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penchief
10-06-2007, 03:32 PM
I totaled my Honda Civic last night and need to buy a new car. Because I planned on driving my civic until it died I really don't know what's out there. I'm just now starting my research in earnest but I welcome any advice, knowledge, or experiences.

I'm looking for something inexpensive, reliable, and gets great gas mileage. I really thought that if I made my Civic last another five years that the car market would be a lot friendlier to those terms in the future but I'm stuck looking now.

HonestChieffan
10-06-2007, 03:35 PM
Avoid Ford for sure, anything made by dodge is a plastic POS. GM has some sweet deals running and has some high mileage cars.

Look at the VW...good mileage roomy and fun to drive and a Mini...cool lil ride.

Japs tried to kill my old man so I never even look at their stuff.

Baconeater
10-06-2007, 03:37 PM
Toyota.

BigMeatballDave
10-06-2007, 03:38 PM
Ask Jake. He LOVES imports... :)

BigMeatballDave
10-06-2007, 03:40 PM
I have a Dodge Ram. If I could afford it, I wouldve gotten a Pilot or a Ridgeline.

pikesome
10-06-2007, 03:42 PM
Look at the VW...good mileage roomy and fun to drive and a Mini...cool lil ride.


I bought a 2007 GLI Jetta and I've been really happy with it so far. It gets better milage than the 2000 Bravda it replaced (which it should) and is pretty fun to drive. Mine has the comp controlled manual/automatic and I have no complaints. It's not the same as a real stick but there's no suckage.

penchief
10-06-2007, 03:49 PM
I bought a 2007 GLI Jetta and I've been really happy with it so far. It gets better milage than the 2000 Bravda it replaced (which it should) and is pretty fun to drive. Mine has the comp controlled manual/automatic and I have no complaints. It's not the same as a real stick but there's no suckage.

Sounds nice.

Buck
10-06-2007, 03:50 PM
What happened?

I gotta a Honda Civic too, just curious?

Frazod
10-06-2007, 03:51 PM
Maybe you should get another used Civic.

That'll probably be my next car.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 03:52 PM
Maybe you should get another used Civic.

That'll probably be my next car.

fraz in a honda? I've lost all respect for you dude ROFL

ImuMamalukabubuday
10-06-2007, 03:52 PM
take a look at the new nissan altima. I've never driven one, but I know they are inexpensive, and I think they look better than the maximas. The Nissan's should run forever just like the Honda...I just think Nissan makes better looking cars, and I used to own an Accord. I switched to Infiniti a few months ago and absolutely love it, and they are made by Nissan.

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 03:54 PM
You can never go wrong with a Civic or Accord.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 03:55 PM
buy this car, I see them all over France:

http://www.smartusa.com/

Frazod
10-06-2007, 03:56 PM
fraz in a honda? I've lost all respect for you dude ROFL

I'm just tired of getting assraped at the gas pump. Who knows how expensive gas will be two or three years from now - five, six, seven bucks a gallon? F#ck that.

I won't like it, but my next car will be all about value and fuel economy.

BigMeatballDave
10-06-2007, 03:57 PM
The 2008 Accord Coupe looks badass...http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2008/Honda/2008.honda.accord.20151167-E.jpg

BigMeatballDave
10-06-2007, 03:58 PM
I won't like it, but my next car will be all about value and fuel economy.Same here. I kinda regret buying a fullsize truck.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 03:58 PM
I'm just tired of getting assraped at the gas pump. Who knows how expensive gas will be two or three years from now - five, six, seven bucks a gallon? F#ck that.

I won't like it, but my next car will be all about value and fuel economy.

same link then

http://www.smartusa.com/

pikesome
10-06-2007, 04:00 PM
same link then

http://www.smartusa.com/

It looks like you should have to put a couple pennies in the back. You know, for that hot wheelie action.

Frazod
10-06-2007, 04:01 PM
Same here. I kinda regret buying a fullsize truck.

My Impala is big and comfy, but it gets terrible mileage, especially around town.

C-Mac
10-06-2007, 04:01 PM
I totaled my Honda Civic last night and need to buy a new car. Because I planned on driving my civic until it died I really don't know what's out there. I'm just now starting my research in earnest but I welcome any advice, knowledge, or experiences.

I'm looking for something inexpensive, reliable, and gets great gas mileage. I really thought that if I made my Civic last another five years that the car market would be a lot friendlier to those terms in the future but I'm stuck looking now.

Hey...what year was your Honda?
I'm in need of a couple of parts. :)

Frazod
10-06-2007, 04:02 PM
same link then

http://www.smartusa.com/

I'll never be THAT concerned with economy.

Civics are actually roomier than you think. I can fit comfortably in the front or back seat (my neighbor has one).

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 04:03 PM
My Impala is big and comfy, but it gets terrible mileage, especially around town.


Its better to be smart than cool..

Frazod
10-06-2007, 04:05 PM
Its better to be smart than cool..

There's very little cool about an Impala. It's just big and comfy. Reasonably fast.

And depressing as hell when your last car was a red Mustang. :sulk:

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:05 PM
I'll never be THAT concerned with economy.

Civics are actually roomier than you think. I can fit comfortably in the front or back seat (my neighbor has one).

Fraz, I've driven a Smart over here. With the exception of no back seat, I fit better in it than I do my BMW or any Japanese car I've ever drove.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:06 PM
There's very little cool about an Impala. It's just big and comfy. Reasonably fast.

And depressing as hell when your last car was a red Mustang. :sulk:


shit Fraz, I thought you still had the 'Stang To go from a 'Stang to an Impala... :shake:

Frazod
10-06-2007, 04:07 PM
Fraz, I've driven a Smart over here. With the exception of no back seat, I fit better in it than I do my BMW or any Japanese car I've ever drove.

No passenger room, tiny trunk. That's one of the main reasons I got rid of the Mustang.

I just couldn't do it.

Frazod
10-06-2007, 04:07 PM
shit Fraz, I thought you still had the 'Stang To go from a 'Stang to an Impala... :shake:

Tell me about it. :deevee:

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:08 PM
No passenger room, tiny trunk. That's one of the main reasons I got rid of the Mustang.

I just couldn't do it.

Smarts have neither ;-) But they are fun to drive

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 04:12 PM
anybody on here have a Mini-Cooper? Those would be fun to drive.

morphius
10-06-2007, 04:12 PM
It looks like you should have to put a couple pennies in the back. You know, for that hot wheelie action.
LOL! I remember those, and yes it does.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:13 PM
anybody on here have a Mini-Cooper? Those would be fun to drive.

I test drove one the same time as the BMW I bought last year. It was fun, but there was enough that made me go ?huh? that I didn't buy it.

Frazod
10-06-2007, 04:15 PM
anybody on here have a Mini-Cooper? Those would be fun to drive.

I thought about it, but that's a BMW product. I don't want to have to pay $500 a piece for new windshield wipers.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:17 PM
I thought about it, but that's a BMW product. I don't want to have to pay $500 a piece for new windshield wipers.

It gets even worse, they're closing the England factory ;-)

And when my starter went out on the Beemer it was only $375 ROFL

Skip Towne
10-06-2007, 04:18 PM
buy this car, I see them all over France:

http://www.smartusa.com/
Aren't you afraid those would get low on gas and surrender?

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:29 PM
Aren't you afraid those would get low on gas and surrender?

they are made in Germany, Skip (a sub of Daimler) :D

I'd be more afraid they'd try to whip the Kia's and Hyundai's into shape ROFL

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 04:30 PM
You could always trade your Impala for a Hummer Frazod... :)

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:52 PM
You could always trade your Impala for a Hummer Frazod... :)

I'd trade my beemer and my jeep for a good hummer... oh wait, you were talking about that POS made by GM... never mind.

:D

mikeyis4dcats.
10-06-2007, 04:55 PM
we got an 07 Mercury Milan, and like it very much.

Bob Dole
10-06-2007, 04:55 PM
they are made in Germany, Skip (a sub of Daimler) :D

Then why does their website say:

"People know smart is different just by driving by our smartville production facilities in Hambach, France."

http://www.smartusa.com/smart-fortwo-ecology-production.aspx

BigMeatballDave
10-06-2007, 04:56 PM
shit Fraz, I thought you still had the 'Stang To go from a 'Stang to an Impala... :shake:I think the new Impala SS has a V8 option.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 04:57 PM
Then why does their website say:

"People know smart is different just by driving by our smartville production facilities in Hambach, France."

http://www.smartusa.com/smart-fortwo-ecology-production.aspx


So the dumb frogs lie to me over here? :D

It is owned by Daimler though ;-)

On any given day while out on a smoke break, I see 10 - 15 car carries go by full of them.

Give me a break Mr Dole, I'm 5000 miles from home right now :D

redsurfer11
10-06-2007, 05:54 PM
I totaled my Honda Civic last night and need to buy a new car. Because I planned on driving my civic until it died I really don't know what's out there. I'm just now starting my research in earnest but I welcome any advice, knowledge, or experiences.

I'm looking for something inexpensive, reliable, and gets great gas mileage. I really thought that if I made my Civic last another five years that the car market would be a lot friendlier to those terms in the future but I'm stuck looking now.

Test drive a Mazda3 speed.WWWWWWWOW. Fun car.

grandllama
10-06-2007, 05:58 PM
I think the new Impala SS has a V8 option.

Still doesn't change the fact that it is an impala ;-)

Frazod
10-06-2007, 06:01 PM
Still doesn't change the fact that it is an impala ;-)

Actually, they're pretty bad ass. But if I had the money for one, I'd probably get one of the suped-up chargers.

tommykat
10-06-2007, 06:09 PM
Look into a hybrid? Heck what 50 miles on the road....I had a Honda Accord for 10 yrs. Sold it with only 40,000 miles on it......bad mistake.:banghead: But I was able to get my Honda CRV after my Mom passed away. I love it, but 21-22 in town is not great with gas prices. I'd stay with Honda, but the hybrids are cool.

Logical
10-06-2007, 06:25 PM
A friend at work has a Prius and did not have to spend a fortune. Car is getting 45 mpg and looks OK

http://www.hybridcars.com/images/prius2.jpg

pikesome
10-06-2007, 06:32 PM
A friend at work has a Prius and did not have to spend a fortune. Car is getting 45 mpg and looks OK

http://www.hybridcars.com/images/prius2.jpg

But then you run into this problem:
http://www.mgroves.com/images/south_park_smug.jpg

Come on People now, People Now;
People now, Come on People now.
Got to drive hybrids people now, people now, people now, people now
Hybrids are for people now, people now,
Good for people driving people now, get a hybrid be good people now

We have all got to be people now, people driving hybrid people now;
people now people now hybrid now,
Hybrid people driving people now
Come on people lets be people now, hybrid people driving people now
Come on everybody be people now. Come on everybody be people now.

Al Bundy
10-06-2007, 06:34 PM
ehhh buy a 1970 olds 442... you can't go wrong.

jollymon
10-06-2007, 06:35 PM
eh that cuts out trucks also dunnit?

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 06:38 PM
I had a Honda Accord for 10 yrs. Sold it with only 40,000 miles on itl.

You had a car for 10 years with only 40,000 miles? Wow. DId you only drive it like 3 miles a day??

Skip Towne
10-06-2007, 06:51 PM
anybody on here have a Mini-Cooper? Those would be fun to drive.
I could load one of those into my Astrovan.

Baconeater
10-06-2007, 06:57 PM
You had a car for 10 years with only 40,000 miles? Wow. DId you only drive it like 3 miles a day??
ROFL My mom has an '88 Escort with about 50K on it.

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 06:57 PM
ROFL My mom has an '88 Escort with about 50K on it.

Wow....incredible.

Valiant
10-06-2007, 07:20 PM
I totaled my Honda Civic last night and need to buy a new car. Because I planned on driving my civic until it died I really don't know what's out there. I'm just now starting my research in earnest but I welcome any advice, knowledge, or experiences.

I'm looking for something inexpensive, reliable, and gets great gas mileage. I really thought that if I made my Civic last another five years that the car market would be a lot friendlier to those terms in the future but I'm stuck looking now.


smartcar by Mercedes...

Ugly but it gets 40mpg and starts at under 12k and ends around 16k..

Easy 6
10-06-2007, 07:29 PM
Heres a novel idea...how about buying American???

There are plenty of American mades that get 30+, my fave gas saver at the moment is the Saturn Aura...gets 30 even.

As for Dishonestchieffans assertion that Dodge is junk, he's more full of shit than a port-a-john at the county fair...they havent went in for the smaller gas savers yet, but they sure as hell ARE good cars & trucks.

penchief
10-06-2007, 07:31 PM
What happened?

I gotta a Honda Civic too, just curious?

It was my fault. I was switching the radio back and forth between Sirius NFL radio and an AM broadcast of the Yankees game. I was going about 45mph and came up on a curve and went off the shoulder. The problem was that it was at the foot of someone's driveway so when I hit the gravel I couldn't pull it back. I took out their mail box and then hit the front end of the guard rail head on, which sent me into the ditch while also flipping me onto my top.

I came out of it fine other than scrapes from crawling out of the passenger side broken window. Other than that, I woke up this morning just a little stiff.

It made me sick, though. I loved my car because it was all the things I like in transportation (mostly because it was paid for). Also, I pride myself on being a good driver and this is my first accident other than hitting a deer. But I do find solace in the fact that it could have been much worse for me.

penchief
10-06-2007, 07:35 PM
Hey...what year was your Honda?
I'm in need of a couple of parts. :)

2000. Let me know now because I'm going back to the wreckers to clean out my car on Monday morning. I don't have a problem helping a brother out if I can.

alnorth
10-06-2007, 07:36 PM
I am probably in the vast minority because I bought a new 2007 Ford Focus ST last September. 17,000 miles later and only a couple tires replaced due to me hitting a chunk of metal in the road, it seems to be doing fine at about 30 mpg.

We'll see if it breaks down or not in a couple years when the warranty goes away.

Valiant
10-06-2007, 07:36 PM
Heres a novel idea...how about buying American???

There are plenty of American mades that get 30+, my fave gas saver at the moment is the Saturn Aura...gets 30 even.

As for Dishonestchieffans assertion that Dodge is junk, he's more full of shit than a port-a-john at the county fair...they havent went in for the smaller gas savers yet, but they sure as hell ARE good cars & trucks.


How many models are actually made in America??

Buck
10-06-2007, 07:36 PM
2000. Let me know now because I'm going back to the wreckers to clean out my car on Monday morning. I don't have a problem helping a brother out if I can.

I got a 2000 Honda Civic too...

Did you not have insurance?

Easy 6
10-06-2007, 07:41 PM
How many models are actually made in America??

Thats a bit of a different story, there are still a LOT of plants here in the U.S....but its true that many are made either in Canada or Mexico.

Atleast their American owned.

penchief
10-06-2007, 07:43 PM
I got a 2000 Honda Civic too...

Did you not have insurance?

Yeah, but when I hit a deer back in the spring, they almost wanted to total it out then. I'll probably look into how much it will raise my insurance but if it is too much I'll just let it go. My problem is that I'm an avid driver. Country drives are kind of a sanctuary for me. Even though it was a 2000 I had over 170,000 miles on it. Sad part is that it still ran like the day it was new.

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 07:48 PM
Even though it was a 2000 I had over 170,000 miles on it. Sad part is that it still ran like the day it was new.

I have a 2000 Accord EX with 84,000 miles on it. Runs like i bought it yesterday. Great car.

alnorth
10-06-2007, 07:58 PM
Yeah, but when I hit a deer back in the spring, they almost wanted to total it out then. I'll probably look into how much it will raise my insurance but if it is too much I'll just let it go. My problem is that I'm an avid driver. Country drives are kind of a sanctuary for me. Even though it was a 2000 I had over 170,000 miles on it. Sad part is that it still ran like the day it was new.

An at-fault accident lasts for 3 years. When you get the $ increase from your agent, then (assuming you have 6-month policies) take the increase, multiply it by 6, and compare to the middle blue book value minus deductible. If the 3 year increase is larger, open up your check book. If not, submit the claim and pay the rate increase.

penchief
10-06-2007, 08:04 PM
An at-fault accident lasts for 3 years. When you get the $ increase from your agent, then (assuming you have 6-month policies) take the increase, multiply it by 6, and compare to the middle blue book value minus deductible. If the 3 year increase is larger, open up your check book. If not, submit the claim and pay the rate increase.

Thanks. That's the kind of advice that will come in very useful.

alnorth
10-06-2007, 08:08 PM
Thanks. That's the kind of advice that will come in very useful.

I should probably clarify that 3 years is not written in stone. If an insurance company can convince the Missouri Dept. of Insurance (or whatever state you live in) to let them surcharge for 5 years, only 2 years, or whatever, then they can do whatever the state will allow. However, as a general rule of thumb most companies drop accident surcharges after 3 years. Ask your agent how long an at-fault accident would hurt your rate.

penchief
10-06-2007, 08:11 PM
I should probably clarify that 3 years is not written in stone. If an insurance company can convince the Missouri Dept. of Insurance (or whatever state you live in) to let them surcharge for 5 years, only 2 years, or whatever, then they can do whatever the state will allow. However, as a general rule of thumb most companies drop accident surcharges after 3 years. Ask your agent how long an at-fault accident would hurt your rate.

Again, thanks.

recxjake
10-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Saturn Aura Hybrid-

Great value, and great looking IMO

Built in Kansas.

http://www.saturn.com/saturn/vehicles/aura/overview.jsp

I can get you a GM supplier discount if you want too.

penchief
10-06-2007, 08:21 PM
Saturn Aura Hybrid-

Great value, and great looking IMO

Built in Kansas.

http://www.saturn.com/saturn/vehicles/aura/overview.jsp

I can get you a GM supplier discount if you want too.

Damn, that's nice of you. Let me do some research. I might take you up on that if I like what I find.

Deberg_1990
10-06-2007, 08:22 PM
Saturn Aura Hybrid-



For a GM, thats not a bad looking vehicle...

Silock
10-06-2007, 08:24 PM
Why not get another Civic? The new ones are great, especially the new Si.

It's got the same engine as the one I have in my car, and I get over 325 miles to the tank.

I own 3 GMs. I'll never buy another one. Resale value that drops like a rock and the reliability of marrying a porn star.

C-Mac
10-06-2007, 08:30 PM
2000. Let me know now because I'm going back to the wreckers to clean out my car on Monday morning. I don't have a problem helping a brother out if I can.

Got any pics of the car as it sits?
I might just buy the whole thing from you if you want to sell it.

penchief
10-06-2007, 08:41 PM
Got any pics of the car as it sits?
I might just buy the whole thing from you if you want to sell it.

I can take one first thing Monday morning when the wrecker place opens up.

penchief
10-06-2007, 08:46 PM
Why not get another Civic? The new ones are great, especially the new Si.

It's got the same engine as the one I have in my car, and I get over 325 miles to the tank.

I own 3 GMs. I'll never buy another one. Resale value that drops like a rock and the reliability of marrying a porn star.

My happiness with this Civic puts it at the top of my list. By I'm a type-A personality and have no choice but to shop everything. Plus, change can be refreshing. If I go with another Honda I'm going to seriously consider the hybrid.

unlurking
10-06-2007, 09:40 PM
Just looking, haven't read the thread yet, but thought I would give my totally drunken opinion (glad Firefox has a built in spell check now).

I bought a 2003 Suzuki Grand Vitara for $17,000 brand new. It is now 3 years and 3 months old. It has 119,000 miles on it. It gets 24 mpg highway (pretty much all I drive). The manufacturer recommended time between oil changes is 7500 miles, one helluva incentice. At 104,000 miles I replaced the clutch for $600 at a Suzuki dealership. It still drives the exact same way as when I took it off the lot.

I figure that over 200,000 miles (this thing is a rock, and I don't expect any more repairs before 200k), this car will have cost me 17,000 original, 600 clutch, 1400 oil changes (full synthetic); for a total of $19,000. That's $10.53 per mile + gas.

I don't know if that's good or bad, but I needed a 4 wheel drive vehicle to take me to work every day (135+ miles round trip), that was cheap.

Again, I'm not rating for or against other vehicles, just providing the experiences of my current vehicle for your review. While it has been a rock solid performer (got a free rental for the 2 days it was getting the clutch replaced), it is definitely a "cheap" vehicle. It will easily do 200,000 miles from what I can tell so far, and will be by far, the cheapest per mile vehicle I have ever owned.

DISCLAIMER: The new GV is the old XL-7 unit (2.7 liter engine), which I assume is just as durable. The new XL-7 is made with a GM engine, and I have no idea its durability, but wouldn't test with my own $$$.

Conclusion: There is probably no other vehicle cheaper than the '03 GV that could have gotten me to and from work (130+ miles) every day in snow storms.

Would I buy again: Only if I expected to put 20k+ miles a year on it. Yes it is durable and a proven performer, but I do not plan on living 65+ miles from the office again.

tommykat
10-06-2007, 10:18 PM
You had a car for 10 years with only 40,000 miles? Wow. DId you only drive it like 3 miles a day??

7 miles, but then I was married then and took the truck. :D

DenverDanChiefsFan
10-06-2007, 10:34 PM
Heres a novel idea...how about buying American???

There are plenty of American mades that get 30+, my fave gas saver at the moment is the Saturn Aura...gets 30 even.

As for Dishonestchieffans assertion that Dodge is junk, he's more full of shit than a port-a-john at the county fair...they havent went in for the smaller gas savers yet, but they sure as hell ARE good cars & trucks.ROFLROFL you mean Mexican made? Hell, most of the Toyotas sold here are made here. Time to come into present day and open your eyes.

recxjake
10-06-2007, 11:23 PM
ROFLROFL you mean Mexican made? Hell, most of the Toyotas sold here are made here. Time to come into present day and open your eyes.

GM plants in America... 70+
Toyota plants in America 13

jeffery
10-06-2007, 11:50 PM
you know toyota has a plant right here in MO. they build engine blocks...besides i love my X-Runner

vincent
10-07-2007, 12:16 AM
We have an 02 Accord with almost 150k on it...still runs perfect...

We just bought an 04 Acura MDX about 3 months ago...Perfect Midsize SUV for our family...pretty friggin nice, too.

IMO you can't lose with Honda/Acura...

They will run forever...

...unless you wreck them... ;)

We also have a 96 Ford Taurus POS that i use for my everyday driving...it's for sale, but I wouldn't want it, if I were you.

HemiEd
10-07-2007, 04:38 AM
Heres a novel idea...how about buying American???

There are plenty of American mades that get 30+, my fave gas saver at the moment is the Saturn Aura...gets 30 even.

As for Dishonestchieffans assertion that Dodge is junk, he's more full of shit than a port-a-john at the county fair...they havent went in for the smaller gas savers yet, but they sure as hell ARE good cars & trucks.

All True.

HonestChieffan
10-07-2007, 07:55 AM
We saw SmartCars all over Europe and they are a for real car....dumbass US govt needs to allow them here and soon

Simplex3
10-07-2007, 08:46 AM
As for Dishonestchieffans assertion that Dodge is junk, he's more full of shit than a port-a-john at the county fair...they havent went in for the smaller gas savers yet, but they sure as hell ARE good cars & trucks.
Yes, Chrysler products are great. The transmission in my 300M with ~60k miles is going great after it's second rebuild. The radio has issues, the window motors are dying, and there's something loose in the driver's window that pops when it hits the top or bottom. Also, the automatic headlights freak out and start flashing like strobe lights while I drive. Great car.

Easy 6
10-07-2007, 08:49 AM
Yes, Chrysler products are great. The transmission in my 300M with ~60k miles is going great after it's second rebuild. The radio has issues, the window motors are dying, and there's something loose in the driver's window that pops when it hits the top or bottom. Also, the automatic headlights freak out and start flashing like strobe lights while I drive. Great car.

Every car on the market can & does have issues from time to time.

Anytime people have a hand in making something, theres a possibility for mistakes.

Didnt Nissan just have a MASSIVE recall...yeah, i thought so.

Easy 6
10-07-2007, 08:55 AM
Every car on the market can & does have issues from time to time.

Anytime people have a hand in making something, theres a possibility for mistakes.

Didnt Nissan just have a MASSIVE recall...yeah, i thought so.

I've met several people who could not be happier with their 300's.

BigMeatballDave
10-07-2007, 09:08 AM
Yes, Chrysler products are great. The transmission in my 300M with ~60k miles is going great after it's second rebuild. The radio has issues, the window motors are dying, and there's something loose in the driver's window that pops when it hits the top or bottom. Also, the automatic headlights freak out and start flashing like strobe lights while I drive. Great car.Jesus. This doesn't give me high hopes for my '07 Ram.
:(

Simplex3
10-07-2007, 09:09 AM
Every car on the market can & does have issues from time to time.

Anytime people have a hand in making something, theres a possibility for mistakes.

Didnt Nissan just have a MASSIVE recall...yeah, i thought so.
Our Dodge minivan doesn't like to start and has had several power steering problems. Also, the last dealership left one of the 4 bolts that hold the chassis under the engine out and didn't put the brakes back together properly. The rear wiper has been broken way more than it's worked. We've had to replace CV joints in it, too. Now it doesn't like to start the first time and nobody is really sure why.

My last Dodge Intrepid had more problems than I could shake a stick at. My wifes Saturn was the biggest POS of the bunch.

I owned a VW Jetta that was awesome. The only problem that car had was that DuPont (an American company) sold them clearcoat and paint that wouldn't adhere to eachother properly. VW repainted that car 3 times for free and gave me a rental car each time, no questions asked.

Here in a few months I'll be trading the 300M in for a Toyota minivan. Then our Dodge minivan will be traded in for a Toyota Corolla. I've given American cars their chance and they have failed me time and time again.

Simplex3
10-07-2007, 09:10 AM
I've met several people who could not be happier with their 300's.
Really? I know three and every one of them has the headlight issue and two have had the transmission rebuilt.

Easy 6
10-07-2007, 09:15 AM
Our Dodge minivan doesn't like to start and has had several power steering problems. Also, the last dealership left one of the 4 bolts that hold the chassis under the engine out and didn't put the brakes back together properly. The rear wiper has been broken way more than it's worked. We've had to replace CV joints in it, too. Now it doesn't like to start the first time and nobody is really sure why.

My last Dodge Intrepid had more problems than I could shake a stick at. My wifes Saturn was the biggest POS of the bunch.

I owned a VW Jetta that was awesome. The only problem that car had was that DuPont (an American company) sold them clearcoat and paint that wouldn't adhere to eachother properly. VW repainted that car 3 times for free and gave me a rental car each time, no questions asked.

Here in a few months I'll be trading the 300M in for a Toyota minivan. Then our Dodge minivan will be traded in for a Toyota Corolla. I've given American cars their chance and they have failed me time and time again.

Hell, that sounds more like karma than anything.

Dodge/Chrysler minivans have been #1 since the day they started the segment in '84...right now, only 3 other makers even produce minivans ...why you might ask???...because most others werent even able to compete.

Simplex3
10-07-2007, 09:18 AM
Hell, that sounds more like karma than anything.
Yes. It's karma paying me back for stupidly continuing to buy American cars.

burt
10-07-2007, 09:39 AM
Hell, that sounds more like karma than anything.

Dodge/Chrysler minivans have been #1 since the day they started the segment in '84...right now, only 3 other makers even produce minivans ...why you might ask???...because most others werent even able to compete.

History show the Dodge/Chrysler has had a LOT of troubles. They sell because they are a cheap minivan, with tons of great features. The Sienna is significantly better, but significantly more $$. Anyone purchasing a minivan must weigh the benefits vs. cost. I would, personally, spend the extra and go with the Toyota minivan, but then again, the life time warranty is interesting.

That said, there are MANY great choices out there. I, obviously, would look at Chevy for a new vehicle. The new Malibu, being released within weeks, will be a great vehicle with lots of room, and 30 mpg on the highway.

I like driving 5 speed Cobalts. Fun. Quick. Reliable..great mpg. Chevy has a 5 year 100,000 mile drive train warranty that is incredibly comprehensive, even covering most gaskets.

But I don't think their are many duds out there, and everyone has their own likes and dislikes, which is why I drive a Jeep Wrangler.

burt
10-07-2007, 09:43 AM
Yes. It's karma paying me back for stupidly continuing to buy American cars.

After 20 years in the car business, I just bought a Jeep wrangler, and my "old reliable" is an '89 Olds with 165000 miles on it and NO issues at all, except the paint is wearing because I don't take enough care of it. I could drive that vehicle from Olathe to San Francisco without any issues. Domestics are not evil or unreliable as a rule....any more than imports. And yes I sold Toyota's for 13 of the 20 years and have nothing against them either. I just didn't get brainwashed.

Buehler445
10-07-2007, 06:58 PM
I have a G6 and I love it. It is a pretty small car, but they did an excellent job providing room. I'm 6'3 250 and I fit very comfortably. Gets 25 in town. 30-35 on the Hwy. I have a V6 that has very nice power and the transmission is geared correctly.

I'd think you could get an 05 pretty cheap.

TN_Chief
10-07-2007, 07:34 PM
I just bought an '07 GTI back in the spring. It's awesome. I can't recommend it highly enough.

dtebbe
10-07-2007, 07:42 PM
Hell, that sounds more like karma than anything.

Dodge/Chrysler minivans have been #1 since the day they started the segment in '84...right now, only 3 other makers even produce minivans ...why you might ask???...because most others werent even able to compete.

If I was buying a minivan I would buy a Kia. We had one as a rental last year and it was awesome. I'll never own another Chrysler product, ever.

DT

HonestChieffan
10-07-2007, 08:09 PM
After todays game, relax a bit. Hopefully Herms car and house will be available soon and we know he doesnt run things well so car should be like new

Silock
10-07-2007, 08:10 PM
I just bought an '07 GTI back in the spring. It's awesome. I can't recommend it highly enough.

GTIs are nice cars. The only knock I have against Volkswagen is their penchant for screwy electronics.

Easy 6
10-07-2007, 08:19 PM
If I was buying a minivan I would buy a Kia. We had one as a rental last year and it was awesome. I'll never own another Chrysler product, ever.

DT

That KIA will crumple around you like a beer can on John Matuczacks head, in a crash.

Go right ahead.

dtebbe
10-07-2007, 08:37 PM
That KIA will crumple around you like a beer can on John Matuczacks head, in a crash.

Go right ahead.

5 star crash safety just like the other higher priced models, and way more storage space behind the back seat. 250hp V6 standard, and it runs, even at 10,000 feet, which is where I was driving it last year.

DT

Simplex3
10-07-2007, 08:42 PM
5 star crash safety just like the other higher priced models, and way more storage space behind the back seat. 250hp V6 standard, and it runs, even at 10,000 feet, which is where I was driving it last year.

DT
Once again, stop confusing the American car fanbois with facts. If they say it crushes like a beer can you are to assume that's bad and move on.

Silock
10-07-2007, 08:44 PM
The only bad thing about Kias is the resale value. It doesn't exist.

Easy 6
10-07-2007, 08:45 PM
5 star crash safety just like the other higher priced models, and way more storage space behind the back seat. 250hp V6 standard, and it runs, even at 10,000 feet, which is where I was driving it last year.

DT

How about side impact???

How about side curtain airbags???

How about your resale value???

Easy 6
10-07-2007, 08:46 PM
Once again, stop confusing the American car fanbois with facts. If they say it crushes like a beer can you are to assume that's bad and move on.

LMAO ...i'm not even really sure why i'm laughing, your just such an ass.

dtebbe
10-07-2007, 08:47 PM
Once again, stop confusing the American car fanbois with facts. If they say it crushes like a beer can you are to assume that's bad and move on.

Before I drove one I would have said the same thing, as would my dad (who came on the Colorado trip with us). By the end of the trip all of us loved the van. It also did very good in 6"+ of snow that we drove in most of the time.

What's funny is the rental place gave us a Caravan first, and we couldn't get all our luggage in it. I asked if they had anything bigger, and he said "All we have is that Kia over there, want to check it out?"

One look at the huge storage area behind the back seat and we took it. Got all our luggage behind the back seat, and had plenty of room for 4 adults and 2 kids.

DT

Easy 6
10-07-2007, 09:14 PM
I did some checking on the Sedona (why??? i have no friggin idea) & it is 5 star rated front & side. But i didnt see any mention of side curtain airbags either.

dtebbe
10-07-2007, 09:18 PM
I did some checking on the Sedona (why??? i have no friggin idea) & it is 5 star rated front & side. But i didnt see any mention of side curtain airbags either.

Guess you didn't look at Kia.com:
http://www.kia.com/sedona/sedona-safety.php

DT