn't work whilest doing it. Well, I did work actually, since I was a graduate assistant and then a teaching assistant, but I didn't have a job outside of the college environment.

That was a cool way to go actually, got tuition and a significant stipend (more than enough for living expenses) to go to my classes, teach a few other classes and grade a few papers every week. Really a sweet deal if you can get it, but it takes some work to land assistanceships, and a little luck too.

(another case of "who you know" being more important than "what you know"...)

Jim's advice is valid.

You should also ask yourself why you're in business. I had a lot of business major friends in college and half of them (really...) told me they were in business because it was easy and they could party all the time (which they did, not that, err, I partied with them...;)). A lot of them would say they didn't know what they wanted to do, as well.

Of course they probably all have jobs now...

I would actually tend to agree with DanT. I went to a liberal arts school, and while I wouldn't necessarily go that route (I hated most of the classes outside of my major because I had to take them; the ones I wanted to take were different...) I think it's good to throw a little curveball into your routine, and often you'll find that it will open new avenues of thinking. If there's anything that interests you, say philosophy or oceanography or anything non-business, hey, it doesn't hurt to take a basic course. My two favorite classes in my 7 years of college were a religion and ethics class and a basic astronomy course, and my degree was in music...